#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-02-20

[01:49:39] <DJ9DJ> moin
[01:58:14] <Loetmichel> mornin'
[02:38:48] <jdhnc> or something.
[06:32:54] <skunkworks_> http://pastebin.com/EaXkaBqe
[06:33:07] <skunkworks_> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-CNC/message/32029
[06:33:09] <skunkworks_> :)
[06:34:29] <Jymmm> its memberso only skunkworks
[06:36:21] <skunkworks_> I know. That is why I pastebin'ed it
[06:36:37] <Jymmm> *WE* dont know that though
[06:36:57] <skunkworks_> I think it sucks that some yahoo groups don't allow you to atleast read them without logging in..
[06:37:15] <skunkworks_> even mach allows you to read their groups!
[06:37:24] <Jymmm> it's up to the mods
[06:37:40] <skunkworks_> yep
[06:41:33] <Jymmm> whos Steve Blackmore?
[06:42:12] <archivist> a bit of a prat
[06:43:20] <Jymmm> Is anything technical he's saying hold merit?
[06:45:29] <archivist> he is one who fails to listen and try stuff properly and therefore fails to learn that stuff can work, just not the way he tried (incorrectly probably)
[06:48:38] <jthornton> that is one unhappy guy
[06:48:41] <Jymmm> Ok, O'll take your word on it. Sounds like he's not rating on emc as a whole and doesn't have an issue with servos, just steppers.
[06:48:58] <archivist> but steppers work!
[06:49:51] <archivist> I have not seen him actually notice nor complain about stepper acceleration curves though
[06:50:08] <Jymmm> Well, yes. But I've gotten better results with TurboCNC than I have with EMC fwiw.
[06:50:13] <jthornton> I thought he complained about everything
[06:50:19] <archivist> hehe
[06:50:34] <archivist> Mr Angry
[06:55:27] <archivist> iirc he did get banned from the MACH forum :)
[06:55:59] <mazafaka__> What a bastard
[06:56:13] <mazafaka__> :)
[06:56:44] <mazafaka__> He said bad of EMC, what a bastard :)
[06:57:19] <Jymmm> sigh, WTF! FF Update 8.x, 9.x, 10.x, and a few days later 10.0.2. Now I go to CHECK FOR UPDATE and instead of propting bme, it just goes ahead and starts downloading and no cancel.
[07:02:12] <Tom_itx> it got tired of you asking
[07:08:16] <Jymmm> I'm tired of them not getting ti right the first time and wanting me to update. And FULL versions too?! What the hell is up with that???
[07:08:56] <Jymmm> Oh this is just too funny... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-M4ocodNA5Q&feature=endscreen&NR=1
[07:16:12] <Valen> where is this rant?
[07:17:28] <Jymmm> Valen: the link skunkworks pastbin
[07:28:40] <Jymmm> Oh man, since I got the hose to connect my little heater to 20# propane tank, I'm lovin it! Just swapped tank (filled to 15#) after 18 days.
[07:29:24] <jthornton> hi ho hi ho it's off to work I go :)
[07:29:58] <Jymmm> jthornton: Gtab me a couple of diamonds while you're at it
[07:30:01] <Jymmm> Grab
[07:30:52] <jthornton> no diamonds at this factory but I'll Gtab you a hose while I'm there
[07:32:27] <Jymmm> jthornton: Just make sure it's plasticizer free, 12ft will do nicely =)
[10:06:55] <mazafaka__> old naked women from World Naked Bike Ride with their view really assert they are experienced and old with whole their view.
[10:16:15] <mazafaka__> ...so you will obey just for not comprehending of the aging they are representing.
[10:19:25] <mhaberler> cool idea: http://web.media.mit.edu/~amitz/Amit_Zoran_home_page/the_freeD.html
[10:23:34] <archivist> having spent 100s of hours dremel in hand I can see where that wont work
[10:31:02] <A2Sheds> mhaberler: is this for people that refuse to or can't run 3d modeling or CAD tools?
[10:31:36] <mhaberler> it's great for artists with morbus parkinson
[10:32:23] <archivist> how do they get freedom if it overrides and pulls off!
[10:32:49] <archivist> and it could pull through the work volume
[10:32:54] <A2Sheds> you mount that thing on a robot arm and one could carve an object while doing something else :)
[10:33:32] <archivist> just get a normal dremel/spindle
[10:35:43] <A2Sheds> I know people that refuse to work on anything with automation or 3d modeling, they probably wouldn't like this either
[10:36:32] <archivist> I note the holes in the cup rim!
[10:38:43] <A2Sheds> at 1:00 in the vid?
[11:29:10] <frysteev> ola peeps
[11:53:34] <frysteev> any people with hydraulics experence here?
[12:10:17] <IchGuckLive> hi all around the world
[12:11:01] <IchGuckLive> 1 Day to go in Rio carneval
[12:11:46] <DJ9DJ> hi
[12:11:51] <IchGuckLive> B)
[12:12:33] <IchGuckLive> 4 Milion People today at Germany carneval street parades
[12:13:58] <DJ9DJ> 4 mio crazy ppl ;)
[12:14:52] <IchGuckLive> yes Helau !
[12:17:48] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: hello sir, how have you been?
[12:18:19] <IchGuckLive> fine and working around the clock for carneval !
[12:18:45] <kb8wmc> better you doing it than me....lol
[12:18:57] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: last night to stand
[12:19:15] <kb8wmc> ah, very good....rest after
[12:19:30] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: did you notice the new Heekscad and Librecad
[12:19:41] <kb8wmc> no sir, I did not....
[12:20:16] <IchGuckLive> all systems improved for area cut
[12:20:33] <kb8wmc> very very good....
[12:20:40] <kb8wmc> I will have to take a look
[12:20:43] <IchGuckLive> librecad does now make perfect polylines from lineArcs
[12:20:57] <kb8wmc> ah, gut
[12:22:29] <A2Sheds> they are directional boring out front right now, I wonder how often it's used to secretly tap into places?
[12:22:40] <kb8wmc> I am slowly learning to use heeks, I still fall back on acad, because it is quick for me
[12:23:34] <kb8wmc> like trying to teach an old dog new tricks
[12:23:40] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: http://foengarage.de/fiat_logo_heeks.jpg
[12:23:49] <IchGuckLive> nice and working example
[12:23:51] <kb8wmc> thank you
[12:24:17] <kb8wmc> very nice
[12:25:07] <IchGuckLive> librecad 2.0.0alfa2 will have all the acad icons
[12:25:21] <A2Sheds> I've only tried Heeks once, I usually use UGS or Solidworks
[12:25:59] <IchGuckLive> A2Sheds: with solidcam or mastercam
[12:26:06] <kb8wmc> ah, something familiar then
[12:26:25] <A2Sheds> mastercam
[12:26:46] <IchGuckLive> nice
[12:26:59] <A2Sheds> is Heeks getting better?
[12:27:06] <A2Sheds> actively worked on
[12:27:08] <kb8wmc> is the latest heeks and librecad found on their respective sites?
[12:27:29] <archivist> heeks is not very active at all
[12:31:09] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: yes
[12:31:28] <kb8wmc> ok, tnx
[12:33:00] <kb8wmc> IchGuckLive: I am attempting to modify one of your codes for rectangular pocketing and insert it into ngcgui as a permanent tab....
[12:34:03] <IchGuckLive> linuxcnc 2.6 will have the G150 implemented
[12:34:23] <IchGuckLive> G12/13 also
[12:35:08] <kb8wmc> oh, very good...
[12:35:46] <IchGuckLive> as it is designed to move slightly to python there are as in Heekscad more people interested to do things for ther one neeed
[12:36:50] <IchGuckLive> as you emengent as kurve_funcs.py wars implemented the postprozessor explodet
[12:37:59] <kb8wmc> I am using 2.4.5 pre version
[12:38:28] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: did you see my modification for foamcutting
[12:38:41] <kb8wmc> no, I did not see that one
[12:39:18] <IchGuckLive> kb8wmc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMo19ivradQ
[12:39:31] <kb8wmc> thank you
[12:42:09] <kb8wmc> very good....
[12:42:36] <kb8wmc> correction to my version info...2.5 pre
[12:43:42] <IchGuckLive> yea thats the version the devela are on
[12:49:48] <IchGuckLive> Principessas de Rio carneval -> http://glo.bo/xI4ahh
[13:34:51] <Jymmm> http://dornob.com/industrial-retro-adjustable-height-metal-scissor-lift-table/
[15:11:04] <alex_joni> Jymmm: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRVhooUQwrM
[15:12:17] <cradek> rock polka?
[15:12:38] <Jymmm> alex_joni: X X X
[15:13:36] <Jymmm> alex_joni: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXQYyKzyDaE
[15:16:38] <Jymmm> alex_joni: http://dc310.4shared.com/img/571564899/c42246e3/dlink__2Fdownload_2FgLk9OnUr_3Ftsid_3D20111006-181408-7663a1b8/preview.mp3
[15:19:39] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XkAV7iQ634&feature=related
[15:21:17] <alex_joni> hahahaha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wudV1c9jLKM
[15:22:47] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Dig that funky squeeze-box Romainian Boy!
[15:26:19] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Find this being played on an accordion and I'll be impressed... http://dc376.4shared.com/img/405183878/7d21a67c/dlink__2Fdownload_2FcmKO-YNP_3Ftsid_3D20110801-042303-fde0bef0/preview.mp3
[15:28:45] <alex_joni> 1m into the song, nothing really yet ;)
[15:29:34] <Jymmm> alex_joni: the best part ins the begininning anyway =)
[15:50:13] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=2YMEy-p2UeI#! omg
[16:16:59] <craynerd> Hi, I asked this yesterday but then had to dash off line! Does anyone use a usb dongle that works ok out of the box (or easily!) with the ubuntu kernal on the latest linuxcnc livecd /download
[16:17:41] <cradek> what kind of usb dongle?
[16:17:52] <craynerd> sorry!!! USB wirless adaptor!!
[16:18:05] <DJ9DJ> gn8
[16:18:37] <craynerd> ok, will google that.. don`t know much about them but I have had a hell of a job trying to get this Realtek one to work
[16:18:43] <craynerd> still haven`t managed it.
[16:18:51] <cradek> check compatibility with ubuntu 10.04 lucid and/or kernel 2.6.32
[16:19:58] <craynerd> I know this sounds lazy, but I`m sure a lot are compatable. This Realtek one has linux drivers but I can`t for the life of me get it running. I`m a linux noob but I`ve tried for hours! I just wanted to go on someone advice so know it`ll run OK.
[16:22:17] <craynerd> DJ9DJ: I can`t find anything for gn8 !!??
[16:22:45] <archivist> wireless is the first mistake :)
[16:23:12] <craynerd> lol, I`m in my workshop basement and my router is upstairs so no chance of wired.
[16:23:36] <archivist> pfft, not far for a bit of wire
[16:24:08] <craynerd> long way to hide it from my Mrs!
[16:24:31] <archivist> I dont have that "problem"
[16:27:19] <craynerd> why are wireless adaptors such a problem them with linux?#
[16:29:01] <JT-Shop> I don't have any wireless problems with Ubuntu, they are all plugged into Wonderblows computers
[16:29:09] <archivist> wireless is a home consumer market where win boxes live
[16:30:12] <archivist> for always on connections like I use wireless is just too unreliable
[16:30:53] <JT-Shop> Yippee the 5i25/7i77 have arrived for the BP conversion
[16:31:21] <archivist> hacking the VMC ?
[16:31:38] <JT-Shop> the knee mill
[16:31:51] <JT-Shop> has an Anilam 3 axis conversion on it now
[16:32:01] <archivist> I dont remember seeing that
[16:32:07] <JT-Shop> with a 286 computer :/
[16:32:22] <archivist> time it was done then
[16:33:44] <Jymmm> Plasma $12K http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/tls/2856096532.html
[16:56:41] <skunkworks__> have these gone down in price? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813121442
[16:59:01] <skunkworks__> or have they always been around that?
[17:02:06] <JT-Shop> that is about what I paid for mine
[17:02:22] <skunkworks__> ok - I thought they where in the 79 or more range
[17:02:28] <archivist> I never took note of prices but that page claims a discount
[17:03:09] <archivist> look up a bit and you see Was: $84.99
[17:18:44] <andypugh> craynerd: I don't know if you worked it out, but "Gn8" was him saying "Goodnight" before logging off, not a recommendation of an adaptor.
[17:19:53] <andypugh> craynerd: I tried 3 different mini-PCI wireless adaptors, and none worked.
[17:20:27] <skunkworks__> get an access point
[17:20:27] <andypugh> Which is why I ended up using short wires to cheap WiFi routers.
[17:21:22] <andypugh> I have a WRT54G with an aftermarket firmware distributing to two other routers in various places using WDS.
[17:22:34] * skunkworks__ has a ton of wrt54g's
[17:22:50] <skunkworks__> for some reason - people sell them at rummage sales.
[17:23:28] <cradek> andypugh: huh, I didn't understand that either.
[17:24:16] <andypugh> The WRT54G is a good router, and runs Linux, and can be hacked.
[17:24:25] <skunkworks__> yep
[17:24:26] <andypugh> What's not to like :-)
[17:24:40] <cradek> I have also used routers flashed with openwrt or ddwrt: for instance my kitchen-closet printer is on one currently
[17:24:49] <andypugh> I use the "Tomato" firmware as that adds WDS.
[17:27:18] <cradek> I use openwrt for anything nontrivial, but dd-wrt if I want simple bridging (dd-wrt can run on the crippled 2MB devices)
[17:28:17] <andypugh> Does anyone recall the NML file change that was required? I was trying to use the V90 config distributed from the probotix website earlier, and it doesn't work as-downloaded.
[17:28:33] <cradek> just remove the out of date nml file
[17:29:07] <andypugh> removing the file gives an "I can't find an NML file" error instead.
[17:29:38] <andypugh> None of the files need execute permissions do they?
[17:29:56] <andypugh> (as it is a ZIP file, so will have lost them)
[17:30:19] <cradek> no
[17:30:26] <cradek> remove the NMLFILE= from the ini as well
[17:30:33] <andypugh> If anyone else wants a fiddle: http://www.probotix.com/downloads/V90_emc2_configs.zip
[17:30:47] <andypugh> Aha! I bet that does it.
[17:30:56] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?UPDATING#emc_nml_changes
[17:31:05] <cradek> it's, uh, item 1.1 :-)
[17:31:24] <andypugh> Reading the docs is for gurls! I prefer to look like an idiot.
[18:03:44] <andypugh> pcw_home: Did you get the chance to try the patch?
[18:32:10] <Connor> anyone have a R8 Collet Rack? Can you tell me the hole diameter and distance between centers on it ?
[18:36:29] <jdhnc> not me... are you making one?
[18:36:37] <Connor> yea
[18:36:47] <jdhnc> I did get some more yet to be used tooling last week :)
[18:36:49] <Connor> http://colletizer.com/r8.html
[18:37:20] <jdhnc> for $20, I'd just buy that one.
[18:37:39] <Connor> The top tier is going to have more spacing..
[18:37:51] <Connor> for other stuff like the boring head and drill chuck.
[18:38:44] <andypugh> For $20 I would buy 2 and waste some holes :-)
[18:39:00] <Connor> Trying to figure out how they connected the tiers together..
[18:39:01] <andypugh> Though I am really not a fan of R8
[18:39:05] <Connor> looks like PVC brick molding.
[18:39:31] <jdhnc> looks like just Z-bent steel?
[18:39:43] <Connor> no, They say it's PVC
[18:40:17] <jdhnc> why don't you like R8?
[18:40:25] <andypugh> It's too long
[18:41:07] <Connor> Back in a bit.
[18:41:11] <jdhnc> true, but it's what came with the mill.
[18:41:33] <andypugh> And because it is parallel, you need to lower the bed by the full 4.5" to get it out. CAT30/BT30 is about the same size, but drops out in a fraction of the headroom.
[18:49:45] <jdhnc> wonder how much space you lose with an R8->whatever adapter
[18:50:12] <jdhnc> ER32/40 are 32/40mm?
[18:52:00] <andypugh> It's an approx diameter of the outside of the collet, I think
[18:52:40] <andypugh> http://www.arceurotrade.co.uk/Catalogue/Collets/ER-Collets-Collet-Chucks
[18:53:37] <jdhnc> I'm stuck working graveyard shift for a few days... I thought I'd never have to do that.
[18:57:29] <andypugh> Haven't seen these before, right-angle heads driven by the coolant flow... http://www.eltool.com/Products/AngleHeads.aspx (which leaves the spindle free to position them). Rather clever.
[19:03:30] <kb8wmc> andypugh: are you familiar with the necessary electronics for reprap machines and if so, do you have any recommendations?
[19:03:57] <andypugh> No, sorry. I know nothing about them.
[19:04:07] <kb8wmc> ok...thanks
[19:05:03] <kb8wmc> anyone in the group that you know of familiar with repraps?
[19:06:44] <andypugh> There are a few names here: http://objects.reprap.org/wiki/Builders/EMCRepStrap
[19:07:11] <kb8wmc> ok...thanks andy....
[19:08:24] <andypugh> And time to sleep. Night all.