#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-04-21

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[10:28:27] <pfred1> hey everybody
[10:29:07] * pfred1 just got back from trash picking AKA garage saling
[10:33:29] <Tom_L> any goods?
[10:33:56] <pfred1> let me take some pictures hard to describe it
[10:37:26] <pfred1> this isn't even all of it I pulled out the ball points and the hi-lighter pens http://i.imgur.com/WCRO5.jpg
[10:37:32] <pfred1> I got that whole tub for $3
[10:38:02] <pfred1> there was even an old gameboy game in there
[10:38:21] <pfred1> 40 hi-lighter pens
[10:39:19] <pfred1> I got this bucket of wrenches for $2 http://i.imgur.com/EMHrC.jpg
[10:39:45] <pfred1> the stuff on the lower right is USA
[10:40:34] <pfred1> this I'm really proud of http://i.imgur.com/ieMSq.jpg
[10:40:53] <pfred1> when I first plugged it in it didn't work so I thought the guy beat me but then i hit the reset button on the side of it
[10:41:01] <pfred1> so he got beat!
[10:42:06] <pfred1> I still have to take it all apart and clean it and paint it up but at least now i know it does in fact work
[11:11:40] <ThadiusB> hello all
[11:12:43] <pfred1> hi
[11:19:24] <fliebel> What is the "correct" way for my Z axis to move? is Z10 down or up?
[11:20:30] <Tom_itx> g1 z -1 is down
[11:20:56] <fliebel> ok, let me verify that, before I blame my tools :P Thanks
[11:27:27] <djdelorie> fliebel: typically, "max" Z is 0 at the top, and "min" Z is some negative value at the bottom
[11:33:24] <mazafaka> hah, have just fixed action cam to the fullface motocross helmet. It's not really hidden but it is not fixed so vaguely as e.g. GoPro cams.
[11:33:55] <mazafaka> I will fix it to the basebal cap when I ride my mountain bike
[11:45:04] <ReadError> you dont wear a helmet?
[11:46:57] <mazafaka> on usual rides on mountain bike - no
[11:50:56] <pfred1> I hit a car once riding a bicycle
[11:51:24] <ReadError> was it parked?
[11:51:34] <pfred1> I was wearing toe clips and I somersaulted over the hood
[11:51:42] <pfred1> nah he made a left and I hit his front fender
[11:52:02] <pfred1> when I came down I bent my rear chainstays
[11:52:12] <pfred1> also cracked my head on the curb pretty good
[11:52:13] <mazafaka> what did he said?
[11:52:20] <pfred1> well I didn't crack it but i hit pretty hard
[11:52:27] <pfred1> oh he thought he'd killed me
[11:52:37] <pfred1> kid goes flying over the hood of your car
[11:52:40] <mazafaka> Dis you had to pay to him?
[11:52:45] <pfred1> me?
[11:52:46] <mazafaka> *did
[11:52:50] <pfred1> he turned I was going straight
[11:52:57] <mazafaka> yes, you. Oh
[11:52:57] <pfred1> he was totally in the wrong
[11:53:01] <mazafaka> ok then
[11:53:10] <pfred1> I could have owned him like a cheap whore
[11:53:24] <pfred1> he knew it too
[11:54:06] <mazafaka> I also once hit a standing car a little, with my leg. It has simply stopped me, I looked onto the gears of my bibycle.
[11:54:43] <pfred1> I wsa into biking when I was younger
[11:54:49] <pfred1> until that accident
[11:55:25] <mazafaka> With this camera for something like 30 USD I probably can record my work in the garage using its fixture with magnet base. Although the angle of the camera isn't wide
[11:56:45] <mazafaka> At current mometn, there are so many cars on the road here in Russia, that I have stopped commiting any rides involving usual roads. Right side of the road is dangerous as hell.
[11:57:25] <mazafaka> One car follows another car, and if you fall on the road, they will kill you.
[11:59:10] <pfred1> I almost got run over when I fell on a busy highway once hit a nasty crack in the road
[12:00:42] <mazafaka> yeah. I would stop anyone thinking it's a good idea, biking using the roads at present time, here. Same would say to kids and offer skateboarding in parks and regular rides somewhere in safe areas. (Because kids will not listen or will listen to their friends.)
[12:01:12] <mazafaka> http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilyagalkin/6953244014/in/photostream
[12:20:20] <Loetmichel> soooo... i think this CNC has now enough I/O to the world... now the three IEC320 (1C13 two C14) on the other side and the Computer part is done... http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13122
[12:20:47] <pfred1> I have a lifetime supply of pens
[12:21:23] <ReadError> you go to the flea market or something pfred1?
[12:21:37] <pfred1> ReadError flea market then a few yard sales
[12:21:47] <pfred1> I bought a plastic bin full of pens for $3
[12:22:24] <Jymmm> pfred1: how many actually work though?
[12:22:38] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: I don't see the nero-interface?
[12:22:43] <pfred1> this is about half of htem I took most of the ball points and all of the hi-lighters out http://i.imgur.com/WCRO5.jpg
[12:23:00] <pfred1> Jymmm out of 40 hi-lighters 4 were bad
[12:23:11] <pfred1> and they weren't that bad
[12:23:19] <Jymmm> pfred1: Not bad, and you got GLITTER GLUE TOO! woohoo
[12:23:23] <Loetmichel> Jymmm: you mean: "neuro"?
[12:23:35] <pfred1> yup and bubbles too
[12:23:45] <Jymmm> pfred1: LOL, right on!!!
[12:23:51] <pfred1> half a sleeve of blank CD-Rs
[12:24:02] <pfred1> there was even an ancient gameboy in there
[12:24:04] <Jymmm> maxell?
[12:24:13] <Jymmm> pfred1: , nah, seriously?
[12:24:19] <pfred1> verbatim
[12:24:29] <pfred1> yes has tetris and mario bros
[12:24:32] <Jymmm> pfred1: I like verbatium
[12:24:39] <Jymmm> pfred1: OH man....
[12:24:46] <pfred1> crapload of postit notes
[12:24:59] <pfred1> heck a little pair of fiscars scissors
[12:25:05] <pfred1> fiskars even
[12:25:07] <Jymmm> pfred1: I'd lamost want to buy the gameboy off ya
[12:25:10] <Jymmm> almost
[12:25:16] <pfred1> heh it is B7W from 1989
[12:25:21] <pfred1> b&W
[12:25:23] <Jymmm> yeah
[12:25:27] <Jymmm> no backlight
[12:25:32] <pfred1> I put batteris in it it works
[12:25:47] <pfred1> I also died with only 100 points
[12:25:59] <Jymmm> the fiskars arelifetime warranty
[12:25:59] <pfred1> I managed to jump one thing that could kill me
[12:26:17] <Jymmm> you have to kill a kill into them
[12:26:20] <Jymmm> kick
[12:26:24] <pfred1> yeah I'd do deal like the pen deal all day long
[12:26:40] <Jymmm> few sharpies too
[12:26:42] <pfred1> then I got a bucket of wrenches for $2
[12:26:52] <pfred1> that is what i bought the pens for the sharpie markers
[12:26:53] <Jymmm> yard sale?
[12:26:55] <pfred1> I use those to mark steel
[12:27:24] <pfred1> easier then dykem blue
[12:27:35] <Jymmm> cheaper too
[12:27:41] <pfred1> which I have but I hate waiting for it to dry
[12:28:11] <pfred1> so I usually just use a sharpie
[12:28:29] <pfred1> but using them on steel beats the crap out of them
[12:28:45] <pfred1> grease oil rust
[12:28:59] <Jymmm> pfred1: have you tried wax pens?
[12:29:06] <pfred1> grease pencils?
[12:29:09] <Jymmm> yeah
[12:29:21] <pfred1> no i need to scribe lines i use the ink to highlight it
[12:29:29] <Jymmm> ah
[12:29:34] <pfred1> you ink it then scribe marks
[12:29:58] <pfred1> I have keel sticks too
[12:30:07] <Jymmm> never heard of them
[12:30:11] <pfred1> they are like a chalk for marking steel for buring it
[12:30:20] <pfred1> burning it even
[12:30:36] <pfred1> stuff doesn't burn off when you torch the steel
[12:30:49] <Jymmm> really?
[12:31:10] <Loetmichel> if its chalk: it wouldnt. but it will change colour
[12:31:17] <pfred1> yeah it is chalk bound in wax or something
[12:31:21] <Jymmm> ah
[12:31:25] <pfred1> I don't know seems a little slippery to me
[12:31:33] <pfred1> might be some kind of a rock
[12:31:53] <pfred1> I just heard of them as keels
[12:32:05] <Loetmichel> there are "wax crayons" especially for marking steel which are basically a chalk infused with bees wax
[12:32:33] <pfred1> of course google is completely braindead of all things mechanical
[12:34:06] <Tom_itx> soap stone
[12:34:06] <pfred1> ah but google can find keel holders
[12:34:22] <pfred1> is that what it is?
[12:34:27] <pfred1> it is kind of slippery
[12:35:13] <pfred1> hrmm I've always heard the stuff just called keels some things like that are regional
[12:35:34] <pfred1> though it is odd i can find keel holders easily
[12:36:40] <pfred1> I can remember when I was yound and all the old timers kept on talking about the power pits so I was looking for sunken areas with like electrical equipment in them
[12:36:49] <pfred1> turns out they were saying parapit
[12:37:37] <ssi> soapstone
[12:37:48] <pfred1> keel!
[12:37:50] <Tom_itx> that's what i said
[12:38:15] <pfred1> OK then how come you put soapstone into keel holders?
[12:38:20] <ssi> yes, yes apparently you did
[12:38:55] <ReadError> awwww yeaaa
[12:38:58] <ReadError> motors turn ;)
[12:39:06] <pfred1> well that is what i use to mark steel if I don't use a sharpie
[12:39:13] <ssi> yea
[12:39:18] <ReadError> anyone else here have a g540 ?
[12:39:24] <ssi> ReadError: I've got two!
[12:39:27] <ssi> one's not even in use
[12:39:30] <pfred1> ReadError I just got a GT 520
[12:39:40] <ReadError> i get fault with charge pump on
[12:39:45] <ReadError> i turn it off, it boots green
[12:39:46] <fliebel> djdelorie: Weird, if max Z is 0. That's what it says in the comments at the top, but then it moves to Z25 O_o
[12:49:26] <archivist> ReadError, read the mailing list specially thread "G540 Test Update"
[12:51:21] <archivist> ReadError, the charge pump input is a little strange so can be hard to drive with some parallel ports
[12:53:14] <djdelorie> fliebel: min/max are absolute limits of the machine, but in most cases, the coordinates you see in gcode are *part* relative, not *machine* relative
[12:54:46] <fliebel> djdelorie: So it all depends on the origin/starting position of the file/machine. Kind of confusing.
[12:55:18] <Loetmichel> *shit* not enough room for the second LPT port... now i have to solder the ribbon cable in directly... :-( -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13125
[12:56:36] <Tom_itx> would a 1/2" plate be enough heatsink for the gecko 203v's running midrange current?
[12:58:34] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: can you git it some fins http://www.pmdx.com/Heatsink-01
[12:58:39] <Jymmm> give it
[12:58:52] <archivist> Tom_itx, depends on airflow
[13:00:29] <Tom_itx> Jymmm that's a $100 heatsink
[13:00:49] <Tom_itx> that's just stupid
[13:01:24] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I didn't suggest you BUY it, just if you can give your 1/2" plate some fins sorta LIE it
[13:01:32] <Jymmm> LIKE
[13:01:37] <Tom_itx> i figured as much too
[13:01:53] <Tom_itx> i may try out my slitting saw on it
[13:03:06] <Tom_itx> or drill holes thru it and watercool it :)
[13:03:23] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Aluminum-Large-Rectangle-Heatsink-/251035594780?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a72e3301c
[13:03:54] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=large+heat+sink
[13:04:03] <pfred1> I've cut 1/2" plate aluminum on a table saw
[13:04:18] <pfred1> just hang onto it
[13:05:42] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: http://www.ebay.com/itm/LARGE-ALUMINUM-HEAT-SINK-12-x-6-x-1-5-8-12-FINS-/200748403564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2ebd898b6c
[13:06:09] <Tom_itx> mmm gecko seems to be offline here
[13:07:33] <Tom_itx> it there a better recomended driver than the 203v?
[13:07:38] <Tom_itx> for steppers
[13:08:01] <Jymmm> Gecko or Parker
[13:08:03] <Tom_itx> beside the 4 in 1 one
[13:08:31] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: heh... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZSIBILb2Cc
[13:09:09] <djdelorie> fliebel: safer to have Z's 0 be up, so tool changes don't smash the tool into the bed. Otherwise, most of your machining operations are relative to wherever the part is
[13:09:27] <Tom_itx> gawd you think he has enough z clear there?
[13:10:26] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Just curious, why nt the G540?
[13:10:30] <Jymmm> *not
[13:10:52] <Tom_itx> umm
[13:10:53] <Tom_itx> i forget
[13:11:04] <Jymmm> you using paraport?
[13:11:08] <pfred1> it is weak compared to the separate drives
[13:11:11] <Tom_itx> with mesa cards yes
[13:11:26] <Jymmm> pfred1: how so?
[13:11:31] <pfred1> amps
[13:11:37] <Jymmm> ah
[13:11:41] <pfred1> 540 is 3.5 amps isn't it?
[13:11:48] <Jymmm> I believe so
[13:11:51] <Tom_itx> 203 is 7 iirc
[13:11:56] <pfred1> stand alone geckos are 7 or 8
[13:11:57] <Jymmm> gotcha
[13:12:14] <Tom_itx> so even if i don't use 7 it would be more rugged
[13:12:18] <pfred1> they make some cheesewhiz 3.5 stand alone now
[13:12:27] <Jymmm> If Tom_itx is using a mesa card, then there's no benefit in the 540's breakout
[13:12:47] <Tom_itx> i wasn't planning to get a 540
[13:12:54] <pfred1> yeah the stand alones are a lot more powerful
[13:13:10] <Jymmm> heh cheezwiz
[13:13:23] <Jymmm> cheezwiz cnc!
[13:13:31] <pfred1> well 3.5 compared to 7
[13:13:51] <pfred1> in this case double is a lot
[13:14:08] <Jymmm> The nice thing about the 540 is it's built in BOB, chargepump, relay control, opto, etc.
[13:14:15] <Jymmm> no wiring etc
[13:14:23] <pfred1> true it is all in one and it is all most need
[13:14:38] <Jymmm> and in a tiny pkg
[13:14:46] <pfred1> yup neat install
[13:14:53] <Tom_itx> but i might need 3.6A
[13:14:57] <Tom_itx> instead of 3.5
[13:15:07] <pfred1> you never going to miss a tenth of an amp
[13:15:18] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: If you are going to use a mesa card, I wouldn't even think of using a G540.
[13:15:23] <Tom_itx> so at what point do you add them and you would miss one?
[13:15:34] <ReadError> ;o
[13:15:40] <ReadError> mock up is working great
[13:15:53] <pfred1> Tom_itx when it is double
[13:15:55] <Tom_itx> Jymmm i never did
[13:16:00] <Tom_itx> ok i gotta run
[13:16:08] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Is this going on a BP or somethign with big ass steppers?
[13:16:17] <Tom_itx> no
[13:16:21] <Tom_itx> sherline :)
[13:16:30] <pfred1> 540 run a sherline
[13:16:49] <pfred1> TB6560 run a sherline
[13:17:09] <pfred1> $22.95 done
[13:18:40] <ReadError> i think it supports higher than 3.5
[13:18:48] <pfred1> amps?
[13:18:51] <ReadError> since, in the manual they say you can run above 3.5 w/o a resistor
[13:19:03] <pfred1> yeah because that is all it'll ever put out
[13:19:11] <ReadError> ahh ok
[13:19:25] <ReadError> well im just glad everything works the 1st time ;)
[13:19:28] <ReadError> thats always lovely
[13:19:47] <pfred1> you never have to worry about it putting out more tha n3.5 because it can't
[13:20:11] <Jymmm> I LOVE the BRB, and the "Extreme" controller... Oh skunkworks... You need to put this guy to shame!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNqYdawHScI&feature=related
[13:20:12] <ReadError> what if a motor tries to pull more?
[13:20:17] <ReadError> its current limiting?
[13:20:31] <pfred1> doesn't matter all a stepper driver is is a current limiter
[13:20:46] <pfred1> pull all you want
[13:20:57] <pfred1> it ain't gonna give it to you
[13:21:40] <ReadError> ahh
[13:21:47] <ReadError> so no risk burning anything up, which is good ;)
[13:22:17] <pfred1> well running the drive full is strain
[13:22:56] <pfred1> but it is designed to do it so shouldn't be a problem probably has 50 amp mosfets in it
[13:25:16] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: Here ya go, he's runing 203v and 540oz steppers... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNqYdawHScI&feature=related
[13:25:56] <pfred1> I've seen this goof
[13:25:59] <Jymmm> That's the BEST estop I've ever seen!
[13:26:12] <pfred1> I hope that isn't an estop
[13:26:20] <Jymmm> pfred1: It is =)
[13:26:24] <pfred1> oh OK switch on the side
[13:26:35] <Jymmm> estop on the side
[13:26:43] <Jymmm> pwr on front
[13:26:46] <pfred1> I saw the on off twist switch
[13:27:14] <pfred1> ah how does his fan draw air?
[13:27:19] <Jymmm> pfred1: I think he was too lazy to drill a hoel in the fornt for the BRB
[13:27:32] <Jymmm> pfred1: The two 1/2" punch out holes of course
[13:27:48] <Jymmm> ok 3/4" maybe
[13:27:58] <pfred1> this guy has aspergers doesn't he?
[13:28:21] <Jymmm> pfred1: I think more like WTFergers
[13:29:07] <pfred1> did he just call mach mack?
[13:29:58] <Jymmm> I still say skunkworks needs to give a video reply to his "EXTREME" controller
[13:31:21] <Jymmm> Would GPIO trump paraport dramatically?
[13:41:44] <pfred1> it is extreme in the realm of mach controllers
[13:42:05] <Jymmm> eh, ok
[13:42:21] <Jymmm> Loetmichel: is that a PCI riser card I see?
[13:42:28] <pfred1> only hobbiests run mach
[13:42:42] <Jymmm> pfred1: and TurboCNC?
[13:43:01] <pfred1> turbo baby
[13:43:04] <alex4nder> what's up
[13:43:17] <Jymmm> pfred1: I like TCNC, but I like DOS too.
[13:43:23] * pfred1 would rather be blown than injected
[13:43:44] * Jymmm steps away from pfred1
[13:43:52] <alex4nder> haha
[13:47:38] <pfred1> oh yeah that'd work: http://www.flickr.com/photos/martin_del_mar/4588435110/
[13:49:07] <Jymmm> pfred1: Where do you plugin the recharging station?
[13:49:26] <A0Sheds> anyone have a cnc lathe for sale?
[13:49:30] <pfred1> I donno I'm still trying to figure out why they put the belt on backwards
[13:50:04] <Jymmm> pfred1: how is it backwards?
[13:50:15] <pfred1> you should be able to read it from the front
[13:50:24] <Jymmm> it is
[13:50:39] <pfred1> it is a Gates
[13:50:47] <pfred1> the G should be on the top
[13:51:26] <Jymmm> Ah, so it is. I was reading the "BOS"
[13:51:30] <pfred1> :)
[13:52:12] <pfred1> probably doesn't matter but if I was taking a pic I'd make sure it was you know the visual right way around
[13:53:11] <pfred1> that and it really doesn't have a mr. Gasket sitting on top of it so I'm not completely in love
[13:53:17] <Jymmm> pfred1: They probably had other issues when putting on the belt
[13:53:35] <pfred1> anyone that builds that motor has deep seated issues
[13:53:46] <pfred1> thing probably makes 2,000 HP
[13:54:07] <Jymmm> I didn't read the specs on it
[13:54:10] <pfred1> that is a blown 426 hemi
[13:54:17] <pfred1> you don't need any specs
[13:54:31] <Jymmm> I doubt 2K, maybe 800
[13:54:45] <pfred1> bwahaha the motor is 600 HP stock
[13:54:59] <Jymmm> Nuh uh
[13:55:09] <Jymmm> well 71 might
[13:55:30] <pfred1> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080228030510AAyAXdw
[13:55:54] <Jymmm> SOB
[13:55:55] <pfred1> Ok only 500 stock
[13:56:01] <ReadError> alex4nder: you tore up any belts yet?
[13:56:02] <Jymmm> yeah, same diff
[13:56:20] <Jymmm> pfred1: pre electronic ignition bs =)
[13:56:32] <pfred1> E ignition is no BS
[13:56:34] <alex4nder> ReadError: not yet
[13:56:37] <pfred1> way better than points
[13:57:05] <Jymmm> pfred1: sure, but 71 didn't have the smog regs iirc other than a PCV valve I thought
[13:57:09] <alex4nder> hah points
[13:57:11] <pfred1> I dropped electronic ignition into my buddy's 327 and we took it out for a spin he looked ove at me and screamed, 'Twice the powah!"
[13:57:27] <pfred1> he had to scream he was running open headers
[13:58:24] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: ping
[13:58:45] <pfred1> Jymmm the PCV on my 66 is a pipe that dumps under the oil pan
[13:59:00] <Jymmm> pfred1: heh
[13:59:04] <pfred1> it is funny
[13:59:29] <pfred1> keeps the dust down on the roads
[13:59:39] <Jymmm> hahahahahahahaha
[13:59:54] <pfred1> I remember when they used to spray roads with oil
[14:00:07] <pfred1> the good old days ...
[14:00:08] <Jymmm> I have a dead 17" laptop and I'd like to repurpose the LCD. 1) Do most/all use LVDS or some propritary cabling. 2) Are they pretty much universal or require some voodoo to repurpose HW/SW wise?
[14:00:28] <alex4nder> there's a lot of LVDS cross-over
[14:00:32] <alex4nder> but you better be lucky
[14:00:35] <pfred1> I was looking for another flat screen today
[14:00:50] <Jymmm> alex4nder: cross-over?
[14:00:53] <pfred1> I been picking htem up at sales for $5 and $10
[14:01:07] <Jymmm> pfred1: what size?
[14:01:22] <alex4nder> Jymmm: compatibility between models and vendors
[14:01:28] <pfred1> one is an acer AL1916
[14:01:48] <Jymmm> alex4nder: and queston #2 ?
[14:02:06] <pfred1> another is a dell I can't see the number
[14:02:14] <pfred1> let me see i think i have it in a file here
[14:02:20] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that answer applies to both questions
[14:02:28] <alex4nder> you see alot of compatilbityy
[14:02:32] <alex4nder> especially on the low-end
[14:02:49] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Right, but what would a mobo see at that point?
[14:03:03] <Jymmm> alex4nder: the LVDS is built into a mobo in this case
[14:03:12] <Jymmm> not laptop
[14:03:20] <alex4nder> what?
[14:03:48] <alex4nder> I mean, LVDS is just a way to move bits
[14:03:49] <pfred1> (II) RADEON(0): Monitor name: DELL SE198WFP
[14:04:03] <Jymmm> alex4nder: I found a mobo that has LVDS on it. What does it see as the display if I conect an LCD panel to it?
[14:04:14] <Jymmm> alex4nder: does it need drivers?
[14:04:31] <alex4nder> Jymmm: the LCD doesn't, but the video controller has to be configured properly
[14:04:40] <pfred1> all monitors need is EDID right?
[14:04:53] <alex4nder> if the EDID is telling the truth, it's a start
[14:05:25] <Jymmm> alex4nder: There is also a brightness baklight header on the mobo, is that usually part of the video driver?
[14:05:25] <pfred1> in Linux you can make it work no matter what with modelines
[14:05:44] <alex4nder> Jymmm: it depends
[14:06:04] <Jymmm> alex4nder: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153212
[14:06:13] <alex4nder> the board I'm working on right now has it external to the video chipset
[14:06:46] <Jymmm> that mobo also has GPIO too
[14:07:00] <Jymmm> and paraport header
[14:09:55] <pfred1> why not just get a new motehrvoard?
[14:10:08] <pfred1> motherboard
[14:10:11] <Jymmm> pfred1: I was thining of buying that mobo
[14:10:27] * pfred1 is fading fast got up like 4 AM
[14:10:41] <Jymmm> same here
[14:10:52] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that looks like some standard pineview LVDS .. there's Linux support.. look at the drivers, see if there's a backlight
[14:10:56] <pfred1> you're on the waste coast though right?
[14:11:10] <alex4nder> s/waste/best/
[14:11:14] <Jymmm> pfred1: yes, it's noon now
[14:11:25] <pfred1> well you 4 AM comes 4 hours after mine does
[14:11:52] * pfred1 could have used an extra 4 hours sleep ...
[14:12:07] <Jymmm> G'Night =)
[14:12:16] <pfred1> pretty soon I'm beat
[14:12:26] <alex4nder> late
[14:12:50] <alex4nder> I'm just eating breakfast.
[14:13:01] <alex4nder> at noon
[14:13:36] <Jymmm> alex4nder: so either way, there's no reason it shouldn't work?
[14:14:05] <Jymmm> Not looking for performance of anything,
[14:14:25] <alex4nder> should be ok
[14:14:36] <alex4nder> but like I said, it depends on a lot of factors
[14:14:40] <pfred1> alex4nder if you're eating at noon it is lunch
[14:14:49] <alex4nder> pfred1: I disagree
[14:14:52] <alex4nder> I'm breaking the fast.
[14:14:54] <Jymmm> cool, as long as it doens't default to 640x480or some nonsense
[14:14:54] <pfred1> lunch!
[14:15:02] <alex4nder> haha
[14:15:07] <alex4nder> pfred1: and it's dim sum
[14:15:11] <alex4nder> over here on the waste coast
[14:15:38] <pfred1> buncha pot heads we should give that state back to mexico
[14:15:56] <alex4nder> if california left the US, it'd have the GDP of some third worlds
[14:16:09] <alex4nder> it's why the flyover states are so angry
[14:16:10] <pfred1> I thought cali was in debt
[14:16:23] <alex4nder> the government is
[14:16:34] <alex4nder> when have you ever seen a useful politician?
[14:16:40] <pfred1> well they have to start tapping that GDP then
[14:16:56] <alex4nder> too many republicans own businesses here
[14:17:04] <pfred1> I also thought companies were leaving cali in droves
[14:17:15] <alex4nder> not from what I've seen
[14:17:19] <pfred1> I hear texas is a better business climate
[14:17:20] <Jymmm> alex4nder: What do you thik of that mobo overall?
[14:17:26] <alex4nder> Jymmm: looks pretty cool
[14:17:30] <alex4nder> pfred1: but then you have to be in texas
[14:17:40] <Jymmm> alex4nder: did you see the daughtercards?!
[14:18:14] <Jymmm> alex4nder: http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/Mini_PCIE.html
[14:18:49] <alex4nder> Jymmm: yah; that's just mini-PCIe though. ;)
[14:18:50] <Jymmm> alex4nder: the serial ports can be set to RS-232, 422, 488(?)
[14:19:00] <Jymmm> onboard, not the addin ones
[14:19:09] <alex4nder> nice
[14:19:22] <Jymmm> has 8 GPIO too and c source code
[14:19:29] <Jymmm> exampel file
[14:19:39] <Jymmm> I'll pastbin it
[14:20:12] <Jymmm> alex4nder: http://codepad.org/1jVKvhbL
[14:20:39] <Jymmm> err maybe 6 GPIO
[14:20:39] <pfred1> #include <dos.h>
[14:20:42] <pfred1> ?!?
[14:20:49] <Jymmm> yeah
[14:20:54] <Thetawaves> how much do the jetway shit cost?
[14:21:01] <Jymmm> $180
[14:21:08] <alex4nder> pfred1: haha outp, son!
[14:21:17] <alex4nder> we're coding like it's 1985
[14:21:25] <pfred1> goto
[14:21:50] <Jymmm> it's just sampel code fro the chipset mfr I believe
[14:22:32] <pfred1> this is C++?
[14:22:40] <mrsun> C
[14:22:44] <mrsun> i guess? :P
[14:22:51] <pfred1> how come C++ comment style?
[14:23:07] <alex4nder> why not
[14:23:07] <pfred1> can C deal with // ?
[14:23:15] <alex4nder> any modern C can.. it's in the standard
[14:23:25] <pfred1> OK didn't know C could do both
[14:23:41] <pfred1> I thought it could only handle /* */
[14:24:06] <Jymmm> alex4nder: http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/NF99.html
[14:24:09] <pfred1> if C can handle // then what makes C++ ++?
[14:24:20] <Jymmm> LOVE that it has intel nics
[14:24:21] <alex4nder> classes, the STL, etc.
[14:24:50] <alex4nder> templates
[14:25:30] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that's a pretty nice combination of ports
[14:25:50] <pfred1> alex4nder I bet that is what you say to all the mobos
[14:26:12] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Yeah, I thought so. intel nics, 6 sata, lvds
[14:26:32] <Jymmm> alex4nder: too bad it wasn't i5 instead of atom
[14:26:34] <alex4nder> Jymmm: get one, and I'll copy you
[14:26:40] <alex4nder> I need to upgrade my controller
[14:26:47] <pfred1> what is wrong with atom?
[14:26:48] <Jymmm> alex4nder: =)
[14:27:07] <Jymmm> pfred1: No hypervisor support
[14:27:14] <pfred1> atoms are only 32 bit aren't they?
[14:27:21] <Thetawaves> hypervisor cnc machine?
[14:27:23] <Thetawaves> wtf?
[14:27:32] <pfred1> what is a hypervisor?
[14:27:42] <pfred1> like a boss that should switch to the decaff?
[14:27:43] <Thetawaves> you can run your db server on your lathe!! great idea!!
[14:27:46] <Jymmm> pfred1: Virtual Machine support in the CPU
[14:28:08] <alex4nder> Jymmm: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856107095 <- even with that case it might be nice
[14:28:21] <pfred1> Jymmm when do you use that?
[14:28:46] <Jymmm> pfred1: Lets say you want to have windows CAd program runnign on the same machine
[14:29:03] <pfred1> no way
[14:29:22] <pfred1> I ran some 3D file viewer in wine once
[14:29:35] <alex4nder> brb
[14:29:47] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Ah shit, even has PS hawt damn
[14:29:54] <pfred1> trash filetype had no native Linux viewer
[14:30:11] <Jymmm> pfred1: VM's are the best thign ever
[14:30:27] * pfred1 is 100% native
[14:30:48] <Jymmm> pfred1: you really should check some out.
[14:30:55] <pfred1> what for?
[14:31:05] <Jymmm> Oh man, for everything (almost).
[14:31:08] <Thetawaves> just buy another computer instead
[14:31:18] <pfred1> I have almost everything on Linux now
[14:31:26] <Jymmm> If you want to backup a base os so you don't have to do a full install.
[14:31:46] <Jymmm> If you install soemthing and it fucks up everything you just do a rollback and you're good to go
[14:32:00] <pfred1> I need to take one more crack at getting KDE 3.5 going on my new junker
[14:32:09] <Jymmm> If you need to test something, just copy a VM and create a new one in like 3 minutes
[14:32:24] <Jymmm> you just copy the VM to make a backup of it
[14:32:30] <Jymmm> no need to reinstall
[14:33:40] <Jymmm> You can have (for example) xp running ie7, ie8, ie9 in diferent VM's all runnging at the same time testing websites (if your a dev)
[14:33:50] <Jymmm> same goes with testing other sw/hw
[14:33:50] <pfred1> eeewww
[14:34:04] <Jymmm> it was just an example silly
[14:34:11] <pfred1> last windows i ran was windows 95
[14:34:33] <Jymmm> That's fine, you can have a W95 VM if you wanted
[14:34:40] <Jymmm> and a W98 along side it too
[14:34:43] <pfred1> I been running linux 24/7/365 since 1996
[14:35:15] <Jymmm> Hell you can have a DOS VM so you can play your old schools too =)
[14:35:21] <Jymmm> games
[14:35:24] <Jymmm> video games
[14:35:25] <pfred1> I can do that now
[14:35:42] <Jymmm> there I guess you're good to go.
[14:35:47] <pfred1> those game run natively in Linux
[14:35:56] <pfred1> Doom Quake
[14:36:12] <Jymmm> I said OLD school. Remember the TURBO button?
[14:36:24] <Thetawaves> did you guys know that Call of duty modern warfare 3 is based on quake 3 engine?
[14:36:25] <pfred1> heck I got the code for battlezone off a 5.25 floppy i found in the back of a book and ran it
[14:36:39] <Jymmm> 4.77MHz vs 12MHz Turbo button
[14:37:05] <pfred1> Jymmm you ever run xmame?
[14:37:34] <Jymmm> *X*mame, no. But I barly use mame to much either these days
[14:37:37] <pfred1> it is an emulator
[14:38:05] <pfred1> I don't know if it needs a hypervisor or not
[14:38:09] <Jymmm> pfred1: Heh, how many ROMs do you have?
[14:38:24] <pfred1> I donno I have a half a CD of them somewhere
[14:38:38] <Jymmm> pfred1: Nah, MAME doens't do HV
[14:38:48] <pfred1> robotron joist defender all the classics
[14:38:57] <pfred1> joust even
[14:39:06] <Jymmm> pfred1: I mean the older than that
[14:39:17] <pfred1> what is older than that pong?
[14:39:24] <Jymmm> XT/286/386 days
[14:39:32] <pfred1> those are arcade games
[14:39:46] <Jymmm> PC games, not arcade
[14:39:49] <pfred1> they're pretty much second gen ones
[14:40:09] <pfred1> 1st gen arcade games were pretty lame
[14:40:29] <Jymmm> Hey, leace space invaders outta this ! ;)
[14:40:32] <Jymmm> leave
[14:40:35] <pfred1> I was in 7th grade when Pong came out
[14:40:54] <Jymmm> I had pong
[14:41:05] <pfred1> oh yeah i had to have it I had a telstar
[14:41:20] <Jymmm> dont know what that is
[14:41:23] <pfred1> it played pong handball and hockey
[14:41:28] <Jymmm> oh
[14:41:37] <Jymmm> I mean an Atario Pong console
[14:41:45] <pfred1> yes it was a console
[14:41:59] <Jymmm> http://www.atarimuseum.com/videogames/dedicated/100_3318-sm.jpg
[14:42:04] <Jymmm> that is what I had
[14:42:27] <pfred1> http://www.pinkgorillagames.com/retro_reviews/coleco_telstar_1976.php
[14:42:36] <pfred1> that was the year 1976
[14:43:01] <Jymmm> i only remember colecovision with thee keypad on the controllers
[14:44:39] <pfred1> ah wait i guess I did get mine in 1977
[14:45:05] <pfred1> this is the exact one I had http://www.pinkgorillagames.com/retro/coleco telstar classic-thumb.JPG
[14:45:39] <Jymmm> =)
[14:46:28] <pfred1> I must have been in 9th grade
[14:46:41] <alex4nder> yoh
[14:46:41] <Jymmm> alex4nder: It just KILLS ME when I see a pwr adapter instead of a built-in PS =(
[14:46:59] <pfred1> Jymmm man that was high tech
[14:47:17] <Jymmm> pfred1: Yes, yes it was.
[14:47:34] <Jymmm> pfred1: saved me a lot of quarters is all I remember =)
[14:47:43] <pfred1> watch the unmodified star wars first movie and check out the targeting computers
[14:48:11] <pfred1> we were all like oh and ah in 1976 when we saw a tic tac toe grid
[14:48:21] <Jymmm> alex4nder: At least they were kind enough to include the 6 sata cables in the chassis =)
[14:48:29] <pfred1> we were like wow look the future!
[14:48:59] <alex4nder> Jymmm: haha yah
[14:49:10] <pfred1> I need a short sata cable
[14:49:30] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that might be a good box to throw under my mill
[14:49:36] <alex4nder> to replace the P3 1GHz I have right now
[14:49:41] <Jymmm> pfred1: I remember watchign star trek and spock with shove a square thing into the science console, a few years later the 3.5" fdd came out =)
[14:49:42] <pfred1> oh yeah that was another thing I got in my $3 pen bin a USB to sub USB cord
[14:50:19] <pfred1> heck spock was like 1968
[14:50:27] <pfred1> they didn't have floppy drives back then
[14:50:35] <pfred1> they had HDDs the size of washing machines
[14:50:38] <Jymmm> alex4nder: There are much cheaper atom board if you dont need the 6 data or require the intel nics
[14:50:46] <Jymmm> s/data/sata/
[14:50:48] <pfred1> you had to load platters with an engine hoist
[14:51:17] <Jymmm> heh
[14:51:23] <pfred1> I'm not kidding
[14:51:35] <pfred1> they had engine hoists for changing the platters in the things
[14:51:36] <Jymmm> I know you're not, that's why I'm chuckling
[14:51:49] <alex4nder> Jymmm: I like the port combination.. the cost is no big deal
[14:51:50] <pfred1> I think the disk assembly weighed like 300 pounds
[14:52:17] <pfred1> you could drop them right in though
[14:52:31] <Jymmm> alex4nder: The 6 GPIO sunds very interesting if emc can take advantage of it. thent he paraport header for limit switches etc
[14:52:54] <Jymmm> alex4nder: LVDS for a display in a single enclosure
[14:54:18] <alex4nder> yup
[14:54:32] <Jymmm> alex4nder: this dead laptop has a slim DVD sata drive too and uses standard connectors
[14:54:49] <Jymmm> brb
[14:58:30] <alex4nder> Jymmm: it looks like a 12v supply to.. and I already have one of those under my mill, alongside the 48v
[14:58:30] <pfred1> man I had a leet fortune cookie database
[15:09:21] <pfred1> I cannot figure out how to count the output of my fortune database though
[15:10:11] <pfred1> you think something as simple as fortune -f | wc -l would work but it doesn't
[15:17:49] <pfred1> ha this works fortune -f 2>&1 | wc -l
[15:36:18] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that NF96FL doesn't have the ethernet you want, but it has a built-in power supply, which looks sick
[15:40:04] <ReadError> either im doing something really wrong
[15:40:10] <ReadError> or that motor went on really easily
[15:40:28] <ReadError> gap set perfect, even all about
[15:40:49] <ReadError> i set the grap by screwing/unscrewing the collar
[15:41:10] <alex4nder> take a picture
[15:41:19] <ReadError> 1sec
[15:46:57] <alex4nder> Jymmm: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html
[15:47:00] <alex4nder> that board looks great
[15:48:41] <Loetmichel> sooo, rear left side (Power panel) done also... waiting for delivery of the IEC 320 C14 panel mount sockets... -> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=13128
[15:49:02] <ReadError> http://p.twimg.com/ArCE8QJCIAEswM2.jpg:large
[15:49:08] <ReadError> sorry camera phone
[15:49:12] <Loetmichel> done for now, going to bed (its 22:39 over here, my wife starts to complain)
[15:49:16] <ReadError> but i tried to get the table in the background
[15:49:35] <ReadError> seem acceptable gap wise?
[15:49:50] <ReadError> i dont have a feeler guage
[15:58:59] <joe9> ReadError: seems too close, imho.
[15:59:30] <alex4nder> ReadError: you want more gap
[15:59:38] <alex4nder> double that would be good
[16:00:02] <ReadError> ah i can just loosen that ring and back it out a few turns
[16:01:55] <alex4nder> it's not a deal breaker, you'll just put strain on bearings if the coupling isn't loose enough
[16:02:31] <ReadError> i put my drill on the nut, and move the x axis around
[16:02:35] <ReadError> got it going really nice
[16:02:38] <ReadError> needed a little oil
[16:10:11] <ReadError> alex4nder: got a link to your ps3 controller configs?
[16:13:03] <Jymmm> alex4nder: mobo warranty 2yr, mobo in that case 1yr =)
[16:13:26] <alex4nder> ReadError: no.. but you can find some config files around on the net
[16:13:30] <alex4nder> there's also a video somewhere
[16:14:43] <alex4nder> Jymmm: I think I'm going to order a DN2800MT
[16:15:00] <Jymmm> link?
[16:16:30] <alex4nder> Jymmm: http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/motherboards/desktop-motherboards/desktop-board-dn2800mt.html
[16:17:26] <alex4nder> and just power it off of the second 12v supply I've got
[16:18:35] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:18:50] <alex4nder> late
[16:21:52] <Jymmm> alex4nder: Heh, it ranks about the same as the 525
[16:21:59] <alex4nder> 'ranks'
[16:22:19] <alex4nder> except it's thin and has PCIe
[16:22:29] <Jymmm> 723 vs 714
[16:24:13] <Jymmm> alex4nder: I think this is what a few ppl are running emc on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442
[16:24:33] <alex4nder> yup
[16:24:41] <Jymmm> $75 usd
[16:25:02] <alex4nder> the 2800 is the 2/3-gen replacement for the D525MW
[16:25:30] <Jymmm> I understand, just when I looked at the benchmarks for cpu, about the same
[16:25:33] <alex4nder> well more the D945
[16:26:03] <Jymmm> alex4nder: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php
[16:26:33] <alex4nder> right, but if CPU performance were a prime concern, none of these boards would be any good
[16:26:41] <alex4nder> the only thing I really care about is latency and I/O
[16:27:17] <alex4nder> the I/O of the DN2800MT is great, but I don't know anyone who has run one for RTAI
[16:27:41] <Jymmm> i didnt see anythign speiacl IO wise on it
[16:27:56] <Jymmm> except hdmi
[16:28:14] <alex4nder> it has intel ethernet, built in power regulation, HDMI, LVDS, eDP, parallel, RS232, two mini-PCIe, and PCI express
[16:28:37] <Jymmm> eDP ?
[16:28:44] <alex4nder> embedded display port
[16:28:48] <Jymmm> ah
[16:29:15] <alex4nder> and it supports mSATA on one of the mini-PCIes
[16:29:49] * alex4nder shrugs.
[16:30:01] <Jymmm> oh, I didn't realize the PS was on-board
[16:31:31] <Jymmm> nice voltage range
[16:35:04] <Jymmm> .79" tall
[16:35:17] <Thetawaves> actually, CPU performance is paramount with the atom board, just not the performance metric you are used to looking at.
[16:36:34] <alex4nder> Thetawaves: useless statement is useless
[16:36:44] <alex4nder> or in other words: no shit. ;)
[16:41:27] <ReadError> http://p.twimg.com/ArCQoV8CMAERK-t.jpg:large
[16:41:49] <alex4nder> sick
[16:41:57] <ReadError> yea shop is a mess heh
[16:42:15] <alex4nder> how's she working?
[16:42:29] <ReadError> just gotta bring the box down there
[16:42:31] <ReadError> and hook it up :)
[16:42:50] <alex4nder> cool
[16:43:10] <Jymmm> ReadError: You might consider using a panle mount IEC connectore instead of just mountng the stub in a j box
[16:43:54] <Jymmm> ReadError: the molding on those is just not any good
[16:44:52] <Jymmm> ReadError: oh, and it's WAY TOO CLEAN =)
[16:45:55] <ReadError> Jymmm
[16:46:09] <ReadError> im going to mount the connectors with these 12' cables
[16:46:15] <ReadError> using velco wraps around the motors
[16:46:18] <ReadError> i think..
[16:47:08] <alex4nder> Jymmm: that j-box setup is the stock Taig wiring
[16:47:28] <Jymmm> alex4nder: seriously? cheap bastards
[16:47:49] <alex4nder> Jymmm: it's not cheap if you they don't charge you for something you're not getting. :D
[16:48:54] <Jymmm> O_o
[16:49:18] <alex4nder> what?
[16:49:25] <Jymmm> thats what I say
[16:50:18] <alex4nder> plus anyone who is going CNC should be rewiring it with a spindle control relay
[16:50:54] <alex4nder> which is on my list
[16:51:53] <Jymmm> Man, $180 for an atom mobo, that's a bit rough
[16:52:18] <ReadError> i think they are like 80$ on newegg
[16:52:29] <Jymmm> ReadError: Special one
[16:52:37] <Jymmm> ReadError: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153212
[16:53:09] <ReadError> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119037
[16:53:32] <ReadError> whats special about that one?
[16:53:50] <Jymmm> 6 sata and dual INTEL nics
[16:54:14] <ReadError> aww lame no onboard parallel?
[16:54:45] <Jymmm> the one I linked to has a paraport header, LVDS, and 5 GPIO pins
[16:54:51] <Jymmm> 6 GPIO
[16:54:54] <Thetawaves> jetway compatible
[16:55:06] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: ?
[16:55:22] <Thetawaves> Jetway Daughter Board Compatible
[16:55:29] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: ah, yeah
[16:55:29] <Thetawaves> which is these right
[16:55:30] <Thetawaves> http://www.jetwaycomputer.com/Mini_PCIE.html
[16:55:48] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: so I can have 85 sata ports =)
[16:55:53] <Thetawaves> i saw an pc104 atom computer
[16:56:00] <Jymmm> all off an atom mobo =)
[16:56:26] <Thetawaves> how?
[16:56:31] <Thetawaves> only one pci port
[16:56:35] <Jymmm> 6 sata should be fine. homefully I can bond the dual nics for 2Gbps
[16:57:00] <Thetawaves> for what reason!
[16:57:24] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: I think the daughterboard was 2 or 4 sata ports, for a total of 8
[16:57:32] <Jymmm> Thetawaves: nas box
[16:57:54] <Thetawaves> nas + cnc controller?
[16:57:57] <Jymmm> but, If i was to get that mobo, I'd do the latency test on it
[16:58:24] <Jymmm> nas | cnc
[16:58:40] <Jymmm> its overkill for cnc
[16:59:07] <Thetawaves> i would just buy an old computer on ebay for nas
[16:59:10] <Jymmm> I want a replacement for my current NAS
[16:59:21] <Thetawaves> actually i would buy two old computers on ebay, one for nas and one for cnc
[16:59:33] <Thetawaves> :P
[16:59:57] <Jymmm> I have that already and then some (server mobo's), but too big, too pwr hungry to run 24/7, etc
[17:00:11] <Jymmm> and I want more sata ports
[17:00:22] <Jymmm> 8TB is just not enough
[17:02:30] <Jymmm> I dont think I could saturate a gig link on mech drives though
[17:06:15] <ReadError> is there a linuxcnc 'cheat sheet'
[17:06:25] <ReadError> like one i can print
[17:06:49] <Jymmm> sure, it's 200 pages long though
[17:07:07] <Jymmm> unless you do 12 up per page
[17:07:10] <ReadError> *sad panda*
[17:07:39] <Jymmm> what did you ant specifically?
[17:07:42] <Jymmm> want
[17:07:46] <ReadError> well
[17:07:58] <ReadError> just a quick reference
[17:08:02] <ReadError> with hotkeys and such
[17:08:17] <Jymmm> keyboard commands?
[17:08:35] <ReadError> http://linuxfordummies.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/vim-cheatsheet.png
[17:08:37] <ReadError> yessir
[17:08:55] <Jymmm> ReadError: Did you search the wiki, like this http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Keyboard_Shortcuts
[17:10:39] <ReadError> yea somethin like that thanks, printing
[17:11:30] <Jymmm> ReadError: Also, you could MAKE one and post it on the wiki for others as well
[17:12:28] <ReadError> yea for sure
[17:42:04] <Tom_itx> what happened to the gecko website?
[17:42:21] <Tom_itx> i get a not found now
[17:42:40] <ReadError> magento error ;)
[17:43:26] <KimK> Jymmm: That looks like a nice motherboard, do you have it yet? What's the latency looking like? How many D525's have a PCI connector? I've been thinking I should look around for a good "universal" MB, but haven't done anything about it yet.
[17:47:43] <Tom_itx> anybody have the pdf for the 203v since the gecko site is down?
[17:51:40] <KimK> Other Vim cheatsheets: http://www.viemu.com/a_vi_vim_graphical_cheat_sheet_tutorial.html http://michael.peopleofhonoronly.com/vim/
[17:53:45] <KimK> Tom_itx: I have something called G203V-REV-6-MANUAL.pdf but it's only four pages. Is that what you want?
[17:54:00] <Tom_itx> well it's more than what i have now :)
[17:54:24] <KimK> How shall I get it to you?
[17:54:47] <Tom_itx> dcc?
[17:54:49] <Tom_itx> i dunno
[17:55:37] <KimK> DCC doesn't work for me so well here, firewall, maybe? How about email attachment? PM me if you like.
[17:55:45] <ReadError> KimK: i was just posting that as an example
[17:55:53] <ReadError> i was thinkin it would be nice if linux cnc had one as well
[17:57:26] <KimK> ReadError: The D525? OK, thanks. Yes, it would be nice to find a motherboard that is likely to stay in production for awhile and does not have a lot of latency-bothering devices attached.
[18:00:34] <ReadError> huh?
[18:00:41] <ReadError> i was talking about the vim cheat sheet ;)
[18:01:21] <KimK> ReadError: Oh, OK.
[18:02:09] <KimK> Tom_itx: Here's just the text, sorry it's so goofed up, still looking for a "filebin.com" substitute. http://pastebin.com/07TYcXbw
[18:03:07] <Tom_itx> thanks
[18:03:45] <Jymmm> KimK: Hi LTNS. No, I don't have it, just found it last night. then alex4nder foudn the same in a case as well http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856107095
[18:04:24] <Tom_itx> i like the one for 45 better
[18:04:26] <Jymmm> KimK: Thought eh mobo alone has a 2yr warranty, and the mobo+case has a 1yr. Go figure
[18:04:48] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you want soem for free?
[18:05:10] <KimK> Jymmm: Hi back, thanks.
[18:05:48] <Jymmm> KimK: or were you talking abut the intel mobo?
[18:08:28] <KimK> Well, I'm talking about whatever kind of MB looks like it will be around for awhile and has reasonably high speed and good latency. Well, no latency surprises, anyway. And has at least one PCI slot. No on-board parallel port is probably OK too.
[18:09:24] <Jymmm> KimK: There's the $75 USD one too tht a few on here have used
[18:09:25] <ReadError> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856119037
[18:09:31] <ReadError> check that out
[18:09:34] <ReadError> mobo, case, psu
[18:09:37] <ReadError> 120$
[18:10:21] <KimK> Too bad there isn't some kind of SATA-to-parallel-I/O-bits (not a parallel port) adapter. That would be pretty useful, I'll bet.
[18:10:52] <KimK> It could be expanded to DAC outputs, encoder inputs, etc.
[18:10:53] <Jymmm> ReadError: melted cables, read the reviews
[18:10:57] <Jymmm> KimK: hang on
[18:12:01] <Jymmm> KimK: JT has this one and good latency I iirc http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442
[18:12:26] <Jymmm> KimK: verify with JT to be sure that sthe correct model
[18:12:47] <KimK> Jymmm: OK, thanks, I will.
[18:15:02] <Jymmm> KimK: there's this that alex4nder found but no idea on the latency http://www.mini-box.com/Intel-DN2800MT-Mini-ITX-Motherboard
[18:16:16] <Jymmm> KimK: it's only 20mm tall (0.78")
[18:17:19] <KimK> I don't quite get that 2800, does the PCI card plug in flat to the board? No card guides?
[18:18:53] <Jymmm> There is no PCI slot on the 2800 mobo.
[18:19:03] <pcw_home> no PCI but PCIE x1
[18:19:33] <KimK> Oh, OK, I misunderstood, thanks.
[18:19:34] <Jymmm> It's a standrd PCIe slot, you use the case to fasten the card
[18:19:55] <Jymmm> hi pcw_home
[18:20:19] <pcw_home> hi jymmm
[18:20:31] <KimK> Well, maybe PCIe would work, I'd have to look (3x20?) but I'm not that seriouos about it yet, full plate right now.
[18:20:40] <Jymmm> pcw_home: Hey, you shoudl tremble in fear.... This mobo has SIX, count em *SIX* GPIO on it... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856107095
[18:20:51] <KimK> s/seriouos/serious/
[18:21:14] <pcw_home> 6I25 will work as well
[18:21:28] <Jymmm> wuts that?
[18:21:41] <pcw_home> PCIE version of 5I25
[18:21:48] <Jymmm> ah
[18:21:54] <Jymmm> any mPCIe ?
[18:22:19] <Jymmm> pcw_home: sorry, this mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153212
[18:22:29] <Jymmm> has 6 gpiopins
[18:22:52] <pcw_home> not yet. mPCIE would be pretty easy but needs _real_ mini pci slot (many are just USB)
[18:23:01] <Jymmm> ah
[18:23:13] <Jymmm> ethernet sounds better to me
[18:24:20] <Jymmm> pcw_home: LOL, I just had an epiphany... With IPv6, and your ethernet board. the toaster and toilet REALLY can have it's own ip subnet now
[18:24:45] <pcw_home> I'm already about 5 time faster then the EPP 7I43 with the 7I80 with just a 8 bit Ethernet chip interface (next version will be 16 bit)
[18:25:06] <KimK> Hi pcw_home, what do you think, would a SATA-to-parallel-I/O-bits (not a parallel port) adapter card be of any use. Yes, it would need a driver, but that shouldn't be too bad. The concept could be expanded from GPIO to DAC output, encoder input, etc. As David Letterman asks, "Is this anything?"
[18:25:09] <pcw_home> sorry im not going to bother with IPV6...
[18:25:44] <Jymmm> pcw_home: no no, I mean http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2324
[18:26:36] <Jymmm> pcw_home: err http://tools.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2324.txt
[18:26:48] <pcw_home> KimK Ive thought about it and we already use SATA/PATA bridge chips but it does seem the long way around
[18:28:04] <Jymmm> ethernet just makes sense
[18:28:09] <KimK> OK, I understand. SATA ports are so often seen, though.
[18:28:10] <Jymmm> to me
[18:28:11] <pcw_home> Jymmm: pretty funny. Isn't there a carrier pigeon RFC as well
[18:29:00] <Jymmm> pcw_home: yep, and someone implemented it in REAL LIFE too http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
[18:29:01] <pcw_home> I also worry that the hosts SATA hardware is shared somehow
[18:29:34] <Jymmm> pcw_home: note the ping tim... time=6388671.9 ms
[18:29:50] <pcw_home> :-)
[18:30:20] <Jymmm> pcw_home: so it's been done in RL, what I was saying is use yours to make the coffee pot come to RL
[18:42:24] <robin_sz> so, anyone know Haas G code ?
[18:42:47] <robin_sz> in particular, why does :
[18:43:04] <robin_sz> O 1234 (my program name)
[18:43:15] <robin_sz> throw a "bad number" error>>
[18:43:44] <Tom_itx> try O (1234)
[18:43:54] <Tom_itx> err nevermindk
[18:44:33] <alex4nder> hey
[18:44:41] <Tom_itx> O word doesn't use a N number
[18:44:54] <Tom_itx> so yeah, try O (program name)
[18:45:49] <Tom_itx> or O (1234 program name)
[18:45:53] <Tom_itx> if you need the number
[18:47:01] <Tom_itx> do i need 1/4 W resistor for current sense or will 1/8 be ok?
[18:47:08] <Tom_itx> on the 203v
[18:48:19] <robin_sz> nope
[18:48:42] <robin_sz> the bit in (brackest) will end up as the program name in the program list
[18:48:55] <mazafaka> robin_sz: hello, can you explain me something about the moto gloves?
[18:48:55] <Tom_itx> what's the number for?
[18:48:56] <robin_sz> the number ends up as the program number
[18:49:07] <Tom_itx> mmm
[18:49:17] <robin_sz> and it *does* work
[18:49:24] <robin_sz> but it throws that "bad number" alarm
[18:50:00] <mazafaka> robin_sz: Do they usually have carbon or plastic protecting inserts, or they are very different and some may only provide protection to the skin?
[18:50:00] <robin_sz> i just wonderee if it needed a certain style eg 6 digits or something,
[18:50:10] <Tom_itx> try it and see
[18:50:22] <jdhnc> do you have a duplicate number?
[18:50:27] <robin_sz> nope
[18:50:48] <robin_sz> mazafaka, some do, but only the ones worn by posers
[18:50:58] <robin_sz> mazafaka, goat leather is good
[18:51:20] <robin_sz> mazafaka, some back of hand protections *can* be good, but most is useless
[18:51:29] <robin_sz> studs, waste of time
[18:51:30] <Tom_itx> hmm i don't have any haas templates for my cam either
[18:51:36] <jdhnc> robin: none of mine have spaces between the O and the number, not sure if that matters though
[18:51:51] <robin_sz> we got Visual Mill with this mill, but its not been set up right
[18:52:01] <robin_sz> jdhnc, ah ha, no spaces
[18:52:07] <robin_sz> will try that 2mrw thanks!!
[18:52:10] <Tom_itx> :)
[18:52:30] <robin_sz> we finally had it running code from viusal mill today
[18:52:56] <robin_sz> after we fixed a drive amp
[18:53:00] <robin_sz> and the tool changer
[18:53:07] <robin_sz> and the overvolt protect fuses
[18:53:09] <robin_sz> and ...
[18:53:26] <robin_sz> wanna make chips nao!
[18:53:56] <Tom_itx> where's that JT-xxx guy when you need him anyway
[18:54:16] <robin_sz> mazafaka, some stitch with kevlar threads etc, but again, dunno if that actually helps at all
[18:55:27] <robin_sz> mazafaka, and finally, just remember that many top racers who wear xxx branded leathers actually wear hand made leather from their trusted race leather guru, made up to look like the brand xxx leathers they are being sponsored to wear, but wotn wear because they fall apart on impact :)
[18:56:53] <robin_sz> jobs left to do on the Haas include "bolt the coolant pump to something so it doesnt fall over in the coolant trough and go all sparky
[18:57:02] <robin_sz> dont ask me how I know this ...
[18:58:37] <Tom_itx> is this a retro you're working on?
[18:59:04] <robin_sz> nope
[18:59:11] <robin_sz> a VF2 we picked up cheap
[19:00:13] <robin_sz> not sure I understand the Haas tool length procedure though ...
[19:02:49] <mazafaka> robin_sz: I just thought of protection. What do you think of jeans and jackets with buil-in protection?
[19:03:37] <mazafaka> I am about to buy relatively cheap mountain bike gloves with some plastic stuff on them
[19:03:59] <robin_sz> for road riding?
[19:04:16] <robin_sz> srlsy?
[19:04:27] <robin_sz> its up to you, I wouldn't
[19:04:46] <robin_sz> not designed for high speed impact.
[19:04:48] <robin_sz> use leather
[19:04:53] <robin_sz> nothing else
[19:04:57] <mazafaka> for riding on MTB, and for slow riding on ground roads on motorbike
[19:05:23] <robin_sz> "ground roads" ?
[19:05:26] <robin_sz> dirt roads?
[19:05:31] <mazafaka> what gloves would you put on using your trial bike?
[19:05:44] <mazafaka> dirt roads, dirt after rain
[19:05:55] <robin_sz> ah, trials gloves :)
[19:06:03] <robin_sz> yeah OK MTB will be fines for that
[19:06:21] <robin_sz> mtb or mx gear
[19:06:42] <robin_sz> road gear, totally different
[19:06:43] <mazafaka> 'mx gear' ??
[19:06:48] <robin_sz> motocross
[19:07:07] <mazafaka> I want road gear then...
[19:07:28] <robin_sz> road gear is always leather, and designed for high speed impact
[19:07:33] <robin_sz> are you in the EU?
[19:07:38] <mazafaka> I do not want to look like amateur being barehand using an action cam with my helmet: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ilyagalkin/6953244014/in/photostream
[19:08:00] <mazafaka> robin_sz: I don't know if our Russia is in EU or not
[19:08:07] <robin_sz> hehe
[19:08:10] <robin_sz> not yet :)
[19:08:36] <robin_sz> for off-road, you need comfort, ability to move easy
[19:08:53] <robin_sz> tough boots to take rocks
[19:09:09] <mazafaka> maybe, but... When I will choose them I will have found it out
[19:09:30] <robin_sz> http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l2736&_nkw=mx+boots
[19:09:39] <robin_sz> just look on ebay for mx boots
[19:09:44] <robin_sz> mx jacket
[19:09:52] <robin_sz> it will give the right idea
[19:09:59] <robin_sz> even if yo ubuy locally in russia
[19:09:59] <mazafaka> I'm riding relatively slowly, it's just like on a heavy SUV, because tyres are rather A/T tham M/T
[19:10:26] <robin_sz> I would still get leather gloves
[19:10:40] <robin_sz> hands get hurt easy
[19:10:44] <mazafaka> In MX boots, leg is protected from the side, right?
[19:11:14] <mazafaka> robin_sz: last summer, I had fallen from MTB and deeply scratched the palms
[19:11:14] <robin_sz> yep
[19:11:31] <robin_sz> leather MX gloves would save you
[19:11:53] <robin_sz> MX gear and MTB gear will be similar
[19:11:57] <mazafaka> I know of cases when a car hits bike from the side, and riders say 'only boots have saved my legs'
[19:12:02] <robin_sz> MX a bit tougher
[19:12:03] <robin_sz> yep
[19:12:33] <robin_sz> MX boots no good for MTB bike though, wont pedal in those :)
[19:12:53] <robin_sz> good for all biking on rough roads though
[19:13:01] <mazafaka> So, MX gear can slide a little on a rough tarmac, or they will grip it too much so I can not protect myself from falling further?
[19:13:20] <robin_sz> MX gear tends to have impact protection
[19:13:26] <robin_sz> but not much sliding protection
[19:13:48] <robin_sz> its OK so say 40 kmh?
[19:14:06] <mazafaka> :) heh, cycling in boots is tricky. Legs in some boots just move aside on the pedals when you land on e.g. stairs on a hardtail.
[19:14:13] <robin_sz> yep
[19:14:21] <robin_sz> MTB has different needs
[19:14:26] <mazafaka> 40 km/h is rather OK for a bicycle
[19:14:30] <robin_sz> yep
[19:14:48] <robin_sz> so you can choose
[19:15:08] <robin_sz> I dont ride bicycle only moto
[19:15:24] <robin_sz> I wuold get some good MX leather gloves, save your hands
[19:15:27] <mazafaka> I think of road gears, anyway.
[19:15:41] <robin_sz> road gear is for road bikers .. 200 kmh +
[19:15:57] <mazafaka> save from scratches, but does not protect from rough surfaces like tarmac?
[19:16:21] <mazafaka> oh, didn't think of it
[19:16:26] <robin_sz> MX gear is OK to 40 kmh, saves from bruises, some scratches
[19:16:40] <robin_sz> road gear is OK to 200 kmh, but not flexible ...
[19:16:50] <robin_sz> too heavy for mtb
[19:16:59] <mazafaka> I fear of rough tarmac, and some type of gravel roads
[19:17:02] <robin_sz> yeah
[19:17:23] <robin_sz> MX jackets I would look at
[19:17:27] <robin_sz> light
[19:17:32] <robin_sz> plenty of air
[19:17:37] <robin_sz> good impact protection
[19:17:50] <robin_sz> and mx jeans .. with in built protection
[19:18:06] <mazafaka> some MTB gloves look like http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/motocross-mx-racing-gloves-knuckle-protection-velcro-closure-Medium-/251044002270?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Gloves&hash=item3a736379de
[19:18:33] <mazafaka> there are no mx jeans :)
[19:18:39] <robin_sz> they look good
[19:19:17] <robin_sz> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UFO-MX19-MOTOCROSS-ENDURO-RACE-JEANS-BLUE-36-4294C-/270678117884?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item3f05ac4dfc
[19:19:53] <mazafaka> I don't know, I fear of something since I had seen photos of injured road bikers. Tarmac + stupid moments = harm
[19:20:02] <robin_sz> might be too heavy for MTB riding?
[19:20:29] <mazafaka> I thought jeans are made of cotton :)
[19:20:41] <robin_sz> MX gear will protect you .. depends if it has enough "air" for MTB riding .. you might get too hot
[19:20:51] <robin_sz> nope,
[19:20:57] <robin_sz> thats denim jeans :)
[19:21:04] <mazafaka> maybe heavy, but i never cycle in shorts or so. Skin must be protected at least with something
[19:21:10] <robin_sz> yep
[19:21:24] <robin_sz> skin + tarmac = pain
[19:21:41] <robin_sz> its like a giant grinding machine :(
[19:22:18] <robin_sz> http://www.newturfers.com/mwf/attach/16/168616/madrash.jpeg
[19:22:36] <mazafaka> I have seen worth
[19:22:48] <mazafaka> e.g. thorn apart bodyparts
[19:23:03] <robin_sz> looks like he was wearing trainers
[19:23:34] <mazafaka> heh, some wear shorts and invite girls in bikini, i would only invite ones into the cars
[19:23:45] <robin_sz> you see, when you fall off, the road doesnt know if you fell off motorbike or mtb ... it chews you up just the same
[19:24:57] <robin_sz> anyway
[19:24:59] <mazafaka> I actually know nothing of falling from the motorbike. If you fall from MTB, it is mostly possible to fall happily protecting yourself pushing you hands in front of you. But bike may squeeze you and slide with you.
[19:25:30] <robin_sz> mmm .. I seen mtb guys pretty cut up
[19:25:59] <robin_sz> I fell off bycyles it always hurts
[19:26:04] <mazafaka> In this video, they wear mx gear's jeans http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g8DX8Uc4sY
[19:27:20] <robin_sz> yeah
[19:27:56] <mazafaka> I only felt because of chain fails - it have started to fall of the gear, and leg gone down to the asphalt, And I hit several times and then felt on ahuge speed. A car could drive just behind me (modern Russian drivers aren't smart at all, kids of any age)
[19:29:39] <mazafaka> MX gear, its jeans, protect what? knees and what else?
[19:29:47] <robin_sz> hips
[19:29:52] <robin_sz> top side of leg
[19:30:25] <mazafaka> With carbon thingies which do not restrict the moves?
[19:31:16] <robin_sz> msotly leather for amrasion
[19:31:20] <robin_sz> abrasion
[19:31:31] <robin_sz> and with sorbothane rubber for impact
[19:31:43] <mazafaka> I'll look if there's some Moto store in the nearest big city and visit it, ask for prices and sales and discounts
[19:33:38] <robin_sz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTyrxhqN5ak
[19:33:39] <mazafaka> Seems like thoughtfull protection for sane rider. But I would be extra carefull for other vehicles' behavior and moves on the road. Some drivers show themselve with they style of driving, and this reveals and predicts potential accident.
[19:33:52] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/V6ggD
[19:34:25] <robin_sz> oh yes, watching drivers is something you learn quite soon on motorbike or mtb
[19:34:32] <robin_sz> you can see the dangerous ones easy
[19:34:36] <r00t4rd3d> finally getting enough parts to build trial and errors
[19:36:11] <mazafaka> Yeah... Another time has come on the roads... Some vehicle is always behind you, it's dangerous to cycling agressively, must be careful enough to not fall down on the road in front of the car which has no space to stop before you.
[19:36:21] <robin_sz> oh watch this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVN98EwM3l0&feature=related
[19:36:42] <mazafaka> Many people here have bought cars for themselves.
[19:36:57] <robin_sz> good mx gear often has thin sorbothane pads over the bones
[19:37:04] <robin_sz> hips, knees
[19:37:21] <robin_sz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVN98EwM3l0&feature=related << very impressive :)
[19:37:45] <mazafaka> it's probably like resin sneakers and e.g. ecco shoes which are suitable for running 'just from the store'
[19:39:14] <robin_sz> similar
[19:39:36] <robin_sz> anyway, yuo can imagine it is good to have even 5mm of this when you hit the road
[19:40:29] <mazafaka> robin_sz: What do you think of the installation of MX front end and front and rear wheels with disk brakes to the 2-stroke 350 cc bike which dry weight is 160 kg because of heavy front end and wheels?
[19:41:11] <mazafaka> off course. besides, jeans always tear apart when you het the surface with the knees.
[19:44:39] <mazafaka> And, alwasy a happy case. Or whatever can happen with any good protection.
[19:46:19] <mazafaka> These ones look nice, but ends of the fingers aren't really armoured ( http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WULFSPORT-WIGGSTYLE-MX-OFF-ROAD-MTB-ENDURO-BIKE-ARMOURED-WULF-MOTOCROSS-GLOVES-/190590712097?pt=UK_Cycling_Clothing&var=&hash=item72185d0435 )
[19:59:14] * robin_sz returns
[20:00:12] <mazafaka> I'll end up with some heavy-duty MTB gloves with protection
[20:01:01] <jdhnc> anyone know of an easy to make, fairly accurate pwm->0-10vdc circuit?
[20:01:21] <robin_sz> jdhnc, yes, yes it is
[20:01:46] <jdhnc> cool, can you make it and send it to me?
[20:01:56] <jdhnc> or failing that, give me a reference.
[20:02:05] <robin_sz> its called a "resistor" and "a capacitor"
[20:02:15] <jdhnc> yeah, I wanted a little better than that.
[20:02:32] <robin_sz> what aspect of it do you want to improve?
[20:02:51] <robin_sz> basically, you need an input buffer
[20:02:55] <robin_sz> a RC filter
[20:03:17] <robin_sz> an output buffer (with gain trim to get 10V for 100% mod)
[20:03:20] <robin_sz> thats it .
[20:04:27] <jdhnc> so, how do you pick R/C for 100khz 5v pwm
[20:04:59] <djdelorie> or, for maximum overkill, an MCU or FPGA that measures the actual pulse widths, and outputs to a precision DAC... ;-)
[20:05:16] <jdhnc> djd: that's more likely for me.
[20:05:47] <r00t4rd3d> whats a good gantry height?
[20:06:26] <jdhnc> depends, what's your favorite color.
[20:06:32] <r00t4rd3d> mine is 18 miles too long atm, http://i.imgur.com/UnrMB.jpg
[20:06:53] <robin_sz> yep
[20:06:58] <jdhnc> heh... I saw that earlier and thought, damn, that's a really high gantry.
[20:07:04] <robin_sz> want a good plan?
[20:07:14] <robin_sz> use the same height as the base
[20:07:16] <djdelorie> mine is only 3.75"
[20:07:23] <robin_sz> or maybe 2 x the base
[20:07:31] <robin_sz> yes, your base is MUCH too small
[20:07:41] <robin_sz> 1 x base is strong
[20:07:42] <r00t4rd3d> i own all your base
[20:07:53] <ReadError> i want to build one out of 80/20
[20:07:55] <robin_sz> 2 x base is ok for light materials
[20:08:05] <robin_sz> all your base are belong to us
[20:08:16] <r00t4rd3d> my base is too small?
[20:08:17] <jdhnc> how think is your material. How big is yoru spindle. How much Z do you need
[20:08:21] <r00t4rd3d> my mom said it was average
[20:08:32] <robin_sz> she lied
[20:08:32] <jdhnc> that's what she told me too.
[20:08:45] <robin_sz> your mom said mine was just fiiiiine
[20:09:36] <r00t4rd3d> what else should I do?
[20:09:37] <r00t4rd3d> http://imgur.com/a/V6ggD
[20:09:47] <r00t4rd3d> tell me what i should change now
[20:10:01] <r00t4rd3d> besides gantry height but I knew that already.
[20:10:07] <r00t4rd3d> im not gonna carve stumps
[20:10:23] <robin_sz> coo
[20:10:41] <robin_sz> lateral stablilty will be poor
[20:10:44] <ReadError> http://p.twimg.com/ArCQoV8CMAERK-t.jpg:large
[20:10:46] <jdhnc> need to shorten it, or at least add another cross piece lower.
[20:10:46] <robin_sz> (left, right)
[20:10:47] <ReadError> ;o
[20:11:02] <robin_sz> or an under-piece
[20:11:10] <robin_sz> the dise will just push apart
[20:11:11] <r00t4rd3d> its getting an under
[20:11:12] <jdhnc> or both
[20:11:26] <r00t4rd3d> i was waiting till i got the height right
[20:11:33] <robin_sz> take those blocks
[20:11:39] <robin_sz> cut them in the middle
[20:11:44] <robin_sz> make the base 10"
[20:12:00] <r00t4rd3d> i got linear rods and blocks too
[20:12:06] <r00t4rd3d> for the other axis
[20:12:28] <robin_sz> try an get base nearer 10" or so for that gantry
[20:12:52] <r00t4rd3d> i have to stick with the base width cause i already have a lead screw for it
[20:13:02] <robin_sz> ?
[20:13:06] <robin_sz> not WIDTH
[20:13:15] <robin_sz> the distance from front bearing to back bearing
[20:13:35] <r00t4rd3d> oh
[20:13:38] <r00t4rd3d> well
[20:13:39] <robin_sz> too small
[20:13:42] <robin_sz> much too small
[20:14:10] <r00t4rd3d> for a dremel ?
[20:14:20] <robin_sz> mm
[20:14:29] <robin_sz> might be OK, btu the height ...
[20:14:31] <r00t4rd3d> or maybe a small trim router
[20:14:44] <robin_sz> yes, too smalll by a lot for a trim router
[20:14:56] <r00t4rd3d> yeah im gonna fix the height next
[20:15:06] <robin_sz> drop it to 4" or so
[20:15:12] <r00t4rd3d> ok
[20:15:20] <r00t4rd3d> im gonna pretty it up too
[20:15:24] <r00t4rd3d> put a dress on it
[20:15:25] <robin_sz> meh
[20:15:30] <robin_sz> boobies?
[20:15:52] <r00t4rd3d> no one has square corners
[20:15:58] <robin_sz> it would be .... unique
[20:16:08] <r00t4rd3d> i got sawz
[20:16:15] <r00t4rd3d> all of them
[20:16:34] <robin_sz> I know a perfect Z axis slide for you
[20:17:02] <r00t4rd3d> i was gonna have one made out of aluminum
[20:17:17] <r00t4rd3d> i know this metal guy now
[20:17:50] <jdhnc> does he travel with a lion, a little girl and a small dog?
[20:18:13] <robin_sz> http://www.igus.co.uk/wpck/default.aspx?Pagename=drylin_sht&CL=GB-en
[20:18:20] <r00t4rd3d> no just barbies, gi joes and candy. Has this funny bear sticker on his van too.
[20:18:24] <robin_sz> drylin leadscrew module
[20:18:53] <jdhnc> no kidding! me to!
[20:19:29] <robin_sz> the SLW series is what you want
[20:19:31] <r00t4rd3d> I can just imagine how many piles of gold they want for that actuator
[20:19:44] <robin_sz> guess
[20:19:50] <r00t4rd3d> 2-300
[20:19:54] <jdhnc> 600
[20:19:57] <r00t4rd3d> fuck that
[20:20:01] <robin_sz> idiot
[20:20:05] <r00t4rd3d> :D
[20:20:18] <r00t4rd3d> 600 really?
[20:20:20] <jdhnc> $59.95?
[20:20:24] <r00t4rd3d> what
[20:20:26] <robin_sz> no, its not worth telling you
[20:20:48] <robin_sz> you really think I would recommend a $600 actuator to someone building a $100 router?
[20:21:19] <r00t4rd3d> i got over 130 in one axis
[20:21:23] <robin_sz> about $60to 80
[20:21:29] <robin_sz> depending on size
[20:22:29] <r00t4rd3d> i still cant find the prices
[20:22:55] <robin_sz> I paid £79 for my last one
[20:23:05] <robin_sz> its about 12" long
[20:23:19] <robin_sz> there are deals out there, look around
[20:24:14] <robin_sz> infact, I seem to remember they even sent me a free sample once
[20:24:54] <jdhnc> they have some cool looking cable management stuff
[20:27:52] <r00t4rd3d> i would buy one if I knew how
[20:28:18] <robin_sz> shop around, keep an eye on ebay
[20:28:38] <robin_sz> perfect for a dremel or small trim router
[20:28:56] <robin_sz> you should pick it up up under 100
[20:29:18] <robin_sz> remember you need 4" of free movement with a 4" gantry
[20:29:44] <r00t4rd3d> what do you mean by that
[20:29:51] <r00t4rd3d> up and down?
[20:29:55] <robin_sz> yes
[20:30:07] <r00t4rd3d> what about kitty corner?
[20:30:24] <robin_sz> i never touched her
[20:30:33] <robin_sz> the rumours are a lie!
[20:31:53] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Z-Axis-Linear-Stage-CNC-DIY-New-5-travel-/330720833708?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4d007f70ac
[20:32:35] <ReadError> nice find
[20:32:39] <Thetawaves> no ball screw?
[20:32:41] <r00t4rd3d> woudl that hold your mom?
[20:32:45] <r00t4rd3d> or a trim router
[20:33:09] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d
[20:33:16] <ReadError> you can get the probotix router mount
[20:33:41] <robin_sz> NICE!
[20:34:48] <r00t4rd3d> link?
[20:35:05] <ReadError> http://www.probotix.com/spindles_and_mounts/
[20:36:00] <r00t4rd3d> oh anyone of theirs will fit your saying
[20:36:25] <robin_sz> that linear stage is NICE
[20:36:36] <robin_sz> if you have the $ .. get it
[20:36:48] <r00t4rd3d> i will on friday
[20:36:56] <ReadError> r00t4rd3d
[20:36:56] <r00t4rd3d> i got like 25 now
[20:37:00] <ReadError> depends what router you ahve
[20:37:08] <r00t4rd3d> a dremel
[20:37:24] <r00t4rd3d> but I almost bought a ridgid the other day
[20:37:41] <r00t4rd3d> they one they also have for sale
[20:37:46] <r00t4rd3d> the trim job
[20:38:00] <r00t4rd3d> rigid*
[20:38:55] <ReadError> with a router that size
[20:38:59] <ReadError> go with that big dog motor ;)
[20:40:42] <jdhnc> http://www.ebay.com/itm/221004966233
[20:40:46] <jdhnc> anyone know what that is?
[20:41:25] <ReadError> looks like a manufacturing table of some sort
[20:41:31] <ReadError> production line stuff
[20:42:59] <Jymmm> pcb related by ythe ctegory it's in
[20:44:42] <Jymmm> kinda looks like it would UNstack pcbs
[21:17:39] <ReadError> what can i use to touch off of that would handle the x/y/z ?
[21:17:55] <ReadError> im worried a block would mess up my endmill
[21:18:31] <ReadError> i have a center finder
[21:18:43] <ReadError> but then i still have to swap the bit
[21:18:51] <ReadError> so ide lose my depth reading
[21:24:15] <Jymmm> a flashlight
[21:24:48] <Jymmm> oh, nm
[21:25:16] <Tom_itx> ok Jymmm
[21:25:19] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/cnc/psu1.jpg
[21:25:30] <Tom_itx> you think those caps will filter the supply well enough?
[21:25:43] <Jymmm> uf and voltage?
[21:25:45] <Tom_itx> 2200 uf ea iirc
[21:25:49] <Tom_itx> 63v
[21:25:55] <Tom_itx> supply is ~45 iirc
[21:26:03] <Tom_itx> need to check it again for sure
[21:26:19] <Tom_itx> 3x transformers diode packs 9 caps
[21:26:24] <Jymmm> 45*1.414==63.63
[21:26:59] <Jymmm> are you making two ps?
[21:27:11] <Tom_itx> 3
[21:27:22] <Tom_itx> 3rd one was late to the pic
[21:27:36] <Tom_itx> 1 per axis
[21:27:38] <Jymmm> just 4400uF?
[21:27:44] <Tom_itx> 6600
[21:27:48] <Tom_itx> 3 ea
[21:28:33] <Jymmm> iirc seems low, but I could be mistaken. Also you are overvoltage for the caps, no error for margin
[21:28:47] <Jymmm> reverse that
[21:34:45] <Tom_itx> i think the v for the caps is ok
[21:35:32] <Tecan> wheres a good place to buy timing belt ?
[21:35:35] <Tecan> that wide white stuff
[21:35:36] <Jymmm> C = 80000 * I / V
[21:35:50] <Tom_itx> 6A
[21:35:56] <Tom_itx> 45v
[21:36:15] <Tecan> theres xl and t5 timing belts right ?
[21:36:27] <Tom_itx> stock drive products
[21:36:33] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: you should be at 11,000uF
[21:36:48] <Jymmm> so double what you intended
[21:36:54] <Tom_itx> you think?
[21:37:05] <Tom_itx> where do you get that formula?
[21:37:30] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: ggecko https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC0QxQEwAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fviewer%3Fa%3Dv%26q%3Dcache%3ApdMzMP6hS0wJ%3Awww.geckodrive.com%2Fimages%2Ffck_uploads%2FStep%252520Motor%252520Basics%252520Guide.pdf%2B%26hl%3Den%26gl%3Dus%26pid%3Dbl%26srcid%3DADGEEShe4wN_Lmw7S0G_EfL0OGIPG0UO6hfAfhQVcvNlUCd8zXcHLWWfVgXCTghEOggP2bekC_HlGQYjsV-K299dq9oCtn1BhRto4X-0AQhUNX2FbyhEBplbOTDk1XSCNYh-X
[21:37:30] <Jymmm> xmQ6JN8%26sig%3DAHIEtbSf0mk1J4p78iIJoLIePaLAfeNabw&ei=umuTT_rsJuqviAKIx4AK&usg=AFQjCNERyMt2Ed2PY2pjN-j1BdhVXFBHBQ&cad=rja
[21:37:45] <Jymmm> google power supply basics site:geckodrive.com filetype:pdf
[21:38:08] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: https://www.google.com/search?q=power+supply+basics+site%3Ageckodrive.com+filetype%3Apdf
[21:38:09] <Tom_itx> their site is down right now
[21:38:21] <Jymmm> I know, click on QUICK VIEW
[21:39:33] <Tecan> wheres a good place to buy threadrod and timing belts ?
[21:39:36] <Jymmm> pg 11 or so, unregulated power supply
[21:39:44] <Tom_itx> Tecan, stock drive products
[21:39:45] <Jymmm> Tecan: McMaster.com
[21:40:31] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: use a voltage rating 20% HIGHER than the output voltage
[21:40:40] <Jymmm> for the cap voltage
[21:41:56] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: is 45v the OUTPUT voltage for the PS or the xfmr?
[21:42:26] <Tom_itx> 32v xfmr iirc
[21:42:31] <Tom_itx> i'd have to check again
[21:42:53] <Jymmm> 32vac * 1.414 == 46vdc
[21:43:56] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: did you get the pdf?
[21:44:16] <Tom_itx> i'm looking at it
[21:44:18] <Tom_itx> didn't save it
[21:44:19] <Jymmm> k
[21:44:36] <Jymmm> good coument, hasn't changed in years
[21:45:24] <Tom_itx> wonder why they're down
[21:45:29] <Tom_itx> and yet can view the pdf
[21:45:44] <Jymmm> I went thru google's cache of the website
[21:45:57] <Jymmm> thats the link I gave you
[21:46:06] <Tom_itx> so can i save it as a pdf?
[21:46:22] <Jymmm> at the top click on DOWNLOAD ORIGINAL
[21:46:37] <Jymmm> err
[21:46:39] <Tom_itx> errors
[21:46:52] <Jymmm> click on SAVE IN GOOGLE DOCS, then you can download from there
[21:47:52] <Jymmm> FILE > DOWNLOAD
[21:50:54] <Tom_itx> i'll wait
[21:53:07] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: so it looks liek you need more caps
[21:53:34] <Tom_itx> or less transfomer
[21:53:44] <Tom_itx> can i combine the outputs of 2?
[21:53:52] <Tom_itx> if they're in phase
[21:54:06] <Jymmm> what do you mean?
[21:54:19] <Jymmm> less current? less voltage?
[21:54:25] <Tom_itx> make 1 big transformer from 2
[21:54:36] <Jymmm> for what purpose?
[21:55:00] <Tom_itx> or would i be better off keeping them as separate supplies
[21:55:05] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: wait, were you going to make one PS per axis?
[21:55:19] <Tom_itx> yup
[21:55:26] <Jymmm> no no no no no no no
[21:55:39] <Tom_itx> don't tell me no
[21:56:07] <Jymmm> the idea is that when one stepper is stopping, the BENF produces goes to another axis
[21:56:12] <Jymmm> BEMF
[21:56:24] <Jymmm> one PS for all three axis
[21:56:30] <ThadiusB> hello everyone
[21:56:34] <ThadiusB> what a long, kickass day
[21:56:43] <Tom_itx> well i'd have a total of 18A
[21:56:49] <Tom_itx> i probably don't need it all
[21:57:06] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what is the secondary voltage from onw xfmr?
[21:57:11] <Jymmm> one
[21:57:13] <Tom_itx> but you don't understand my queston
[21:57:26] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure if it's advisable to do it or not
[21:57:37] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what is the secondary voltage from one xfmr?
[21:57:41] <Tom_itx> i already combined secondaries on each transformer
[21:57:48] <Tom_itx> to boost the current
[21:58:18] <Tom_itx> so if i keep the phase correct, can i combine 2 transformer secondaries?
[21:58:32] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: what is the secondary voltage from one xfmr?
[21:58:39] <Tom_itx> i told you already
[21:59:11] <pcw_home> sure you can parallel secondaries (if they are identical)
[21:59:23] <Jymmm> to double the current
[21:59:44] <pcw_home> and identical PRI/SEC ratios
[21:59:45] <Tom_itx> pcw_home, these would be parallel transformers
[21:59:54] <Tom_itx> they are 3 identical transformers
[22:00:06] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.dyndns.org:81/~webpage/temp/cnc/psu1.jpg
[22:00:11] <Tom_itx> 2 of the 3 shown there
[22:00:11] <Jymmm> if one xfmr is 32vac@8A you may not even need the second xfmr
[22:00:29] <Tom_itx> they are ~32v ac approx 6A
[22:00:39] <Tom_itx> ea
[22:00:42] <Tom_itx> x 3
[22:00:47] <Tom_itx> or 2
[22:00:53] <Jymmm> you might not even need a second xfmr
[22:01:00] <Tom_itx> but i was gonna use one per axis
[22:01:08] <Tom_itx> for later expansion
[22:01:15] <Jymmm> BEMF
[22:01:16] <Tom_itx> with a common ground
[22:01:24] <pcw_home> if you worry, check the voltage difference in the secondaries before you parallel
[22:01:38] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: BEMF
[22:01:41] <pcw_home> (differentially)
[22:02:08] <Tom_itx> pcw_home i just wondered if it was safe to parallel separate transformers
[22:02:18] <Tom_itx> these were surplus
[22:02:21] <Tom_itx> so i got em
[22:02:46] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: I seriosuly doubt you need more than one xfmr for all three axis
[22:03:01] <Tom_itx> Jymmm at 4A on the stepper driver?
[22:03:20] <Tom_itx> i know it doesn't draw all that unless you need it
[22:03:26] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: read that pdf, and you need to accoutn for BEMF and using multple PS does not do that
[22:03:39] <Tom_itx> i know a little about back emf
[22:04:29] <Jymmm> Tom_itx: then read the pdf
[22:04:38] <Jymmm> I beieve he talks about it in there
[22:06:03] <Jymmm> The easiest factor in choosing a power supply is its current rating, which is based on your motor
[22:06:03] <Jymmm> ratings. A motor control will always draw less than 2/3 of the motor’s rated current when it is parallel
[22:06:03] <Jymmm> (or half-winding) connected and 1/3 of the motor’s rated current when it is series (or full-winding)
[22:06:04] <Jymmm> connected. That is to say, a 6 amp per phase motor will require a 4 amp power supply when wired in
[22:06:06] <Jymmm> parallel and a 2 amp power supply when wired in series. If multiple motors and drives are used, add the
[22:06:08] <Jymmm> current requirements of each to arrive at the total power supply current rating.
[22:07:02] <Tom_itx> ok but the drivers are rated at 7A
[22:07:11] <Tom_itx> and i'm building this for future expansion
[22:07:28] <Jymmm> it's all in the pdf
[22:07:55] <Tom_itx> i'll read it
[22:08:07] <Tom_itx> later. i think if i tried now, i'd fall asleep in the middle
[22:09:15] <Tecan> i just bought a Item Title:NOK 037-XL-0471A-J Timing Belt what kinda pully would i need for it ?
[22:09:23] <Jymmm> pcw_home: in a buck boost circuit, whats the easiet way to shield/block/filter emi from everything around it?
[22:09:32] <alex4nder> lead
[22:09:34] <Jymmm> emi/rfi
[22:11:05] <pcw_home> first optimize PCB layout to minimize the size of high frequency high current loops
[22:11:21] <pcw_home> use shielded inductors
[22:12:59] <pcw_home> high frequency capacitors across and ferrite beads in series with I/O
[22:14:46] <Thetawaves> the best way is to put at least 10kohm resistor in series, and TVS diodes between power, signal and ground
[22:15:20] <Thetawaves> and then a small capacitor to eliminate any remaining surges
[22:16:25] <Thetawaves> it's hard to do 10k ohm outputs, so you should at least use 10-20ohm resistor
[22:16:35] <pcw_home> I think jymmm is talking about radiated EMI. not ESD
[22:17:12] <Thetawaves> any length of wire will not be sufficiently protected in any circuit is connected to without that
[22:17:23] <Thetawaves> it is*
[22:17:58] <Thetawaves> should you have a 20 foot cable, you will be very disappointed to find that your electronics no longer work the morning after a thunder storm.
[22:22:03] <Thetawaves> ahhhh he wants to know about how to make a noise free power supply
[22:22:09] <Thetawaves> to which i say: good luck
[22:23:22] <Thetawaves> try a battery powered system in a metal case
[22:25:28] <Thetawaves> Jymmm, what do you want to do with your emi-less power supply
[22:25:51] <pcw_home> There are many low noise switching PS techniques but they all cost more (sine wave PS's for example)
[22:26:07] <Thetawaves> i'm used to people complaining about dc-dc converters throwing out too much noise, not the other way around :-/
[22:39:11] <ThadiusB> anyone here have any suggestions for computer fan control in 10.04??
[22:39:41] <ThadiusB> i know thats way off topic, sorry
[22:41:41] <Jymmm> pcw_home: correct
[22:42:55] <Jymmm> pcw_home: so, ferrots and caps acros the output.
[22:43:26] <Jymmm> pcw_home: dont the ferrets need to be closest to the load?
[23:11:22] <pcw_home> I would not suggest ferrets as they are messy and will chew through the wires
[23:14:32] <jdhnc> and they smell bad.
[23:16:11] <Tom_itx> ok i was wrong on the transformers. they're 37.4 vac on the secondaries
[23:16:46] <Tom_itx> that's about 53vdc right?
[23:17:02] <Tom_itx> no load
[23:22:17] <jdhnc> 52.89158723275375482512
[23:24:27] <Tom_itx> that should be some improvement over the current 24v setup
[23:24:36] <Tom_itx> 24 28 i forget
[23:25:00] <jdhnc> what is the primary rated?
[23:25:02] <djdelorie> now it's 24+28 :-)
[23:25:38] <Tom_itx> jdhnc, i dunno these are surplus
[23:25:53] <Tom_itx> i was told they are rated for 6A
[23:28:38] <jdhnc> did you measure teh 37.4?
[23:29:20] <Tom_itx> yes
[23:38:51] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snOErpOP5Xk#t=1m21s
[23:38:59] <r00t4rd3d> im not sure how that happened
[23:39:37] <r00t4rd3d> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snOErpOP5Xk#t=1m21s
[23:39:41] <r00t4rd3d> err