#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-06-20

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[00:20:29] <roycroft> finally, heekscad is building
[00:37:13] <roycroft> heekscad built, installed, and tested working
[00:37:16] <roycroft> heekscnc building now
[00:38:29] <elmo40> which version?
[00:46:51] <roycroft> the latest version
[00:47:59] <roycroft> 0.18.0, it would appear
[02:35:58] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:42:39] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[03:11:39] <micges> ahoj
[09:59:58] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MYQB1NdsXA
[10:03:13] <Loetmichel> skunkworks: nette idee
[10:03:25] <Loetmichel> aber nimmt man da nicht besser ein schnellhärtendes PU?
[10:03:30] <Loetmichel> sowas wie sugru
[10:03:47] <Loetmichel> und eine FEINE düse ;-)
[10:08:57] <Jymmm> skunkworks: slick =)
[10:12:43] <Loetmichel> so sorry, its english here...i forgot
[10:13:00] <jdhNC> de nada
[10:13:27] <Loetmichel> so: skunkworks: nice idea. But wouldnt it be better tio use a fast hardening "rubber" like Sugru and a much finder nozzle?
[10:13:30] <Loetmichel> finer
[10:16:28] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: That is not skunkworks' video.
[10:32:02] <mazafaka> Loetmichel: 'und eine FEINE düse' <-- what, all the girls have said you are pretty nice for a white guy? ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ui1tUS6Ho-c
[10:34:52] <Jymmm> heh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YQr-jDIFDE&feature=bf_prev&list=ULvjOMwEOcJbQ
[10:43:50] <mrsun> but hey, it works
[10:43:56] <mrsun> looks like something archivist would slap together :P
[10:45:05] <Jymmm> No, it works =) I like when he basically says screw this and grabs a drill
[10:45:26] <mrsun> archivist or the one in the movie ? :P
[10:45:41] <mrsun> ahh the coordless drill to move the table :P
[10:45:48] <roycroft> the new enclosure will arrive on friday
[10:52:45] <Jymmm> text to gcode http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-QOwYEH1Dw&feature=autoplay&list=ULlU9boknM9X0&playnext=8
[10:59:54] <Jymmm> F-Engrave - text to gcode now with v-carving, TTF, and DXF support http://home.comcast.net/~sskroch/Fengrave/fengrave.html
[11:03:04] <jdhNC> I think it is time to drive to florida.
[11:04:25] <Jymmm> jdhNC: what's in florida?
[11:04:38] <Loetmichel> mazafaka: sorry, cant see the video
[11:05:01] <Loetmichel> "video not aviable in your contry due to copyright issues"
[11:06:34] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: THAT could have been done by me. "the expert says it cant possibly work! ... the fool tries anyway and it works like a charm" ;-)
[11:06:50] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: "That" ?
[11:06:54] <Loetmichel> (the router mill video)
[11:07:19] <Jymmm> with the cross slide vise?
[11:07:24] <Loetmichel> that "machine"
[11:07:28] <Loetmichel> yes
[11:08:13] <Jymmm> He uses emc too =)
[11:10:27] <Jymmm> How much of a pita is it to program a robot? alex_joni?
[11:11:05] <pcw_home> Robby: pour me a drink
[11:11:28] <Jymmm> pcw_home: I mean like a welding typr robot
[11:11:31] <Jymmm> type
[11:12:01] <pcw_home> Robby: weld me up an airframe
[11:12:42] <Jymmm> pcw_home: LIVE video, or it only happened in your halusicanagtion of your imaganiagution =)
[11:13:42] <pcw_home> Sorry just watched forbidden planet
[11:13:50] <Jymmm> lol
[11:16:30] <Jymmm> pcw_home: That's ok, I think it's the only time I've ever seen you being silly in here =)
[11:17:13] <mazafaka> Loetmichel: they're singing a song, good song: http://www.lyrics007.com/Offspring%20Lyrics/Pretty%20Fly%20%28For%20A%20White%20Guy%29%20Lyrics.html
[11:19:12] <mazafaka> Loetmichel: I plan to reinforce the body of my SUV with a pipe, D=48mm, 4 mm walls http://uaz-room.ru/cuzova/UAZ_31512_14_karkas.jpg
[11:37:24] <Jymmm> Anybody have a electric wire cutter? lol
[11:38:36] <Jymmm> $1800 nevermind =)
[11:41:23] <syyl_> friend built one a time ago
[11:41:28] <syyl_> for a one-off job...
[11:42:50] <syyl_> stationary, pretty heavy machine..
[11:44:15] <Jymmm> This is the $1800 USD one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0t38D11uQw
[11:44:24] <Jymmm> wire and tubing
[11:45:36] <Jymmm> I'd love to see the inside of that thing =)
[12:10:09] <Jymmm> WOOHOO! I find an automatic wire cutter, um.... cheap? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-6niamGsu4&feature=related
[12:10:15] <Jymmm> s/find/found/
[12:11:09] <Jymmm> Now to find an old bbq to scavage parts from
[12:27:10] <ehippi> anyone have problem requesting lost password from the linuxcnc.org main site? I don't seem to get it work at all. Not any kind of response coming to my email, and the request page keeps reloading after hitting request button. :/
[12:27:11] <syyl_> jymmm: 1800 bucks?!
[12:27:23] <syyl_> i bet theres nothing magic in there
[12:28:05] <syyl_> feed rollers like in a mig welder, that also are used to calculate the length of the stock to be cut and some kind of shear
[12:28:06] <IchGuckLive> hi someone manged to get a obj into a iges via ubuntu
[12:28:14] <Jymmm> of course not, but they seem to have gotten it right.
[12:39:28] <Jymmm> Does anyone do this type of metal scrollwork by chance? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v486/gravertom/1873rreduced.jpg
[12:39:58] <Jymmm> Maybe on a lathe instead of flat(ish) surface?
[12:40:02] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: this is all by hande
[12:40:21] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Yeah, I know :)
[12:41:09] <IchGuckLive> you can make a path out of the photo
[12:41:14] <Jymmm> I love the contrast in this one (I guess the dark is dyed?) http://www.gundigest.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Engraved_8.jpg
[12:41:15] <IchGuckLive> with gimp
[12:41:48] <syyl_> maybe the steel is blackened and then polished over
[12:42:01] <syyl_> to give that dark engravings
[12:42:17] <Jymmm> no idea, thats why I asked if anyone does this kind of work
[12:42:52] <syyl_> unlikely ;)
[12:44:27] <roycroft> i did a little similar stuff in a jewelerymaking class years ago
[12:44:31] <roycroft> not on steel, though
[12:44:37] <syyl_> i shut up :D
[12:44:37] <roycroft> but on brass and silver
[12:44:51] <Jymmm> roycroft: by hand?
[12:44:51] <roycroft> and yes, we used bluing on the engraving and then polished it off
[12:45:01] <roycroft> yes, by hand
[12:45:09] <Jymmm> blueing on brass?
[12:45:18] <roycroft> brass equivalent
[12:45:18] <syyl_> with the classic handengraver?
[12:45:24] <roycroft> i don't recall what the stuff is
[12:45:27] <syyl_> i have the tools, but never mastered it ;)
[12:45:30] <roycroft> it's been a long time :)
[12:45:43] <Jymmm> roycroft: that was my next question, what dye for brass
[12:45:48] <roycroft> iirc we used three-face engraving bits
[12:46:00] <roycroft> i believe they were hss, not carbide
[12:46:05] <roycroft> which for non-ferrous metals is fine
[12:46:19] <syyl_> our moldmakers use hss too, on steelmolds
[12:46:38] <Jymmm> syyl_: what kind of molds? For mold injection?
[12:46:43] <syyl_> jep
[12:46:47] <roycroft> oh, liver of sulphur
[12:46:53] <roycroft> that's what we used
[12:46:57] <syyl_> some fine details are finished by hand
[12:47:05] <syyl_> sharp corners etc
[12:47:06] <Jymmm> syyl_: You work with glass impregnated nylon by chance?
[12:47:15] <syyl_> yes
[12:47:20] <syyl_> PA6GF30
[12:47:31] <Jymmm> syyl_: is it the most flat/rigid material?
[12:47:44] <Jymmm> thermally stablest?
[12:47:47] <syyl_> we get it as sheet material 10 to 100mm
[12:47:51] <syyl_> it pretty tough
[12:47:59] <Jymmm> syyl_: toughest?
[12:48:05] <syyl_> guns are made of it...
[12:48:18] <syyl_> there are tougher materials of course
[12:48:23] <Jymmm> or is there something else to have stable flat surface part?
[12:48:39] <syyl_> the pa6gf30 sheet is anything but flat
[12:48:44] <syyl_> you have to machine it over
[12:49:11] <Jymmm> syyl_: not in pellets?
[12:49:29] <syyl_> uh
[12:49:34] <syyl_> thats out of my knowledge
[12:50:02] <syyl_> i believe we do some injection molding with glas filled material
[12:50:08] <Jymmm> syyl_: I'm not speaking of fabrication sheet stock as much have mold injecting
[12:50:28] <syyl_> damn ;)
[12:50:48] <syyl_> my world is more the maching part...
[12:51:57] <roycroft> i'm not a jewelery maker, but i thought the class would be interesting to learn how to do hand and decorative work with metals
[12:52:08] <roycroft> the skills i learned there certainly complemented my machining skills
[12:52:09] <Jymmm> syyl_: (Not now) but I have an idea on something I would need to have mold injected. The issue is I can't even begin without $10,000 USD molds, and I have nfc to designing it structurally for mold injection.
[12:52:26] <syyl_> but i know, that those glas filled materials are pretty hard on the injection mold
[12:52:32] <syyl_> pretty abrasive
[12:53:12] <Jymmm> syyl_: yeah, I bet. thats where I need to hit up someone who designs molds and potential materials to use.
[12:53:40] <syyl_> i know somebody that had build some injection molds by trynerror :D
[12:54:02] <syyl_> pretty basic, all made from aluminum, nothing ground, etc
[12:54:11] <syyl_> and he did all the maching by his own
[12:54:14] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: generating toolpath of the gun
[12:54:20] <Jymmm> syyl_: that's a big ass billet =)
[12:54:28] <syyl_> for prototyping that worked fine
[12:54:42] <Jymmm> syyl_: where you at?
[12:54:45] <syyl_> he got a few thound shot from one mold
[12:54:46] <syyl_> germany
[12:54:48] <syyl_> :P
[12:54:52] <Jymmm> you suck! lol
[12:55:01] <syyl_> thank you, sir ;)
[12:55:28] <Jymmm> syyl_: =)
[12:55:47] <Jymmm> syyl_: I might hit you up down the road
[12:56:35] <Jymmm> syyl_: *** THIS IS YOUR ONLY WARNING *** ;)
[12:56:44] <syyl_> going to germany? :D
[12:57:30] <Jymmm> syyl_: doubtful, but anything is possible. Hit you up for info, maybe questions you can ask mold designers, etc.
[12:57:59] <syyl_> go for it, maybe i can help you
[12:58:02] <syyl_> or somebody i know :D
[12:58:38] <Tom_itx> Jymmm,
[12:58:42] <Jymmm> syyl_: thanks. but this won't be for a while. Working on current project =)
[12:58:47] <Tom_itx> http://www.users.qwest.net/~kmaxon/page/side/mold_mach_137.htm
[12:59:01] <syyl_> hr
[12:59:05] <syyl_> that guy is awesome
[12:59:15] <syyl_> he was around on madmodder for some time
[12:59:50] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: http://mechmo.de/jymm.jpg
[13:00:58] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: thanks, but I would need to have this done on a REAL mold injection machine due to quantity involved. Else I'd problem think about a 3D printer, which may not be a bad idea for a prototype.
[13:01:26] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: cool =)
[13:01:44] <Tom_itx> contact wescon, they did injection molding for mary kay and other medical supplies
[13:01:57] <Jymmm> wescon?
[13:02:00] <IchGuckLive> with better photo better resault Jymmm
[13:02:10] <Tom_itx> they may have sold that branch off because it's not listed on their site now
[13:02:16] <Jymmm> ah
[13:02:33] <Tom_itx> http://www.wesconproducts.com/
[13:02:52] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Well, this is a ways down the road project. Still need to come up with $50,000 USD startup capital =)
[13:03:12] <syyl_> how many down the road projects do you have? ;)
[13:03:28] <Tom_itx> i went thru both of their plants a few years back
[13:03:33] <syyl_> or is it one big thing to take over the world..?
[13:04:05] <Tom_itx> all their stuff they still have is in one and all the other injection molded stuff ie, syringes cosmetic cases etc was on the other side
[13:04:21] <Jymmm> syyl_: Not many, but each take a lot of brain power to go from concept to shelf =)
[13:04:30] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ah, ok.
[13:04:59] <Jymmm> syyl_: and I'm all out of brains! Mmmmm BRAINS!!!!
[13:05:20] <Jymmm> Mmmm MORE BRAINS!!!! Send more paramedics!!!!
[13:05:46] <Tom_itx> it's in the same industrial area as that other dude here on S west st with the big mill you've seen on youtube
[13:05:49] <Tom_itx> i forget his name
[13:05:54] <Jymmm> (bonus points if anyone recognizes that?)
[13:06:04] <Jymmm> Stewart?
[13:06:07] <Tom_itx> yes
[13:06:34] <Jymmm> With the frickin 6 FOOT angle iron =)
[13:06:42] <Jymmm> angle plate
[13:07:20] <Tom_itx> ?
[13:07:54] <Jymmm> You never saw it? I think it was SWPadnos that was standing next to it and it was taller than him!
[13:08:09] <Tom_itx> i don't remember
[13:08:37] <Tom_itx> KimK was working over there for a while, may still be there
[13:09:43] <Jymmm> ah, ok
[13:09:52] <Tom_itx> bak later
[13:10:38] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: what was that MASSIVELY huge mill or whatever you want to call it with the taller than you angle plate?
[13:11:45] <Jymmm> maybe jepler or cradek might know. I know JMK would, but he seems to be MIA for a while.
[13:13:47] <skunkworks> http://willepadnos.net/jmkasunich/g-and-l-table-1853.jpg
[13:14:23] <syyl_> ah, watchmakers tooling ;)
[13:14:32] <Jymmm> THATS IT! thank you skunkworks
[13:15:36] <Jymmm> skunkworks: were you there?
[13:16:19] <skunkworks> not at that time..
[13:16:32] <Jymmm> skunkworks: whos the guy in the levis?
[13:16:37] <skunkworks> stuart
[13:17:06] <Jymmm> ah, ok. And I know who the ugly sucker is =)
[13:17:18] <skunkworks> http://jmkasunich.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/blosxom/shoptask/wichita-trip-02-20-08.html
[13:17:33] <skunkworks> it was when they where working on dual loop pid
[13:17:47] <Jymmm> ah
[13:18:14] <Jymmm> man that's just massive http://willepadnos.net/jmkasunich/g-and-l-yaxis-1856.jpg
[13:18:39] <Jymmm> skunkworks: makes yours look like a tinker toy =)
[13:18:45] <skunkworks> yes :)
[13:18:51] <syyl_> uh
[13:19:18] <Jymmm> syyl_: Jes?
[13:19:31] <syyl_> nice pictures ;)
[13:20:03] <DJ9DJ> uh :)
[13:20:17] <syyl_> i love those massive 5 axis cincinatti
[13:20:34] <Jymmm> 2008?! I've know most of you bastards that long?! Eeeeesh
[13:20:35] <DJ9DJ> when can i come around and pickup that stuff? ;)
[13:20:48] <Jymmm> DJ9DJ: the next workshop?
[13:21:31] <DJ9DJ> :)
[13:21:49] <DJ9DJ> i think i dont have enough room for all the big machines ;)
[13:21:51] <syyl_> just curious, is that video also taken there?
[13:21:51] <syyl_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35tHYaDUmZQ&feature=channel&list=UL
[13:21:59] <Jymmm> DJ9DJ: Bit of warning... FOB Witchita KS, aka BFE!
[13:22:30] <skunkworks> syyl_: yes
[13:23:01] <skunkworks> syyl_: I like to que up the video then run the slider back and forth...
[13:23:29] <skunkworks> ;)
[13:23:31] <syyl_> :D
[13:23:39] <syyl_> its just...
[13:23:46] <DJ9DJ> hrhr
[13:23:50] <syyl_> most 5 axis machines are a bit on the flimsy side
[13:23:52] <syyl_> but that thing :D
[13:24:29] <skunkworks> stuart did a ton of work on the kins for that machine to take into account the unsquare/flat/linearness of the machine.
[13:24:52] <syyl_> he calculated the machine straight?
[13:24:59] <skunkworks> yes
[13:25:00] <Jymmm> skunkworks: have you heard form jmk lately?
[13:25:07] <syyl_> cool
[13:25:11] <Jymmm> I kinda miss the bastard
[13:25:12] <syyl_> no need for scraping ;)
[13:25:15] <skunkworks> Jymmm: he was on the mailing list in the last few days.
[13:25:22] <skunkworks> so he is still around :)
[13:25:32] <skunkworks> *weeks
[13:25:35] <Jymmm> skunkworks: ah, cool. Tell him I said HI =)
[13:26:02] <Jymmm> screw it, I'll email him =)
[13:26:09] <skunkworks> heh
[13:34:03] <Jymmm> Ok, email sent with direct link to web irc =)
[13:36:03] <Jymmm> Oh gawd, "How to make a PB&J" all over again.
[13:55:36] <Jymmm> This Matian PB&J is funny http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm7iQ6zk-8o&feature=related
[14:25:22] <Jymmm> Breadboarding wire cutter/stripper machine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fftZq_deIls&feature=related
[15:04:08] <mrsun> http://imagebin.org/217261 http://imagebin.org/217262 base plate for my countershaft for the lathe in the making =)
[15:26:57] <syyl_> looking good :)
[15:27:02] <syyl_> you have to paint it green
[15:31:04] <mrsun> why green?
[15:31:05] <mrsun> :/
[15:31:34] <mrsun> its just a casting pattern :P
[15:33:54] <alex_joni> green is the new gray
[15:34:19] <syyl_> models that are for aluminum casting have green as color code
[15:34:20] <syyl_> :D
[15:46:03] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[15:46:11] <mrsun> syyl_, wth :P
[15:46:17] <mrsun> i paint with whatever i have available :P
[15:46:23] <syyl_> ;)
[15:55:08] <mrsun> the big one for the countershaft will be my biggest casting to date =))
[15:55:13] <mrsun> need to make the pattern tho
[15:55:21] <mrsun> pattern making takes time :/
[16:00:56] <mrsun> have not gotten the hang of stuff like sinking defects etc yet tho :/
[16:02:01] <syyl_> to much material in one spott, to cold, sprue to small...
[16:02:42] <mrsun> yeah, but over like 20mm or so you start to get sinking effect on almost everything dont you ? :)
[16:02:54] <syyl_> make it thinner :)
[16:02:56] <syyl_> and rib it
[16:03:37] <mrsun> this base plate casting will have about 40mm high parts (the bracket thingies for the actual countershaft) 16mm thick :/
[16:03:55] <syyl_> you will need a very massive sprue
[16:04:14] <syyl_> to feed the mold with liquid aluminium, when it starts to cool and shrink
[16:04:31] <mrsun> i think i will need to have a raiser at each side of the part
[16:04:35] <mrsun> where its thick ? :)
[16:04:39] <syyl_> and put feeds on positions where shrinkage is likely to occure
[16:04:45] <syyl_> trynerror ;)
[16:04:53] <syyl_> and experience
[16:05:03] <syyl_> thats what i was told by a mold/casting guy
[16:05:04] <mrsun> feed in on one side where it might shrink and have a riser on the other side? :)
[16:05:16] <syyl_> yeah
[16:06:08] <syyl_> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2011-09-25_16-03-10_353.jpg
[16:06:13] <mrsun> yeah ive got far to little experience with casting so far =)
[16:06:24] <syyl_> that two massive parts in the upper half
[16:06:41] <syyl_> they have no shrinkage errors at all
[16:06:54] <syyl_> but i had a sprue almost 40mm in diameter
[16:07:24] <mrsun> nice castings =)
[16:08:25] <syyl_> thanks :)
[16:10:13] <syyl_> but we make a lot of messups too :D
[16:10:13] <syyl_> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2011-11-20_13-22-22_706.jpg
[16:10:45] <syyl_> on the right one, the sprue was to small and in the wrong position
[16:22:11] <JT-Shop> syyl_: cast aluminum?
[16:22:15] <syyl_> jep
[16:22:42] <syyl_> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/P6111876.jpg
[16:22:43] <syyl_> ;)
[16:24:10] <mrsun> casting is nice
[16:24:20] <syyl_> its fun, yeah
[16:24:24] <mrsun> quite complex stuff can be made by simple means ... (a saw, some glue and sandpaper) =)
[16:25:35] <mrsun> done some messups also, but i get hollowness inside the castings :P
[16:25:52] <mrsun> looks fine on the outside, then there is a small small hole, and you look inside and its totaly hollow :P
[16:38:32] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: NAP TIME
[16:39:43] <JT-Shop> guess again
[16:40:06] <Jymmm> Got Parachute pants? HAMMER TIME!
[16:42:14] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Lathe O' Clock?
[16:58:58] <mrsun> a real machinist doesnt just tell the clock, he makes the clock! :P
[17:01:14] <archivist> I have made more clocks with a soldering iron than with a machine tool
[17:01:38] <Jymmm> archivist: dumb question, but is the electronic clocks or braizing?
[17:02:45] <archivist> electronic http://www.collection.archivist.info/thumbs/archive/DJCPD/PD/2003/2003_01_23_Electronics_clock/P1080616_T.JPG
[17:03:01] <Jymmm> ah =)
[17:04:45] <Jymmm> pretentious bastards... If I'm an existing customer, I can speak to someone, if not we'll call you back.
[18:35:47] <taiden> afternoon gents
[18:38:57] <tjb1> hello
[18:40:55] <tjb1> http://cdn.macrumors.com/article-new/2012/06/NewImage24.png
[18:40:57] <tjb1> thats impressive
[18:45:21] <andypugh> Multiple Thunderbolt displays?
[18:46:36] <tjb1> That the laptop is driving 3 externals
[18:46:44] <tjb1> 2 thunderbolt 1 hdmi
[18:47:24] <andypugh> "This makes the Retina MacBook Pro the first Mac -- other than a tower-based workstation like the Mac Pro -- to natively power four displays simultaneously."
[18:47:58] <andypugh> Though it is worth noting that they could run 8 monitors back in 1989 if you had enough NuBus slots.
[18:48:13] <tjb1> Of what resolution?
[18:48:18] <tjb1> Those are all hd monitors
[18:48:30] <andypugh> Whatever they had back then.
[18:49:17] <tjb1> Wish I could give Apple my mbp back and get the new one
[18:49:19] <andypugh> What I am saying is that with the Olde Worlde Macs you could run as many monitors as you could install video cards for.
[18:49:55] <andypugh> The difference here is that the integrated graphics is cheerfully running 4 monitors.
[18:50:29] <tjb1> You ever price a damn ACD?
[18:51:29] <andypugh> I am talking way before ADC
[18:51:50] <andypugh> (I had an ADC monitor on my Cube)
[18:54:12] <andypugh> Night all
[19:27:38] <tjb1> my free computer that "didnt" work
[19:27:43] <tjb1> loaded ubuntu just fine :)
[21:03:34] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/Tprfb
[21:04:19] <tjb1> nice dewalt
[21:04:33] <tjb1> good luck getting that security tag off the power cord
[21:06:41] <r00t4rd3d> security tag? you meant the warning label?
[21:06:47] <r00t4rd3d> mean*
[21:07:41] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, the big machine was a Giddings & Lewis (G&L)
[21:07:53] <tjb1> No, the 3" long thing that slides up and down the cord
[21:07:54] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Ah
[21:08:09] <SWPadnos> I think it used to be a boring machine - more or less 2D drilling, rather than full-on 3D machining
[21:08:32] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: skunkworks was kind enough to link to a pic off yur website
[21:08:40] <SWPadnos> mine? huh
[21:08:50] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: yep, yours
[21:08:50] <SWPadnos> I would have directed you straight to MPM
[21:08:54] <SWPadnos> ok
[21:09:09] <SWPadnos> a video or a picture?
[21:09:28] <Jymmm> pic
[21:09:41] <SWPadnos> huh. I don't remember putting them there.
[21:09:46] <SWPadnos> oh well :)
[21:10:22] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: And some ugly suckeron the left got in the way too http://willepadnos.net/jmkasunich/g-and-l-table-1853.jpg
[21:10:36] <SWPadnos> I'm sure ...
[21:10:36] <Jymmm> http://willepadnos.net/jmkasunich/g-and-l-yaxis-1856.jpg
[21:11:09] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: =)
[21:11:18] <tjb1> You gonna braid that? :P
[21:11:22] <SWPadnos> hey, the second one wasn't me :)
[21:11:28] <SWPadnos> nope, got a pony tail now
[21:11:29] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: How was your day dear?
[21:11:37] <SWPadnos> fine, where's dinner?
[21:11:51] <tjb1> Wasnt Jymmm the one with long hair in the first picture
[21:12:00] <SWPadnos> no, that was me
[21:12:06] <SWPadnos> Jymmm hasn't been there
[21:12:07] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: that aluminum divided tray in the freezer with "Banquete" on it
[21:12:08] <SWPadnos> that I know of
[21:12:14] <SWPadnos> yummm
[21:12:41] <SWPadnos> oh crap. time to start the laundry.
[21:12:42] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Yeah, I know how you're not too fond of food and all
[21:14:41] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Its 2200, shouldn't it be time to FINISH the laundry?
[21:16:52] <Jymmm> though sometimes I've been known to start at 0100 =)
[21:17:31] <tjb1> oh yeah
[21:18:21] <Jymmm> especially when it's been 104F all day
[21:18:21] <SWPadnos> I forgot to start it earlier in the evening, so it's time to start it now
[21:18:28] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: =)
[21:18:33] <SWPadnos> it feels like 104 here too - got into the 90s today
[21:19:06] <Jymmm> high humidity?
[21:22:59] <SWPadnos> yes, at least near where I'm sweating
[21:23:07] <Jymmm> lol
[21:23:28] <Jymmm> did you ever get that window AC installed LAST YEAR?
[21:26:51] <SWPadnos> Sharon put it in while I was in Manila :)
[21:26:56] <SWPadnos> I guess it got hot here last week
[21:26:57] <Jymmm> lol
[21:36:42] <Jymmm> alex_joni: This is safety certified for use in EU, right??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abt8r-ePyBo&feature=player_detailpage#t=95s
[21:52:55] <pcw_home> Who needs both hands anyway...
[22:08:45] <Tom_itx> pfft
[22:10:38] <Tom_itx> Jymmm only better thing would be a foot actuated switch
[22:15:01] <pcw_home> Yeah why not get both hands
[22:41:09] <Tom_itx> :)
[23:08:47] <Jymmm> I remember using a hydraulic guillotine paper cutter. The blade itself was 1.5" THICK. Scared the shit out of me every time I had to reach underneith the blade. Safety measures be damned, frickin bolt breaks the sheer weight alone is even to chop off a hand or two or three!
[23:16:21] <uw> bet it cut pretty good though
[23:17:25] <jdhNC> I used one working at Jack Daniels that would trim about 1000 sheets at a time
[23:18:26] <uw> i'd be playing on that all day
[23:18:30] <uw> phone books
[23:20:01] <uw> anybody on line who uses a sherline mill?
[23:20:28] <jdhNC> we used it to cut the edges off of fan fold paper after they came off the printer a box at a time.
[23:20:29] <uw> looking for collet recomendations
[23:22:58] <Jymmm> metal
[23:27:17] <Tom_itx> uw i do
[23:27:38] <Tom_itx> lots of 3/8" and 1/8" collets
[23:27:53] <Tom_itx> i use alot of small carbide endmills with 1/8" shank
[23:28:15] <Tom_itx> and there are alot of other endmills available in 3/8" shank
[23:28:24] <Tom_itx> make sure you get a drill chuck too
[23:29:48] <Tom_itx> i made a surface plate for mine as well, drilled and tapped every inch
[23:29:49] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/boards/USBTiny_Mkii/Boxes/milling1.jpg
[23:31:34] <uw> hi Tom_itx i have seen this picture before. excellent btw
[23:31:47] <Tom_itx> it's alot different now
[23:32:06] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: How much of a PITA is it to tilt the stock on that?
[23:32:19] <uw> im wondering if i should deal with the ww collets or just use the spindle taper, as they make 3 sizes for that oto
[23:32:22] <Tom_itx> Jymmm do what?
[23:32:39] <Tom_itx> i have both but use the collets the most
[23:32:49] <Tom_itx> i seldom if ever use the collet inserts
[23:33:01] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: the head stock on your mill, looks like it can be tilted 45deg left, right
[23:33:01] <uw> thats what i was going with too
[23:33:16] <Tom_itx> Jymmm oh, it can but i never move it
[23:33:21] <Jymmm> ah
[23:33:32] <uw> just use the morse #1 collets. they are cheaper and will probably solve my needs fine
[23:33:35] <Tom_itx> i got it because it has more Y axis than the stock one
[23:33:48] <Jymmm> gotcha
[23:33:52] <Tom_itx> uw, i use the machined collets
[23:33:57] <uw> absoluely, thats what i hate about mine, the terrible y axis
[23:34:02] <Tom_itx> :)
[23:34:07] <Tom_itx> i thought ahead
[23:34:16] <uw> did you make them yourself?
[23:34:23] <Tom_itx> no
[23:34:31] <Tom_itx> they're not cheap either
[23:34:44] <uw> yea i was looking at a set of 3 for $45
[23:34:45] <Tom_itx> but that's what i would do
[23:34:51] <Tom_itx> especially if you plan to cnc it
[23:35:04] <uw> yes it is a cnc machine from the factory
[23:35:04] <Tom_itx> that way you can preset your tools and just screw them on and go
[23:35:20] <Tom_itx> otherwise it's a pita
[23:35:39] <uw> i was looking a aparently they make a mini ER collet set for this too
[23:35:48] <Tom_itx> those 2 sizes is about all i use though
[23:35:53] <Tom_itx> really?
[23:36:02] <Tom_itx> i have some collets for mine but never use them
[23:36:07] <Tom_itx> i dunno what they are
[23:36:33] <Tom_itx> and a slitting saw attachment, fly cutter, insert cutter etc
[23:36:44] <uw> i'm surprised you can get a 3/8" collet in there. thats pretty cool really, is that a sherline collet?
[23:36:50] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:37:05] <Tom_itx> they make about 4 sized i think
[23:37:16] <Tom_itx> sizes*
[23:37:30] <Tom_itx> i personally would get several of each of those
[23:37:40] <Tom_itx> at least the 3/8 and 1/8
[23:37:46] <Tom_itx> that's about all i use like i said
[23:38:01] <uw> just curious, why several? do they go bad or soemthing lol
[23:38:10] <uw> sorry for the bombardment of questions here
[23:38:18] <Tom_itx> no, you can set multiple tools and leave them in the holder that way
[23:38:26] <Tom_itx> enter them in your tool table and you're good to go
[23:38:36] <uw> ohh i see to save your zaxis
[23:38:39] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:38:59] <Jymmm> Say zaxis fast three times =)
[23:38:59] <Tom_itx> otherwise you're running your gcode a tool at a time
[23:39:13] <Jymmm> "save your zaxis" "save your zaxis" "save your zaxis"
[23:39:14] <Tom_itx> yaxis is harder
[23:39:35] <uw> i see you have cherry switches too, are they for homing or just limits
[23:39:36] <Tom_itx> y ax us?
[23:39:42] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Which thermistors are these? http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/PT100_b.jpg
[23:39:49] <uw> zee axis, it is not homed!
[23:39:51] <Tom_itx> PT100
[23:39:58] <Jymmm> 100C ?
[23:39:59] <Tom_itx> from umm element 14
[23:40:03] <Tom_itx> i think so
[23:40:06] <Tom_itx> no
[23:40:08] <Tom_itx> 500c
[23:40:15] <Tom_itx> or more
[23:40:18] <Tom_itx> hell i forget
[23:40:22] <Tom_itx> there's a pdf on my site
[23:40:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: have any more heater boards?
[23:41:23] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/DM-508_Temp_Sensor.pdf
[23:41:29] <Tom_itx> Jymmm i dunno, i might
[23:41:49] <Tom_itx> -50c - +550C
[23:41:49] <Jymmm> holy shit –50oC to +550oC
[23:42:08] <Tom_itx> its' not very big
[23:42:30] <Jymmm> 1022F works for me =)
[23:42:32] <uw> Tom_itx, do you wish you could get higher spindle speeds too?
[23:42:50] <Tom_itx> uw, yes i recently made a pulley for mine
[23:43:05] <Tom_itx> you can order a high speed pulley but i'm a tight ass
[23:43:18] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I need to make a heat tunnel, but I'm using a metal trashcan =)
[23:43:30] <Tom_itx> made one then went to the local sewing machine shop and got a different belt
[23:43:53] <Tom_itx> Jymmm i soldered that with silver solder
[23:44:01] <Tom_itx> and not much of it is exposed to the heat
[23:44:29] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/sensor2.jpg
[23:44:46] <Tom_itx> and used that nylon braided insulated stuff they use inside motors and high temp stuff
[23:44:50] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'll get get that hot unless something fubars, no worries. Plus I'm using air instead of direct element
[23:44:55] <Tom_itx> nylon or whatever it is
[23:45:11] <Tom_itx> just to keep the heat off the leads
[23:45:19] <Jymmm> fiberglass coated nickle plated wire
[23:45:51] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/control_mounted1.jpg
[23:45:54] <uw> ouch these end mill holders are $30 each, not like the collets at $45 for 3
[23:45:55] <Jymmm> (You should see the sample I have of "high temp" wire, rated for 5000F)
[23:46:03] <Tom_itx> i got that white tubing from the local motor rewind shop
[23:46:21] <Jymmm> ah
[23:46:45] <Jymmm> this stuff is $9/ft
[23:46:46] <Tom_itx> it doesn't get hot anyway
[23:46:56] <Tom_itx> i can keep my hand on the top of it the whole time
[23:47:04] <Tom_itx> i insulated it
[23:47:16] <Tom_itx> then wrapped it with a layer of tin
[23:47:21] <Jymmm> Yeah, I dont need the extreme heat levels I needed a few weeks ago.
[23:47:22] <Tom_itx> as you can see in that last pic
[23:47:42] <Tom_itx> helps it heat more uniform too i think
[23:48:28] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I've since gone a different route, but still need a lower temp "heat source" and controller
[23:48:39] <Tom_itx> if you wanna get some of those boards done i can get you the eagle or gerber files
[23:49:01] <Tom_itx> nothing special about it really except i coated mine with solder
[23:49:29] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'm not there yet, and really not setup to mill pcb right now.
[23:49:48] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/toaster_oven/triac2_rev2.jpg
[23:49:52] <Tom_itx> that's the bottom side
[23:49:53] <Jymmm> I might get one of those temp controllers I linked a ways back
[23:50:01] <uw> Tom_itx, also you mentioned a drill chuck. thats what mine came with, but just curious what do you use yours for?
[23:50:04] <Tom_itx> opto triac
[23:50:22] <Tom_itx> uw, all sorts of stuff
[23:51:12] <uw> thats what i'm using now except i dont have the ke
[23:51:12] <uw> y
[23:51:37] <Tom_itx> time to sleep here.
[23:51:58] <uw> alright farewell Tom_itx