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[02:48:34] <DJ9DJ> moin
[02:49:30] <alex4nder> yoh
[03:43:48] <anonimasu> question how much backslash is acceptable on a cnc lathe?
[03:44:55] <archivist> are cuts always right to left
[03:46:00] <anonimasu> no
[03:46:47] <anonimasu> measured about 0.013mm
[03:47:43] <archivist> do you do solid tapping
[03:47:56] <anonimasu> rigid tapping? no
[03:48:05] <anonimasu> not yet..
[03:48:56] <archivist> you could add .013 backlash compensation on the worn axis
[03:49:25] <anonimasu> the question was really, should i bother chasing it down more?
[03:50:32] <anonimasu> what's the usual backslash for a new machine?
[03:50:34] <archivist> is it stiction or slide wear
[03:51:07] <anonimasu> ballscrew wear i guess, it's 3µm from factory setting of backslash...
[03:51:52] <mrsun> anonimasu, put oversized balls in ? :)
[03:52:15] <anonimasu> mrsun: i dont know if it's really nescessary..
[03:52:31] <archivist> are parts failing inspection
[03:52:45] <anonimasu> i inspect myself -_-
[03:53:28] <archivist> are you making scrap because of it /me guesses no
[03:53:34] <anonimasu> no
[03:54:03] <anonimasu> but im trying to keep +0 -0.012 on a shaft im going to make soon..
[03:55:16] <anonimasu> so im trying to set up things before i start dia now are +/- a few 0.01mm's.. roughly like the backslash
[03:55:32] <anonimasu> depending on direction of moving
[03:55:40] <archivist> a manual lather with a pile of backlash can still get the accuracy if driven correctly with knowledge of faults
[03:56:44] <anonimasu> yeah but tweaking offsets for the final pass on every part is a pita
[03:57:36] <archivist> I come from one direction on the mill to size, so dimensions are repeatable
[03:58:07] <archivist> this means I do extra moves in the gcode
[03:59:03] <anonimasu> well, i do the same for my cam output stuff, however when i rapid back to toolchange for the final tool, backslash makes the dia not match up so good,
[03:59:53] <archivist> are you sure you are not taking tool mounting into account as well
[04:00:36] <archivist> also program in a slow move to final dia before the cut so there is no overshoot
[04:04:31] <archivist> I have seen whole slides rotate due to wear, adjust gibs
[04:05:57] <anonimasu> will check, gtg to cut some parts
[08:07:04] <awallin> hmh
http://blogs.sccs.swarthmore.edu/julianleland/engineering/academic-projects/e90-senior-design-self-replicating-mill/
[08:48:15] <ScribbleJ> Ineresting.
[08:48:28] <ScribbleJ> It's about as self-replicating as a reprap
[08:48:34] <ScribbleJ> (Which is to say, not at all really)
[08:51:29] <jdhNC> anyone know how small of a PS you can use with an intel d525?
[08:55:21] <micges> jdhNC: what you mean by small?
[08:55:29] <jdhNC> how many watts
[08:55:46] <Jymmm> <100
[08:56:12] <jdhNC> http://www.mpja.com/150WATT-ATX-COMPUTER-POWER-SUPPLY/productinfo/18034+PS/
[08:56:38] <Jymmm> thats a 20pin
[08:56:49] <jdhNC> A $6 PSU doesn't really inspire confidence though.
[08:56:54] <Jymmm> but it might be fine
[08:57:10] <Jymmm> you could use a pico PS too Ibelieve
[08:58:50] <micges> jdhNC: it will work with 90W
[08:59:20] <micges> picoPSU 90W
[09:00:33] <jdhNC> thanks.
[09:02:13] <Jymmm> jdhNC: Check craigslist free section, always free computers available
[09:02:46] <Jymmm> jdhNC: Else, place a WANTED add for free computer
[10:45:21] <Jymmm> Has anyone used something like this before?
http://www.harborfreight.com/pack-of-8-alumiweld-aluminum-welding-rods-44810.html Here's a (cheesy) video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ42scaWFnw&feature=related
[10:46:10] <syyl> that aluminum welding/soldering stuff always works great in the videos or on trade shows
[10:46:29] <syyl> but in reallife its just annoying ;)
[10:47:45] <syyl> get a AC tig ;)
[10:47:48] <Jymmm> Since I only solder wires, and it looked 'okey' with a propane torch, thought it might be interesting to try out.
[10:48:24] <syyl> you have to break the oxide layer to solder/weld it
[10:48:35] <Jymmm> Like I said, the video is cheesy, but it does show the clueless approach
[10:48:38] <syyl> in the video its done by scratching with the welding rod
[10:48:50] <syyl> you will get problems doing that to a wire
[10:49:19] <Jymmm> I'm only considering 1/16 to 1/8" thick aluminum
[10:51:48] <ReadError> i cant see it being very strong
[10:54:59] <Connor> I've seen a non promotional video of a guy using that stuff.. He doesn't sell it.. but, he knew how to use and.. and it looked great.. and looked like it worked very good.
[11:00:01] <ReadError> they test the strength of it?
[11:00:42] <Connor> Don't remember.. been a year or two ago since I saw it.
[11:09:00] <archivist> was given a welded just done at a show and pliers to break it, the weld held, metal broke
[11:10:15] <ReadError> so maybe they used crappy metal ;)
[11:12:54] <archivist> very thin ally
[11:14:14] <archivist> and as I was an employed aluminium welder many years ago, seemed ok except for the silly price
[11:16:06] <jdhNC> I had a guy weld an aluminun T-Top for my boat, he did beautiful Al welds
[12:19:42] <IchGuckLive> good eveningt to all from germany
[12:20:12] <IchGuckLive> PCW hi order is out
[12:22:06] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: is there a info inside on how to get it work 5i25 plug N go 7i76
[12:30:31] <jthornton> IchGuckLive, what info are you needing for the 7i76?
[12:33:07] <jthornton> be back later
[12:36:29] <micges> IchGuckLive: what info do you need?
[12:37:29] <IchGuckLive> im just asking and waiting for the packet to arive
[12:38:43] <micges> ok
[12:38:57] <andypugh> No instructions in the pack, but the manuals are downloadable from mesanet.com
[12:39:15] <IchGuckLive> there seams to be no config in the git at hm2
[12:39:58] <andypugh> It isn't as "plug n go" as it says, you need the correct HAL config and a manual to work out which terminal is which
[12:40:35] <andypugh> There is no .bit file, because the 5i25 doesn't use them.
[12:40:38] <IchGuckLive> i will get over this
[12:45:29] <IchGuckLive> andypugh: so if i get the packet hostmot firmware wit synatic everything is inside
[12:46:26] <andypugh> No, you don't need any of that
[12:46:40] <andypugh> All you need is LinuxCNC
[12:46:56] <andypugh> (needs to be V2.5)
[12:47:13] <IchGuckLive> i pull the latest git
[12:47:33] <andypugh> Latest released version is fine.
[12:47:48] <IchGuckLive> i want foam and grid inside
[12:47:58] <IchGuckLive> shoudt be on master then
[12:48:13] <andypugh> No, master is fine too.
[12:50:06] <andypugh> Aha! And v2.5 seems to include 5i25 support in pncconf, so it's all easy
[12:50:27] <Loetmichel> soo, re @ home, now: speedmanufacturing of wooden trophy bases ;-) (28 pcs.) ->
http://bambuser.com/v/2647989
[12:55:26] <IchGuckLive> andypugh: does the pci 5i25 give me the %V to the 7i76 without hooking a seperate 5V
[12:55:38] <IchGuckLive> to any of them
[12:55:48] <IchGuckLive> so by pc power
[12:55:52] <pcw_home> you can also just take the hm2-stepper config and make a new ini file for it
[12:56:09] <andypugh> I _think_ you need 8-32V for the field-IO, as it is isolated from the PC power.
[12:56:49] <IchGuckLive> i got 5V 12V 24V and 48V inside the stepper driver case
[12:57:14] <pcw_home> You do not need a separate 5V supply, it can come from the 5I25 but the 48 I/O bits need their own supply
[12:57:36] <pcw_home> 12 or 24V recommended
[12:58:05] <IchGuckLive> 12V is good then the I/O supply that ? to the driver stage
[12:58:31] <IchGuckLive> so i need resistors to the optocopplers TTL 5V
[12:58:58] <andypugh> IchGuckLive: If you want to use Pncconf then I think you need these files:
http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=39&id=20043
[12:59:21] <andypugh> IchGuckLive: You shouldn't need any extra optocouplers I don't think.
[12:59:48] <IchGuckLive> ther are on the driverstages M542 already
[13:00:18] <pcw_home> This is for the isolated I/O section for the 16 outputs and 32 inputs (for control outputs and limits/home/control inputs)
[13:00:20] <pcw_home> The step/dir outputs are 5V signals
[13:02:23] <IchGuckLive> ah ok thats good so just connect is there a 5V out on the card 7i76 to connect to the optocoppler V+ of the driverstage and only gnd to the portpin of the 7i76
[13:03:33] <IchGuckLive> i see there is -/+ for eatch
[13:03:41] <pcw_home> if the driver leaves the OPTO inputs uncommited (not commoned in any way)
[13:03:43] <pcw_home> you can drive them differentially which is best
[13:04:57] <IchGuckLive> this overcomes my english need to translate and understand the last fires
[13:07:16] <pcw_home> That is if the OPTO inputs on your drive have both + and - for STEP and DIR you can drive them from the + and - 7I76 outputs (this is called differential drive)
[13:07:16] <IchGuckLive> pcw_home: this is the connection chematic
http://www.mecheltron.com/files/images/stepper-motor-drivers/M542-schematic.png
[13:07:38] <IchGuckLive> thats it
[13:07:48] <IchGuckLive> there are connectet outside
[13:09:19] <pcw_home> OK so best as far as noise immunity goes it to wire them differentially
[13:09:34] <IchGuckLive> agree
[13:09:41] <pcw_home> s/it to/is to/
[13:17:11] <IchGuckLive> PCWone last question for now on the parport the home switches dident need any power at all sa they short the groud no its 12V wunning thru them ?
[13:17:51] <IchGuckLive> as i only need the inputs
[13:20:38] <IchGuckLive> so as i rees the manual 12V-> Vin vField to the switch P1 P2 inputX
[13:21:06] <pcw_home> the field inputs are NPN type so need to be powered so +12v --> limit sw --> 7I76 input
[13:21:27] <IchGuckLive> ok
[13:26:42] <pcw_home> The 7I76 /7I77 field I/O was chosen to be the safest (a grounded limit switch wire is a fault)
[13:26:44] <pcw_home> and a grounded output wire does not enable the load. This may be a nuisance for retrofits however if other wiring schemes were used
[13:27:04] <IchGuckLive> anderstand
[13:27:53] <IchGuckLive> [HOSTMOT2] DRIVER=hm2_pci BOARD=5i25 <- so i go with this no config needed i the ini
[13:30:45] <pcw_home> you also need to drop the firmware text in the line that invokes the pci driver
[13:32:10] <IchGuckLive> thats what for the plug N go 5i25 7i76 kit as i need 5 stepdir gens
[13:33:16] <pcw_home> somethin like:
[13:33:17] <pcw_home> CONFIG="num_encoders=1 num_stepgens=5 sserial_port_0=20xxxxxx"
[13:34:03] <IchGuckLive> sserial port as from ls pci ?
[13:34:30] <pcw_home> no, sserial is part of hm2
[13:34:51] <IchGuckLive> what does it the I7O
[13:35:00] <IchGuckLive> I/O
[13:35:55] <pcw_home> yes the field I/O (that line also enabled the expansion port)
[13:36:51] <pcw_home> sserial_port_0=0 would work also
[13:36:54] <andypugh> You can skip the sserial_port section I think, and it all gets enabled. Certainly that was the intention.
[13:36:54] <IchGuckLive> are there numbers for the xxxx or is it as you wrote
[13:37:06] <andypugh> "x" means "disable"
[13:37:29] <pcw_home> X means disable the channel
[13:38:49] <IchGuckLive> ok so if i do not need encoders at all just CONFIG="num_stepgens=5"
[13:39:00] <IchGuckLive> or do i need to tell endoders =
[13:39:06] <IchGuckLive> Zero
[13:39:54] <pcw_home> In general I think its better to disable the unused sserial channels so if you end up using then as GPIO the do not wobble around during the probe
[13:40:14] <IchGuckLive> Thanks fpr your help waiting for the part to arrive from oversea
[13:40:22] <pcw_home> same for encoders, i'd turn them off
[13:41:04] <pcw_home> (so you dont waste CPU I/O cycles reading something you will not use)
[13:41:38] <roycroft> folks - i still have some research to do on my cnc conversion, and cad drawings to make before i can fit the ball screws to my mill (and some tuning-up to do on my lathe so i can turn the ballscrew ends)
[13:41:45] <mrsun> hmm, i need manual running for the mill
[13:41:52] <mrsun> so i can use it without gcode also =)
[13:42:04] <mrsun> that is manual using the steppers but wheels to turn to move the steppers =)
[13:42:09] <roycroft> does it make sense to you to get my motors and encoders and work get the motors working prior to finishing the work on the mill itself?
[13:42:32] <IchGuckLive> ah so only 4 inputs 0-4 is sserial_port_0=50xxxxxx
[13:42:39] <roycroft> it seems i could mount the motors on a board and hook everything up for testing while working in parellel on the mill conversion
[13:42:48] * roycroft does not want this to take until fall
[13:43:09] <roycroft> i talked to a friend and he said to install the ball screws first, and work my way back to the computer
[13:43:23] <roycroft> he was quite emphatic about that, but could not give a good justification for that methodology
[13:46:25] <andypugh> No, set up the motors on the bench and make sure it all works as expected.
[13:46:34] <roycroft> thanks
[13:46:46] <roycroft> the reason i was given is that "it's the logical way to do it"
[13:46:52] <roycroft> and i did not buy that :)
[13:47:06] <andypugh> You can do the electrical/computer setup in the house during the evening, and the machine work in the workshop when the weather is decent
[13:47:14] <roycroft> right
[13:47:22] <roycroft> that's what i'm planning on doing
[13:47:35] <roycroft> the computer is in my printer room right now, and i have to deal with the touch screen still
[13:47:46] <andypugh> Machining ballscrew ends might need CBN tooling.
[13:47:47] <roycroft> then i'll move it to my electronics bench, and get the motors hooked up
[13:48:01] <roycroft> i believe i can order them with the ends annealed
[13:48:29] <roycroft> if not, they're only case hardened
[13:48:48] <roycroft> i could hook a grinder up to my lathe and grind away the hardened part
[13:49:00] <roycroft> i could also use carbide tooling
[13:49:07] <andypugh> Well, CBN tooling is available from eBay, and you can get a really good finish (you just need ludicrous surface speed, like higher than even alumnium)
[13:49:36] <andypugh> red-hot swarf and sparks is the order of the day
[13:49:48] <roycroft> sounds like a good time!
[13:50:04] * roycroft will be sure to wear short sleeves, so he can savor the smell of burning arm hair
[13:50:59] <andypugh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLpv3x0hlck
[13:51:39] <Loetmichel> *hrmpf* Vacuum dust bag is too small... 5 bases done, second time i have to empty the vacuum... i should build such a "cyclone" type Duster...
[13:51:52] <andypugh> Is how it should look.
[13:51:54] <andypugh> http://youtu.be/IPP4r3H2VO8
[13:51:57] <andypugh> Is what I got
[13:53:04] <roycroft> thanks! that was a nice exciting pre-lunch video
[13:53:07] <archivist> roycroft, I got motors running a long time before the hardware was ready, that way tests are more meaningful when you get to mount a motor
[13:53:59] <Connor> andypugh: Follow rest ?
[13:54:55] <andypugh> I got a good result late with a smaller cut, this is the same part.
https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ajPl1y4hNjLTSUjmdbzQUdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink
[13:55:18] <roycroft> the only reason i can see for working back from the ball screws is on an unknown device, where one would need to test to see how much torque is required to move each axis, so that the correct motor size can be calculated
[13:55:38] <Connor> I saw something about using ceramic inserts?
[13:55:39] <roycroft> the conversion i'm doing is pretty well-known, and the motors that folks usually use are overrated anyway
[13:55:42] <andypugh> You don't really need the ballscrews for that though.
[13:56:02] <andypugh> Connor: That is a ceramic insert, Cubic Boron Nitride
[13:56:03] <Connor> roycroft: what are you converting ?
[13:56:08] <roycroft> x3
[13:56:09] <archivist> roycroft, there are some calcs on the wiki for torque and acceleration somewhere
[13:56:11] <roycroft> the grizzly version
[13:56:45] <archivist> andypugh, you need a travelling steady :)
[13:57:13] <andypugh> archivist: A CNC one that auto-increments?
[13:58:24] <archivist> stop between cuts to adjust
[13:59:45] <ReadError> roycroft: you got a mill?
[13:59:45] <FinboySlick> archivist: Don't be so practical, you're taking away reasons to automate stuff.
[14:00:55] <Connor> Well.. a Follow Rest is what's needed.. it attaches to the saddle.. and moves with it.
[14:00:58] <archivist> er is my getting stuff made with what you have showing
[14:01:29] <archivist> Connor, other name is travelling steady :)
[14:16:00] <andypugh> What I really needed was a bigger spindle through-bore
[14:21:33] <skunkworks> sounds like a girlfriend that takes a lot of trips..
[14:23:08] <Jymmm> O_o
[14:45:04] <JT-Shop> or your girlfriend when your on the road
[14:45:36] <puff> What distro do people generally prefer for running the tools to generate the gcode?
[14:46:14] <puff> I'm generally a debian/ubuntu guy; a friend is more into fedora but has had problems getting tools to run on fedora.
[14:47:36] <archivist> puff you can get away with just an editor so anything basicly
[14:48:12] <JT-Shop> puff: which tools?
[14:53:34] * roycroft uses openbsd mostly, but will whatever os the tools he uses prefer in a vm
[14:53:55] <roycroft> will use, rather
[14:56:17] <JT-Shop> I use gedit
[14:57:48] <Tom_itx> ok mounted my caps to the boards finally
[14:58:06] <Tom_itx> now to mount them to the supply somehow
[15:05:44] <JT-Shop> I got the fuel tank made from an old 1 gal pump up sprayer... now to get the power pack to start!
[15:07:03] <archivist> JT-Shop, kit generator?
[15:08:21] <JT-Shop> yea
[15:08:32] <archivist> more fun then
[15:08:46] <JT-Shop> let me take a photo so you can have a good chuckle or three
[15:11:48] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/212514
[15:12:28] <skunkworks> wow - where did that come from?
[15:12:37] <skunkworks> mad max?
[15:12:48] <archivist> that is fun :), mine had its first run on the trailer when I got it too
[15:13:44] <archivist> I hope the governor is good to keep it at 60cs
[15:17:22] <JT-Shop> ha there is no tach on it so I'll have to use my multi meter to set the RPM
[15:18:00] <JT-Shop> it's a power pack that is used by farmers to pump water out of the wells
[15:18:26] <archivist> lack of large flywheel so may have fun with surges
[15:18:49] <JT-Shop> the flywheel is under the cover with the clutch
[15:19:19] <JT-Shop> heck I only have to run it 15-20 minutes to prove a point then back it goes to the farmer friend
[15:19:54] <JT-Shop> he thinks the generator came from a tug boat
[15:20:17] <JT-Shop> anyone spot the vise grips yet?
[15:21:34] <alex4nder> hey
[15:22:21] <archivist> JT-Shop, on the gen mid lower left
[15:23:27] <archivist> and looking on that, I probably missed about 6 pairs
[15:25:14] <JT-Shop> only two are holding the battery cables on right above the tyres
[15:25:48] <mrsun> can you inject gcode from the outside to linuxcnc ?
[15:25:50] <JT-Shop> those are the leads from the generator
[15:25:56] <JT-Shop> yep
[15:26:24] <JT-Shop> mrsun: yep
[15:26:30] <mrsun> hmm ok =)
[15:26:51] <JT-Shop> know where the simple g code generators are on the wiki?
[15:27:21] <mrsun> JT-Shop, nop ? :)
[15:27:35] <JT-Shop> know where the wiki is?
[15:27:43] <mrsun> i guess i can find it :P
[15:27:53] <JT-Shop> 1/2 way down the main page
[15:28:43] <JT-Shop> most of them inject code into Axis, just look at the source code
[15:29:20] <mrsun> is it the pendants you mean ?
[15:29:41] <JT-Shop> no, using linuxcnc, simple g code generators
[15:29:48] <mrsun> aha ok, thanks =)
[15:30:00] <JT-Shop> you need this > IN_AXIS = os.environ.has_key("AXIS_PROGRESS_BAR")
[15:30:21] <JT-Shop> and this def WriteToAxis(self):
[15:30:21] <JT-Shop> sys.stdout.write(self.g_code.get(0.0, END))
[15:30:21] <JT-Shop> self.quit()
[15:31:02] <JT-Shop> wow that was close to the cut and paste trigger
[15:31:17] <mrsun> hehe =)
[15:32:03] <JT-Shop> the above is python...
[15:33:13] <mrsun> hmm just remembered that linuxcnc has the function i want using the keyboard :P
[15:33:20] <mrsun> arrowkeys and page up/down
[15:33:24] <mrsun> to run the axises =)
[15:35:01] <mrsun> ofc, moving wheels feels more "real" =)
[15:36:10] <archivist> JT-Shop, should we post your pic on thereifixedit as a redneck special :)
[15:46:12] <JT-Shop> LOL
[15:56:28] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:10:39] <Jymmm> Does jbweld work good on bonding metals to plastics?
[16:12:38] <syyl> jbweld is good for almost everything :D
[16:12:54] <syyl> but there are many plastics that can not be glued
[17:15:39] <L84Supper> some plastics are more difficult than others but it generally just takes some pre-treatment to get them to bond, flame, plasma or corona treatment to get the surface energy up
[17:16:06] <L84Supper> there are adhesives for PTFE as well
[17:40:11] <elmo40> or VHB tape :)
[17:42:55] * JT-Shop ponders how to hold this part to start machining it
[17:48:41] <andypugh> It doesn't matter how you hold a part to start machining it. What matters is how you ar holding it when you finish.
[17:49:53] <elmo40> andypugh: well, sort of ;)
[17:50:08] <elmo40> JT-Shop: what does it look like? any holes going into it?
[18:07:53] <JT-Shop> just a second and I'll get a photo of it
[18:07:53] <andypugh> Neat toolchanger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzR6L3lEXdM (if you are not desperate for rigidity, I suspect)
[18:08:28] <elmo40> nothing wrong with the rigidity
[18:08:36] <elmo40> the tooling is real light anyways ;)
[18:09:21] <elmo40> and the red release pulls back ball bearings
[18:09:55] <elmo40> those bearing pull up on tip and the taper does all the holding, like a regular machine only smaller
[18:10:22] <elmo40> im not a fan of them being open to chips, mind you ;)
[18:11:02] <JT-Shop> http://imagebin.org/212543
[18:11:50] <andypugh> It seems to extend a long woy out of the spindle though?
[18:12:49] <JT-Shop> must be a ball lock thingy
[18:12:56] <andypugh> It would be easy to have a pivoting shield that was simply pushed out of the way, to keep the swarf out.
[18:14:51] <andypugh> At some point I need to work out how to get the tools into my millng spindle. I have the drawbar, but can't decide beween an arm, rack or umbrella changer.
[18:15:32] <andypugh> I might just leave it manual, the pneumatic drawbar was largely to avoid messing about with spanners.
[18:16:01] <JT-Shop> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQhfcdQf1QA
[18:19:03] <JT-Shop> seems the mounting pads have the least amount of excess material...
[18:23:24] <JT-Shop> elmo40:
http://imagebin.org/212543
[18:30:20] <andypugh> JT-Shop: Bar through the middle and V-blocks to skim the feet, then use the feet?
[18:31:44] <r00t4rd3d> packing tape
[18:31:44] <andypugh> Or, if you have a belt-sander, just flatten the feet
[18:31:46] <JT-Shop> hmmm, I have some V jaws for the vise
[18:32:17] <JT-Shop> you think bore it on the lathe first to some std dimension?
[18:33:11] <andypugh> Maybe, but then I would probably bore the bore with a boring head in a mill.
[18:33:11] <JT-Shop> then put a bar through center to level feet?
[18:34:09] <andypugh> If you can get it in a 4-jaw chuck fairly centred then you could face-off the flange face and sit it on that.
[18:35:55] <JT-Shop> why would you use the boring head on the mill vs boring it on the lathe?
[18:35:58] <JT-Shop> just wondering
[18:36:16] <andypugh> I paid a lot of money for the boring heads
[18:37:03] <andypugh> Really, just because I have a lot more hold-down options on a mill table than in a chuck. If you have a faceplate, then it's different.
[18:43:07] <JT-Shop> I don't have a faceplate just a 4 jaw and a 3 jaw that I never use... well and a 5c collet closer too
[18:44:54] <andypugh> I use the 3-jaw quite a lot. Have you tested it? I think they have an underservedly bad reputation
[18:46:27] <JT-Shop> the 3 jaw is ok if you don't need to start exactly so to speak on center
[18:46:38] <JT-Shop> it's a Bison so it is ok
[18:47:17] <JT-Shop> I've learned to indicate a part in the 4 jaw in just a few seconds so I never take it off anymore
[18:47:50] <elmo40> JT-Shop: do you have an A-axis on a cnc mill? :)
[18:49:34] <elmo40> it has a 1.5" through hole?
[18:50:12] <elmo40> make the hole and the large face. flip it and make the back face, if you even have to.
[18:50:33] <elmo40> then with both faces done you can hold it in a vice and do the feet
[18:51:09] <elmo40> then with flat feet against the vice you can do the 6 holes
[18:53:04] <JT-Shop> yea, the cast is just a tad under 1.25" for the hole and the flange is way big too
[18:53:43] <elmo40> flange needs to be 2.75, how large is it now?
[18:55:02] <JT-Shop> 3"
[18:55:10] <elmo40> iron?
[18:55:17] <JT-Shop> cast iron yes
[18:55:29] <JT-Shop> it's a steam engine
[18:55:41] <JT-Shop> I'm used to square parts you know
[19:02:34] <JT-Shop> I have learned to drill slowly through funny areas
[19:14:29] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: Is that like a square needle in the testicals?
[19:19:35] <JT-Shop> lol
[19:19:50] <JT-Shop> say goodnight Gracie
[19:19:59] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: hey
[19:20:10] <Jymmm> JT-Shop: My fuse is on it's way =)
[19:20:43] <djdelorie> on its way in, or on its way out?
[19:21:20] <Jymmm> Heh, well I ordered waterprood fuse, so I hope it's not on it's way out =)
[19:21:33] <Jymmm> proof even
[19:21:47] <Jymmm> the shit still keps burning underwater
[19:24:11] <andypugh> Lets's hope you don't need to put it out.
[19:35:07] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/uTFJU.jpg
[19:38:56] <Jymmm> I have metal buckets with lids for that =)
[20:21:34] <r00t4rd3d> http://i.imgur.com/aXIyk.jpg
[20:21:54] <r00t4rd3d> 2nd floor done
[20:23:06] <alex4nder> yoh
[20:28:05] <r00t4rd3d> the album so far:
[20:28:05] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/lD0Xz
[20:28:28] <r00t4rd3d> i had more pics but accidentally deleted them
[20:30:59] <r00t4rd3d> only 3 of us building that
[20:31:16] <r00t4rd3d> 500k house
[20:37:53] <elmo40> r00t4rd3d: what I don't like about styrofoam and poured concrete is how you do the electrical if you wanna change the layout of something.
[20:38:02] <elmo40> you have to melt away the foam!
[20:38:13] <elmo40> there goes your ARE-value for that specific spot on the wall.
[20:38:24] <r00t4rd3d> yup
[20:38:41] <elmo40> interior, sure, no biggie, but external walls? that kinda defeats the purpose of it all
[20:39:18] <r00t4rd3d> most walls will have a 2x4 wall on them
[20:39:57] <r00t4rd3d> you can screw drywall right to it though if you choose and melt your electrical lines in.
[20:40:26] <r00t4rd3d> then you just refill the gap with spray foam and retain your R value
[20:40:55] <alex4nder> ReadError / joe9 :
http://youtu.be/zYD69fTGxxI
[20:41:01] <alex4nder> Taig Micro Mill w/ CNC Conversion - Spiral Milling Aluminum Using Coolant
[20:42:11] <r00t4rd3d> the Styrofoam walls is actually the basement.
[20:42:21] <r00t4rd3d> a lot of that will be backfilled
[20:42:58] <elmo40> why not the main walls, too?
[20:43:33] <r00t4rd3d> its getting 6 more rows of the block then we goto wood
[20:44:03] <r00t4rd3d> 6 rows is like 9 feet high
[20:44:58] <elmo40> alex4nder: is that conventional milling? why?
[20:45:26] <alex4nder> yes. why not?
[20:45:54] <elmo40> on purpose?
[20:46:10] <elmo40> r00t4rd3d: I see windows, that is also the main floor that is styrofoam ;)
[20:46:18] <alex4nder> elmo40: focus on the coolant setup. ;)
[20:46:25] <elmo40> alex4nder: you have ballscrews, no?
[20:46:29] <alex4nder> no
[20:46:35] <Jymmm> elmo40: Hard difficult is it to design the electrical in advance for expansion purposes?
[20:46:41] <Jymmm> s/Hard/How/
[20:47:00] <ReadError> hey alex4nder
[20:47:06] <ReadError> bout to cut my 1st aluminum
[20:47:11] <ReadError> should i open her up to 10k ?
[20:47:17] <elmo40> Jymmm: not overly, just use conduit and fish 14/3 everywhere instead of 14/2 ;)
[20:47:24] <alex4nder> ReadError: I'd stick to around 3k
[20:47:28] <elmo40> ReadError: what size of bit?
[20:47:32] <ReadError> i couldnt find spec sheets
[20:47:34] <alex4nder> you can mill it as fast as you want
[20:47:40] <ReadError> 1/8th
[20:47:45] <ReadError> square endmill
[20:47:48] <alex4nder> but give yourself a chance to not break something
[20:47:52] <Jymmm> elmo40: Well, you have to think unconventionally if you are using unconventional materials
[20:47:56] <ReadError> 3F
[20:48:23] <ReadError> im right above the middle
[20:48:26] <Jymmm> elmo40: Just invest in a simple hot wire foam cutter =)
[20:48:27] <ReadError> 3rd from the top
[20:48:29] <alex4nder> that's fine
[20:48:44] <alex4nder> ReadError: that coolant video I just posted is the fastest I've milled aluminum
[20:49:20] <Jymmm> elmo40: and 14/3? Ha! 10/3 =)
[20:49:36] <Jymmm> elmo40: 40A to the stereo =)
[20:49:59] <elmo40> lmao
[20:50:05] <elmo40> that will be EXPENSIVE!
[20:50:24] <ReadError> should i go for like 7imp ?
[20:50:39] <alex4nder> test it
[20:50:43] <alex4nder> before you just run the program
[20:50:51] <Jymmm> elmo40: onyl downsie is the outlets
[20:50:55] <Jymmm> downside
[20:51:04] <ReadError> alex4nder, I have 3 times
[20:51:08] <ReadError> but on different materials
[20:51:18] <ReadError> pvc before, now i figured good path, try metal
[20:51:21] <alex4nder> I'm talking about the material
[20:51:29] <Jymmm> elmo40: I really do think 14 is way too small. I can only imagine jsut the thermal loss alone
[20:51:44] <alex4nder> ReadError: shave off a square edge at the same DoC, spindle speed, and feed rate, and see what the mill sounds like
[20:53:19] <elmo40> ReadError: I hope your not using PVC for testing feeds and speeds, only tool path.
[20:53:40] <elmo40> Jymmm: I take it your 110V. that is the problem
[20:53:52] <Jymmm> elmo40: you plug in a rice or slow cooker, the cable is hot to warm to the touch. To me, that's just waster kW hours
[20:54:04] <Jymmm> wasted
[20:54:06] <elmo40> 110V is high current. with 220V (europe) current load is far less
[20:54:31] <Jymmm> maybe, only thing around here 220 is the dryer
[20:55:04] <elmo40> ok, there is a Huge difference to stranded cord and solid wire ;)
[20:55:33] <Jymmm> Sure, but I've had open walls and the solid gets warm too =)
[20:56:08] <Jymmm> not as much of course
[20:58:14] <archivist> JT-Shop, adjustable angle plate to face the end then bore to outside of casting then mount on arbour to do other end
http://www.rdgtools.co.uk/acatalog/MYFORD_LATHE_USERS_NEW1.html
[20:59:19] <elmo40> Jymmm: do you have a 20A breaker on a 15A line? :-P
[20:59:49] <alex4nder> ReadError: did you press play?
[21:00:01] <Jymmm> elmo40: Of course not silly... 40A breaker on a 10A line =)
[21:00:16] <elmo40> ah, much gooder.
[21:00:23] <Jymmm> exactly
[21:01:08] <Valen> in theory if your stranded has the same cross sectional area of copper it will carry current better due to the skin effect
[21:01:19] <ReadError> ya
[21:01:20] <ReadError> she ran
[21:01:20] <Valen> but it would need to be physically larger
[21:01:24] <ReadError> came out nice
[21:01:28] <ReadError> did it at like 3.4
[21:01:51] <alex4nder> ReadError: did you see the loc-line stup?
[21:01:53] <alex4nder> er setup
[21:02:51] <elmo40> Valen: the skin effect is only beneficial at 10kV or higher
[21:02:58] <elmo40> and at higher frequencies
[21:03:04] <Valen> i didn't say it would be a *big* effect
[21:03:10] <elmo40> ;)
[21:03:25] <Valen> i don't think the voltage actually has anything to do with it, its just frequency
[21:03:44] <Valen> but it does matter even at 50hz, on long transmission lines
[21:04:11] <Valen> " At 60 Hz in copper, the skin depth is about 8.5 mm"
[21:04:12] <elmo40> long transmission lines are bumped up to 15kV or higher
[21:04:23] <Valen> doesn't change the point
[21:04:31] <Valen> skin effect would still happen at 1v
[21:07:16] <ReadError> nice alex4nder
[21:07:30] <ReadError> the fan type one rinse the shaving away?
[21:08:04] <alex4nder> yah, that's the idea
[21:08:14] <alex4nder> but I'm going to reposition them.
[21:10:22] <ReadError> you gonna damn off the end with the motor?
[21:10:33] <ReadError> ide be worried about it getting in/around it
[21:10:59] <alex4nder> the motor?
[21:11:05] <alex4nder> oh, spray up in it?
[21:11:11] <alex4nder> or you talking the stepper
[21:13:47] <alex4nder> I don't know how that's going to turn out,.. I'm just keeping everything well oiled.
[21:16:23] <Jymmm> elmo40: Screen?! Hell the power cord is bigger than it is!
[21:16:56] <elmo40> I love wget! makes my life so much easier ;)
[21:18:44] <Valen> somebody bitching about screen?
[21:19:37] <Valen> rebooted during it by the look of things
[21:20:16] <Jymmm> Valen:
[21:20:24] <Jymmm> 012-05-15 19:04:19 Jymmm: Man, this thing is HUGE...
http://dx.com/mini-m1-gsm-bar-phone-w-1-2-tft-lcd-single-sim-and-quadband-black-128203
[21:20:24] <Jymmm> 2012-05-15 19:04:20 Valen has left IRC (Quit: Leaving.)
[21:20:24] <Jymmm> 2012-05-15 19:05:03 alex4nder: hah
[21:20:24] <Jymmm> 2012-05-15 19:05:19 elmo40: wow, TINY screen!
[21:21:28] <Valen> http://dx.com/1-3-touch-screen-wrist-watch-style-quadband-gsm-cell-phone-black-71488?item=1 bigger screen i spose but cooler packagaging
[21:23:11] <Jymmm> no pic of the kybd
[21:23:30] <elmo40> with SIRI who needs a kb?
[21:23:33] <Valen> theres ones with no keyboard
[21:23:36] <Valen> just touch screen
[21:23:57] <Jymmm> Valen: you didnt link to that, now did you =)
[21:24:27] <Valen> http://dx.com/tw818-gsm-wrist-watch-phone-w-1-4-resistive-1-3mega-camera-quad-band-and-java-black-128503?item=12 classy
[21:24:59] <elmo40> Java? ewww.
[21:25:25] <elmo40> wow, even has a camera!
[21:25:35] <elmo40> these chinese are creative bunch
[21:25:46] <Jymmm> so how do you drive and talk at the same time with the headphone cord connected to your wrist?
[21:26:15] <Valen> dick tracy has become reality
[21:26:31] <elmo40> Jymmm: no bluetooth?
[21:26:34] <Valen> though I think you only get a few hours of standby with them
[21:26:53] <Valen> wth do you need bluetooth for?
[21:26:55] <Jymmm> Valen: I *THINK* dick tracy had video phone, no?
[21:27:04] <Jymmm> Valen: no wires
[21:27:11] <Valen> there are ones that will do it (video calling) i believe
[21:27:14] <elmo40> lmao. just like the French ;)
[21:27:16] <elmo40> Batteries:1 x 300mAh battery (claimed as 500mAh)
[21:27:22] <elmo40> claim more then what you really are...
[21:27:25] <Jymmm> but at 550mAh I doubt it last long
[21:27:38] <Valen> actually 500ma wouldn't do too bad
[21:27:44] <elmo40> it isn't!
[21:27:47] <elmo40> read the specs
[21:27:50] <elmo40> only 300
[21:27:52] <Valen> i know that
[21:28:24] <elmo40> I won't buy it, no TV tuner... come on, add everything!
[21:28:27] <elmo40> lol
[21:28:44] <Valen> point i was making is my phone has a 2.5Ah battery, and a 5.3" display and a dual core CPU, it only uses ~30% of the battery during the day
[21:28:47] <Jymmm> elmo40: you need a crypto card for HBO silly!
[21:29:12] <Valen> you can have the one with the dish you need to aim
[21:29:17] <Jymmm> elmo40: and you have to hold the watch REALLY REALLY STILL while aiming it at the right satellite =)
[21:29:22] <Valen> i'll take the FTA version
[21:29:34] <Jymmm> FTA?
[21:29:39] <Jymmm> or OTA ?
[21:29:55] <elmo40> OTW
[21:30:00] <elmo40> NSA
[21:30:02] <elmo40> LED
[21:30:11] <Valen> so my phone uses 750ma in ~12 hours with wifi and everything running all the time
[21:30:21] <elmo40> what phone?
[21:30:25] <Valen> i can see a 300ma battery lasting an evening
[21:30:28] <Valen> galaxy note
[21:30:30] <Jymmm> Becasue FTA is all that foreighn shit that nobody gives a damn about.
[21:30:46] <Valen> Jymmm: not everybody lives in America
[21:30:48] <elmo40> ya, screw foreigners. :-P
[21:30:57] <Valen> most people here don't have cable or satellite
[21:31:11] <elmo40> who watches TV anymore these days?
[21:31:15] <Jymmm> Valen: do you have indoor plumbing?
[21:31:16] <elmo40> youtube the NEWS ;)
[21:31:40] <Valen> Jymmm: well, mostly, though you do have to go out the back door to get to the toilet
[21:32:06] <Jymmm> Valen: Well, that's close enough. So watcha bitchin bout then?
[21:32:12] <Valen> i'm not
[21:32:21] <Valen> your the one who needs to pay for tv that doesn't suck
[21:32:49] <Jymmm> Valen: I'm talkng that FTA shit, it sucks in any language =)
[21:33:11] <Valen> FTA tv here has pretty much all the decent shows on it
[21:33:17] <Valen> and we dont need to pay to watch ads
[21:33:24] <Jymmm> I wish I spoke Spanish, they have some really funny shows =)
[21:33:43] <Jymmm> define decent? Gomer Pyle type stuff?
[21:34:01] <Valen> my friends have paytv, and all they have is more repeats of mythbusters
[21:34:07] <Valen> old ones at that
[21:34:08] <Jymmm> "The plane! That Plane!"
[21:34:17] <Valen> they are like 2 years behind FTA
[21:34:23] <Jymmm> ah
[21:36:32] <Valen> http://pastebin.com/hYVYC1HU is the stuff my PVR has been told to record, at some point
[21:37:28] <Jymmm> A Bug's Life is a movie
[21:37:41] <Jymmm> how are you getting that from fTA ?
[21:38:12] <elmo40> I get most of that with Netflix
[21:38:19] <elmo40> well, some ;)
[21:38:25] <Valen> Jymmm: by living in australia
[21:38:38] <elmo40> what is Brave New World with Stephen Hawking
[21:38:54] <Valen> generic science doco series
[21:39:01] <Valen> "narrated" by him
[21:39:20] <Jymmm> Valen: What, they broadcast motion picture movies on FTA ?
[21:39:21] <Valen> or with a foreward/afterward by him
[21:39:23] <Jymmm> Police Academy 3: Back in Training
[21:39:35] <Valen> they ran the whole series
[21:39:42] <Valen> i like the russian one myself
[21:39:43] <Jymmm> not the best movies, but still
[21:39:51] <Valen> avatar was on last week
[21:40:02] <Jymmm> Valen: ful length?
[21:40:09] <Valen> no they showed half of it
[21:40:14] <Valen> of course full length
[21:40:30] <Jymmm> Valen: No, they have "made for TV" variations of them too
[21:40:38] <Jymmm> time compressed
[21:40:39] <Valen> actually most of the movies aren't shown in that list because they are "record only one showing"
[21:41:07] <Valen> Avatar MV76319362 Sun Apr 15, 2012 (08:30 PM) Default 4 hrs 10 mins
[21:41:09] <Jymmm> Valen: and this is all FTA, no subscription fees?
[21:41:16] <Valen> yes ffs
[21:41:30] <Valen> i have an antenna pointed at the transmission towers
[21:41:50] <Valen> the stuff on ABC doesn't even have any ads
[21:41:55] <Valen> SBS only has 2 an hour
[21:42:47] <Valen> http://www.yourtv.com.au/guide/sydney/ there's the tv guide for tonight
[21:43:03] <Valen> actually for now
[21:44:02] <Jymmm> We have jack shit in US
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-to-air#North_America
[21:44:09] <alex4nder> ok
[21:44:22] <Jymmm> Guberment or JeeBus, that's about it
[21:44:52] <Valen> that stuff is all on satellite too
[21:46:01] <Valen> ours is all terrestrial
[21:47:54] <Valen> Jymmm: tonight looks like a pretty light night in some respects lol. with the mythtv setup we normally get enough to have a show or two for both me and the missus each night
[21:50:09] <ReadError> i think when i profile cut, i should bolt the piece down
[21:50:18] <ReadError> since it seems to rattle around once it gets almost cut
[21:50:28] <ReadError> just 1 bolt through it with a t-nut
[21:50:47] <djdelorie> no tags?
[21:51:29] <Valen> you need to hang onto the bits you cut out too
[21:51:38] <Valen> they can come loose and jam the cutter
[21:51:42] <Valen> make it go boom
[22:02:38] <jdhNC> Connor?
[22:12:04] <cncjerry> anybody on that can help with an install question?
[22:12:33] <cncjerry> ?
[22:13:15] <jdhNC> ask the question and find out.
[22:14:35] <cncjerry> I had a very old version that I used for years - It blew up when I tried to do some updates. so I downloaded what I thought was the livecd. I booted it and everything looked ok. so I installed it using the windows installer
[22:14:59] <cncjerry> when it booted, it went back into install. so I quit out of it and everytime I boot, it goes back to install.
[22:15:12] <Valen> windows installer?
[22:15:18] <cncjerry> anyway, quiting seems to work, but no emc2 or linuxcnc made it.
[22:15:40] <cncjerry> yes, there is an installer on the cd that you execute from windows. it makes virtual disks.
[22:15:55] <cncjerry> my prior install worked that way
[22:16:16] <Valen> its an unusual way of doing it
[22:16:18] <cncjerry> I assume its main benefit is that you don't need a partition
[22:16:31] <Valen> most people have a dedicated CnC box
[22:16:51] <cncjerry> I have an dedicated box but I run MACH3 sometimes.
[22:17:04] <Valen> if you know what your doing (and it sounds like you do) I'd try just blowing it away and doing a regular side by side install
[22:17:12] <cncjerry> so I boot windows or linux, mostly just linux.
[22:17:32] <jdhNC> but, you are running linux loopback off a win* FS?
[22:17:38] <cncjerry> the problem is this machine has three 80gig hard drives, all somewhat full
[22:17:55] <Valen> where are you in the world?
[22:18:08] <jdhNC> so, it installed ubuntu, but not LinuxCNC?
[22:18:09] <cncjerry> I am in california
[22:18:19] <Valen> ahh, bit far to send you a hdd then lol
[22:18:30] <Valen> australia
[22:18:43] <cncjerry> yes, it installed the new version of ubuntu but not linuxcnc.
[22:19:16] <cncjerry> it almost seems like it downloaded something for 35minutes of highspeed dsl, maybe a linux version that was not off the cd???
[22:19:45] <Valen> its entirley possible
[22:19:53] <jdhNC> no clue. Did it install an rtai kernel?
[22:19:57] <cncjerry> so I started the wubi (i think that is the installer under windows) then it went and downloaded something for 35 minutes.
[22:20:10] <jdhNC> did you specify what to install?
[22:21:06] <cncjerry> I did this version just like the prior. you run the installer from the cd, it installs linux along with the emc2 app in the past, I expected it to install linuxcnc this time
[22:21:55] <cncjerry> it installed it down to an NTFS drive, boots ok but still runs an install scrip
[22:22:25] <cncjerry> I guess I have to start over.
[22:22:36] <jdhNC> I'd start over (with a real partition)
[22:22:37] <cncjerry> I doubt it installed the correct kernel
[22:22:53] <cncjerry> pita
[22:23:21] <cncjerry> at least I was able to recover all my config files. the machine has been down for two days though.
[22:23:42] <cncjerry> so I guess the livecd isn't so live, is it?
[22:23:59] <jdhNC> how so?
[22:24:12] <jdhNC> boot the livecd, it works fine.
[22:24:18] <cncjerry> worked in the past using wubi.
[22:24:29] <jdhNC> that's not really a live cd, that's a windows app
[22:24:47] <Valen> i think its probably safe to say that you are the only person to have run EMC that way lol
[22:24:47] <cncjerry> if you boot the cd and take the install option, it looks like it only installs to a partition.
[22:24:57] <jdhNC> correct.
[22:24:59] <cncjerry> i must admit, I was one of the first
[22:25:08] <jdhNC> the way god intended.
[22:25:35] <jdhNC> or at least the way some guy intended.
[22:25:36] <cncjerry> I've been using version 2.2.8 for a number of years. I had made a bunch of mods to axis which kept me from upgrading
[22:25:50] <jdhNC> submit patches!
[22:25:57] <cncjerry> duh.
[22:26:14] <cncjerry> we don't need no stinkin patches
[22:26:28] <cncjerry> the patch process got in the way of progress.
[22:27:03] <cncjerry> I added a bunch of homing commands, keyboard short cuts for speed of jog, etc, etc.
[22:27:16] <jdhNC> what homing commands?
[22:27:37] <cncjerry> goog question, the version I had only had one button.
[22:27:51] <cncjerry> more like touchoff commands based on quadrant
[22:28:24] <cncjerry> I also wanted two speed jog plus incremental like MACH3 or I think turbocnc had it first.
[22:28:34] <cncjerry> cradek would remember me. this was years ago.
[22:29:44] <cncjerry> there were a bunch of changes related to my 4th axis as well. anyway, I ran 2.2.8 since it came out, wanted to add some UI hardware and other buttons using serial usb, thought I would start to upgrade,
[22:29:56] <cncjerry> the upgrade of the kernel bombed out.
[22:29:59] <cncjerry> so here I am
[22:30:56] <cncjerry> so I guess I have to move things around, make a partition, etc. see ya when that doesn't work :-)
[22:31:17] <Valen> you could also try in dedicated ubuntu #s
[22:31:26] <Valen> its a linux problem more than an emc one
[22:31:40] <cncjerry> I agree, but I would have thought I wasn't the only one.
[22:31:52] <jdhNC> never heard of wubi
[22:31:53] <cncjerry> thanks for trying.
[22:32:28] <jdhNC> how about a $50 disk?
[22:32:33] <cncjerry> neither had I. I actually am not sure if it is still even wubi. I have to look at the CD again. I think the real problem started when it did that 35 min download
[22:33:05] <cncjerry> I have disks around, that isn't the problem. the problem is the box is full.
[22:33:18] <jdhNC> I ran some USB stick loader for linuxcnc. The first time, I picked 10.04whatever, and it d/l and installed plain old 10.04
[22:33:41] <jdhNC> next time, I pointed it to my already transferred iso
[22:33:46] <cncjerry> I am going to boot back into windows. maybe there was an option.
[22:34:12] <cncjerry> I ran the installer, I don't remember if there was an option after that.
[22:34:23] <cncjerry> see you later. machine is in the shop.
[22:34:38] <r00t4rd3d> what happens when you try and boot to ubuntu?
[22:35:02] <r00t4rd3d> kernel panic?
[22:47:44] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/cnc/psu/caps1.jpg
[22:58:44] <Valen> Tom_itx: are those sposed to look dented like that?
[23:39:05] <Connor> jdhNC: Yea? What's up?
