#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-05-04

[00:00:29] <Aero-Tec> hello
[00:00:37] <Aero-Tec> need help
[00:01:00] <Aero-Tec> working on converting mach Gcode to EMC2
[00:01:28] <Aero-Tec> it keeps say something about a % at the code end
[00:01:38] <Aero-Tec> I have m2
[00:01:56] <Aero-Tec> %
[00:02:07] <Aero-Tec> at the end
[00:28:06] <Connor> Was just trying to cut threads using the mill...
[00:28:29] <Connor> It would cut a few passes okay.. but then loose sync or something and mess up the threads..
[00:28:40] <Connor> but sure if it's backlash in the Z, or the sync is off.. or what..
[00:29:25] <Connor> I have to say though, after using my mill manually for all this time, watching it do something on it's own is just damn cool.
[00:29:44] <Connor> especially on a process I couldn't possible do manually.
[00:35:49] <KimK> Aero-Tec: Did you get it figured out?
[00:36:21] <Aero-Tec> not yet
[00:36:32] <Aero-Tec> not sure whats up
[00:36:35] <KimK> Aero-Tec: It sounds like it wants you to remove the %, have you tried that?
[00:36:44] <Aero-Tec> yes
[00:36:48] <Aero-Tec> just m2
[00:36:59] <Aero-Tec> did m30 as well
[00:37:07] <Aero-Tec> whats the best one to use?
[00:37:56] <Aero-Tec> I have a wack of subs as well in it
[00:38:32] <Aero-Tec> tried several %
[00:38:57] <Aero-Tec> it complains about the % not being there
[00:39:04] <Aero-Tec> but yet it is there
[00:39:34] <Aero-Tec> KimK: thanks for the help BTW
[00:40:08] <Aero-Tec> I wrote a simple test Gcode pog and it works
[00:40:19] <Aero-Tec> yet the conversion one does not
[00:40:20] <KimK> Can you post your gcode to pastebin.com or to your favorite place? Either M2 or M30 will work, but if it were me, I'd use M2 to simply stop. M30 could mean "stop and rewind" (old school, paper tape, etc.) or it could mean "stop and exchange pallets".
[00:40:58] <Aero-Tec> pallets?
[00:41:05] <Aero-Tec> it is a long code
[00:41:34] <Aero-Tec> 396 lines
[00:41:39] <KimK> Some machines have two or more pallets. A pallet is like a removable table.
[00:42:47] <KimK> This is a handy feature because the operator can be removing finished part #1 and installing blank part #3, while the machine is working on blank #2.
[00:43:17] <Aero-Tec> cool
[00:43:22] <Aero-Tec> now I follow
[00:43:30] <Aero-Tec> had me lose there for a bit
[00:43:37] <KimK> No problem.
[00:44:06] <Aero-Tec> the code is on a different machine
[00:44:25] <Aero-Tec> it is connected to the net
[00:44:49] <Aero-Tec> but not sure how to get code to you if your still wanting to look at it
[00:45:03] <Aero-Tec> it is messy messy code
[00:45:11] <KimK> If you can do a copy and paste to pastebin.com, that would be great.
[00:45:11] <Aero-Tec> set up for mach
[00:46:01] <Aero-Tec> it was nice but all my mods and messing with it made it look like.....you know what
[00:47:34] <KimK> No problem, I or someone else should be able to give you some advice. (I hope, lol!)
[00:50:06] <Aero-Tec> KimK: ok posted now what?
[00:50:18] <Aero-Tec> how can you see it?
[00:50:25] <KimK> Just give us the link
[00:50:41] <Aero-Tec> can you search tital?
[00:51:01] <KimK> I suppose I could look at "recent posts" or something.
[00:51:01] <Aero-Tec> title
[00:51:11] <KimK> I'll look
[00:51:14] <Aero-Tec> will have to see what the link is
[00:51:26] <Aero-Tec> emc gcode
[00:51:34] <Aero-Tec> that is the title
[00:52:16] <Aero-Tec> upper case
[00:52:28] <KimK> Sorry, I wasn't fast enough. The "recent posts" scrolls off in under 1 minute, lol!
[00:52:39] <KimK> I'll wait for your link
[00:52:39] <Aero-Tec> in case it is case sensitive
[00:53:06] <KimK> Or you can just post it again if you closed that window
[00:54:04] <KimK> No extra charge for "wasting" a pastebin page, lol
[00:55:00] <KimK> As Jay leno used to say about those crunchy snacks, "Eat all you want, we'll make more!"
[00:56:09] <alex4nder> hey
[00:56:21] <KimK> hey back
[00:59:27] <KimK> Aero-Tec: Are you able to get your g-code re-posted?
[01:02:06] <Aero-Tec> setting up chatzilla on CNC machine
[01:02:07] <KimK> Aero-Tec: Oh, wait, I think I found it. Is this it? http://pastebin.com/nRqCynp7
[01:02:53] <Aero-Tec> yes
[01:03:02] <KimK> Yes, Chatzilla is a pretty popular option
[01:03:14] <Aero-Tec> sorry for making you look it up like that
[01:03:59] <Aero-Tec> problem when you running win and linux and have not set up the network yet
[01:04:29] <Aero-Tec> also sorry for the messy code
[01:04:43] <Aero-Tec> it looked and worked great in mach
[01:04:51] <KimK> No problem. This is a lathe you're running here?
[01:05:01] <Aero-Tec> yes
[01:05:05] <KimK> OK
[01:05:32] <Aero-Tec> lathe = 1 is in the INI as well
[01:05:36] <Aero-Tec> I checked
[01:06:01] <Aero-Tec> not sure how to do backlash yet
[01:06:07] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[01:06:07] <Aero-Tec> will have to read up on it
[01:06:16] <Aero-Tec> hi
[01:06:28] <Aero-Tec> night here, ready for bed
[01:06:43] <Aero-Tec> just shy of 11pm
[01:07:51] <Aero-Tec> mach and emc have very different Gcode
[01:08:07] <KimK> Later than that here, so you're right, I should look at it later. We can talk more tomorrow.
[01:08:36] <Aero-Tec> sounds good
[01:08:50] <KimK> OK, goodnight
[01:08:52] <Aero-Tec> got a doc appointment tomorrow morn
[01:09:05] <Aero-Tec> not sure when I will get back
[01:09:24] <Aero-Tec> so it may be later in the day
[01:09:37] <KimK> Probably true for me too.
[01:09:57] <Aero-Tec> Kwill you be around all day?or most of it?
[01:10:17] <KimK> Afternoon and evening, probably
[01:10:26] <Aero-Tec> ok
[01:10:38] <Aero-Tec> thanks for the help
[01:10:45] <KimK> You bet
[01:11:10] <Aero-Tec> night
[02:00:30] <DJ9DJ> moin
[04:40:23] <Thiel> hi all i lost my /etc/emc2/rtapi.conf
[04:40:48] <Thiel> is there a file around in the git or somewhere i cant find it
[04:41:26] <Thiel> i did a update only emc2 from synaptic
[04:42:01] <Thiel> 2.4.6 it ais the error screan says 2.4.7
[04:44:43] <Thiel> someone can post me his
[04:45:15] <Thiel> arend ther files in a git or on sourceforce tree
[04:46:24] <Thiel> someone around
[04:48:01] <alex_joni> sure, jas
[04:49:06] <Thiel> do you have a rtap running ?
[04:49:20] <Thiel> i B)
[04:50:13] <Thiel> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=tree;hb=1f30f27f1b32d9fbbb3bfab5a3b4ce26a1d1954f
[04:50:21] <Thiel> there shoudt be the file
[04:51:46] <Thiel> no nowhere around and a new install does not add this file
[04:57:20] <Thiel> kernel is 2.6.32-122-rtai
[04:58:34] <alex_joni> http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=linuxcnc.git;a=blob;f=scripts/rtapi.conf.in;h=8f58f22422f622fbb5433c9fb93705593825187c;hb=HEAD
[04:58:50] <alex_joni> the problem is that file is before it gets generated
[04:58:51] <Thiel> Thanks
[04:59:05] <alex_joni> so it won't help much ;).. but there should be one in the latest deb
[04:59:09] <alex_joni> are you on 10.04 ?
[04:59:37] <Thiel> yes
[04:59:42] <alex_joni> i386
[04:59:46] <Thiel> yes
[05:00:03] <alex_joni> http://linuxcnc.org/dists/lucid/emc2.4/binary-i386/
[05:00:12] <alex_joni> the deb is there : http://linuxcnc.org/dists/lucid/emc2.4/binary-i386/emc2_2.4.7_i386.deb
[05:00:20] <alex_joni> you can download it, and rename it to .gz
[05:00:29] <alex_joni> then you can unpack it, and extract what file you want
[05:00:44] <Thiel> ok
[05:01:45] <alex_joni> you can also do something simpler
[05:02:00] <alex_joni> dpkg -x emc2_2.4.7_i386.deb foo
[05:02:13] <alex_joni> that extracts the contents into the foo/ folder
[05:02:58] <alex_joni> here's the file btw: http://uploads.robcon.ro/rtapi.conf
[05:04:50] <Thiel> yes it works
[05:04:54] <Thiel> THANKS
[08:08:31] <Geissler> Mobile test
[08:11:31] <DJ9DJ> error: test failed
[08:31:53] <jthornton> FATAL ERROR: Reboot Required, size 10 suggested
[09:13:26] <crazy_imp> heyho
[09:14:06] <crazy_imp> i want to mirror the y axis inside my gcode file - any ideas how to do this? :)
[09:14:26] <crazy_imp> ("flip" the part")
[09:15:33] <cradek> there's no support for mirroring in linuxcnc's gcode dialect
[09:15:57] <crazy_imp> dang :(
[09:16:15] <crazy_imp> so i'm of to mirror my machines axis in the emc config?
[09:16:44] <cradek> yes that would work, but be careful with jogging, homing, etc
[09:16:59] <cradek> better to regenerate your gcode
[09:17:11] <crazy_imp> hand written, don't want to
[09:18:52] <cradek> if it's had written and simple enough, you could flip all the signs on your Y words, but beware arcs etc
[09:19:04] <cradek> how hard it is really depends on the gcode
[09:20:41] <crazy_imp> i know, but it's no fun with the relative moves in between and variables (so you don't know the sign until you do a walk-through yourself)
[09:25:58] <cradek> I agree that doesn't sound fun
[09:26:18] <jdhNC> I did some 90/180 rotations yesterday trying to fit parts on some stock. The 90/270 was really confusing.
[09:26:22] <cradek> you can make your handwritten code mirrorable in the future if you expect to do this
[09:40:13] <alex_joni> crazy_imp: maybe you could try http://code.google.com/p/grecode/
[09:41:24] <crazy_imp> alex_joni: will give it a try next time :)
[09:41:38] <crazy_imp> right now it's running with setp parport.0.pin-03-out-invert 1
[09:42:30] <cradek> haha, yay for open loop machines
[09:42:40] <JT-Shop> alex_joni: cool
[09:47:12] <JT-Shop> the test files are all .ngc
[10:16:49] <ctjctj> JT-Shop: Good morning. You here? Got a fix for the docs. just before section 11.3.1 Default coordinate system the G59.2 and G59.3 examples are wrong as they have "G59 .2" (extra spaces)
[10:17:13] <ctjctj> Is there any way to go to a modal absolute? Is there anyway to make g38.2 use absolute coordenates?
[10:19:29] <ctjctj> Also, I attempted to name a file "zerotool.ngc" and access it via "ozerotool call" and "o<zerotool> call" both failed. renaming the file to 100.ngc and using "o100 call" works. V2.5
[10:20:07] <cradek> g53 g38.2 isn't supported, but you can use any unoffset spare coordinate system to do the equivalent
[10:20:22] <cradek> g10 l2 p9 x0 y0 z0
[10:20:27] <cradek> g59.3 g38.2 ...
[10:21:12] <ctjctj> cradek: should it work? I know it doesn't work now but should it work? g59.3 is model so I'll have to change the coordinate system back at the end?
[10:21:57] <cradek> I think it would be nice if g53 g38.2 was supported
[10:22:06] <cradek> and yes you are right that g59.3 is modal
[10:22:39] <ctjctj> #1000=#5220
[10:22:41] <ctjctj> g10 L2 P9 x0 y0 z0
[10:22:43] <ctjctj> g59.3
[10:22:45] <ctjctj> ...
[10:22:47] <ctjctj> #5220=#1000
[10:23:33] <ctjctj> Hmmm, just realized I should be using #1-#30 for my subroutine. That way there are no side effects.
[10:30:20] <skunkworks> could you add a b axis and rotate the
[10:30:25] <skunkworks> 1
[10:37:18] <skunkworks> heh
[10:37:20] <skunkworks> that was random
[10:38:19] <ctjctj> Yes it was. And since I was the last to talk code I was trying to determine what the b axis had to do with anything.
[11:11:02] <JT-Shop> ctjctj: just stepped back in
[11:11:13] <JT-Shop> thanks for the heads up on the docs
[11:22:45] <jthornton> ctjctj, that seems to be something to do with the PDF generated docs as the base file looks good and the HTML file looks good as well...
[11:29:39] <Connor> Was just trying to cut threads using the mill...
[11:29:52] <Connor> It would cut a few passes okay.. but then loose sync or something and mess up the threads..
[11:30:19] <Connor> but I'm not sure if it's backlash in the Z, or the sync is off.. or what..
[11:30:53] <Connor> I have to say though, after using my mill manually for all this time, watching it do something on it's own is just damn cool. especially on a process I couldn't possible do manually.
[11:31:03] <Connor> Any ideas on what to check ?
[11:34:35] <cradek> what are you using for spindle feedback?
[11:35:06] <Connor> Using 16 count RPM output.
[11:36:18] <ReadError> is there such thing as a pair of "software calipers" ?
[11:36:27] <ReadError> like where you can measure stuff in the gcode
[11:37:25] <cradek> not sure what you mean
[11:37:38] <Connor> Me ? or ReadError ? :)
[11:37:41] <cradek> Connor: you mean a 16 slot encoder?
[11:37:48] <Connor> Yea.
[11:38:37] <cradek> is it homemade? does it work reliably?
[11:38:53] <Connor> No, it's no home made. it's Stock.
[11:39:05] <Connor> Although, I did have to replace the Slot sensor...
[11:39:14] <skunkworks> does the software encoder counter allow for simulated index now?
[11:39:17] <cradek> the most obvious way threads would get screwed up is if the feedback is bogus
[11:39:20] <Connor> but, as far as I know it looks reliable.
[11:39:40] <cradek> what kind of testing have you done?
[11:40:06] <Connor> I'm still tuning the machine in, so, I wasn't sure were to start looking.. Back lash could cause the issue too could it not ?
[11:41:02] <cradek> no idea. I don't know what problem you've seen, all you said is "loose sync"
[11:41:18] <cradek> even assuming you mean "lose sync" :-) I don't know what you mean exactly
[11:41:51] <cradek> are you using g76? does it cut at the wrong pitch or in the wrong place or what?
[11:41:51] <Connor> Well.. I mean, it doesn't cut the threads in the same place every time.
[11:42:08] <cradek> tell us about your spindle encoder
[11:42:23] <Connor> I was using the sample gcode if found in the samples directory.
[11:42:38] <pcw_home> Can you mark one slot and verify that (raw_counts mod 16 ) is always the same when you cross that slot?
[11:43:40] <cradek> correct pitch at the wrong place seems like a problem with bogus index, but pcw's test is a great idea too
[11:43:51] <cradek> run the spindle for a while and see if your count still makes sense
[11:44:14] * skunkworks wonders if he has an index....
[11:44:42] <Connor> Will be hard to watch.. it moves pretty fast. :)
[11:44:50] <cradek> tell us about your spindle encoder
[11:44:50] <Connor> Gimme a second to look up the sensor..
[11:47:05] <pcw_home> I mean run it a while and the turn off the spindle drive and turn spindle by hand to verify the encoder is still "in sync"
[11:47:24] <Connor> pcw_home: Ahh. I can do that.
[11:47:55] <Connor> I can't find the part # for the sensor.. but the spindle has a still disk with 16 HOLES (not slots) drilled around it.
[11:48:06] <Connor> 1 slot sensor.
[11:48:37] <cradek> ok what are you using for index then?
[11:48:46] <Connor> I have it wired up to pin 15 on my BOB. Using a 220ohm resistor on the 5v.. (Thought it was build in on the sensor, that's how I blew it first time)
[11:49:49] <Connor> I have to have a index in addition?
[11:51:34] <cradek> skunkworks is a mindreader
[11:51:37] <cradek> yes you need index
[11:51:52] <cradek> without index it won't even move, so now I am baffled as to what you're doing
[11:52:21] <Connor> Let me go look at the HAL config. back in a min
[11:54:18] <Connor_CNC> net parport_10_in parport.0.pin-10-in => encoder.0.phase-A => encoder.0.phase-Z
[11:54:43] <Connor_CNC> I'm guessing that's how it's moving.. index is tied to A.
[11:55:01] <Tom_itx> ReadError, think touch probe
[11:55:55] * JT-Shop hears a nap calling my name
[11:55:55] <cradek> then you're telling it that all positions are zero, no wonder passes don't line up
[11:56:25] <cradek> but if you want randomized 16-start threads you're all set
[11:56:40] <JT-Shop> 16 to 1 chance of getting it right... better than the lottery
[11:56:45] * Tom_itx steals the nap from JT-Shop and uses it
[11:56:56] <Connor> That explains why it worked sometimes.. :)
[11:56:57] <JT-Shop> arrrrggg
[11:57:23] <pcw_home> well if it counts right a simulated index should work
[11:57:24] <Connor> okay, looking at the encoder ring, I don't see a easy way to add a Index.
[11:57:42] <jdhNC> hall sensor off an old floppy and the magnet.
[11:57:42] <cradek> do you see a hard way?
[11:57:43] <Tom_itx> drill another hole in it and add a sensor
[11:58:12] <jdhNC> file a notch in the ring and mount another sensor near the edge?
[11:58:51] <Connor> I'm trying to unserstand why they needed 16 holes for just a simple RPM sensor..
[11:58:55] <Connor> understand.
[11:59:12] <jdhNC> 16 is better than one
[11:59:12] <cradek> threading requires position feedback, not rpm
[11:59:33] <Connor> Right. but you can get both.. From index can you not ?
[11:59:42] <jdhNC> can you add a mod16 via hal?
[12:00:33] <cradek> if you assume that the spindle speed never varies, you can guess the approximate position with only an index
[12:00:48] <cradek> if you only need approximate threads that can sort of work
[12:01:23] <pcw_home> but with varying loads and a light spindle it may work very poorly
[12:01:24] <cradek> if the lathe is small, speed varies a lot cutting vs not cutting
[12:01:49] <cradek> yes very poorly. I've seen some threads cut that way and they looked bad to the naked eye, no measuring needed
[12:02:35] <Connor> okay, so I need a encoder with A and index..
[12:02:56] <cradek> and if you want to tap, you need A/B/index
[12:03:22] <jdhNC> for now, another sensor and a single notch would work?
[12:03:29] <cradek> yes
[12:04:03] <cradek> also consider that adding B channel to this wheel will give you 64 instead of 16 counts per rev
[12:04:12] <cradek> assuming it has 50% duty cycle
[12:04:20] <pcw_home> I think a simulated index would be OK too as long as you know its limitations
[12:05:19] <cradek> possibly, IF it counts reliably, I'd want to test
[12:05:45] <jdhNC> in Autocad, can you enter dimensions for a line in mm if you are doing a drawing in inches?
[12:05:46] <cradek> (and I'm not sure how you'd implement fake-index.)
[12:05:57] <Tom_itx> jdhNC i doubt it
[12:06:18] <pcw_home> rawcounts mod encoder count = 0
[12:07:05] <pcw_home> just dont restart LinuxCNC and expect to resume a threading session
[12:07:21] <cradek> sure I see that part of it, but index-enable pins are R/W so it's a bit complicated to set up and may not be possible with existing hal components strung together
[12:07:44] <pcw_home> Yeah it probably needs its own comp
[12:07:52] <cradek> seems like it might be something you'd need to add to the software encoder component
[12:08:13] <pcw_home> Yeah that would be best
[12:08:59] <jdhNC> Connor: I have a 1000 line encoder I wanted to use on mine, but no clue how to mount it.
[12:11:16] <Tom_itx> jdhNC, go in Options, Preferences and change it to metric
[12:11:22] <Tom_itx> then switch it back if you want
[12:11:51] <Tom_itx> in my ver it's listed under 'international'
[12:14:01] <jdhNC> I've been using Draftsight instead, it doesnt' take 10 minutes to startup
[12:14:34] <Tom_itx> mine doesn't either
[12:15:30] <jdhNC> older version?
[12:15:35] <Tom_itx> yeah
[12:16:04] <jdhNC> I got a 13 month .edu license thing for all autodesk, but it expires shortly.
[12:16:29] <IchGuckLive> Hi all
[12:24:50] <jdhNC> Connor: do you have a template for the 3-bolt head thing?
[12:25:12] <Connor> jdhNC: Somewhere.
[12:25:21] <jdhNC> is it online somewhere?
[12:25:32] <Connor> I think it's on the zone or g0704.com somewhere under his projects.
[12:26:25] <jdhNC> the nut was gone from my single bolt.
[12:34:44] <Connor> jdhNC: Really? That's not cool.
[12:35:43] <jdhNC> the head tilted as I moved sideways.
[12:35:59] <jdhNC> it is only held in place by bolt pressure?
[12:37:15] <Connor> Yup.
[12:37:36] <Connor> Well.. a set screw too.
[12:37:46] <Connor> you can pull the head off without removing the set screw.
[12:38:13] <jdhNC> can or can't?
[12:38:18] <Connor> can't
[12:38:36] <Connor> It's on the right hand side of the head.
[12:39:26] <jdhNC> I tried putting an M16 coupling nut on the Z shaft to make a shaft coupler. If it tightned it at all against the top jam nut, Z movement got way too stiff.
[12:40:46] <Connor> It's moving the bottom jam nut too.. You need to use spanner wrench to hold bottom jam nut as you tighten up the shaft coupler.
[12:41:14] <Connor> I had the same issue.. which is why I had to make 2 wrenches.. to adjust the "preload" so to speak.
[12:41:20] <Connor> was a pain in the a$$
[12:42:55] <jdhNC> I'm just going to wait for the ballscrew to get here.
[12:43:00] <Connor> I CNCed two of them out by making a single pass gcode file.. and adjusting the Z manually.. was kind of odd.
[12:43:12] <Connor> but, it worked. :)
[12:49:53] <roycroft> i don't have any cnc gear yet - i'm just getting that stuff going
[12:50:03] <roycroft> so i make my spanner wrenches with a bandsaw and a grinder
[12:54:25] <Connor> roycroft: ?? You converting a 704 too ?
[12:54:51] <roycroft> no, but i need spanner wrenches for other things
[12:55:10] <roycroft> i put new bearings in my mini-lathe, for example
[12:56:14] <jdhNC> found a jpeg of the template and redrew/plotted it.
[12:58:13] <ctjctj> excuse me for an out of band question: I just received my round nose 1/8 bit and I miss read so they have 3/8" shanks which of course don't fit any of the colletts I currently have. Can somebody give me a URL to a place that sells 1/8 round nose bits 1/8 shank? Thank you
[12:58:52] <jdhNC> ctj: mcmaster has them. As do most places like that.
[12:58:55] <cradek> I'd think those are easy to find in solid carbide
[12:59:20] <ctjctj> thanks.
[12:59:33] <archivist> getting a collet would be a good idea too
[12:59:55] <Connor> http://www.precisebits.com/gateways/EndMillsHome.htm
[12:59:58] <ctjctj> archivist: Oh I agree. I do agree. But I just spent my budget on 1/8 collet.
[13:00:05] <cradek> if you want cheap import stuff, try use-enco.com
[13:00:31] <Connor> They have a $50.00 min order.. someone else sells them too without the minimum.. Don't recall who..
[13:01:25] <cradek> if you want good, maritool makes nice carbide tools
[13:01:58] <cradek> $5.99: http://www.maritool.com/Cutting-Tools-End-Mills-Ball-End-Mills-2-Flute-Single-End-Uncoated/c78_79_119_199/p1550/1/8-SE-Carbide-Ball-End-Mill-2-Flute-Uncoated-.500-LOC/product_info.html
[13:02:39] <IchGuckLive> i yust got informed that you folks helped today my secondForeman out of a miss with the rtapi.conf THANKS on that
[13:03:03] <ctjctj> cradek: and that is why I asked. Thank you so much. Order going in right now.
[13:04:58] <ctjctj> As well as the rest of the answers.
[13:07:47] <Connor> Does it matter where the index is in relation to the A/B ?
[13:07:52] <JT-Shop> I get all my collets and tool holders from Marris
[13:08:22] <Connor> I think I can notch one of those holes in the encoder disk and add a 2nd sensor further out..
[13:08:43] <JT-Shop> and get all my carbide tooling from http://www.lakeshorecarbide.com/
[13:10:49] <ctjctj> Thank you JT-Shop. Is there any reason not to allow G53 to work with G38.x straight probe?
[13:20:26] <Aero-Tec> KimK: you around?
[13:21:15] <JT-Shop> ctjctj: lakeshore has a min order of $35
[13:21:30] <ctjctj> Not hard to reach. *grin*
[13:22:55] <Aero-Tec> got back from the doc, but caught the flew or something, had a horrible night, did not enjoy going to the doc
[13:23:13] <Aero-Tec> I will try to get back later today and see if your around
[13:23:44] <Aero-Tec> just a heads up
[13:26:25] <IchGuckLive> Get well aero
[13:26:39] <IchGuckLive> by for my Tschau
[14:02:37] <alex4nder> hey
[14:04:48] <Jymmm> Barly
[14:05:23] <alex4nder> sup Jymmm
[14:06:37] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Not too much, trying to figure out how 'hanks of rope' are made.
[14:06:46] <alex4nder> ok
[14:06:50] <alex4nder> did you end up buying a board?
[14:07:00] <Jymmm> board?
[14:07:04] <Jymmm> wood? pcb?
[14:07:14] <alex4nder> motherboard.. for your new machine
[14:07:22] <Jymmm> oh, no.
[14:07:26] <alex4nder> I got mine buttoned up.. I'm going to try for 100 IPM on X and Y today
[14:08:07] <Jymmm> cool, the mobo was initially for a newer NAS box, but would also test for latency
[14:08:32] <alex4nder> the N2800 with isolcpus seems legit.
[14:09:05] <Jymmm> Yeah, the Jet one has 6x sata ports
[14:47:56] <Tom_itx> Jymmm you never wound rope?
[14:48:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: coil rope, yes. but not a hank by machine
[14:48:41] <Tom_itx> oh
[14:48:51] <Tom_itx> there's a shop here that has wire winders i got to see once
[14:49:08] <Tom_itx> then it went thru an extruder for the jacket and straight into a bath of cooling water
[14:49:27] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I got the coil by mahcine down, but it's winding it around the coil that I can't figure out
[14:49:47] <Tom_itx> you've seen a coil winder?
[14:49:54] <Tom_itx> it's woven around it
[14:50:00] <Jymmm> just a wire one at the store
[14:50:14] <Tom_itx> think a dozen spools on a big machine
[14:50:27] <Tom_itx> all winding in a particular sequence
[14:50:38] <Jymmm> I'm not making rope, just repackaging it from a spool
[15:06:14] <JT-Shop> Tom_itx: for hose they are called knitters
[15:09:16] <Tom_itx> same principle i think
[15:10:44] <JT-Shop> yea I think so, bunch of small spools twirling about and the whole thing twirling about around the hose
[15:11:31] <Tom_itx> it was interesting to watch the process go from that machine thru the extruder that put the jacket on it
[15:15:47] <JT-Shop> the local Gates makes radiator hoses and that is a neat process but it stinks a bit in there
[16:04:22] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:21:08] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Is there a simple speech module that could iface with an arduino easily? It could just hold/playback a library of (pre recorded) MP3's.
[16:22:04] <r00t4rd3d> whats the best type of wire connectors
[16:24:01] <roycroft> the ones that work best for your application :)
[16:24:41] <r00t4rd3d> stepper motor leads, I need them longer
[16:25:15] <r00t4rd3d> so I am going to have to use some type of connector but in my experience, most crimp type connectors suck
[16:25:40] * Jymmm chuckles
[16:26:11] <ctjctj> r00t4rd3d: one of the standards is to use a db9 style. You can solder or crimp a db9 male on the stepper motor leads.
[16:26:35] <ctjctj> You can buy db9 extender cables almost anywhere and almost any length.
[16:27:37] <ctjctj> Having just done this I started with solder cups but my eye sight is bad enough and I don't have a third hand vice any more so I managed it very badly. Went back and used crimp on connectors with just a drop of solder to hold the wire in the connector.
[16:28:09] <Jymmm> cjdavis: Just FYI... solder + crimp == BAD
[16:28:20] <r00t4rd3d> The db9 connectors wont really do me any good, TB6560
[16:28:31] <Jymmm> cjdavis: the solder makes the wire brittle and prone to breaking.
[16:28:45] <r00t4rd3d> I can solder very well
[16:28:53] <roycroft> quality crimp connectors, properly crimped, are generally better than soldered connections
[16:29:00] <roycroft> especially in conditions where the connector is subject to vibration
[16:29:04] <ctjctj> Jymmm: ctjctj says "I put the solder in the crimp. Doesn't cause that issue.
[16:29:12] <roycroft> for the very reason jymmm mentioned just above
[16:29:56] <ctjctj> But I'll take your word for it. Hate doing connections like this anyway.
[16:29:58] <Jymmm> ctjctj: Well, I hope it works for you. It hasn't for others over the years.
[16:30:16] <ctjctj> Jymmm: Thank you for your warning. It is something I'll look for. :-(
[16:30:30] <Jymmm> I have crimps so string that you will break the wire before you'll ever get it out of the connector.
[16:30:45] <Jymmm> s/string/strong/
[16:30:57] <ctjctj> Jymmm: *grins* Wish I could say the same. (ex, vi, or emacs?)
[16:31:01] <Jymmm> It just takes the right crimpers is all
[16:31:02] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-Solderless-Wire-Quick-Splice-Connectors-18-22-Ga-/190502621175?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5ad74ff7
[16:31:07] <r00t4rd3d> think i am going to use them
[16:31:50] <Jymmm> ctjctj: most aren't willing to invest in a good pair of crimpers is usually the reason
[16:33:11] <ctjctj> I'm still very new to this. Working my way through lots of things. One of the STUPIDS I did was I needed a 6 wire PCB connector on 0.2in centers. I found a really neat pluggable. That was 4 years ago. 6 weeks ago the JGRO came to life and I can not find part numbers for that connector so I'm faking motion-in and no home/limit switches yet.
[16:34:03] <ctjctj> Jymmm: I agree with you. The work crimpers I've bought over the years have always been the best I could afford. This is still "hobby" for the wife so no such luck in investing in expensive tools.
[16:34:11] <Jymmm> ctjctj: For crimp-on connectors, this is THE BEST damn pair of crimpers I've ever had... http://www.tnb.com/ps/fulltilt/index.cgi?part=WT111M
[16:34:54] <Jymmm> ctjctj: IIRC Snap-o makes a pair sorta-kinda like them, but not the same thing.
[16:35:22] <Jymmm> There are copies of them in home depot too, but not the same thing.
[16:35:31] <ctjctj> bookmarked. Thank you.
[16:35:49] <Jymmm> ctjctj: ~ $49 USD
[16:36:28] <r00t4rd3d> I just use my teeth
[16:36:32] <Jymmm> ctjctj: FWIW, I also have the fancy ratcheting type of crimpers too, but I still like those the best.
[16:36:52] <Jymmm> ratcheting ~= $120 USD
[16:39:00] <ctjctj> can somebody identify the green plastic header on this board? https://plus.google.com/u/0/110631207635469909107/posts/VLUKnT7UUQ3
[16:39:45] <r00t4rd3d> looks like the same connectors on a TB6560
[16:39:48] <ctjctj> And yes, it is that crude right now. The cable is soldered to the bottom of the board to ground and pin15 so that I can do touch plates.
[16:40:01] <gene__> hal question: how can I take an output signal to two outputs?
[16:40:40] <gene__> Is this in the man someplace?
[16:41:45] <Jymmm> ctjctj: Heh, cool... I JSUT called T&B and they said those have a lifetime warranty on them
[16:42:07] <ctjctj> The crimpers? coolness.
[16:42:27] <Jymmm> ctjctj: Yeah, she said just send them in and they'll send out a new tool
[16:42:57] <Jymmm> ctjctj: I've worn out the cutters on the end of mine.
[16:43:48] <ctjctj> Many years ago I was working on my 1967 VW van and needed to take a nut off the wheel. I put a craftsman 1/2 breaker bar on the socket and tried to move that damn nut. No go. Put a cheater bar on the breaker bar (6 ft long) jumped on it. Broke the breaker bar.
[16:44:06] <ctjctj> Drove over to sears, walked in to get replacement. In the parking lot I broke that one too.
[16:44:21] <ctjctj> Back in for another exchange. Went through 4 bars before that nut came off.
[16:44:29] <ctjctj> (LH thread don't you know)
[16:45:12] <Jymmm> ctjctj: not your fault their tools break
[16:45:40] <Jymmm> thats why I like some craftsman tools, espeically on a sunday around 4pm
[16:46:03] <ctjctj> It is when I'm thinking it's a RH thread. *GRIN* But it was replaced. Only had one person have problems with a "for life" warrentee on a hand tool.
[16:46:26] <Jymmm> you had a problem?
[16:46:50] <ctjctj> I was cutting LOTS of spring tempered 0640 stainless steel wire. Using channel lock heavy duty wire cutters. The very tip broke of making the tool useless.
[16:47:02] <Jymmm> It's not a lifetime warranty, it's a satisfaction warranty
[16:47:16] <Jymmm> seriously
[16:47:19] <ctjctj> Went in to get the free replacement and the counter person said "It still works, it isn't really broken, no replacement"
[16:48:02] <Jymmm> ctjctj: Just remember that if you ever have any issues
[16:48:04] <ctjctj> I took the tool, went to their display of vices. Put the tool in the vice, picked up a 20# sledge from a near by display, taped the took, "crack" handle is in two parts. Walked back to the counter guy with both parts and said "Its broken"
[16:48:21] <ctjctj> Not sears. Some tool place in Lansing Michigan many many years ago.
[16:48:25] <Jymmm> ah
[16:48:38] <ctjctj> Counter guy gave me the replacement tool with his mouth hanging open....
[16:48:46] <Jymmm> lol
[16:48:52] <Jymmm> did he see you do it?
[16:49:06] <ctjctj> Oh yeah. I was maybe 15ft from him doing it.
[16:49:19] <ctjctj> If he didn't give me the tool I was no worse off than I was before.
[16:49:44] <Jymmm> I dont get it, wth ppl are so worried about replacing lifetime warranty stuff
[16:49:51] <Jymmm> its not their money
[16:49:51] <ctjctj> I was going through a pair about every two-three weeks (something about cutting 20,000 links)
[16:50:16] <ctjctj> I don't get it either. But sometimes they are just snarky.
[16:51:40] <ctjctj> Are those TB6560 stepper drivers any good? At $79 it sounds almost reasonable. Though i'd prefer geko for the next go around.
[16:52:21] <Jymmm> I just bought a Buck Knives diamond sharpener yesterday for $15, It's just OEM'ed, but for the $4 more than the OEM version, I get a lifetime warranty on it
[16:53:21] <Jymmm> correction, 4-EVER Warranty =)
[16:55:04] <_ink> hm
[16:55:25] <_ink> any microcontroller programmers awake?
[16:58:51] <ctjctj> Ok, answered my own question, don't really want to do the TB6560 path...
[17:00:04] <Jymmm> ctjctj: I bet if you google the name of the board plus 'connector' you'll find it
[17:00:43] <Jymmm> a part number that is
[17:02:20] <KimK> Aero-Tec: Hi, I'm here for a few minutes on the phone. I'll be in and out.
[17:03:50] <ctjctj> Jymmm: looking.
[17:06:22] <Jymmm> KimK: Impressive... You're in IRC via phone, speech-to-text huh? lol
[17:07:40] <ctjctj> Jymmm: so far the answer has been "5 wire connectors" *GRIN*
[17:08:43] <roycroft> i definitely prefer crimped wire connectors to soldered ones
[17:09:26] <roycroft> with the caveat that one has to use high quality crimp connectors and the proper crimp tool
[17:29:10] <Jymmm> roycroft: for crimp-ons, these are GREAT http://www.tnb.com/ps/fulltilt/index.cgi?part=WT111M
[17:29:30] <Jymmm> roycroft: have a lifetime warranty too I just found out. $50 USD
[17:29:42] <Jymmm> $49 USD on avg
[17:30:25] <Jymmm> ctjctj: then email the guy who makes the board and ask
[17:31:37] <Jymmm> roycroft: works good for insulated as well
[17:33:04] <jdhNC> we call them "those green phoenix connectors"
[17:33:15] <jdhNC> I have tons of them.
[17:34:28] <Jymmm> These are nice too http://www.newark.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?SKU=90F7777 had mine for years
[17:34:42] <jdhNC> those are good.
[17:34:58] <jdhNC> I got my StaKon crimpers at Home Depot. Same ones.
[17:35:15] <Jymmm> jdhNC: The home depot ones LOOK the same, but are different
[17:35:23] <Jymmm> jdhNC: I've checked =)
[17:35:46] <jdhNC> same ones
[17:36:41] <Jymmm> No, a bit different http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-202959147/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&keyword=crimper&storeId=10051
[17:36:48] <jdhNC> mine are ~10-12 years old
[17:36:48] <ctjctj> Jymmm: Ummmm. The guy that put it together is part of an ID ten T issue. The problem exists between keyboard and chair. See he bought the connector at a shop in Baltimore. He now lives in NH and no longer has access to the shop to just walk in and pick up the right connector.
[17:37:07] <Jymmm> ctjctj: lol
[17:37:15] <Jymmm> ctjctj: try digikey then
[17:37:20] <ctjctj> I.e. I'm the one that picked the connector and plug but I can't find the plug after 4 years and 5 moves.
[17:37:20] <jdhNC> Uhm... those don't say StaKon
[17:37:52] <Jymmm> jdhNC: ok, you find em on the website =)
[17:37:55] <ctjctj> The problem is that I can't identify the connector type from the drawings I see. I'll go take another look and see if I get lucky.
[17:38:22] <jdhNC> ctj: 280868957965
[17:38:35] <jdhNC> or http://www.ebay.com/itm/280868957965
[17:38:40] <Jymmm> jdhNC: but if yours actually say 'Sta-Kon' I think thats a (r) name
[17:38:59] <jdhNC> Jymm: it is a registered trademark of Thomas & Betts
[17:39:06] <Jymmm> somebody needs a new camera or less boose
[17:39:17] <ctjctj> jdhNC: I think you are right! 6 pin version of those.
[17:39:43] <jdhNC> they are pretty much ubiquitous
[17:39:51] <Tom_itx> Jymmm is your vision blurred?
[17:40:12] <Jymmm> jdhNC: The funny thing, my newest BEST screwdriver is the cheapest ever and I can't find them anymore.
[17:40:23] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: the pics in that ebay listing are
[17:40:47] <Tom_itx> the screwdrivers look nice
[17:40:47] <jdhNC> there are some Klein crimpers that look like the StaKon's but different package.
[17:40:49] <Jymmm> jdhNC: Even over my Snap-on one
[17:41:08] <Tom_itx> snapon or bluepoint?
[17:41:09] <Jymmm> jdhNC: Maybe those are what I saw last I looked, the klines I mean.
[17:41:21] <Jymmm> snap-on
[17:41:38] <Jymmm> even the snap-on clones are different than that T&B ones
[17:42:05] <jdhNC> I have a Klein screwdriver I keep in my dive kit. has 2/each phillips/slotted. Not perfect, but easy to carry
[17:42:36] <Jymmm> jdhNC: I wish I had enough to let you try this one, I think you would like it
[17:43:10] <Jymmm> jdhNC: It's specifically the way the tips are made that just bite into the heads perfectly
[17:43:34] <Jymmm> without ripping them up
[17:43:54] <jdhNC> gunsmithing screwdrivers do that (with the proper screws)
[17:43:57] <jdhNC> no taper
[17:44:10] <Jymmm> jdhNC: ah
[17:44:39] <Jymmm> I'd buy 5 more of these if I found just to have on hand.
[17:45:16] <Jymmm> It's one of those 6-in-1 jobs.
[17:45:38] <Jymmm> but this specific one does damn good surprisingly
[17:46:17] <jdhNC> I bought some 4-pin CB kind of type connectors for my steppers.
[17:46:39] <jdhNC> Need to find a clean way to mount a bulkhead connector on/by the mother though.
[17:46:55] <Jymmm> jdhNC: If you ever come across any that are "neon" colored handles, tryone out.
[17:47:08] <Jymmm> jdhNC: instead of nulkdhead, use the panel mount
[17:47:11] <Jymmm> bulhead
[17:47:18] <Jymmm> bulkhead
[17:47:34] <jdhNC> http://www.homanndesigns.com/store/images/IMG_004.jpg
[17:47:50] <jdhNC> that woudl be perfect, but my motors are slightly too big.
[17:47:55] <Jymmm> whats the black thing?
[17:48:19] <jdhNC> cover, also teh connector mounts in it.
[17:48:36] <jdhNC> http://homanndesigns.com/pics/IMG_007.jpg
[17:48:46] <Jymmm> jdhNC: you could try the mini-DIN connectors instead, but I dont know the mini diam
[17:49:02] <Jymmm> pin diam I mean
[17:49:35] <Jymmm> jdhNC: the male you have there is the panel mount, not the bulkhead mount.
[17:50:07] <jdhNC> looks about like what I bought. I just don't currently have a place to put them.
[17:50:24] <Jymmm> jdhNC: place?
[17:50:38] <Jymmm> what are you mounting them in?
[17:50:47] <jdhNC> a suitable place to mount the connector rigidly. I don't want wires dangling from the motor.
[17:51:09] <Jymmm> oh, heh. lol
[17:51:27] <Jymmm> Most steppers dont have the luxury of a cover.
[17:51:29] <jdhNC> those covers are 57mm and cheap. My motors are 60mm and the covers cost 3x as much
[17:51:36] <jdhNC> they are just add-ons.
[17:52:11] <Jymmm> most ust cable-tie the cable to the motor
[17:52:14] <Jymmm> just
[17:52:32] <jdhNC> I probably will, but that's so tacky.
[17:52:44] <jdhNC> might make something that snaps on to the motor mounts
[17:52:59] <ctjctj> I put an eye bolt near the motor, wire tie the cable there. Use that as my strain relief.
[17:53:06] <Jymmm> I used cable clamps on mine
[17:53:24] <Jymmm> just used the motor mount to fasten it down
[17:53:52] <jdhNC> maybe some shrink wrap on the leads would be enough to neaten it some.
[17:54:03] <ctjctj> jdhNC: It helps.
[17:54:10] <Jymmm> jdhNC: split loom tubing
[17:54:17] <jdhNC> I have 4 connector terminal blocks mounted below the steppers on my router
[17:54:41] <Jymmm> jdhNC: cheapest I've seen is at home depot too
[17:56:07] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ping
[18:12:49] <r00t4rd3d> man i had my paint shop perfect, then I dropped a 3/8 nut.
[18:14:55] <r00t4rd3d> cost me 2 more days, 24 for the paint on it now to dry and 24 for the next coat.
[18:15:27] <r00t4rd3d> i need to keep a better grip on my nuts
[18:15:48] <ctjctj> Paint shop as in a place to pain or???
[18:16:05] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[18:16:10] <r00t4rd3d> -shop
[18:16:17] <r00t4rd3d> the internet has ruined me
[18:16:37] <r00t4rd3d> shop=job
[18:16:45] <ctjctj> s/pain/paint/
[18:16:55] <r00t4rd3d> s/shop/job
[18:17:12] <r00t4rd3d> whats the s mean anyway
[18:17:14] <r00t4rd3d> sorry?
[18:17:19] <r00t4rd3d> shit
[18:17:25] <ctjctj> Ok, now it makes sense. I was thinking you were finishing up your shop for painting and some how dropping a nut ruined it.
[18:17:50] <r00t4rd3d> no i was painting my table and dropped a nut in tacky paint and ruined it
[18:20:01] <ctjctj> The first ish unix editors were "ed" and later "ex" and they used command lines to edit. You saw the line you were editing with "p" and you could move the "point" along the line. "s" mean substitute. /xxx/ regular expression expressing what you are searching for in this line. /yyy/ what to replace it with. so 1,$s/ (.*ed)/$1s/g says from line 1 to end of file replace every word that ends with 'ed' with 's' (g means every occuran
[18:20:04] <ctjctj> ce on the line)
[18:20:40] <ctjctj> i.e fixed becomes fixs
[18:21:06] <jdhNC> also used in sed(1) and others
[18:21:15] <ctjctj> Oh, FYI regular expressions are considered "write only"
[18:21:48] <ctjctj> sed == Serial EDitor
[18:22:16] <ctjctj> the original "sed" was just a version of 'ed"
[18:22:28] <jdhNC> stream editor
[18:22:31] <ctjctj> and ed in turn was based in part on "teco" (I think I got that right"
[18:22:35] <ctjctj> yes, stream
[18:22:38] <ctjctj> my error.
[18:23:54] <ctjctj> So when you see s/[sS]erial/stream/ you are seeing somebody say "I'm correcting the word and I'm a unix/linux person"
[18:24:04] <ctjctj> where as a windows person says "You know what I mean"
[18:25:16] <ctjctj> r00t4rd3d: more than you wanted to know?
[18:29:24] <r00t4rd3d> i went to the store and didnt read a line of it
[18:29:40] * ctjctj facepalm
[18:29:42] <r00t4rd3d> ahh pepsi
[18:30:16] <r00t4rd3d> now what did you say?
[18:31:38] <jdhNC> he said "nevermind"
[18:32:30] <r00t4rd3d> i dont see how a editor has anything to do with pain
[18:32:32] <r00t4rd3d> paint
[18:32:48] <PCW> This will clear things up: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HE_3MsJ_PE
[18:33:02] <r00t4rd3d> if thats rick roll or some shit...
[18:33:42] <r00t4rd3d> i should have known
[18:33:49] <ReadError> you dropped a nut and its ruined?
[18:34:01] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[18:34:28] <r00t4rd3d> my paint job is ruined
[18:34:48] <r00t4rd3d> it chipped it
[18:35:21] <r00t4rd3d> i will lightly sand it after it dries and hopefully I can just touch it up
[18:35:48] <r00t4rd3d> but i have ocd so my light sand will probably be the palm sander down to bare wood again
[18:35:59] <ctjctj> Why were you juggling your nuts over the tacky paint job?
[18:36:17] <r00t4rd3d> I was fitting them to my rod
[18:36:35] <ctjctj> mine came pre fitted...
[18:37:00] <r00t4rd3d> I have a long rod so it has to be manual
[18:37:07] <Jymmm> ctjctj: That's kinda a person question don't ya think? And TMI, won't dn't need to know yours came prefitted or custom paint job!
[18:37:41] <ctjctj> *laughs*
[18:38:18] <Jymmm> =)
[18:38:56] <r00t4rd3d> OMG I JUST WON THE LOTTERY!
[18:39:03] <r00t4rd3d> $2
[18:40:45] <r00t4rd3d> im just using hardware store threaded rod
[18:41:07] <ctjctj> jdhNC: Your ebay find lead me to find the right connector at digikey. Thank you for helping to end a 2 week search.
[18:41:26] <r00t4rd3d> for those green connectors?
[18:41:32] <ctjctj> r00t4rd3d: yes.
[18:41:35] <r00t4rd3d> i have a bag of them
[18:41:46] <r00t4rd3d> i dont know the name of them thouhg
[18:41:49] <r00t4rd3d> though*
[18:42:20] <r00t4rd3d> plug in screw terminals
[18:42:24] <r00t4rd3d> lol
[18:42:33] <r00t4rd3d> whats the proper name digi calls them?
[18:42:51] <ctjctj> Jymmm: how come I feel you got the double entendre but r00t4rd3d did not?
[18:43:10] <r00t4rd3d> you mean talking about my nuts and rod?
[18:43:24] <r00t4rd3d> would you like to hold them and show me how to use them?
[18:43:38] <ctjctj> http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&itemSeq=114221328&uq=634717499932221490
[18:43:50] <r00t4rd3d> Part not found.
[18:44:37] <ctjctj> http://search.digikey.com/us/en/products/1792799/277-1066-ND/260434
[18:44:53] <Jymmm> ctjctj: I'm a Professional Smartass? *shrug*
[18:45:06] <ctjctj> Jymmm: you and me both.
[18:45:13] <Jymmm> prove it!
[18:45:38] * MrAsshole poops on ctjctj!
[18:45:52] * ctjctj tries to dig out...
[18:46:14] <Jymmm> ctjctj: and yes, I DO own that nick =)
[18:46:27] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d: shouldnt you get it working then worry about paint?
[18:47:06] <ctjctj> I think I'll go out to the shop and see if I can get my zerotool G code subroutine to work correctly rather than shooting off all over the place.
[18:47:20] <Jymmm> again TMI
[18:47:24] <ctjctj> If I set #5220 to a number does it do the same s using a G54 type code?
[18:47:25] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, then i have to take it all apart again
[18:47:35] <r00t4rd3d> ctjctj, http://i.imgur.com/LIDKd.jpg
[18:47:36] <r00t4rd3d> :)
[18:48:05] <ctjctj> r00t4rd3d: that's them. Just need the 6 pin version.
[18:50:15] <r00t4rd3d> ReadError, I just ordered my last stepper today so I could not really do anything yet anyway
[18:50:49] <r00t4rd3d> i have to build my z axis too but I have all the parts , just need to do it.
[18:51:25] <r00t4rd3d> i ordered all my wire and connectors today too
[18:52:07] <r00t4rd3d> my steppers come to 33 bucks shipped each, bastards
[18:53:28] <r00t4rd3d> i think i could have just bought a solid pre built aluminum frame for the amount I have into this already
[19:03:47] <r00t4rd3d> check this guy out, forged his own wedding ring out a of meteorite http://imgur.com/a/ZjCaW#0
[19:14:16] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d: the fireball is nice
[19:15:57] <r00t4rd3d> that little furnace he has is cool
[19:19:20] <r00t4rd3d> I could do stuff with that
[19:21:29] <r00t4rd3d> I wonder if it would melt aluminum
[19:24:21] <roycroft> easily
[19:24:38] <roycroft> the little kiln i just bought will melt aluminum
[19:25:07] <roycroft> aluminum melts at 660c
[19:25:13] <roycroft> you can melt it with a propane torch
[19:50:56] <jdhNC> ctj: they are "those green plug in phoenix connector things"
[20:22:17] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/PHOENIX-CONTACT-1792058-MVSTBR-2-5-6-ST-plug-/190560554527?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5e4b4e1f
[20:22:24] <r00t4rd3d> in new york and cheaper then digi
[20:25:07] <jdhNC> if you just need one, I have a 6 sitting here.
[20:25:33] <r00t4rd3d> "combicon plug"
[20:25:41] <r00t4rd3d> I guess is the proper name for them
[20:26:24] <jdhNC> there are lots of names. Lots of places make them. McMaster has them
[20:41:41] <ctjctj> thank you r00t4rd3d I've got it covered now. You guys got me to the right place which is what I was asking for.
[20:42:26] <ctjctj> In the mean time I'm finding programming in g-code/o-code to be frustrating at best and dangerous to equipment at worse
[20:43:39] <ctjctj> Stupid little things like 38.5 will break contact with my touch plate but there is still spring so the g0z(up) gives me "probe fired during non-probe mdi"
[20:58:37] <cradek> maybe you need to debounce it?
[21:11:46] <ctjctj> Mechanically or electronicly?
[21:12:38] <r00t4rd3d> did you make your touch plate?
[21:13:23] <ctjctj> yep. wire to piece of pcb board. other end to ground. alligator clip to bit, other end to in.motion pin.
[21:14:35] <r00t4rd3d> there is so much i need to learn
[21:15:05] <ctjctj> Same here.
[21:15:08] <r00t4rd3d> think i am just gonna smoke crack instead
[21:16:52] <r00t4rd3d> I hate myself for liking The Big Bang Theory on TV.
[21:17:20] <jdhNC> she used to be hot and you used to want to be 'that guy'?
[21:19:16] <ctjctj> Ok. why did my feedspeed for rapids drop suddenly? Makes no sense to me...
[21:19:40] <jdhNC> did you change feed override or max speed?
[21:23:15] <ctjctj> nope.
[21:23:51] <ctjctj> Everything seemed to be working correctly. Then I did a g54 g1z0.85f2 and after that all movement was "slow"
[21:24:08] <Aero-Tec> KimK: are you around?
[21:24:17] <Aero-Tec> got up for a bit
[21:24:25] <jdhNC> G0 is slow, or just all G1?
[21:24:30] <ReadError> i gotta admit
[21:24:35] <ReadError> i been trying alot of drafting programs
[21:24:39] <Aero-Tec> will stick around awhile
[21:24:40] <ReadError> the best by FAR is solid works
[21:24:46] <ReadError> its super intuitive
[21:24:56] <Aero-Tec> I use solid works
[21:25:03] <Aero-Tec> great program
[21:25:08] <ReadError> wish they had a hobby version
[21:25:12] <Aero-Tec> not cheap
[21:25:12] <ctjctj> g0 is slow.
[21:25:14] <ReadError> 12k....
[21:25:16] <ReadError> jesus
[21:25:31] <ReadError> its like come on guys, i dont need all the motion stuff
[21:25:34] <ReadError> just gimme the modeling!
[21:25:56] <ReadError> Aero-Tec, what do you use to convert to gcode?
[21:25:59] <ReadError> thats where im at now
[21:26:02] <jdhNC> I went to a design review last week for a new machine we are having built. Their mechanical guy had done it all in SW and made it look really impressive (cylinders extending, everything moving, etc)
[21:26:04] <Aero-Tec> there are some hacked versions out there
[21:26:06] <ReadError> pycam seems to have issue
[21:26:14] <ReadError> Aero-Tec, ;)
[21:26:19] <Aero-Tec> I have bob cam for solid works
[21:26:27] <ReadError> oh? does it work nicely?
[21:26:38] <Aero-Tec> but I hand code most of my stuff
[21:26:47] <ctjctj> Problem started with a G28.1 which sets my goal. G28 Z3 which should raise the Z to abs 3in but it didn't. Just took off for the goal xyz
[21:26:58] <ctjctj> pycam is not may favorite software. :-(
[21:27:19] <ReadError> its good for some stuff
[21:27:31] <ReadError> but for instance, i have a 0.125" endmill
[21:27:39] <ReadError> and it doesnt do my 0.125 holes
[21:27:47] <ReadError> i just want it to drill down...
[21:28:06] <ctjctj> Got my code output good g-code for profiles (inside, outside, on) but then got burned out trying to draw a stupid graphic for the UI to show climbing vs. conventional cutting.
[21:28:16] <Aero-Tec> use cam for fancy 3D models, but even then I only cam the fancy curves and contours, the rest is hand coded
[21:28:22] <ReadError> i dont like how it resets everything when your restart it
[21:29:33] <Aero-Tec> yes bob cam for solid works is nice, but then again not cheap
[21:29:45] <ReadError> is there a ....version?
[21:29:55] <jdhNC> I've never used G28. Might be hazardous the way I leave things around.
[21:31:00] <Aero-Tec> I started machining for myself, but every thing I needed was so expensive that I started machining for others so I could afford the nice programs
[21:31:02] <ReadError> visualmill made a nice path
[21:31:10] <ReadError> but its payware....
[21:31:11] <ctjctj> I'm using it to move to the "tool touch plate" Seemed like the "right" way to do it. Looks like I should just use a couple of g53 g0 lines. Less fancy more reliable
[21:31:57] <Aero-Tec> BTW, bob cad cam had a stripped down version of solid works for $1500 I think that was what it was
[21:32:15] <ctjctj> Aero-Tec: I wish I could sell things but the software is so expensive I decided to write the software myself. Slow going. I know *how* to do most of the things I want to do. It is now just a small mater of programming it.
[21:32:42] <Aero-Tec> I was dealing with the solid work rep and then BOB cad offered me this deal
[21:34:02] <Aero-Tec> my solid works rep was shocked and also felt ripped as he could not offer me anything even close to it and he had also never even heard of that version that BOB cad was offering
[21:34:58] <ReadError> hmmmmm they have a trial apparantly
[21:35:06] <ReadError> <3 vmware esxi snapshots
[21:35:31] <ReadError> wonder if it is full featured or the gimp version
[21:38:46] <Aero-Tec> I write most code using variables and subs. like planing a surface, size of mill bit, start of x end of x, start of y and end of y, hit go and it is done all through preprogrammed sub
[21:39:15] <jdhNC> you should make a full featured conversational programming interface for me.
[21:39:16] <Aero-Tec> it is a gimp version, no 2D stuff and a few other things
[21:40:16] <Aero-Tec> maybe we should start a group
[21:40:39] <Aero-Tec> one that does programmable Gcode
[21:41:06] <Aero-Tec> just punch in some numbers and hit go
[21:41:52] <ctjctj> Aero-Tec: I'm scared to do that. I'm afraid that I'll find out that everybody else's g-code interpreter does it just a little bit differently.
[21:42:05] <jdhNC> but only one matters.
[21:42:15] <ctjctj> I'm afraid to go look and find out that o codes are only linuxcnc.
[21:42:23] <ctjctj> jdhNC: *GRIN* that is one way of looking at it.
[21:43:01] <Aero-Tec> I wrote my own code for drilling, facing reducing the dia in the lathe, boring, it is all done with subs and a few variables, punch in the values and load the sub and hit go
[21:45:36] <Aero-Tec> I used them in mach, but mach suck, no conditional branches, that made some things very difficult to program, but I was able to do it
[21:46:00] <Aero-Tec> had to think way outside the box
[21:46:10] <ctjctj> *nods* I can believe it.
[21:47:05] <ctjctj> I've not tested if you can do #31=1024 #[#31]=55 to be able to set #1024 to the value of 55
[21:47:19] <Aero-Tec> I very much look forward to using named variable and conditional branches
[21:48:17] <Aero-Tec> why not just use #1024=55
[21:48:32] <Aero-Tec> you taking a very long way around
[21:49:31] <Aero-Tec> I would have to check the manual, I am very new to EMC
[21:49:50] <ctjctj> Aero-Tec: think of a loop where #31 goes from 0 to 8 so that you can move all of a coordenate tuple in a loop rather than #31=#5061 #32=#5062... #39=#5069
[21:49:54] <Aero-Tec> in fact I just started yesterday with my lathe, mill is next
[21:50:40] <Aero-Tec> got mad at mach for the last time
[21:50:41] <ctjctj> in a fuller language it would be "for (int i=0; i<9; i++) a[i] = b[i];"
[21:50:52] <Aero-Tec> finaly made the jump to EMC
[21:51:19] <ctjctj> Aero-Tec: good for you. LinuxCNC is great. I've been playing with it for 4-5 years. Actually using it for about 6 weeks.
[21:52:40] <r00t4rd3d> o_O
[21:54:10] <r00t4rd3d> how do you play with it?
[21:54:14] <r00t4rd3d> Sim
[21:54:20] <ctjctj> Yep, sim.
[21:54:46] <ctjctj> But you don't see things the same way. Like just how important it is to be able to zero your tools *exactly* when you change tools.
[21:54:59] <ctjctj> Or how fast this thing can really make chips and move.
[21:55:05] <Aero-Tec> you know, with programmable Gcode one could do a ton of things like center of bolt pattern distance from center and number of holes, in just a few second you could have the whole thing programmed and running
[21:55:32] <ctjctj> There might even be canned cycles for that.
[21:56:43] <Aero-Tec> that was just a example, but if that is a canned cycle in EMC that would be cool
[21:56:46] <ctjctj> r00t4rd3d: or another one that got me: There is no model for absolute positioning. This becomes an issue when you have motion commands that only work in a corrdenate system. I.e. does not accept a G53 prefix.
[21:56:58] <Aero-Tec> mach had no such thing
[21:57:07] <ctjctj> Aero-Tec: have you looked at some of the example nc files?
[21:57:26] <r00t4rd3d> you could have wrote that in Mandarin Chinese.
[21:57:28] <Aero-Tec> not yet
[21:57:45] <ctjctj> Aero-Tec: take a look. Lots of good exmaples.
[21:58:20] <Aero-Tec> well I very quick look, but not opened them, did open one or two
[21:58:48] <ctjctj> r00t4rd3d: the primary g code to move the cutter is "g0" and "g1" you give them a command like "g1 x3 y 4 z2" which says "move to the point (3,4,2) in a straight line at the current feed rate"
[21:58:53] <Aero-Tec> but did not look them over like I would like
[21:59:15] <ctjctj> but linuxCNC (and maybe others) has the concept of offset coordinate systems.
[21:59:26] <ctjctj> In computer graphics we call them "local coordinate systems"
[21:59:32] <Aero-Tec> I was looking for why EMC kept complaining about how I ended my Gcode
[22:00:28] <ctjctj> When you start linuxcnc you need to home your axis. This moves each axis to a known location and at that point you know the "absolute (global)" position of the cutter.
[22:00:32] <Aero-Tec> that is what Kin K is helping me with, he is looking over my code and trying to tack down what EMC does not like about it
[22:00:47] <r00t4rd3d> is it an absolute must i learn gcode?
[22:01:10] <r00t4rd3d> I perfer cp coding
[22:01:15] <ctjctj> That's what the home button in axis does. If it says "home all" it does it all automagically. If not then you jog the cutter to the right place and home each axis.
[22:01:18] <Aero-Tec> I did a quick and dirty conversion of some mach code, EMC did not like it at all
[22:01:27] <Aero-Tec> and I can not find out why
[22:01:45] <ctjctj> After that the machine/controller needs to know where your work is. That is done with "touch off"
[22:02:16] <ctjctj> you move the cutter to a place which going to be the zero for your work. You then "touch off" the x,y axis.
[22:02:23] <Aero-Tec> what is CP coding?
[22:02:35] <r00t4rd3d> Copy/Paste.
[22:02:38] <ctjctj> you don't need to learn g-code. Many people I'm sure never learn gcode. But it does make somethings much easier.
[22:02:44] <Aero-Tec> and yes it is of great help to know Gcode
[22:02:47] <Aero-Tec> lol
[22:03:25] <ctjctj> once you have touched of x,y,z you now have offsets. They are stored in a local coordinate system. G54 by default.
[22:03:35] <Aero-Tec> some just use cam to gen the Gcode
[22:03:59] <ctjctj> so now when you say "g1 x3 y2" it goes to (3,2) PLUS the G54 offsets.
[22:04:14] <Aero-Tec> but I can not imagine doing CNC and not knowing Gcode
[22:04:16] <ctjctj> This means that you don't have to put your work piece at the zero location of your machine.
[22:04:41] <Aero-Tec> you have to be able to speak the language the machines understands
[22:05:05] <Aero-Tec> that way you can tweak things and speed things up
[22:05:07] <ctjctj> r00t4rd3d: here's an example for you. You want to move your cutter out of the way for some reason. You can press keys and move the cutter head with the arrows and page up/page down till you get the cutter where you wnat it.
[22:05:51] <Aero-Tec> you know all the extra move most cam program generate? well it you know Gcode you can get rid of them
[22:06:00] <r00t4rd3d> I can use a PS2 controller to manually control my controller
[22:06:12] <ctjctj> or you can type "<F5> g53 g0z3 \rg53 g0x0y0" and send the cutter straight up and then over to the machines 0,0 location.
[22:07:12] <r00t4rd3d> how hard is it to like find a image on the net and carve into wood
[22:07:24] <ctjctj> how much do you want to pay?
[22:07:28] <Aero-Tec> if you just making one or 2 of any one thing then that is OK
[22:07:35] <r00t4rd3d> pay
[22:07:42] <r00t4rd3d> nothing
[22:08:05] <r00t4rd3d> myself im asking
[22:08:20] <Aero-Tec> but if your making thousands of one thing, trust me you will want to be able to speed it up as much as possible
[22:08:27] <ReadError> how often do you all lube your leadscrews ?
[22:08:45] <ctjctj> r00t4rd3d: there are lots of images on the net you can find and use. And emc can convert jpgs and other images to something that can be milled.
[22:09:04] <r00t4rd3d> i want to do inlays
[22:09:08] <ctjctj> But for most things you are going to want good 2d vector graphics which are harder to find.
[22:09:45] <ctjctj> in addition, if you are doing inlays you'll have to learn to make sure that you round corners correctly to let them inlay correctly.
[22:09:56] <ctjctj> Vectric has some great videos on lots of this stuff.
[22:10:14] <r00t4rd3d> I really need to finish my machine first
[22:10:21] <r00t4rd3d> my brain is over loaded with just that atm
[22:10:29] <ReadError> finishing the machine is the easy part ;p
[22:10:39] <ReadError> the hard part for me was learning all the rest
[22:10:44] <r00t4rd3d> ctjctj, you have a pic of your machine?
[22:10:47] <ctjctj> ReadError: You got that right.
[22:11:05] <r00t4rd3d> well i am good with coding and computers/software/linux so....
[22:11:11] <Aero-Tec> your machine will have to be nice and rigid to do good inlays
[22:11:15] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d, i do linux all day
[22:11:20] <ReadError> but its like the machining part
[22:11:25] <r00t4rd3d> ive used linux for 20+ years
[22:11:32] <ReadError> thats my day job ;p
[22:11:35] <ReadError> linux sys admin
[22:11:42] <r00t4rd3d> bet thats fun
[22:11:44] <ReadError> although most of it is for web services not desktop
[22:11:56] <Aero-Tec> being a tad out this way or that is no problem if it is not mating up with a exact copy
[22:12:07] <r00t4rd3d> and by fun i mean royally suck
[22:12:35] <ctjctj> https://plus.google.com/u/0/110631207635469909107/posts/BQi4kd7PbH8
[22:12:49] <Aero-Tec> I to set up web servers using Linux
[22:13:04] <Aero-Tec> all remote terminal
[22:13:11] <ctjctj> 20 years of linux or 20 years of unix?
[22:13:15] <ReadError> yea i work for a hosting company
[22:13:24] <ReadError> my <3 is freebsd
[22:13:35] <ReadError> but we mostly use RHEL
[22:13:36] <ctjctj> ReadError: HIGH FIVE!!!
[22:13:46] <ctjctj> for freeBSD
[22:13:51] <ReadError> ;O
[22:14:19] <r00t4rd3d> i dont like any distro atm
[22:14:22] <ctjctj> I started using unix in 1982-1983 time frame.
[22:14:26] <r00t4rd3d> they all suck
[22:14:55] <r00t4rd3d> becoming to newb friendly
[22:15:23] <ReadError> i started with freebsd 4.2
[22:15:26] <r00t4rd3d> it was more fun to me when it was a challenge
[22:15:33] <ReadError> when i was a young buck at 13
[22:15:34] <r00t4rd3d> just to install
[22:16:15] <ctjctj> ReadError: about what year was that? I think my first FBSD was 1.4 or so.... Not sure.
[22:16:42] <ReadError> 2000 just checked
[22:16:43] <Aero-Tec> back when I was doing my server admin, redhat was king
[22:16:55] <ReadError> Aero-Tec, it still is really
[22:17:01] <ReadError> redhat enterprise linux
[22:17:18] <ctjctj> ReadError: *sigh* I suddenly feel VERY old.
[22:17:26] <Aero-Tec> lol
[22:17:35] <Aero-Tec> me to at times
[22:17:55] <ctjctj> I started programming "professionally" in 1976
[22:18:17] <Aero-Tec> still in school?
[22:18:22] <r00t4rd3d> mandrake was the first distro i used full time
[22:18:29] <ctjctj> yep.
[22:18:50] <ReadError> RHEL is pretty slick i must admit
[22:18:52] <ReadError> with yum
[22:18:57] <ReadError> no more rpm dep issues
[22:19:02] <ReadError> which was a huuuuge PITA
[22:19:15] <ReadError> 'yum update'
[22:19:19] <Aero-Tec> KimK: you around?
[22:19:20] <ReadError> bam, all the latest CVE updates
[22:19:47] <Aero-Tec> was hoping to find out what is wrong with my code
[22:21:02] <Aero-Tec> things are changing so quickly now days
[22:21:11] <ctjctj> ReadError: I've even got my name in the FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE additional FreeBSD contributors page. which is sort of scary long time ago.
[22:21:19] <Aero-Tec> you have to be young to keep up
[22:21:38] <r00t4rd3d> non sense
[22:22:36] <r00t4rd3d> how old is linus?
[22:22:45] <r00t4rd3d> probably got us all beat
[22:23:20] <ctjctj> I'm older than him
[22:23:21] <Aero-Tec> I once found a error in a modarola processor, they had me talking to the guy that designed the chip to help work out the problem, that was fun
[22:23:28] <r00t4rd3d> he has got to be late 50's
[22:23:43] <r00t4rd3d> born December 28, 1969
[22:23:44] <r00t4rd3d> maybe not
[22:23:45] <ctjctj> Linus was born Dec 28, 1969
[22:24:12] <r00t4rd3d> 43
[22:24:24] <ctjctj> Aero-Tec: that's cool. I had a few conversations with the Woz back before there was an apple II. Neat guy.
[22:24:57] <ctjctj> They had a complete FP math system buried in the Apple II ROMs but basic only used integer math.
[22:25:13] <Aero-Tec> I had allot of fun with the old apple 2
[22:25:23] <Aero-Tec> and the COCO
[22:25:23] <ctjctj> Then the FP Basic came out and used their own FP routines which didn't run as fast or as accurately as the ROM versions.
[22:25:36] <ctjctj> Did you get to play with the KIM II?
[22:25:47] <Aero-Tec> no
[22:25:47] <ctjctj> Or the Poly Science boxes?
[22:26:07] <Aero-Tec> played with a Sinclare
[22:26:35] <ctjctj> We use to fix the home built PolySci boxes. Customers would buy kit boards for memory cards for S100 bus. Then we'd have to fix them.
[22:27:00] <ctjctj> It was like $500-$1000 for an 8K bytes (that's right 8192 bytes) of memory.
[22:27:07] <ctjctj> Yeah, the Sinclare came a little bit later.
[22:28:14] <Aero-Tec> and lets not forget the old commodores the 64 and 128
[22:28:20] <Aero-Tec> they were fun
[22:28:35] <ctjctj> KIM was a cool 6502 embedded board. had 1k of memory on it. 16 key hex key pad and a 8(?) digit LED display. Plus some IO ports. We used it to do a solar house embedded controller system.
[22:29:07] <ctjctj> Yep, the Commodore 64 with the chiclet keys.
[22:29:20] <Aero-Tec> sounds very much like the Sinclare
[22:29:41] <ctjctj> KIM was 6502 and I think the sinclare was 6900 or 8080 based?
[22:30:19] <ctjctj> Yeah, Z80 based.
[22:30:49] <Aero-Tec> yep
[22:31:05] <Aero-Tec> I have some of them around here somewhere
[22:32:05] <Aero-Tec> I should look, I may still have the Sinclare round here some where
[22:32:29] <ctjctj> 6502 was running at 1Mhz but was a pipeline design with one instruction completing per cycle. The 8080/Z80 was non-pipelined and took multiple cycles to do *anything* Plus 6502 was more risc based than the z80/8080. I use to have fun getting the 6502 do things faster than those over clockec z80s running at 5Mhz (normal was 4mhz)
[22:32:36] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: Say What? you have SOME?! As in plural???
[22:33:38] <Aero-Tec> Z80 and 8080
[22:33:40] <Aero-Tec> yes
[22:33:57] <Aero-Tec> maybe even some 6502s as well
[22:34:02] <ctjctj> Neat thing about the 6502 was that it had an imcomplete set of extra registers that you could use. I wrote some code to that was "protected" by using the extra registers. They didn't decompile and unless you had analyzed the chip you wouldn't know what they did.
[22:34:16] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: Shhhhhh, your age is showing again, cover that up ;)
[22:34:35] <Aero-Tec> I was a tec, did repair work so I had a whack of them around
[22:34:38] <ctjctj> Well, the registers were complete. You just couldn't do everything with them because some op codes were used for strange things.
[22:35:03] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: I'm just teasing =)
[22:35:28] <Aero-Tec> lol
[22:35:32] <Aero-Tec> no problems
[22:35:38] <Aero-Tec> yes O am a old fart
[22:35:40] <Aero-Tec> I
[22:36:20] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: Well hurry up and make that cnc controlled walker already before you forget how to !
[22:36:51] <Aero-Tec> good old assembly, I loved programming in assembly, lost art now days
[22:37:20] <ctjctj> *grins* must be why I like doing embedded code. Even if they mostly use C
[22:37:20] <Jymmm> so it software development
[22:37:34] <ctjctj> Jymmm: that is just sad.
[22:37:43] <Jymmm> that's why there's 17,000 versions
[22:37:56] <Jymmm> 12.025.774
[22:38:32] <ctjctj> but I'm off. Likely be back tomorrow with other memory dumps and begging for help with gcode
[22:38:36] <Aero-Tec> I was thinking I should make a cool wild chair for when I get old
[22:38:53] <Jymmm> you ever notice that FF jumped from v9.0 to v10.0 to v11.0 to v12.0 ???
[22:39:17] <Aero-Tec> whats FF?
[22:39:39] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: with self tracking so you just push one button and takes you home when our drunk
[22:40:10] <Jymmm> FF == Fire Fox
[22:40:10] <Jymmm> the web browser
[22:40:15] <Aero-Tec> I use fire fox
[22:40:35] <Aero-Tec> thought we were still talking programming language
[22:40:55] <ReadError> Jymmm, dont forget 4
[22:41:10] <ReadError> wasnt there a big jump after 4?
[22:41:34] <Jymmm> we are, I'm saying that devleopers today dont write good code, they just say "will get it in the next version" but FF has jumped MAJOR VERSIONS in the last year.
[22:41:46] <alex4nder> hey
[22:42:11] <Jymmm> no 11.2 or 11.5, straight from v11.0 to v12.0
[22:42:12] <Aero-Tec> KimK: you around?
[22:43:40] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: make sure that the padign on your chair can be tossed in the washer and that the stuff that makes it run is IPX7 rated for water and dust proof!
[22:43:40] <Jymmm> padding
[22:44:00] <Jymmm> then you can just hose that sucker off any time!
[22:44:52] <Jymmm> leave room for accessories too, you never know what they'll have available in the future, maybe hovercraft packs
[22:47:35] <Aero-Tec> lol
[22:47:45] <Aero-Tec> love hover craft
[22:47:53] <alex4nder> anyone have a recommendation on a coolant sump pump?
[22:47:58] <Aero-Tec> not good for stairs
[22:48:38] <ReadError> alex4nder, what cam software do you use?
[22:48:43] <ReadError> to convert stl-> gcode
[22:48:57] <alex4nder> that depends on what I'm doing
[22:49:01] <alex4nder> usually I don't do that.
[22:49:11] <ReadError> http://i.imgur.com/8xavv.png
[22:49:19] <ReadError> pycam messes it up ;/
[22:49:30] <alex4nder> yah, I definitely wouldn't do that with STL.
[22:49:35] <alex4nder> I'd program that manually.
[22:49:47] <jdhNC> I'd drop it in cut2d and be done in 30 seconds
[22:50:04] <alex4nder> or that
[22:51:07] <ReadError> payware ;(
[22:51:13] <ReadError> is the demo full feature?
[22:51:17] <alex4nder> write the g-code yourself
[22:51:19] <alex4nder> it's easy
[22:51:37] <alex4nder> and you should learn how all that stuff works anyway
[22:51:47] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: And whatever you do, make sure you allow for this... http://vimeo.com/31008456
[22:51:50] <ReadError> i just learned a bit of solid works today ;/
[22:51:55] <jdhNC> demo doesn't save gcode except for the demos. I bought a copy
[22:52:02] <ReadError> solidworks was very intuitive
[22:52:09] <ReadError> unlike many of the other apps
[22:52:14] <ReadError> which have a steep learning curve
[22:52:23] <jdhNC> I've never found any cad program to be intuitive
[22:52:33] <ReadError> solidworks really is
[22:52:36] <ReadError> it felt natural
[22:52:41] <ReadError> and doing what i wanted was easy
[22:53:16] <Aero-Tec> Jymmm: cool toy but not good on land. lol
[22:53:35] <alex4nder> ReadError: Looking at your drawing, I see a 180 degree arc, a 360 degree arc, a 30 degree arc (?) and 8 peckdrills
[22:53:40] <Aero-Tec> yes solid works is great, that is what I use
[22:53:43] <alex4nder> er 2 30degree arcs
[22:53:46] <jdhNC> I ran across some software this week that was even more non-intuitive. Survey software for a cesium magnetometer (boat towed)
[22:53:50] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: Sure it is, just add water!
[22:54:40] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: if you were wondering.... $98,000 USD
[22:54:52] <Aero-Tec> is that all
[22:55:15] <Aero-Tec> some guy made a conversion for his jet ski
[22:55:21] <Aero-Tec> worked well
[22:55:30] <Jymmm> Aero-Tec: Yep! But if you go out to havasu, you can get an hours or so for about $400, that includes training
[22:55:34] <Aero-Tec> much cheaper way to go
[22:56:01] <Aero-Tec> have you tried it yet?
[22:56:19] <Jymmm> I wish, I'd pay the $400 gladly
[22:56:38] <Jymmm> It's a once in a lifetime thing
[22:56:48] <Aero-Tec> make one
[22:57:09] <Jymmm> Nah, wouldn't use it more than once, $400 is cheaper
[22:57:10] <Aero-Tec> find a friend with a jetski and make a adapter
[22:57:38] <Aero-Tec> one hour would not be enough
[22:57:52] <Aero-Tec> would want to play longer with it
[22:58:05] <Aero-Tec> wonder what the second hour would cost
[22:58:15] <Aero-Tec> no training needed
[23:02:53] <Aero-Tec> I am off to bed soon
[23:03:08] <Aero-Tec> still feeling lousy
[23:07:23] <Aero-Tec> night all
[23:32:32] <Connor_CNC> is there a mod function for hal ?
[23:36:25] <jdhNC> there is in ladder
[23:37:05] <skunkworks__> Connor_CNC: the next time andy_pough is here - ask him about virtual index... I think he had done it.
[23:52:23] <Connor_CNC> skunkworks_ okay, he won't be back till next Monday,.. I think I saw h e was away for the weekend