#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-06-09

[00:14:05] <Jymmm> archivist: Yeah, it didn't sound too pretty at all. Just I know you're into miniture type works, so I thought I'd pass it along is all =)
[02:03:21] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:52:14] <Jymmm> hola
[04:01:16] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[04:02:29] <micges> hi
[05:49:06] <andypugh> I meant to log out of this
[05:49:26] <andypugh> Anyway, thanks mozmck, that is the thing I am going to try now.
[06:15:39] <Loetmichel> sooo, first segment soldered, 4 milled, 12 to go... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13296 http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13299
[06:16:11] <Loetmichel> ... *twinkle* bah, i have overdone it again... thats WAY to bright ;-)
[06:28:17] <andypugh> Hmm, so, Gparted thinks that the virtual disk is one 200GB partition. Windows XP (installed in it) thinks it is 40GB. I don't see a way round this.
[06:29:59] <archivist> Loetmichel, add some opalescent sheet behind the red to scatter the light a bit
[06:31:22] <Loetmichel> archivist: thete is
[06:31:24] <Loetmichel> tehre
[06:31:26] <Loetmichel> grr
[06:31:28] <Loetmichel> there
[06:32:07] <Loetmichel> a sheet of sandwich paper ;-)
[06:32:49] <archivist> add sheets till ok :)
[06:33:41] <archivist> actually some distance would help led to front
[06:34:04] <Loetmichel> i will try to fill the segment pockets with opaque melting glue
[06:34:23] <Loetmichel> and maybe add a second 3mm layer of grey frame
[06:36:05] <Loetmichel> btw: thats roughly 300mm of digit height
[06:38:44] <Loetmichel> wie gesagt: wenn die da ein bissi nachgedacht haben glaube ich NICHT daß da mehr als die karosserei zerfetzt wird
[06:38:55] <Loetmichel> der rahmen wird durchfedern und dann halten
[06:39:05] <Loetmichel> sorry, wrong window
[06:45:12] <andypugh> Any ideas chaps? The partition is 200GB but the C drive is 30GB. Gparted gave the same info, this is a Windows tool that I am trying too. http://imagebin.org/215748
[06:49:06] <archivist> Im to worried about my data to ever play with partition tools on live data
[07:00:15] <micges> andypugh: what is the problem?
[07:48:14] <r00t4rd3d> whats this tool ?
[07:48:15] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/jNsTe.jpg
[08:18:30] <andypugh> micges: The problem is that XP only thinks it has 40GB, but everything else thinks it is a 200GB partition.
[08:19:09] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: How big is it?
[08:32:46] <archivist> almost looks like a crude self adjustable spanner
[08:34:14] <archivist> similar principle behind ebay item 120928200314
[08:34:54] <Jymmm> band strap wrench of some sort maybe?
[08:35:26] <andypugh> micges: mozmck: Got it, the trick was to first shring the partition to the apparent, then increase it back up…
[08:36:31] <archivist> I dont have one of those in my collection yet :)
[08:37:14] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, close up of the label?
[08:37:51] <mozmck> andypugh: that's interesting. I resized my virtual disk first with vmware, and windows still thought it was the old size.
[08:38:34] <ScribbleJ> mozmck, no, it's that you resised the disk but not the file system.
[08:38:41] <andypugh> Yes, I had the same problem, but in my case gparted thought it was already the new size
[08:38:46] <mozmck> then when I booted from the gparted ISO it saw a larger disk with the smaller partition.
[08:38:56] <ScribbleJ> You can change the size of the partition however you like and that's not going to change the size of the filesystem one bit.
[08:39:31] <andypugh> I had a semi-succesful attempt with diskpart in XP from a clone of the original disk..
[08:39:43] <mozmck> ScribbleJ: I'm aware of that. I resized the *disk*, and then resized the partition using gparted and it worked perfectly.
[08:40:39] <ScribbleJ> OK, you say you're aware of it but I just want to be clear... you can resize the 'disk' and the 'partition' and you still need to resize the 'filesystem' too.
[08:41:03] <ScribbleJ> resizing the partition is not the last step and if it was the last thing you did, it will produce exactly the symptom you describe.
[08:41:10] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, and the place to search is http://www.datamp.org/
[08:41:19] <andypugh> It was the filesystem I was struggling with. XP (under Vmware 4) is _meant_ to automatically increase the filesystem.
[08:41:32] <ScribbleJ> I've never heard that.
[08:41:45] <ScribbleJ> I'm skeptical, but I'll admit I'm no Windows user.
[08:42:18] <andypugh> I try not to be.
[08:42:21] <mozmck> Ok, well I'm not sure what you mean there. How do you resize the file system? I've done it just like I said about a dozen times with dual boot systems, and twice with a VM.
[08:43:07] <ScribbleJ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS#Resizing <- Andy, added in 7 but not really useable.
[08:43:12] <mozmck> I just resize the partition and XP,Vista, Win7 runs a scandisk on the first boot and gives me the new size.
[08:43:53] <ScribbleJ> mozmck, this is how I've resized ntfs in the past, but you have many options. I think gparted even has an option to do it.
[08:43:57] <ScribbleJ> Since you mentioned that earlier
[08:43:59] <mozmck> This is all outside of windows completely. I boot from a Linux ISO or CD that has Gparted on it.
[08:44:00] <ScribbleJ> http://linux.die.net/man/8/ntfsresize
[08:44:49] <andypugh> To be honest, I have done it now. I don't intend to do it again, and so have completely lost interest in the technicalities :-)
[08:45:05] <mozmck> I guess Gparted does that all automatically when resizing a partition. Glad you got it working andy.
[08:46:33] <Jymmm> andypugh: what did you use initially to resize the partition?
[08:47:01] <SWPadnos> a hammer and chisel
[08:47:13] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: HEY!!!!! LTNS
[08:47:16] <andypugh> I don't know. I think the _partition_ automatically increased when VMWare increased the disk size.
[08:47:17] <SWPadnos> hi
[08:47:39] <mozmck> hi SWPadnos!
[08:47:44] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: How the hell are ya?
[08:47:45] <SWPadnos> hi mozmck
[08:48:03] <SWPadnos> jymmm, OK, a little tired. been working late to prepare for a trip tomorrow
[08:48:21] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Haven't seen you in weeks!
[08:48:26] <SWPadnos> heh
[08:48:45] <SWPadnos> and the funny thing is, I've actually been at home (at least in my home town) the whole time
[08:48:56] <SWPadnos> haven't gone anywhere for at least 4 or 5 weeks!
[08:49:04] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: I emailed you some time ago, never got a reply back (bastard)
[08:49:23] <SWPadnos> well, I guess I'm a bastardthen
[08:49:28] <Jymmm> lol
[08:49:56] <SWPadnos> I miss a lot of emails - I get a ton on my "personal" account, but I'm at a client site for 8-15 hours a day
[08:50:11] <SWPadnos> so they're off the bottom by the time I get home (or they don't appear in the web interface)
[08:51:02] <Jymmm> Note: Email SWPadnos every 30m till he replies as it's scrolled off screen
[08:51:03] <SWPadnos> about the Jetway NF99?
[08:51:15] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: That was one =)
[08:51:17] <SWPadnos> April 23
[08:51:19] <SWPadnos> ok
[08:51:36] <SWPadnos> I actually saw that one, but didn't respond ;)
[08:52:27] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: 8-19V DC DIRECT only 0.75" tall http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-DN2800MT-Mini-ITX-Motherboard
[08:52:29] <SWPadnos> for my (camera) purposes, it doesn't work. It only has 3 USB2 ports on MB headers
[08:52:48] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: headers?
[08:53:09] <SWPadnos> yeah, the 2xxx series looks interesting. I haven't bought any yet, but I have checked out the specs
[08:53:19] <SWPadnos> yeah, like for front panel connectors
[08:53:35] <SWPadnos> the 2x5 or 1x5 pin headers on the MB
[08:54:00] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: The jetway has 6 internal, 3 front
[08:54:20] <SWPadnos> I found some SATA DOM (Disk On Module) that look good, 32GB is $85 or so
[08:54:35] <SWPadnos> yeah, I need 4 "front" ports
[08:54:37] <SWPadnos> or more
[08:54:41] <Jymmm> ah
[08:54:49] <SWPadnos> since I have custom cables to connect to the cameras
[08:55:03] <SWPadnos> uh-oh - my wife says the food's getting cold. bbiab (maybe :) )
[08:55:11] <mrsun> would casted alu parts stand up to the forces bending sheet metal ... hmm =)
[08:55:23] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Well if you have custom cables, shouldn't be an issue. enjoy the grub!
[08:55:56] <norias> mrsun: think it depends alot on the design and directions of the forces
[08:56:06] <Jymmm> andypugh: Here's another mobo for ya... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153212
[08:56:08] <Tom_itx> mrsun, there's a reason they make tooling from hardened steel
[08:57:07] <Jymmm> andypugh: That's the one with the 6 GPIO on it too.
[08:57:56] <andypugh> DN2800 has a "System Integration" port.
[08:58:17] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, you seem to like jetway boards
[08:58:30] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: it has 6 sata ports
[08:58:59] <Tom_itx> my older mb had 4 but only 2 work reliably at once
[08:59:27] <Jymmm> 6 sata + INTEL gig nics
[08:59:38] <Jymmm> perfect combo for NAS box
[09:00:32] <Jymmm> well, almost perfect. Perfect would be ECC ram.
[09:07:31] <archivist> machine level on fleabay 350572905797
[09:11:06] <andypugh> Pretty, but I don't hink I need it.
[09:12:31] <archivist> I already have one :)
[09:12:45] <archivist> and its baby brother
[09:53:07] <pcw_home> looks like even the cheap new Atom MBs have a Intel NIC now (D2500HN) $69.00
[10:00:06] <Tom_itx> keep all the parts inhouse
[10:04:24] <pcw_home> the 2500 looks like is has fewer parts overall than the D525
[10:05:39] <Loetmichel> sooo, 6 segments done, 10 to go... and i got a 2mm white translucent sheet PS for the segments also at the hardware store... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13302
[10:09:28] <norias> hmpf
[10:09:44] <norias> this chan seems alot more like computers than machining
[10:11:01] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, know any linux program that does bvh file creation without crashing?
[10:12:18] <Loetmichel> norias: hmm?
[10:12:36] <norias> i've been just sorta hanging out the past couple days
[10:12:38] <Tom_itx> or machining with computers
[10:12:42] <norias> and i see alot of computer talk
[10:12:45] <norias> less machining
[10:12:54] <norias> which is all well and cool, not a complaint
[10:12:59] <norias> just an observation
[10:13:07] <Loetmichel> maybe thats because of this channel being about a linuxCNC solution?
[10:13:16] <Tom_itx> it's about the hardware and software to do the machining
[10:13:18] <norias> yeah. makes sense
[10:13:20] <Loetmichel> COMPUTER numerical controlled ;-)
[10:13:35] <norias> i just used to work in shops with lots of machinists to chat with
[10:13:42] <norias> and now it's just me and an apprentice
[10:13:51] <norias> so most of the talking is... one directional
[10:13:53] <Loetmichel> sounds familliar
[10:13:57] <norias> and i miss chatting about machining
[10:13:57] <Tom_itx> there are machinists here
[10:14:03] <Tom_itx> just ask a question
[10:14:05] <Loetmichel> just that i am the production manager
[10:14:49] <norias> bought some "reversed jaw" vices a while back
[10:14:57] <Loetmichel> and all my (whats the correct word for the ppl who are reporting to me?) are gone, only 2 workers and a apprentice left...
[10:15:02] <norias> and thinking back on that purchase, i'm really happy i did
[10:15:20] <Loetmichel> ... but i hope it will be better soon, we got a big order just yesterday ;-)
[10:15:23] <norias> Loetmichel: i think you are looking for "subordinates"
[10:15:45] <norias> well, I run the prototype shop in a startup
[10:16:01] <norias> so, i keep pretty busy
[10:16:15] <norias> but most of the people i deal with are all engineers, chemists, etc
[10:16:40] <Tom_itx> what a combination
[10:18:06] <norias> it's alot of fun really
[10:18:51] <Loetmichel> EVERY job made with dedication is fun!
[10:19:02] <Loetmichel> (IMO)
[10:19:04] <norias> the engineers tend to give some degree of a design
[10:19:11] <norias> the rest... i end up doing the design
[10:19:14] <norias> which i enjoy
[10:19:24] <Loetmichel> norias: that sounds familliar, too ;-)
[10:19:55] <Loetmichel> most jobs i did lately were prototypes... with no engineer envolved at all... ;-)
[10:20:00] <Tom_itx> the engineers can tell you if it will break though
[10:20:23] <norias> most the engineers i work with are top-notch
[10:20:33] <norias> MIT and CMU types
[10:20:42] <norias> at least on the product design side
[10:20:50] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13140 <- a air filter for a Dell computer for example ;-)
[10:20:51] <norias> not so much with the pilot operations guys
[10:21:15] <norias> i have a feeling that they consistently outsource their machining
[10:21:30] <norias> because they get tired of me telling them why their designs will fail
[10:21:49] <norias> which seems to me to be a key difference between the really smart engineers
[10:22:01] <norias> and the standard line engineers
[10:22:13] <norias> the really smart guys enjoy and welcome collaboration
[10:22:25] <norias> i've learned alot from them
[10:22:30] <Loetmichel> or copying some shielding casings for a keyboard controller board... (right: mine, left, original) -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12885
[10:24:02] <norias> Loetmichel: looks like almost the same toolpaths
[10:24:09] <norias> almost
[10:25:16] <Loetmichel> maybe the CNC shop who did that uses a similar CAM?
[10:25:17] <Loetmichel> ;-)
[10:25:25] <norias> heh
[10:25:33] <norias> i have a heck of a time with CAM
[10:25:37] <norias> i tried mastercam
[10:25:42] <norias> but honest to goodness
[10:25:51] <norias> i can usually write a program
[10:26:02] <norias> faster than I can convince mastercam to do it the way i want it done
[10:26:30] <norias> most likely a failing on my part
[10:26:45] <Tom_itx> i use smartcam
[10:27:08] <Tom_itx> it was a little more user friendly at the time
[10:27:15] <norias> how much did that cost?
[10:27:27] <norias> i just downloaded HMSWorks
[10:27:33] <norias> but haven't had time to play with it
[10:28:26] <norias> i dunno, makes me feel a little stupid
[10:28:36] <norias> but logicaly, i know i'm computer literate
[10:28:57] <norias> i've compiled openBSD kernels from the freebsd docs
[10:29:00] <norias> etc
[10:29:06] <norias> i used to write software
[10:30:18] <norias> i kinda feel that an intermediary language
[10:30:25] <norias> that looks like mazatrol
[10:30:29] <norias> would be more useful
[10:30:40] <norias> with something to embed G-code in it
[10:30:53] <norias> like you can embed ASM in to C
[10:31:11] <norias> i kinda feel like mastercam etc jumps the gun
[10:33:24] <archivist> maybe you want to try an APT type of cam where you are more in control
[10:33:39] <norias> i've heard of APT
[10:33:46] <norias> but haven't actually seen/used it
[10:33:58] <norias> is there something I can download and try?
[10:34:26] <archivist> the only current one out in the free wild is apt360 on sourceforge
[10:34:58] <archivist> only runs on 32 bit systems at the moment
[10:35:11] <norias> hmm
[10:35:12] <norias> bummer
[10:35:41] <norias> oh, wait
[10:35:50] <norias> i have a 32 bit machine in the shop
[12:52:06] <andypugh> One bit of good news, the DN2800, with a 10.04 install, "just works" with a generic Dell WiFi mini-PCI card.
[12:52:36] <andypugh> The D510 fails to boot with the same card installed, so the behavour could hardly be more different.
[12:56:58] <micges> thi board also works with mPCI SSD disks (525/510 also fails to support it)
[12:58:12] <micges> andypugh: you have DN2800MT board?
[12:58:30] <andypugh> Yes
[12:59:00] <Tom_itx> what's the cost of those compared to the D525?
[12:59:14] <andypugh> A bit more, at the moment
[12:59:33] <Tom_itx> bleeding edge always costs
[12:59:46] <Tom_itx> either monitary or support
[12:59:51] <micges> andypugh: more than 100 euro?
[13:00:08] <Loetmichel> *grrr, that was the last 0,6mm two flute mill bit... so i will use 0,8mm, the circuit traces are 1mm, so the will be 0,8, thats enough also.
[13:06:48] <andypugh> micges: http://www.logicsupply.eu/mainboards/intel-atom/dn2800mt/
[13:25:02] <IchGuckLive> hi all miling around the globe
[13:28:34] <alex4nder> IchGuckLive: hey
[13:28:54] <IchGuckLive> B)
[13:28:59] <alex4nder> Tom_itx: with the DN2800MT the bleeding edge doesn't cost that much
[13:29:12] <alex4nder> the video performance just hurts a bit.
[13:29:54] <IchGuckLive> whats the main diference between this board and the D525
[13:30:27] <alex4nder> better power consumption, PCIe, onboard power supply
[13:30:31] <alex4nder> thinner
[13:30:36] <alex4nder> digital video
[13:30:56] <alex4nder> parallel and serial on pin headers.
[13:31:28] <alex4nder> bbl
[13:31:31] <IchGuckLive> is this realtime proven
[13:31:52] <IchGuckLive> what latacy does it has
[13:36:56] <IchGuckLive> its not in here ? -> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Latency-Test
[13:40:46] <IchGuckLive> we shoudt all fix this side and take more interest as i speek i got around 50 mashines running on linuxcnc
[13:41:13] <IchGuckLive> aspechel the Education ones that are ibm A50 at 30Eur
[13:48:38] <skunkworks__> my coworker just read an article about the newer intel boards not supporting linux very well
[13:49:18] <micges> new intel mb graphic chipset isn't properly supported under any os
[13:49:34] <skunkworks__> I should have him email the link
[13:50:09] <micges> but maybe few last months made this problem fixed
[13:50:35] <r00t4rd3d> what
[13:50:45] <r00t4rd3d> what chipset is it?
[13:51:11] <IchGuckLive> ok i got to go Soccer EM germany is starting
[13:51:19] <skunkworks__> that could be.. He just mentioned it yesterday.
[13:53:43] <r00t4rd3d> guess the tool:
[13:53:44] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/0vJVs
[13:54:28] <archivist> no close up of the label!
[13:54:36] <r00t4rd3d> dont have one
[13:55:38] <archivist> erm you got the camera and the tool :)
[13:57:16] <r00t4rd3d> actually I dont
[13:57:32] <r00t4rd3d> its from a post on reddit trying to figure out what the hell it is
[13:57:41] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[13:57:54] <r00t4rd3d> and now its driving me nuts not knowing either
[13:58:19] <archivist> post it to the datamp mailing list
[13:58:37] <archivist> or better oldtools mailing list
[14:01:31] <r00t4rd3d> i was really just hoping some old timer in here knew what it was
[14:02:10] <archivist> the oldtools mailing list has a surplus of old timers :)
[14:02:38] <r00t4rd3d> for reasons unknown I am anti mailing lists
[14:02:48] <archivist> and has a lot more tool collectors than here
[14:05:39] <r00t4rd3d> this is not man made:
[14:05:39] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/nvjNw.jpg
[14:06:12] <r00t4rd3d> stibnite i guess its called
[14:07:14] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, I sent a message to the old tools list /me waits
[14:15:06] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[14:30:25] <andypugh> r00t4rd3d: And this isn't photoshop! http://www.akademifantasia.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Naica-Giant-Crystal-Cave-9.jpg
[14:32:53] <andypugh> (More pictures, but you might want adblock etc set to max) http://www.akademifantasia.org/south-america/magnificent-giant-crystal-cave-at-naica/
[14:35:57] <archivist> something dumb about making a site unusable by ad content
[14:53:53] <skunkworks__> it looks like it is made to turn a small diameter shaft.. but I don't know what the extra do-dad in the upper right is for
[15:00:20] <andypugh> I suspect something to do with manipulating rail.
[15:03:36] <andypugh> Or possibly doing something unspeakable to livestock
[15:07:36] <andypugh> Google images search is no help:
[15:07:36] <andypugh> http://images.google.com/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZiuUSm21GIM0GezYUe_1W7aZkSjDDvKIaRTHxYZLHRwzv3ThpCGczCtsiIwlc8d2LSnv_14coUvj3zFxcLKm4N-egzQDHLXTuCsy8SFGda15MKl1rq22ECnQkXgwE1ftjTl5DXTQMolCKPDFmPnic6CinxtVLPuYDUhG9JZZwUgNLo1UJNsaYSKKPqwS18jI14kGIkIdvU6qPH7eolE0t7ra8JR_1Qsuag-rjRTkf-J_1vVtyZUO9jNFopkx1qUTjEqX_1rtEf6Vt3vVqV3tiNEw9cTtMYLAN1Gf5SX3CqJg8btS4Q2viJV5tQ-8IRRA90hkiVv5hXDJO0tbOI8xanJL1t3tJirCEiq1KKa1Wmrws3mn8mrW-gHWPBYV
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[15:07:43] <andypugh> (Yikes!)
[15:17:19] <archivist> first oldtools reply is wire tensioner ...nah
[15:26:18] <andypugh> I think it hinges the wrong way for that.
[15:28:03] <archivist> it has jaws for something and the upper right thing has..not a lot
[15:39:19] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[15:44:08] <syyl__> mh unusual to me
[15:44:09] <syyl__> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/IMG_0558.jpg
[15:44:23] <syyl__> no cad, no cnc machined part, just jigsaw and welder ;)
[15:45:02] <syyl__> and against all odds, it even fits :D
[15:45:03] <syyl__> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/IMG_0560.jpg
[15:48:21] <r00t4rd3d> archivist, any more replies?
[15:49:32] <archivist> r00t4rd3d, not yet, you can monitor list archive at http://swingleydev.com/archive/get.php?message_id=230844&submit_thread=1#message
[15:52:31] <toner> syyl__: nice :)
[15:53:20] <r00t4rd3d> i think its a locomotive firebox door opener :)
[15:54:34] <r00t4rd3d> or a tool to open/close some sort of furnace
[15:55:45] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/0vJVs
[15:55:54] <r00t4rd3d> incase anyone hasnt seen it, name this tool
[15:57:18] <toner> it looks like a crimper of sorts
[15:57:20] <toner> but no idea
[15:58:49] <r00t4rd3d> its a cow tooth puller
[15:59:06] <syyl__> looks a bit like a pipebendr
[16:11:10] <Loetmichel> soo, all segments milled ans soldered. The poor camer is nearly blinded ;-)
[16:11:21] <Loetmichel> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13305
[16:11:24] <Loetmichel> camera
[16:12:08] <Loetmichel> tomorrow i woll make the ohter translicent segment caps and then the AVR board to drive it.
[16:12:11] <Loetmichel> will
[16:12:14] <Loetmichel> other
[16:14:15] <pcw_home> Looks like a tool that grabs a bead or rim of something and prys it into position
[16:15:17] <JT-Shop> what a nice ride today with friends
[16:22:22] <r00t-Shed> whats half of 3/8's
[16:22:24] <r00t-Shed> lol
[16:22:31] <r00t-Shed> i should know this
[16:22:48] <JT-Shop> 3/?
[16:23:00] <JT-Shop> 3/8/2
[16:23:22] <r00t-Shed> 16.
[16:23:26] <r00t-Shed> ?
[16:23:42] <JT-Shop> 0.1875"
[16:24:20] <r00t-Shed> and on a tape measure that is ?
[16:24:33] <JT-Shop> 3/16"
[16:27:33] <Tom_itx> somebody should write a speed/feed calc bot for the channel
[16:27:48] <micges> heh
[16:27:51] <Tom_itx> oh and a metric conversion one
[16:28:18] <r00t-Shed> mm to inches
[16:28:44] <r00t-Shed> i could probably do that with an eggdrop, just have it get the result from a online converter
[16:28:54] <Tom_itx> fathoms to meters
[16:29:11] <JT-Shop> eggdrop soup?
[16:29:42] <Tom_itx> ok, pizza run.. bak in a few
[16:30:38] <JT-Shop> ok, make mine extra pepperoni
[16:33:33] <Tom_itx> done
[16:33:57] <Tom_itx> they charge extra for delivery to your area though
[16:34:45] <JT-Shop> well crap, I guess I'm not hungry after two brats at lunch
[16:36:46] <pcw_home> beat on the brat, beat on the brat, beat on the brat with a baseball bat yeah yeah
[16:39:42] <JT-Shop> Vietnam Vets Poker run today http://imagebin.org/215781
[16:42:43] <JT-Shop> I don't think I've heard that song before Peter
[16:47:35] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Bimba 50¢
[16:47:44] <JT-Shop> lol
[16:48:01] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Tubing 50¢
[16:48:45] <JT-Shop> now your being clever
[16:49:09] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: sorry, I lied... got a bimba fo 33¢ today
[16:49:26] <JT-Shop> close enough for gvmnt workt
[16:49:28] <Jymmm> with 2 brass elbows
[16:49:47] <JT-Shop> be back in a bit
[16:49:50] <Jymmm> Yeah, I thought so
[16:49:51] <Jymmm> k
[16:55:26] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: no leathers?????????
[17:15:52] <Jymmm> I feel like I made out like a bandit at the flea market today =)
[17:20:54] <Jymmm> entrance fee, crock pot, hot air popcorn popper, glass marbles, ceramic bowl, 5gal gas can, two hot water heater blankets, windup toy, plastic wreath box, TENS Unit, 9v/aa/aaa Ni-MH battery charger, Turquoise sea turtle necklace, baguette for $25
[17:21:35] <Tom_itx> quite a variety
[17:23:36] <r00t-Shed> how do I center my graphic in the center of my work space ?
[17:23:41] <Jymmm> Oh, I also got a Bimba cylinder, 25ft of tubing, and a roll of duuuuct tape
[17:24:16] <Tom_itx> r00t-Shed that's a rather vague question
[17:24:39] <r00t-Shed> in linuxcnc, the example is at the top left of my workspace
[17:24:58] <Tom_itx> set a fixture offset?
[17:25:01] <Jymmm> r00t-Shed: which is usually XY 0,0
[17:25:35] <Jymmm> oh, I also got two pints of 1,1,1 too =)
[17:25:42] <Jymmm> banned for the last 20+ years =)
[17:25:50] <Tom_itx> wtf is that?
[17:26:14] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1,1,1-Trichloroethane
[17:26:21] <Tom_itx> i wondered
[17:26:30] <r00t-Shed> i cant manually move the image around?
[17:26:33] <r00t-Shed> or scale it
[17:26:50] <Tom_itx> we used trichloroflorothane sp?
[17:27:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Yeah, iirc this is the stuff that can even remove silicone =)
[17:27:23] <Tom_itx> this is a degreaser
[17:27:33] <Tom_itx> also used to dry coffee beans iirc
[17:28:00] <Jymmm> Well, I couldn't beat it for $1/pint
[17:28:12] <Jymmm> Labeld as "IBM Tape Cleaner" =)
[17:29:38] <Jymmm> but all that for $25 works for me =)
[17:30:40] <Tom_itx> resell it on ebay and double your money
[17:30:50] <Jymmm> the 111 ?
[17:30:57] <Tom_itx> all of it
[17:31:09] <Tom_itx> oh i suppose you can keep the marbles
[17:31:18] <Jymmm> nah, I need most of it.
[17:31:24] <Jymmm> Marbles are not cheap anymore
[17:31:48] <Tom_itx> you seen how they make em?
[17:31:49] <Jymmm> kinda rare actually. Had some tiny ones in it too maybe 1/4" diameter
[17:31:58] <Jymmm> I have never seen those before ever
[17:32:01] <Tom_itx> it was a 'how it's made' or some such show
[17:32:22] <Jymmm> Glass rod, snipped off and rolled?
[17:32:40] <Tom_itx> it pours in from the top
[17:32:47] <Jymmm> thats how bearing balls are made
[17:32:49] <Jymmm> ah
[17:32:57] <Tom_itx> and snipped automatically iirc
[17:33:08] <Tom_itx> then rolls down a pair of screw rollers
[17:33:11] <Jymmm> The marbles and necklace were for the gf anyway =)
[17:33:38] <Jymmm> Told her she lost her marbles long ago and I just found them for her =)
[17:36:28] <Jymmm> The necklace is actually pretty nice, and I NEVEr buy jewlery. I just dont know enough about soilver/gold/diamond/emerald/gems to know if I'd be getting ripped off or not.
[17:38:09] <r00t-Shed> linuxcnc thinks my axis are moving alot faster then they actually are, so do I slow down the acceleration in stepconf?
[17:39:01] <r00t-Shed> i wish pfred was here
[17:39:33] <r00t-Shed> he is never here when i am trying to use my machine and he has the same driver
[17:42:03] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I Since I have two pints, maybe I could sell one for $100 =)
[17:42:11] <Tom_itx> heh
[17:43:01] <Jymmm> You can't get it anymore, so it's kinda rare.
[17:43:09] <Jymmm> kinda like freon
[17:43:23] <Jymmm> or halon
[17:43:34] <Tom_itx> what's the name of those good enclosures sometimes on ebay?
[17:43:37] <Tom_itx> i forgot the brand
[17:43:42] <Jymmm> all the good ozone depleating chemicals =)
[17:43:47] <Jymmm> ZERO Cases?
[17:43:54] <Jymmm> Pelican Cases?
[17:43:58] <Tom_itx> no begins with R i think
[17:44:05] <Jymmm> metal?
[17:44:09] <Tom_itx> i could search the logs
[17:44:11] <Tom_itx> yes metal
[17:44:16] <Tom_itx> quality enclosure
[17:44:25] <Jymmm> for electrial?
[17:44:33] <Tom_itx> yes
[17:44:46] <Tom_itx> i'll check the logs
[17:44:59] <Jymmm> Raco?
[17:45:15] <Jymmm> hoffman
[17:45:19] <Jymmm> rittal
[17:45:25] <Tom_itx> that's it
[17:45:27] <Tom_itx> i think
[17:45:37] <Jymmm> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&safe=off&q=electrical+enclosure+boxes&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=1000&bih=760&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=1667526396911734003&sa=X&ei=e8_TT_r2MOfW0QHO3Zn1Ag&ved=0CI8BEPMCMAI
[17:46:20] <Jymmm> hoffman are nice too, especially the SS ones
[17:46:47] <Tom_itx> 18 x 18 x 8 is approx what i want
[17:46:54] <Tom_itx> maybe slightly bigger
[17:47:15] <Tom_itx> i may end up making one
[17:48:26] <Tom_itx> where do you get NEMA sizes for enclosures?
[17:50:16] <Tom_itx> for $235 i can make one
[17:50:50] <Tom_itx> and have change for a 4th axis stepper and drive
[17:53:06] <Tom_itx> http://www.hammfg.com/pages/s1_ind_encl/p018_eclipse1dr.htm
[17:53:07] <Tom_itx> haha
[17:53:21] <Tom_itx> i got free samples from them once. wonder if i can do it again :)
[17:55:58] <Tom_itx> http://www.hammfg.com/downloads/pdf/EN4SD20208GY.pdf
[17:56:09] <Tom_itx> i use their plastic boxes
[17:57:26] <Tom_itx> digikey lists it
[18:01:39] <andypugh> Broadband is down. It took me hours to realise I could connect using my phone.
[18:02:14] <Tom_itx> bugger
[18:03:43] <andypugh> Well, this is working so well I am not entirely sure that I am connected via the phone.
[18:05:01] <pcw_home> traceroute?
[18:44:45] <andypugh_> This is annoying, I can't figure out how to connect to the internet via the phone, and my other computers through the WiFi
[18:45:28] <andypugh_> I think I will call it a day. Goodnight.
[18:47:27] <Tom_itx> well between his hdd and the interweb andy's having a rough couple days
[19:15:46] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/30NfL
[19:15:50] <r00t4rd3d> its alive!
[19:18:59] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError my first "
[19:19:02] <r00t4rd3d> cut"
[19:19:06] <r00t4rd3d> damn it
[19:22:51] <ReadError> nice r00t4rd3d
[19:22:59] <ReadError> i did the same thing at first too ;)
[19:25:26] <alex4nder> ReadError: hey
[19:25:43] <r00t4rd3d> My entire build : http://imgur.com/a/Kupuo
[19:25:53] <Tom_itx> mmm i wonder if a 15 x 15 enclosure would be big enough for a small mill electronics
[19:26:03] <Tom_itx> psu steppers and mesa cards
[19:26:19] <alex4nder> how tall?
[19:26:22] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: You're holding a pencil for ransome?
[19:26:32] <Tom_itx> 15 x 15 x 9 deep
[19:26:49] <Jymmm> Is nema17 the smallest stepper?
[19:26:53] <ReadError> hi alex4nder
[19:27:04] <Tom_itx> no Jymmm, there are tiny ones in floppy drives
[19:27:48] <alex4nder> Tom_itx: yah, you could do it
[19:28:06] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I'd suspect no real torque behind them though
[19:28:16] <alex4nder> I think one of my favorite power supplies is the HRPG-* series from menawell
[19:28:18] <Jymmm> more for precision and speed
[19:28:18] <alex4nder> er meanwell
[19:28:21] <Connor> I think they're are Nema 14's
[19:28:22] <alex4nder> since they're like 8" long
[19:28:23] <Tom_itx> for frame steppers 17 is i believe
[19:28:31] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: thanks
[19:28:40] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, you need a cheap source lemme know
[19:28:48] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: where?
[19:28:54] <Tom_itx> dude builds repraps with them and has researched it
[19:29:03] <Tom_itx> i'll have to ask
[19:29:12] <r00t4rd3d> ebay
[19:29:34] <r00t4rd3d> directly from china
[19:29:36] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: dont sweat it, I'm in no rush right now, for a future project I'm researching
[19:30:42] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/CNC-Nema17-for-12VDC-2800g-cm-34mm-length-4-Lead-1-8-Wantai-Stepper-Motor-/140758055374?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20c5d579ce
[19:30:50] <r00t4rd3d> 18 bucks
[19:30:55] <Jymmm> with torque curves, nice! http://www.servo-drive.com/stepper_motors_rotary_stepper_motors.php
[19:31:02] <Jymmm> r00t4rd3d: WAY too much!
[19:31:08] <Connor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10PCS-CNC-Nema14-12V-1000g-cm-20mm-length-4-Lead-2-phase-Stepper-Motor-wantai-/170836590501?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27c6a77fa5#ht_2470wt_824
[19:31:32] <Jymmm> Connor: $48 shipping ?!
[19:31:42] <Connor> For 10
[19:31:44] <Connor> :)
[19:32:05] <Jymmm> I'll CL a copier recycling =)
[19:32:12] <Jymmm> bbiab
[19:32:44] <r00t4rd3d> at my local dump there is a electronics bin to get rid of stuff for free. Loads of printers in there always.
[19:33:01] <Connor> Jymmm: What you needing small stepper for ?
[19:33:15] <r00t4rd3d> micro cnc router?
[19:41:46] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, http://www.ultimachine.com/content/kysan-1124090-nema-17-stepper-motor
[19:43:01] <Tom_itx> http://www.kelinginc.net/NEMA17Motor.html
[19:45:26] <Tom_itx> alex4nder, well it's a Rittal enclosure.. kinda hard to pass up
[19:45:37] <alex4nder> Tom_itx: sounds good
[19:45:38] <Tom_itx> i'd rather it was a tiny big bigger but i think i can make it all fit
[19:45:49] <ReadError> i got these tiny 0.020" endmills
[19:45:53] <ReadError> scared to try em
[19:45:54] <alex4nder> sometimes constraints like that make for better layout
[19:45:55] <ReadError> look so fragile
[19:46:11] <Tom_itx> they are
[19:46:26] <syyl> http://gtwr.de/fraeser.jpg
[19:46:32] <syyl> talk about fragile ;)
[19:46:43] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/etching/mills1.jpg
[19:47:08] <ReadError> ill be cutting g10
[19:47:31] <alex4nder> like, FR4?
[19:47:43] <Tom_itx> well i think i'll go for it on the box
[19:48:06] <alex4nder> right
[19:48:28] <ReadError> yea its fiberglass alex4nder
[19:48:41] <alex4nder> you making PCBs?
[19:49:01] <ReadError> nah
[19:49:08] <ReadError> rear AR guide for this microheli
[19:49:13] <alex4nder> ah
[19:49:13] <Tom_itx> use carbide for sure
[19:49:13] <ReadError> but its similar to pcb material
[19:49:23] <ReadError> yea they are carbide
[19:58:50] <Tom_itx> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RITTAL-AE-1380-Painted-Steel-Enclosure-15-x-15-x-9-/180899383510?_trksid=m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D3%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D9024009551874549694&_qi=RTM1084479
[20:01:17] <Tom_itx> guess we'll see
[20:22:17] <Jymmm> IP 66 rating, ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
[20:23:04] <Tom_itx> that bad?
[20:23:25] <Jymmm> Heh, no. I just prefer everything to be IP67
[20:23:36] <Tom_itx> well it's going on a sherline so...
[20:23:54] <Jymmm> IP66 is dust, 67 is waterproof
[20:24:09] <Tom_itx> oh well i got a roof over my head
[20:24:17] <Jymmm> coolant
[20:24:24] <Tom_itx> yeah
[20:24:26] <Jymmm> oils solvents etc
[20:24:40] <Tom_itx> i doubt i need to worry about that
[20:25:01] <Tom_itx> not quite the size i wanted but pretty close
[20:26:00] <Jymmm> I hope you dont have to put in there, it's smaller than a mid sized desktop case
[20:26:08] <Jymmm> ^much
[20:26:26] <Tom_itx> i'm pretty sure it'll all fit
[20:26:32] <Jymmm> cool
[20:27:14] <Tom_itx> i may put the fins for the geckos out the side
[20:27:42] <Jymmm> your PS will fit in there?
[20:28:02] <Tom_itx> yeah
[20:28:17] <Tom_itx> i'll re'arrange stuff a bit but i planned on that anyway
[20:28:18] <Jymmm> nice
[20:28:50] <Tom_itx> just that and the mesa cards and gecko drivers
[20:29:11] <Jymmm> I took apart the air popcorn popper... they did a slick job on designing it.
[20:29:41] <Jymmm> First off, they used wirenuts instead of crimps.
[20:29:50] <Tom_itx> older?
[20:29:57] <Jymmm> No, modern.
[20:30:03] <Tom_itx> huh
[20:30:29] <Jymmm> Second, they soldered a diode bridge directly to the terminals of the dc motor.
[20:31:26] <Jymmm> Third, and the slick part.... In the heating element, they tapped into it just at the point where it would drop the voltage from 110VAC down to respectable 5VDC level would be.
[20:32:57] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: do you know what an air popper is?
[20:33:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Instead of oil, it uses JSUT hot air to pop popcorn kernels.
[20:33:48] <Tom_itx> why would a retail / surplus electronics store have spools and spools of nichrome wire and ribbon?
[20:33:50] <Tom_itx> yes
[20:33:53] <Tom_itx> i know what it is
[20:34:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Because they got it from some place that went out of business?
[20:34:35] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Why, who has some?
[20:34:40] <Tom_itx> what's the value in it?
[20:34:43] <Tom_itx> local guy
[20:35:08] <Tom_itx> other than cutting foam wings for model airplanes?
[20:35:19] <Jymmm> science experiments, heating elements, resistance
[20:35:38] <Tom_itx> nothing in ham radio maybe?
[20:35:43] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: they have a website?
[20:35:47] <Tom_itx> no
[20:35:50] <Jymmm> not in ham, no.
[20:36:18] <Jymmm> doubtful but maybe to a TCXO but thse are usually built in
[20:36:28] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what are they asking for it and for what?
[20:37:13] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: insulated, non0insulated?
[20:37:17] <Tom_itx> i really didn't check that close, just noticed it
[20:37:18] <Tom_itx> bare
[20:37:37] <Jymmm> insulated nichrome looks bare
[20:37:50] <Tom_itx> i didn't check
[20:38:00] <Jymmm> what price?
[20:38:12] <Tom_itx> like i said, i dunno
[20:38:23] <Tom_itx> i just saw it on the shelf and went after what i went for
[20:38:44] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Ah, see what ribbon they have and how much they're asking.
[20:38:55] <Tom_itx> you need some?
[20:39:08] <Tom_itx> same place i got my wire
[20:39:35] <Jymmm> I have about 100K feet of nichrome wire, but some ribbon and or insulated would be nice at times.
[20:39:59] <Tom_itx> wtf you need that much for?
[20:40:06] <Jymmm> 100K in various gauges that is.
[20:40:27] <Tom_itx> you know of an open source bvh file creator that doesn't lock up the pc?
[20:40:37] <Jymmm> 100K in 40 and 30ga isn't all that much =)
[20:40:58] <Jymmm> BVH?
[20:41:21] <Tom_itx> motion capture
[20:42:35] <Jymmm> blender
[20:42:43] <Jymmm> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biovision_Hierarchy
[20:43:00] <Tom_itx> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P75b7vqQWRQ
[20:43:12] <Tom_itx> for generating axis moves
[20:45:02] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2xWgEdiTwc&feature=relmfu
[20:45:32] <Tom_itx> yes, that's rue_mohr
[20:46:04] <Jymmm> who?
[20:46:13] <Tom_itx> blender uses them, not create or edit
[20:46:18] <Tom_itx> in #robotics
[20:46:23] <Jymmm> ah
[20:46:40] <Tom_itx> some crazy canadian
[20:47:32] <Jymmm> Yeah, like THAt narrows it down =)
[20:47:48] <Tom_itx> experimenting with air muscles for a robot
[20:50:40] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Was this ribbon sold on individual spools, or one big spool?
[20:51:14] <Tom_itx> several fair size spools
[20:51:17] <Tom_itx> bulk
[20:51:39] <Jymmm> and no idea on the cost per spool? $10 $100 $1000000 ?
[20:51:46] <Tom_itx> nope
[20:51:48] <Jymmm> k
[20:51:57] <Tom_itx> wasn't on my list and i didn't care
[20:52:05] <Tom_itx> just curious why he had so much of it
[20:52:25] <Jymmm> you shoudl always care, it gives you a resource for any future needs =)
[20:52:33] <Tom_itx> he's got alot of old odd stuff
[20:52:45] <Tom_itx> i mentally log everything
[20:52:57] <Jymmm> I never let a new resource go un-researched =)
[20:53:13] <Tom_itx> so you're gonna pester me forever?
[20:53:29] <Jymmm> not really
[20:53:37] <Tom_itx> jk
[20:53:41] <Jymmm> well, yeah, till you find out the price =)
[20:55:19] <Jymmm> I may or may not care. Will have to wait till the epoxy cures to find out =)
[20:55:53] <Jymmm> I do have some ribbon now, but always on the lookout for sources.
[20:57:15] <ReadError> http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/201900d1332669983-animated-gif-thread-dog.gif
[20:57:15] <ReadError> ;o
[21:03:53] <alex4nder> anyone else using the 'outputs' on their G540 (i.e. not-stepper outputs)
[21:04:20] <alex4nder> I'm noticing with the new solid state relays, the G540 looks like it's activating its outputs at power-up
[21:07:16] <ReadError> just for a second?
[21:07:26] <ReadError> you got the charge pump thing on?
[21:10:39] <alex4nder> yes, it does it even if I have it in fault when I turn the power on.
[21:12:24] <norias> hi
[21:12:41] <alex4nder> .. and with the parallel port disconnected from the PC
[21:20:36] <Jymmm> call or email marriss and see what he says
[21:22:19] <alex4nder> so the answer is: no one else in here using the outputs on their G540 is seeing this issue?
[21:22:33] <Tom_itx> not me
[21:22:39] <Tom_itx> Jymmm, does he frequent the forum?
[21:22:58] <Jymmm> No idea, I just pick up the phone.
[21:38:18] <ScribbleJ> They say the third time is the charm but I feel real good about seeing this gcode toc ompletion on the 4th attempt now.
[21:39:33] <r00t4rd3d> archivist, http://www.lehmans.com/store/USA_Made___Tools_and_Farm___Farming___Wire_Stretcher___33623?Args=
[22:02:18] <toner> r00t4rd3d: so THATS what it is
[22:02:48] <toner> for bailing? or what
[22:04:02] <r00t4rd3d> barb nwire
[22:05:10] <toner> yow
[22:05:14] <toner> how do you use it?
[22:07:16] * toner doesn't get it
[22:16:45] <Tom_itx> just as easy to use a stick
[23:30:59] <ScribbleJ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCRZJ_G_Iq4&feature=youtu.be This is ... well, 15 minutes ago.
[23:31:07] <ScribbleJ> You can see my setup in all it's gl... horror.
[23:32:01] <ScribbleJ> Sorry for the horrible quality, it's what I got.
[23:35:55] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: What type/size tool are you using, how thick is your material, is Z 0 top of material?
[23:36:55] <ScribbleJ> Jymmm, it's a 1/8" ballnose endmill, the material is 1/2" birch shittyass plywood, and Z0 is somewhere near the top, yes.
[23:37:14] <ScribbleJ> And anythign anyone wants to tell me is helpful, this is the firs tthing I have ever routed/milled
[23:37:19] <ScribbleJ> (cnc or not)
[23:37:35] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: I'll *try* to get you some nice gcode later, maybe in a few hours.
[23:38:10] <Jymmm> is all you have is ballnose? no V-cutters?
[23:38:39] <Jymmm> ScribbleJ: is all you have is ballnose? no V-cutters?
[23:38:40] <ScribbleJ> Yeah, all I have right now are 1/8" ballnose, and 1/4" flat, and a few weird 'burrs'
[23:38:58] <ScribbleJ> You got a good recomendation for a v-cutter? Online? To order?
[23:39:09] <ScribbleJ> I have photos of every bit I own:
[23:39:12] <Jymmm> hmmm, ok. I'll see what I can do
[23:39:36] <Jymmm> I just bought one of those 40-50 pieces sets of router bits myself.
[23:39:49] <ScribbleJ> Id' enjoy a link to the sort of thing you mean
[23:39:50] <Jymmm> as far as GOOD router bits, try CMT
[23:40:05] <ScribbleJ> http://www.flickr.com/photos/13723140@N04/7314473068/in/photostream and http://www.flickr.com/photos/13723140@N04/7314472852/in/photostream
[23:40:18] <ScribbleJ> Those are my bits, got them cheap on ebay, carbide, I like them.
[23:40:28] <ScribbleJ> But I dont think that guy had any v style bits.
[23:40:38] <ScribbleJ> And I dont' really know what I can do witht hose burrs.
[23:41:00] <Jymmm> http://routerbitworld.com/90-Degree-V-Grooving-Bits-s/1327.htm
[23:41:33] <Jymmm> Avoid FREUD brand (crap)
[23:41:41] <ScribbleJ> Interesting - 90deg
[23:41:42] <ScribbleJ> ?
[23:41:55] <ScribbleJ> Why90? Seems like something less would be more useful?
[23:42:00] <Jymmm> I have 120 degreee, but I guess 90 should be ok
[23:42:05] <ScribbleJ> I seriously don't know anything.
[23:42:10] <Jymmm> bbl
[23:42:27] <ScribbleJ> Ok... I'll ask you for more info later then. :)