#linuxcnc | Logs for 2012-01-29

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[00:31:48] <KimK> jdhNC: Yes, I'm a seed
[00:33:41] <KimK> jdhNC: For the torrent link, try: http://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=eebd5ddae35ed3f9a0438efd0afbea467f456af1&f=ubuntu-10.04-linuxcnc1-i386.iso.torrent
[01:45:37] <Jymmm> Anyone remember these? http://www.ebay.com/itm/SHARP-EL-515S-Scientific-Calculator-with-Manuals-STILL-WORKS-/110813044215 I found one today at a yardsale for $1, works perfectly. FWIW, that's 28 years old and still goin ;)
[01:47:16] <Jymmm> It actually calculates percentages as one would expect, like with sales tax,etc
[01:49:28] <Jymmm> 50 + 5 % {displays: 2.5} = 52.5
[02:25:49] <cncbasher> seb_kuzminsky> yes will do
[02:33:00] <cncbasher> seb_kuzminsky>http://pastebin.com/1TC9Ayba
[02:34:12] <cncbasher> seb_kuzminsky>for information , orac3.bit works fine in 2.5
[06:15:49] <empiric> gusy i am trying to run celerra EMC version 5.5 advance but on left pane i am getting JAVA error
[06:22:47] <archivist> empiric, wrong emc probably
[06:23:20] <empiric> no i am able to craete SAN disk also
[06:23:38] <empiric> but i think on left side i have options to mount the SAN disk
[06:23:46] <empiric> which i can not see
[06:24:12] <archivist> empiric, this channel is NOT about emc storage systems
[06:24:27] <empiric> which channel then?
[06:25:01] <archivist> freenode is all bout open source software, you should ask emc
[06:25:07] <archivist> about
[06:25:57] <archivist> and right now emc the company has a bad reputation in here
[06:30:57] <empiric> it says Java Plug-in 1.6.0_29
[06:31:17] <empiric> Celerra Manager for https://192.168.1.200/, initialized the uiDispatcher applet at time 2012-01-29 15:13:50.104 Could not listen on port 4444
[06:33:23] <jthornton> LOL the redirect sends them here
[06:33:33] <archivist> empiric, look at the topic
[06:38:20] <Jymmm> or channel
[06:39:21] <alex_joni> LinuxCNC is a linux-based opensource CNC control. | Latest release: 2.4.7
[06:39:25] <alex_joni> so there is no 5.5 ;)
[06:40:33] <archivist> I think we may need a larger clue by 4
[06:41:15] <Jymmm> set an entry message
[07:49:40] <skunkworks> http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/showpost.php?p=736199&postcount=44
[07:50:34] <Jymmm> What's emc?
[07:55:27] <Vq> Jymmm: European Mathematical Congress
[07:55:44] <Loetmichel_> *grrrr*
[07:56:27] * Loetmichel_ has accidently moved the cuck into some foam PVC yesterday
[07:57:01] <Loetmichel_> <- is cleaning the ER11 chuck with a xactoknife since about 15 min now :-(
[07:57:58] <Loetmichel_> the molten plastics has flown up the notches in the chuck, even in the ome backwards :-(
[07:58:02] <Loetmichel_> ones
[07:59:53] <skunkworks> yeck
[08:19:38] <archivist> you could possibly dissolve it out
[08:22:20] <skunkworks> did anyone see this? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
[08:23:19] <cncbasher> yes i get the same here
[08:24:54] <skunkworks> ok
[08:24:56] <skunkworks> thanks
[08:26:15] <cncbasher> unless it's under maintenance of course
[08:35:31] <n0b0dy> is copper hard to turn? say harder than say steel? or am i doing it wrong?
[08:37:37] <n0b0dy> or is it my sherline micro/mini lathe?
[08:37:45] <n0b0dy> might even be the motor... :/
[08:38:01] <skunkworks> copper is not easy to turn.
[08:38:16] <n0b0dy> k
[08:40:41] <syyl__> sharp lapped hss tool helps
[08:40:51] <syyl__> or a carbide insert for aluminium
[08:41:06] <syyl__> (and i read of milk for cooling...but i think thats a hoax)
[08:45:03] <archivist> it is sticky to turn, it work hardens
[08:45:33] <n0b0dy> ^--- yea, k
[08:45:53] <n0b0dy> it was one of those lets try this...
[08:46:16] <n0b0dy> Shortening the threads on a copper fitting. Needed to hold a plastic plunger for a balloon pump, and wide the plastic opening a little more
[09:05:02] <mikegg> I wonder what kind of shape this is in: http://macon.craigslist.org/tls/2767634345.html
[09:15:15] <archivist> bit expensive for faulty and nearly 30 years old, could it be as "well used" looking as http://www.cam-cnc.com/1988-mori-seiki-mv-5550/
[09:15:57] <Nick001> is iocontrol specific to mesa or is it an emc signal that other controllers can use?
[09:16:49] <n0b0dy> mmm
[09:18:59] <mikegg> I don't think it is specific to mesa
[09:22:44] <JT-Shop> mhaberler: are you about?
[09:22:53] <mhaberler> yessir!
[09:23:33] <JT-Shop> http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=48&id=16439&limit=6&start=12#17261
[09:23:47] <JT-Shop> can you look at my code over on the forum please?
[09:23:59] <mhaberler> sure
[09:25:41] <mhaberler> yes, the names need to be distinct - they are used in the _on_xxx_change handlers and the second self.label = … overwrites the first
[09:26:04] <mhaberler> just make one up, and change the _on.. handler to refer to it
[09:28:00] <JT-Shop> ok, thanks
[09:32:56] <JT-BP> is there a list of hal.pintypes somewhere? a search for HAL_FLOAT in the integrators manual turns up nothing
[09:33:42] <JT-BP> bet it is in the hal manual
[09:36:54] <mhaberler> they come through the 'import hal', see http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/hal/halmodule.html
[09:37:14] <mhaberler> it's not specific to gladevcp, vanilla HAL python
[09:38:15] <JT-BP> just found it in halmodule
[09:38:40] <JT-BP> I can't wait for 1 pdf so the whole thing can be searched...
[09:38:44] <mhaberler> lost in Python import hell ;-)
[09:39:38] <mhaberler> hm, good point, searchable manual.. maybe psha and me can put up something asides the irc searchable logs
[09:39:45] <JT-BP> WOW! it seems to be working
[09:40:26] <JT-BP> if we could fix the html cross reference that would help a lot
[09:40:56] <mhaberler> what specifically you mean by 'html cross reference' - any links?
[09:41:14] <JT-BP> just a sec
[09:41:51] <JT-BP> in the appendix section of 2.4 docs http://linuxcnc.org/docview/html/
[09:42:19] <JT-BP> when we changed to asciidoc the script no longer worked to generate the cross reference index
[09:42:32] <mhaberler> uh
[09:43:12] <mhaberler> do you happen to know the pathname of 'the script', I guess docs/src/...?
[09:43:30] <JT-BP> that would be my guess
[09:43:43] <JT-BP> let me see if I can find it
[09:44:56] <JT-Shop> I think it is xref.py
[09:45:59] <mhaberler> yep, got it
[09:46:52] <mhaberler> hm, that vanished
[09:47:25] <mhaberler> not from the Submakefile though
[09:47:41] <mhaberler> in fact psha is online :-)
[09:47:47] <JT-BP> :)
[09:51:24] <Tugge> Good evening. I have build 3 axis milling machine with stepper motor driving and almost everything works like a dream. Except the homing point.
[09:52:02] <JT-BP> what did you expect and what did you get?
[09:53:04] <Tugge> I can't home the device now. If I for example drive x-axel to home (to the real switch) the x axel doesn't go to right direction.
[09:53:44] <JT-BP> change the sign of the home velocity
[09:54:00] <Tugge> I can drive x axel to wrong direction, but not the right direction. So does those home switches need to be in specific side of axel?
[09:54:12] <JT-BP> no
[09:54:29] <JT-BP> when you jog does the axis go the correct direction?
[09:55:09] <Tugge> Yes. If I press + the axel goes for same direction as in the 3d-image.
[09:56:33] <JT-BP> in your ini file change the sign of HOME_SEARCH_VEL
[09:56:41] <JT-BP> to go the other way when homing
[09:57:09] <JT-BP> Tugge: http://linuxcnc.org/docview/2.5/html/config/ini_homing.html#_home_search_vel
[09:57:14] <Tugge> Thanks I tr that.
[10:25:04] <seb_kuzminsky> cncbasher: in the new pastebin (http://pastebin.com/1TC9Ayba) you forget to set gpio.037.is_output
[10:25:56] <seb_kuzminsky> cncbasher: so ORAC3 used to work fine with 2.5 before my watchdog change earlier this week, but after my change it bites right away
[10:25:59] <cncbasher> seb> thanks i'll check it
[10:26:26] <cncbasher> yes thats correct orac3 works fine in 2.5
[10:26:39] <seb_kuzminsky> cncbin older 2.5 but not in new 2.5
[10:26:57] <cncbasher> only emc2-dev git master is giving me problems
[10:27:19] <seb_kuzminsky> that's funny, i haven't changed master
[10:27:27] <seb_kuzminsky> ok well that's good to know
[10:27:56] <seb_kuzminsky> logger[mah]:
[10:27:56] <logger[mah]> seb_kuzminsky: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc/2012-01-29.html
[10:30:13] <seb_kuzminsky> ah, looks like mhaberler merged 2.5 into master on friday
[10:30:53] <seb_kuzminsky> when did you update your git repo last?
[10:30:55] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
[10:30:57] <cncbasher> works fine up to version 2.5.0 pre2-626
[10:31:06] <cncbasher> but not after that
[10:31:23] <cncbasher> last git update today
[10:38:59] <seb_kuzminsky> cncbasher: 2.6.0-pre2.626 was just before the rebranding effort
[10:39:10] <seb_kuzminsky> oops, i meant 2.5.0-pre2.626
[10:39:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder if that's related
[10:39:56] <cncbasher> yes i was also thinking the same
[10:40:19] <seb_kuzminsky> it sounds like you are running rip builds, and you know your way around git pretty well, is that right?
[10:40:36] <cncbasher> resonably
[10:41:14] <seb_kuzminsky> great! can you check out commit 5782134e00caebdd1d74f1b0cf68ba9c233d8de5 and build and try that?
[10:41:25] <seb_kuzminsky> that's the last commit before i started messing with the hm2 watchdog
[10:42:16] <seb_kuzminsky> bbl
[10:42:25] <cncbasher> ha this is where things go pear shaped
[10:56:08] * Loetmichel_ is making himself some cable spools to clean up his entangled spare wires...: http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12733
[10:56:12] <Loetmichel_> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12736
[10:56:22] <Loetmichel_> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12739
[10:56:28] <Loetmichel_> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12742
[10:56:36] <Loetmichel_> http://www.cyrom.org/palbum/main.php?g2_itemId=12745
[10:57:13] <Loetmichel_> ... i love this 3mm PVC foam plates (called "hobbycolor" or "forex" or "guttagliss" over here)
[11:01:58] <skunkworks> cool
[11:02:17] <n0b0dy> foam?
[11:02:42] <Loetmichel_> its foamed PVC
[11:02:50] <Loetmichel_> but very low foamed
[11:12:00] <seb_kuzminsky> cncbasher: "git checkout 5782134e00caebdd1d74f1b0cf68ba9c233d8de5", then build as usual
[11:12:11] <cncbasher> ok
[11:13:37] <seb_kuzminsky> you'll be in what git calls a "detached head state", which means your working tree does not correspond to a branch head, so remember to checkout a real branch when we're done debugging here
[11:13:37] <mikegg> andypugh: I've got my drives running in sinusoidal mode now. Sweet! Is there an advantage to cfg = qhi vs qh ?
[11:13:45] <seb_kuzminsky> cncbasher: bbl
[11:14:08] <cncbasher> seb> ok no problem
[11:34:08] <pcw_home> cncbasher is it possible you have a very old config that has no watchdog (some of those existed a number of years ago)
[11:34:10] <pcw_home> If the driver assumes theres a watchdog without checking the ModuleID record it would see the watchdog as always bitten
[11:34:11] <pcw_home> (missing registers will read as 0xffffffff = 1 in the wd has bitten bit)
[11:34:28] <seb_kuzminsky> pcw_home: the driver checks for the presence of the watchdog before trying to use it
[11:34:42] <seb_kuzminsky> (at least that's the intent, i guess it's possible i wrote a bug in there)
[11:34:57] <pcw_home> OK just wondering what could be different
[11:35:16] <seb_kuzminsky> what's this ORAC3 firmware?
[11:35:27] <seb_kuzminsky> that's different...
[11:36:07] <seb_kuzminsky> that's what cncbasher is using
[11:36:26] <cncbasher> i presume it's possible
[11:36:42] <cncbasher> using hostmot2-firmware from git
[11:37:00] <seb_kuzminsky> there's no orac firmware in the git repo afaik
[11:37:12] <cncbasher> no thats my own build
[11:37:36] <cncbasher> works fine up to version 2.5 626
[11:37:56] <seb_kuzminsky> you checked out the hostmot2 git repo, modified it to add a new "orac" firmare, and that's what you're running now?
[11:38:04] <cncbasher> yes correct
[11:38:14] <seb_kuzminsky> ah ok
[11:38:33] <seb_kuzminsky> could you try one of the known good firmwares, like SVST4_4, please?
[11:38:37] <cncbasher> all was working fine up to the last week or so
[11:38:43] <seb_kuzminsky> to help narrow down where the error lies
[11:38:48] <cncbasher> yea sure
[11:39:18] <seb_kuzminsky> i slightly changed how the driver uses the watchdog, in a way that i think should be totally fine
[11:39:32] <seb_kuzminsky> if the orac watchdog behaves differently than the usual one that could be the problem
[11:41:02] <seb_kuzminsky> for this test, checkout the tip of the 2.5 branch, not that commit i told you earlier!
[11:41:11] <seb_kuzminsky> yes we're drowning you in debugging requests...
[11:41:29] <seb_kuzminsky> oops
[11:41:31] <cncbasher> haha
[11:42:21] <cncbasher> ok 2.5.0-pre-626-g402b6cd runs fine with orac3
[11:42:53] <seb_kuzminsky> ok that's good to know, so it's not the renaming changes, it really seems to be the watchdog changes
[11:43:20] <seb_kuzminsky> oh wait, 626 is before the rename
[11:43:46] <seb_kuzminsky> so the two things to try next are:
[11:43:57] <seb_kuzminsky> does orac work with commit 5782134e00caebdd1d74f1b0cf68ba9c233d8de5 (after rename but before watchdog)
[11:44:07] <seb_kuzminsky> does svst4_4 work with the tip of 2.5
[11:44:14] <mrsun> hmm, is there any program one can use to "simulate" a mazatrol nc machine? :)
[11:50:50] <jdhNC> http://www.predator-software.com/Predator_Virtual_CNC_Software_Mazak_CNC.htm
[11:52:08] <mikegg> I think I have a copy of that program, it comes bundled with bob-CAD/CAM
[11:53:51] <seb_kuzminsky> Loetmichel_: i like your spools
[12:22:09] <Loetmichel_> seb_kuzminsky: may it help to get my workshop cleaned up a little ;-)
[12:24:22] <seb_kuzminsky> Loetmichel_: how did you design it? how did you make the gcode?
[12:25:49] <Loetmichel_> seb_kuzminsky: drawed 2d in corelDraw, exported .plt teh sent through BoCNC
[12:27:22] <Loetmichel_> i am able to imagine how a 2d painting will look when put togegether, tough ;-)
[12:27:59] <n0b0dy> your tabs reminded me of: http://www.rahulbotics.com/personal-projects/boxmaker/
[12:29:34] <seb_kuzminsky> cool, Loetmichel_
[12:29:51] <IchGucksLive> for boxmaker gimpo has some good brushes
[12:30:20] <Loetmichel_> n0b0dy: i do them a lot, but desinged to fit on my own, not with a tool ;-)
[12:30:45] <Loetmichel_> (sometimes i fu** up, though ;-)
[12:30:48] <n0b0dy> <-- cheats
[12:34:26] * Loetmichel_ had a fun moment some 20 years ago: i worked as a low wage "helping hand" in a machine construction company then. Had to bring some stuff to the "master engineer"....
[12:35:10] <Loetmichel_> ... looked at his drawing board behind his desk... "hey, Mr. Engineer: thet painting there will not fit!"
[12:35:52] <Loetmichel_> got myself a BAD bollocking.
[12:36:11] <Loetmichel_> how i could critizise the master engineer.
[12:36:27] <Loetmichel_> some half a year later we build the machine...
[12:36:33] <Loetmichel_> first test run...
[12:37:19] <Loetmichel_> *CRASH* ... a lot of plastic chippings fly around...
[12:38:28] * Loetmichel_ coudn't resist... [ me ... Boss ... Engineer] -> me asked the engineer : "Mr. Engineer, didnt i mentoined that half a year ago?"
[12:39:00] <Loetmichel_> ... the bollocking the engineer got from the boss was GREAT for my self esteem ;-)
[12:39:21] <n0b0dy> lol
[12:44:13] <A2Sheds> which distributors in the EU carry the smaller DIY steppers, controllers, servos etc? What you might find at http://www.pololu.com/
[12:45:10] <A2Sheds> unless somebody here is interested in distributing photopolymers in the EU
[12:58:41] <IchGucksLive> A2Sheds: i dont see drivers for servos with encoder
[12:59:10] <Jymmm> Loetmichel_: You should have PIMPED OUT your Wire Spools... Just like rims, or with flames, or whatever =)
[12:59:34] <A2Sheds> IchGucksLive: at pololu?
[12:59:43] <IchGucksLive> yes
[12:59:53] <Jymmm> Loetmichel_: BTW what ver of corel do you use?
[13:00:30] <Loetmichel_> Jymmm: 8
[13:00:46] <Jymmm> Loetmichel_: Really??????????????
[13:00:50] <A2Sheds> IchGucksLive: I think the only ones they carry are the small hobby servos
[13:01:03] <Jymmm> Loetmichel_: Where you at on the planet?
[13:01:17] <Loetmichel_> germany
[13:01:37] <IchGucksLive> A2Sheds: its only for speed drivers no feedback
[13:01:54] <A2Sheds> IchGucksLive: are you looking for some?
[13:02:03] <Loetmichel_> Jymmm: i am used to it, so i stay with it
[13:02:06] <Jymmm> Loetmichel_: Would it be worth $100 USD to have a legal copy of Corel Draw14 or 15?
[13:02:24] <IchGucksLive> yes i got alot of DC brushed faulhaber and want to give them a try
[13:02:31] <Loetmichel_> i think i am faster with corel8 than somen engineers woth autocad or similar
[13:03:06] <Jymmm> Loetmichel_: I understand, Just some added features in later verions and less bugs.
[13:03:13] <Loetmichel_> Jymmm: ask me in a few months. have to upgrade 'cause cd8 isnt running under win7
[13:03:25] <Loetmichel_> atm i am using it in a vm in xp
[13:03:57] <IchGucksLive> A2Sheds: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen
[13:04:02] <Jymmm> Loetmichel_: The "Home" version goes on sale every so often for $75 + $25 shipping to .de
[13:04:22] <Loetmichel_> thats cheap
[13:04:24] <IchGucksLive> this are the motors im going to try and do what is in the Video
[13:04:51] <Loetmichel_> i have payed in excess of 800DM for my copy of cd8
[13:05:04] <Loetmichel_> ... some 15++ years ago ;)
[13:05:05] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel_: why Corel not gimp
[13:05:08] <Jymmm> Loetmichel_: Yeah, that's why I asked if you were interested in upgrading. I do hear ppl not liking 15 though under W7, I use 14 under xp.
[13:05:15] <n0b0dy> inkscape?
[13:05:36] <Loetmichel_> IchGucksLive: 'cause i am used to corel since version 4
[13:05:45] <IchGucksLive> n0b0dy: gimp is for drawing better then incscape
[13:05:45] <Jymmm> Corel is dramatically different than inkscape or gimp.
[13:05:55] <Jymmm> or even photoshop
[13:06:08] <IchGucksLive> Loetmichel_: i got 3 here 2 also on a Win98SE
[13:06:15] <A2Sheds> IchGucksLive: seems to be a bad link or incomplete
[13:06:15] <Loetmichel_> ... and have no want for learning a new program until forced to
[13:06:18] <n0b0dy> i just need lines that snap to other lines
[13:06:43] <IchGucksLive> n0b0dy: that sounds like CAD/Cam
[13:06:49] <Jymmm> Inkscape is specifically SVG driven, and since the SVG specs has bugs, so does inksape, especially with absolute values.
[13:06:50] <IchGucksLive> A2Sheds: i see
[13:07:14] <Jymmm> corel inport/export over 100 formats.
[13:07:31] <Loetmichel_> Jymmm: more or less...
[13:07:36] <n0b0dy> Jymmm, yea but my tolerances > inkscape's bugs =))
[13:07:36] <IchGucksLive> Jymmm: but with internel parameters
[13:07:51] <IchGucksLive> EPP is not the ISO one
[13:07:53] <Jymmm> n0b0dy: lol
[13:08:11] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: ?
[13:08:20] <Loetmichel_> versions prior to 7 have a nasty bug in the hpgl exporter: the aspct ratio is something like 1:0,98 or so
[13:08:38] <Loetmichel_> and dxf is often mangled because if mm/inc
[13:08:42] <Loetmichel_> inch
[13:08:43] <Jymmm> Corel 12 has a PS bug, that's fixed in Corel 13.
[13:09:12] <IchGucksLive> youv all seen this engaving throu gimp->incscape i guss
[13:09:22] <IchGucksLive> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI7uj-6KgyE
[13:09:55] <IchGucksLive> Jymmm: agree but the Cutplotter does not accept the corel files
[13:10:20] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: What format does it want?
[13:10:47] <IchGucksLive> EPP
[13:10:47] <IchGucksLive> it gives me no round all lines
[13:11:29] <Jymmm> what is EPP ?
[13:11:58] <IchGucksLive> the Roland Cutter format
[13:12:21] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: Well to create in corel, then import into Roland.
[13:12:28] <Jymmm> s/to/you/
[13:12:38] <A2Sheds> EPP = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1284
[13:12:50] <Jymmm> IchGucksLive: That's a limitation of roland software, it's been around for a while.
[13:13:05] <Jymmm> A2Sheds: I HOPE that's not what IchGucksLive is tlaking about
[13:13:19] <Jymmm> If it is, that's an easy fix.
[13:13:30] <IchGucksLive> no thats the Port
[13:14:02] <mrsun> baah i need to get a temporary motor mount up :/ sigh
[13:14:22] <mrsun> and im hungover .... so everything is sooo fun today :P
[13:14:29] <Jymmm> mrsun: duct tape, cables ties, bailing wire, and plumbers tape.
[13:14:40] <IchGucksLive> Doday iv seen the first run of my new decine Mill
[13:14:47] <IchGucksLive> at 1500mm/min
[13:15:08] <mrsun> Jymmm, heh i guess as long as i get the motor to just sit still its good enough, could just put a plate under the mill and bolt the damn motor solid into the plate
[13:15:14] <mrsun> Jymmm, thanks! =)
[13:15:27] <Jymmm> =)
[13:15:50] <mrsun> so i can start making the casting pattern for the new motor mounts, and then be able to work on the resulting castings ...
[13:18:34] <IchGucksLive> GN8 for me By
[13:19:20] <mrsun> Jymmm, you just lit new hope into my life ... will you marry me ?
[13:19:47] <Jymmm> mrsun: Sure, why not. Will there be cake?
[13:20:03] <mrsun> ofc, huge one ... :P
[13:20:07] <mrsun> you move to sweden then? :P
[13:20:30] <Jymmm> mrsun: Sure, as soon as the avg year round temperature is 74 F
[13:20:45] <mrsun> ough .. will have to be a long distancer then :P
[13:21:08] <Jymmm> Ok, just ship me my cake then
[13:21:45] <Jymmm> mrsun: Let me guess, plumbers tape?
[13:22:17] <mrsun> Jymmm, nah gonna put a plate under the machine, and put a couple of L brackets or something that will hold the motor from twisting
[13:22:22] <mrsun> noo
[13:22:24] <mrsun> wont work!
[13:22:31] <mrsun> as the motor moves. ...
[13:22:32] <mrsun> sigh
[13:22:35] <mrsun> my life sucks ... again
[13:22:42] <Jymmm> I want a divorce then!
[13:22:49] <mrsun> the marriage is off :/
[13:23:04] <Jymmm> I'm keeping the ring biotch!
[13:23:28] <mrsun> yeye whatever
[13:23:35] <mrsun> like all people you give your heart to ...
[13:23:43] <mrsun> your no different then the rest!
[13:23:52] <Jymmm> And I'm selling it and buying the perfect motor mount!
[13:25:33] <Jymmm> mrsun: Oh look, the motor fits perfectly, easily adjustable, and no vibrations whatsoever!
[13:25:46] <mrsun> haha :P
[13:25:48] <mrsun> bastard =)
[13:25:54] <Jymmm> hahahaha
[13:40:07] <gene__> Continued from yesterday: What sort of consistency can I expect from G38.2? I'm getting deviations approaching a thou either way, even at F2 speeds
[13:41:59] <andypugh> It ought to be related to how far the machine moves in the sample time. My suspicion would be that your touch-off plate might be inconsisitent. You could try probing the other way.
[13:42:18] <andypugh> ie, probing to break, not to make
[13:43:11] <cradek> the consistency is how far your machine moves in a servo period
[13:43:44] <cradek> at F2 and millisecond servo period, that's .002
[13:43:55] <gene__> Andy: drill bit length is mostly unk, so doing for break isn't practical
[13:43:57] <cradek> for that reason, it's probably best to probe fast and then back off and probe slow
[13:45:02] <cradek> math error: that's .00003
[13:45:37] <gene__> Ok, I can diddle the subroutine file to do that, but I am having stops on the backoff, error is probe signal on non probe move, so I have to repeat the move
[13:46:06] <gene__> This is more than that
[13:46:26] <pcw_home> higher voltage sense? (12 or 24 )
[13:47:28] <skunkworks> gene__: I had really good luck with a simple microswitch
[13:47:56] <andypugh> gene__: I have a feeling that probe can do fast to break, then slow to make. But I have never actually tried it, so could be worng.
[13:47:57] <skunkworks> way less than .001
[13:48:17] <gene__> Again, fixed by what is available from interface board, solid 5 volts, copper pcb, probe leads to pcb and ground oin drill bit, else I'm getting noise when closed
[13:48:45] <skunkworks> I used it for circuit board milling using cradeks/jeplers gcode.ulp for eagle.
[13:49:12] <gene__> skunkworks: it has only been worse than a thou once, first time.
[13:49:32] <gene__> IS that a better solution than pcb-gcode?
[13:49:43] <skunkworks> I liked it...
[13:49:52] <pcw_home> is this just the tool touching a PCB pad?
[13:50:22] <gene__> yes, flat uncut pcb surface, clean I think
[13:52:05] <pcw_home> Thats why I was suggesting a higher sense voltage (oxide etc that might take a higher deflection for the tool to penetrate)
[13:52:21] <pcw_home> just a WAG
[13:53:02] <skunkworks> gene__: http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/DSC_5099.JPG
[13:53:14] <andypugh> I would guess that you want it not so high that the arc length is relevant though. 50kV would be wrong.
[13:53:22] <skunkworks> (the vacuum failed cutting the boarder)
[13:53:27] <gene__> OTOH, maybe I'm being picky. I considered the oxide, but when each hit for 10 in a row goes down before the next one backs up, its worrysome. haha
[13:54:11] <gene__> SDo far as I know there isn't any drive slippage
[13:54:15] <andypugh> skunkworks: Vacuum failure top-left?
[13:54:26] <skunkworks> yes
[13:56:02] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/schem/newcurrentlimit/top.JPG
[13:56:10] <gene__> That link looks pretty good although the clearance is a bit wide, I wanted to be done in an hour a side so I settled for less clearance.
[13:56:54] <skunkworks> this was for a higher voltage servo amp - I needed a bit of isolation
[13:57:36] <gene__> Where in the wiki can I find an example G38.2 that demos ALL the options?
[13:58:31] <gene__> Ahh I see. You have several hundred volts I'd guess, till it gets dirty anyway. :(
[14:00:00] <skunkworks> that was done with a pointed bit for isolation and a 1/16 bit for clearing
[14:00:25] <skunkworks> gcode.ulp does both (and holes)
[14:04:56] <skunkworks> gene__: the gcode.ulp adds the tool probing at each tool change also. So you only have to set the first tool - the rest are then referenced off of the first. really works well
[14:10:55] <Jymmm> For those in the UK, how long did this happen for? http://www.wimp.com/railtimelapse/
[14:17:17] <archivist> Jymmm, the build, or the swap
[14:17:48] <archivist> for the swap count nights, not many days
[14:18:53] <archivist> they usually plan to just do it in a weekend but that looked a few days longer, like an easter 4 day stoppage
[14:21:44] <andypugh> This one is 18 hours.
[14:21:46] <andypugh> http://gizmodo.com/5846648/i-never-expected-a-bridge-demolition-would-look-like-this
[14:23:29] <andypugh> But then the A1 (as you might guess from the name) is rather a major road.
[14:25:56] <syyl> fun with the 4th axis and bending plexiglas...
[14:26:02] <syyl> [2109:58] <syyl_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2012-01-28_14-32-36_967.jpg
[14:26:02] <syyl> [2110:04] <syyl_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2012-01-28_14-54-12_108.jpg
[14:26:02] <syyl> [2110:08] <syyl_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2012-01-28_15-08-51_242.jpg
[14:26:03] <syyl> [2110:12] <syyl_> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/24396704/2012-01-28_15-26-39_790.jpg
[14:29:46] <n0b0dy> did you heat it?
[14:29:50] <syyl> jep
[14:29:57] <syyl> with a hotair pistol
[14:30:34] <Jymmm> archivist: andypugh Looked cool either way... $18 Million dollars spent in 4 minutes =)
[14:32:01] <andypugh> cradek: Do you recall how 5axiskins is meant to work? http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/component/kunena/?func=view&catid=10&id=16183&limit=6&start=24
[14:34:21] <Jymmm> http://gawker.com/5877676/a-bicycle-decomposing-on-a-new-york-sidewalk
[14:35:12] <n0b0dy> scroll down and play the benny hill music while watching the bridge take down
[14:36:04] <gene__> And where can I find this gcode.ulp?
[14:37:40] <gene__> However my instant question is how do I "call" a file that is in a subdir of nc_files, my test looper isn't finding it
[14:39:18] <gene__> This isn't working:o/home/gene/emc2/nc_files/lathe-encoder/autoZ.ngc call
[14:40:34] <jthornton> andypugh: thanks for the info on FFx
[14:40:57] <andypugh> Give people with more idea time to disagree :-)
[14:41:08] <jthornton> lol
[14:41:13] <mikegg> syyl: did you build that fourth axis? looks nice
[14:41:25] <syyl> jep, own design
[14:41:56] <mikegg> is that a nema 34 stepper? did you use a gear reduction?
[14:41:57] <jthornton> is that the one with the funny gearbox thingy
[14:42:10] <mikegg> a harmonic drive?
[14:42:21] <jthornton> yea that one
[14:42:33] <syyl> right
[14:42:38] <mikegg> heh, I called their sales rep for the SE and asked if they ever have scratch and dent sales
[14:42:38] <syyl> 1:50 harmonic drive :)
[14:42:40] <andypugh> gene__: try lathe-encoder/autoZ.ngc call
[14:43:00] <syyl> awesome thing..very precise, no backlash
[14:43:12] <mikegg> did you pick it up on the bay?
[14:43:23] <syyl> ebay thailand, yes :D:
[14:43:48] <andypugh> There's a lot of nice stuff comes out of Thailand, I do wonder what the source is.
[14:45:17] <syyl> that one seemd to be from an industrial retailer
[14:46:36] <skunkworks> gene__: http://git.unpy.net/view/eagle.git
[14:48:24] <gene__> olathe-encoder/autoZ.ngc call is "unknown word starting with l" lowercase ell
[14:49:30] <gene__> That won't load by itself either
[14:50:07] <andypugh> o <lathe-encoder/.... > call perhaps?
[14:50:50] <gene__> I'll give that a shot, thanks Andy
[14:50:58] <andypugh> You might have to lose the capital Z from the filename, everything in g-code gets de-spaced and lowercased
[14:52:38] <gene__> I just got bit :)
[14:54:49] <gene__> Still not, can't open the file now.
[14:55:24] <gene__> it does report the filename correctly though.
[14:56:31] <Jymmm> Awesome... http://gizmodo.com/5865553/can-earth-look-any-more-gorgeous-than-this-answer-no
[14:57:18] <gene__> http://git.unpy.net/view/eagle.git, xml parsing error, line 42 column 20
[14:58:22] <n0b0dy> should be an imax
[14:58:39] <Jymmm> n0b0dy: did you click "HD" ?
[14:59:58] <n0b0dy> nah
[15:00:02] <n0b0dy> watching another vid :p
[15:00:13] <n0b0dy> liked the natural 3d of it htough
[15:02:37] <skunkworks> gene__: when you load the page?
[15:03:43] <andypugh> gene__: You probably want git:// not http://
[15:04:04] <n0b0dy> HD = awesome
[15:04:18] <andypugh> gene__: No, ignore that
[15:08:58] <gene__> In any event its not working. I can tour some of the parent dirs, but not that one.
[15:10:01] <gene__> I've also just given synaptic perms to pull emc and install linuxcnc plus one likely suspect in the libxml camp
[15:11:30] <gene__> When thats done I'll check the git install.
[15:13:07] <archivist> Jymmm, that bridge replacement is on youtube took place between 24.12.11 and 28.12.11. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9mAPhFN3a4
[15:19:45] <archivist> Jymmm, and then you find this 72 hours http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HQestZREaM&feature=related
[15:20:38] <gene__> I installed some git starting with git-core, but so far its broken
[15:24:50] <gene__> Poking at this firefoxes prefs and such says it doesn't have a clue what the git protocol is. WTH?
[15:26:24] <A2Sheds> gene__: try opening a terminal and then $ git clone <git:address>
[15:28:32] <gene__> I have a bigger problem, the new linuxcnc can't see my configs dir and is showing me a huge menu of stuff I never heard of before !!!
[15:30:48] <gene__> The directory is still there, intact, and I can't find a clue where its finding all those strange configs, 5 or 6 for sherlines etc
[15:31:53] <gene__> Do I need to clear all the terms out of ~/gene/emc2 and rename it to linuxcnc?
[15:35:51] <gene__> Now the config editor at startup opens, but the OK is disabled, now what
[15:39:51] <gene__> I renamed ~gene/emc2 to ~/gene/linuxcnc, now the config editor at startup opens and shows me my confrigs, but the OK is disabled, now what??
[15:42:17] <Jymmm> archivist: thanks for the links.
[15:42:36] <Jymmm> Heh, my gf can't understand why I like the Upper Desert so much =)
[15:43:15] <Jymmm> err High Desert
[15:45:51] <gene__> Aha, got it, I think there is now an extra level to the directory or something.
[15:46:24] <gene__> Nice new logo too!
[15:50:54] <Jymmm> alex_joni: ping
[15:51:28] <gene__> But I am back to not finding the subroutine file, Hi Alex
[15:51:53] <Jymmm> gene__: I think he's asleep already
[15:52:08] <gene__> Konversation says Alex is off the clock
[15:52:11] <gene__> :)
[15:52:28] <Jymmm> gene__: He's ALWAYS off the clock, his rocker, etc.
[15:52:51] <gene__> I'll let you claim that ;-)
[15:53:08] <Jymmm> gene__: I'm not claiming anything, just ask him
[15:53:11] <Jymmm> ;)
[15:53:32] <gene__> Ohhh, well, in that case...
[15:54:25] <n0b0dy> hell i probably got this one from you .. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLQuRuaSQVk
[15:54:26] <Jymmm> LinuxCNC == LCNC == (kinda sounds like) Elsee (sp), the girls name.
[16:03:39] <gene__> My back is about ~30~ so I'd better go see what Dee wants for dinner, its about 5 here, later guys if I can get my feet warmed up. Thanks.
[16:04:33] <Jymmm> laters gene
[16:33:55] <Jymmm> I never knew they had all this, just missing the toilet... http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/rvs/2824272935.html
[19:16:42] <ssi> so I had something super fun happen tonight
[19:16:45] <ssi> my mill quill seized on me D:
[19:16:57] <ssi> all at once... it got stiff and then locked up almost completely, within like 30 seconds
[19:17:00] <Valen> :-<
[19:17:08] <ssi> not sure what to do :P
[19:17:17] <Valen> when they go they do quick
[19:17:32] <ssi> the spindle's still running fine, but the quill won't move
[19:17:53] <ssi> I guess I'm gonna have to take the damn head apart
[19:18:03] <ssi> never done it before on a bridgeport type mill
[19:18:03] <Valen> dunno what it is, i'd start by looking at the bits that make it go up and down
[19:18:30] <Valen> perhaps ask on cnczone or something if its known
[19:21:27] <skunkworks> quill?
[19:21:34] <ssi> it's a manual machine :P