#linuxcnc-devel Logs

Jul 10 2019

12:52 PM seb_kuzminsky: i added a column to the Minimum Software Versions wiki page for Buster, and i added a row for 2.8 (copied from master): http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?MinimumSoftwareVersions
12:55 PM seb_kuzminsky: that page shows that we claim that support linuxcnc 2.7 supports ubuntu lucid and newer, and that lucid has gtk2 but not gtk3
12:55 PM seb_kuzminsky: this affects the problem John T and i were looking at, with python-gtksourceview2
04:45 PM seb_kuzminsky: JT-Shop JT-Shop2 hey there, are you around?
05:08 PM JT-Shop: hey seb_kuzminsky
05:12 PM jthornton: hey seb_kuzminsky
05:12 PM seb_kuzminsky: hey both of you
05:12 PM seb_kuzminsky: i saw your email about yapps
05:12 PM * jthornton calls it a day... time to relax in the beer cave :)
05:12 PM jthornton: yapps2-runtime?
05:13 PM seb_kuzminsky: ok i'll just talk to JT-Shop then :-)
05:13 PM seb_kuzminsky: yeah, that one
05:13 PM seb_kuzminsky: halcompile needs the yapps runtime
05:13 PM seb_kuzminsky: the yapps runtime moved from yapps2-runtime.deb in stretch and older to python-yapps in buster
05:13 PM jthornton: hmmm I didn't try to compile anything but I did run halcompile
05:14 PM seb_kuzminsky: hmm
05:14 PM jthornton: just reading the dev mail now
05:14 PM seb_kuzminsky: halcompile imports yapps right at the top
05:14 PM seb_kuzminsky: ah, if you were run-in-place then you got our in-tree yapps runtime
05:14 PM jthornton: yea yapps2 is in buster
05:15 PM jthornton: no, I built debs and used Gdebi to install them
05:16 PM seb_kuzminsky: did you un-install yapps2-runtime/python-yapps?
05:17 PM jthornton: AFAIK when you import yapps2 your using python-yapps2
05:17 PM jthornton: yapps2-runtime is not in buster so it never got installed
05:18 PM seb_kuzminsky: do you have python-yapps installed?
05:18 PM jthornton: yes
05:19 PM seb_kuzminsky: ok, that's why halcompile works for you on buster
05:19 PM jthornton: I just checked my notes
05:19 PM jthornton: ok so the or python-yapps2 will fix that in buster
05:19 PM seb_kuzminsky: if you have a clean install of buster without python-yapps installed, then halcompile will not run
05:19 PM seb_kuzminsky: yes, exactly
05:19 PM seb_kuzminsky: i have a branch that does that (among other things)
05:19 PM jthornton: yea it's a fresh install from this morning
05:20 PM seb_kuzminsky: fresh, but plus python-yapps
05:20 PM jthornton: yea, it's a dependency for linuxcnc
05:20 PM seb_kuzminsky: my yapps fix branch is making its way through the buildbot now, if it passes i'll open a PR, i'd appreciate your review on it
05:20 PM seb_kuzminsky: wait, i'm confused
05:21 PM jthornton: after I do debian/configure uspace I check builddeps
05:21 PM linuxcnc-build: build #3675 of 1402.rip-wheezy-rtpreempt-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1402.rip-wheezy-rtpreempt-i386/builds/3675 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:21 PM jthornton: rut row
05:21 PM seb_kuzminsky: you said in your email you just deleted yapps2-runtime from the linuxcnc-dev runtime dependencies list, did you also add python-yapps as a runtime dependency?
05:22 PM jthornton: no, it was installed while I was checking the depends for uspace
05:22 PM jthornton: one sec
05:23 PM jthornton: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/bVcTqMrH8j/
05:23 PM jthornton: my notes from this morning
05:23 PM linuxcnc-build: build #3150 of 1903.clang-wheezy-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1903.clang-wheezy-amd64/builds/3150 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:23 PM linuxcnc-build: build #5215 of 1301.rip-precise-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1301.rip-precise-rtai-i386/builds/5215 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:23 PM seb_kuzminsky: hmm
05:24 PM jthornton: the only thing missing is removing yapps2-runtime
05:25 PM linuxcnc-build: build #3149 of 1902.clang-wheezy-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1902.clang-wheezy-rtai-i386/builds/3149 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:25 PM linuxcnc-build: build #5997 of 1200.rip-lucid-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1200.rip-lucid-i386/builds/5997 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:25 PM jthornton: be back in a few minutes
05:26 PM linuxcnc-build: build #1014 of 1630.rip-stretch-rtpreempt-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1630.rip-stretch-rtpreempt-amd64/builds/1014 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:28 PM linuxcnc-build: build #5997 of 1202.rip-lucid-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1202.rip-lucid-amd64/builds/5997 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:29 PM linuxcnc-build: build #4158 of 1400.rip-wheezy-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1400.rip-wheezy-i386/builds/4158 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:32 PM linuxcnc-build: build #2627 of 1530.rip-jessie-rtpreempt-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1530.rip-jessie-rtpreempt-amd64/builds/2627 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:32 PM linuxcnc-build: build #6010 of 1201.rip-lucid-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1201.rip-lucid-rtai-i386/builds/6010 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:34 PM linuxcnc-build: build #4159 of 1403.rip-wheezy-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1403.rip-wheezy-amd64/builds/4159 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:36 PM andypugh: seb_kuzminsky: Sorry to bother you. The debian/configure file from SebKuzminsky/rtai seems to have been added to .gitignore in my repo. I think that is very much an error?
05:37 PM linuxcnc-build: build #4361 of 1404.rip-wheezy-rtpreempt-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1404.rip-wheezy-rtpreempt-amd64/builds/4361 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:39 PM andypugh: Ah, on examination, perhaps just for being a “configure” and not being explicitly added?
05:41 PM seb_kuzminsky: hi andypugh
05:41 PM andypugh: Hi
05:41 PM seb_kuzminsky: err, hold on a sec whil i swap rtai stuff in from tape...
05:42 PM andypugh: Pretty sure that just add -f ing that file has done the trick.
05:42 PM seb_kuzminsky: my rtai repo does not ignore debian/configure
05:42 PM seb_kuzminsky: it ignores debian/control, as it should
05:43 PM seb_kuzminsky: i'm on the vulcano-debs branch btw
05:43 PM andypugh: Yes, the debian/,gitignore has just control and rules, as they come from control.in and rules.in
05:44 PM andypugh: RTAI/.gitignore contains configure but not debian/configure/
05:44 PM andypugh: So I am a bit puzzled, but it seems to be fixed:
05:44 PM andypugh: -rw-r--r-- 1 andypugh andypugh 208404 Jul 10 23:36 rtai-modules-4.14.132_5.2.2-linuxcnc_amd64.deb
05:44 PM linuxcnc-build: build #2625 of 1510.rip-jessie-rtpreempt-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1510.rip-jessie-rtpreempt-i386/builds/2625 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:45 PM seb_kuzminsky: what does `git log -p debian/.gitignore` say?
05:46 PM linuxcnc-build: build #5997 of 1300.rip-precise-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1300.rip-precise-i386/builds/5997 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:47 PM andypugh: I think it was a local problem.
05:50 PM andypugh: git log -p debian/.gitignore says that it was a new file, containing only control and rules.
05:50 PM linuxcnc-build: build #6000 of 1306.rip-precise-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1306.rip-precise-amd64/builds/6000 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:50 PM linuxcnc-build: build #3829 of 1401.rip-wheezy-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1401.rip-wheezy-rtai-i386/builds/3829 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:51 PM linuxcnc-build: build #1015 of 1610.rip-stretch-rtpreempt-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1610.rip-stretch-rtpreempt-i386/builds/1015 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:53 PM linuxcnc-build: build #2625 of 1500.rip-jessie-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1500.rip-jessie-i386/builds/2625 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:53 PM seb_kuzminsky: andypugh: ok, i won't worry about it
05:54 PM seb_kuzminsky: how's memfrob's rtai working for you? did you try the "while true; do runtests; done" test?
05:55 PM linuxcnc-build: build #2627 of 1520.rip-jessie-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1520.rip-jessie-amd64/builds/2627 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:55 PM linuxcnc-build: build #6018 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/6018 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:56 PM seb_kuzminsky: that should be the last of the failures from that bug, this next round of builds should pass i think
05:57 PM jthornton: yippie
05:57 PM seb_kuzminsky: it's my favorite kind of branch: 13 files changed, 311 insertions(+), 1783 deletions(-)
05:57 PM memfrob: andypugh, no compiling errors?
05:58 PM memfrob: the rtai_config thing is gone?
05:58 PM linuxcnc-build: build #2628 of 1520.rip-jessie-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1520.rip-jessie-amd64/builds/2628 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:58 PM linuxcnc-build: build #6001 of 1306.rip-precise-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1306.rip-precise-amd64/builds/6001 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:58 PM linuxcnc-build: build #5998 of 1300.rip-precise-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1300.rip-precise-i386/builds/5998 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:58 PM seb_kuzminsky: hmm, that's not what i expected
05:58 PM linuxcnc-build: build #5216 of 1301.rip-precise-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1301.rip-precise-rtai-i386/builds/5216 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:58 PM linuxcnc-build: build #6011 of 1201.rip-lucid-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1201.rip-lucid-rtai-i386/builds/6011 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:59 PM memfrob: all this yapps stuff btw, you have to install yapps2 and yapps2-runtime
05:59 PM linuxcnc-build: build #1016 of 1610.rip-stretch-rtpreempt-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1610.rip-stretch-rtpreempt-i386/builds/1016 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:59 PM linuxcnc-build: build #5998 of 1200.rip-lucid-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1200.rip-lucid-i386/builds/5998 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
05:59 PM memfrob: python3-yapps is also installed, and yapps-runtime conflicts with python-yapps which is fine, you don't need python-yapps
05:59 PM memfrob: i went through that yapps crap a few weeks ago
06:00 PM jthornton: in buster yapps2-runtime is not there...
06:00 PM memfrob: oh!
06:01 PM memfrob: buster is like the odd one out with a few things i guess
06:01 PM memfrob: stretch and sid are great
06:01 PM linuxcnc-build: build #2626 of 1500.rip-jessie-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1500.rip-jessie-i386/builds/2626 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:01 PM jthornton: yea, there are 3 things that buster dropped
06:01 PM memfrob: there's some glade thing too missing from buster i think as well
06:01 PM linuxcnc-build: build #3830 of 1401.rip-wheezy-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1401.rip-wheezy-rtai-i386/builds/3830 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:02 PM linuxcnc-build: build #3150 of 1902.clang-wheezy-rtai-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1902.clang-wheezy-rtai-i386/builds/3150 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:02 PM linuxcnc-build: build #1015 of 1630.rip-stretch-rtpreempt-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1630.rip-stretch-rtpreempt-amd64/builds/1015 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:02 PM jthornton: python-gtksourceview2 and python-vte
06:02 PM linuxcnc-build: build #3151 of 1903.clang-wheezy-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1903.clang-wheezy-amd64/builds/3151 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:02 PM memfrob: ah
06:02 PM linuxcnc-build: build #4159 of 1400.rip-wheezy-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1400.rip-wheezy-i386/builds/4159 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:03 PM linuxcnc-build: build #2626 of 1510.rip-jessie-rtpreempt-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1510.rip-jessie-rtpreempt-i386/builds/2626 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:03 PM memfrob: well now i get the commotion!
06:03 PM jthornton: I wish we had another channel for buildbot...
06:03 PM linuxcnc-build: build #4362 of 1404.rip-wheezy-rtpreempt-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1404.rip-wheezy-rtpreempt-amd64/builds/4362 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:03 PM memfrob: at least it's all seb's fault :P
06:03 PM linuxcnc-build: build #4160 of 1403.rip-wheezy-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1403.rip-wheezy-amd64/builds/4160 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:03 PM jthornton: the only fallout victim is gscreen
06:03 PM linuxcnc-build: build #5998 of 1202.rip-lucid-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1202.rip-lucid-amd64/builds/5998 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:03 PM linuxcnc-build: build #2628 of 1530.rip-jessie-rtpreempt-amd64 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1530.rip-jessie-rtpreempt-amd64/builds/2628 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:03 PM seb_kuzminsky: oh, it's a typo :-(
06:03 PM seb_kuzminsky: i just pushed a fix(?)
06:03 PM seb_kuzminsky: back in a few hours
06:04 PM linuxcnc-build: build #3676 of 1402.rip-wheezy-rtpreempt-i386 is complete: Failure [4failed configuring] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/1402.rip-wheezy-rtpreempt-i386/builds/3676 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:04 PM linuxcnc-build: build #6019 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/6019 blamelist: Sebastian Kuzminsky <seb@highlab.com>
06:04 PM jthornton: that used to really worry me when I pushed something and it failed
06:08 PM memfrob: andypugh, what's the problem with .gitignore and configure?
06:09 PM memfrob: whatever it is, i rather be battling that than anything else
06:14 PM jthornton: yep slam dunking a .gitignore is fun
06:18 PM memfrob: Exactly!
06:32 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
06:37 PM andypugh: memfrob: Well, it turns out that I need a new pull request as a critical file was missing last time…
06:41 PM memfrob: yes rtai_config.h was broken, fixed now
06:42 PM memfrob: you're best off starting off with a new fork to make sure you're basing off the latest HEAD -- if there's any issue I'll make new commits on top of that, no more rebasing
06:43 PM memfrob: i.e. delete the forks from before as their history is messed up
06:46 PM andypugh: memfrob: The problem was actually with my pull request.
06:46 PM memfrob: oh it was yours?
06:46 PM andypugh: Different problem
06:46 PM memfrob: oh, sorry!
06:47 PM andypugh: See my pull request, and try not to laugh at me.
06:47 PM memfrob: ok, i may need to change "configure" in .gitignore to ./configure
06:48 PM memfrob: .gitignore is ignored all files named "configure" regardless of path
06:49 PM memfrob: *is ignoring
06:57 PM memfrob: so gitignore doesn't accept ./configure /configure or ${PWD}/configure
07:00 PM memfrob: ah /configure does work
07:04 PM memfrob: Merged successfully
07:04 PM memfrob: https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI/blob/master/debian/configure
07:04 PM memfrob: https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI/blob/no-calibration/debian/configure
07:05 PM memfrob: your pull request was perfect, I just needed to make a change to .gitignore before pulling
07:24 PM memfrob: all done!
07:25 PM memfrob: andypugh, I highly suggest re-forking my tree from scratch on your profile, history is a big mess rn
07:26 PM memfrob: (on your end)
07:26 PM andypugh: It is, yes.
07:27 PM andypugh: I am likely to just trash that repo now yours is working. Though I will keep it for a little while as a home for the experimental debs.
07:28 PM andypugh: (I will upload new debs there tomorrow, and possibly a linuxCNC deb (out of place, I know) Tonight was largely spent re-lining the brakes on a 1916 fire engine :-)
07:28 PM memfrob: oh that must have been fun!
07:28 PM memfrob: yes my repo has the commits properly aligned with your name as the author, no more duos
07:29 PM memfrob: "authored by andypugh, committed by NTULINUX" now it's all you.
07:34 PM memfrob: do you enjoy working on vehicles?
07:35 PM andypugh: If they are old enough, yes.
07:35 PM andypugh: That’s what got me in to CNC
07:36 PM andypugh: This was a fun project: http://bodgesoc.blogspot.com/2014/04/1921-ner-car.html
07:37 PM memfrob: anything 60s or 70s?
07:37 PM andypugh: No, too new for me :-)
07:38 PM andypugh: Though I have restored a Triumph Spitfire and a Wolsely Hornet (Mini with a boot), one belonging to each sister.
07:38 PM memfrob: I like Triumph!
07:38 PM andypugh: The Spitfire is a very cute car
07:39 PM memfrob: I like their motorcycles haha.
07:39 PM andypugh: I like the Daytona 675. Everything else, not so much.
07:40 PM memfrob: Your email signature is about motorcycles isn't it? Do you ride?
07:40 PM memfrob: or previously?
07:41 PM andypugh: I ride motorcycles every day that I don’t cycle to work...
07:41 PM andypugh: I have never owned a car.
07:42 PM andypugh: But then I don’t need to own one, I work for a car company and can just borrow them.
07:44 PM memfrob: Have you ever gotten hit?
07:44 PM memfrob: I'd ride everyday too but the drivers in the U.S. are so bad, it may have to wait until I'm in another country.
07:45 PM andypugh: On the bike? Only once. And that was because, on a whim, I decided to stop for a red light that I could have gone through, at the same time as the car behind decided to blow through… I claimed the insurance but privately accept some of the blame.
07:47 PM memfrob: Only once, in all those years? Wow, the U.K. driving test must be pretty serious.
07:48 PM andypugh: Normally I am going too fast for them to hit me :-)
07:50 PM andypugh: (i have been riding the same Yamaha R1 for 15 years and 120,000 miles)
07:51 PM memfrob: The S1000RR is my dream bike, tied with the CBR1000RR Repsol (the ones from a few years ago, orange one) but I'll be starting off with the KTM RC390
07:52 PM andypugh: I like what the S1000RR csn do, but they look cheap to me.
07:53 PM andypugh: (Nasty fairing fasteners, that sort of thing)
07:53 PM andypugh: And few things corrode as fast as the BMW 1100GS
07:54 PM memfrob: Thoughts on the CBR?
07:54 PM andypugh: So I am a bit off of BMW. Whereas my Yamaha, under the dirt (I rarely wash it) is actually still very good.
07:57 PM memfrob: I like Aprilia too but they're too expensive
07:57 PM memfrob: (same as Ducati)
07:58 PM andypugh: I have not ridden or looked carefully at the CBR1000RR. I rode an old CBR1000F back in the 90s and it was horrible, but that’s no comparison.
07:58 PM andypugh: The Fireblade, of course, is a legend.
08:04 PM memfrob: Kawasaki is undeniably crap, yes?
08:05 PM memfrob: I've heard nothing but electronic issues on their Ninjas
08:11 PM andypugh: They look nice. The one I had was terrible, but it was a rather old, highly-tuned 4-stroke learner-bike made in 1982, so hardly a thing to base an opinion of a current bike on.
08:12 PM andypugh: But, you should get an R1. I have had two, and have kept one of them for 15 years (and bought it new)
08:12 PM memfrob: Speaking of appearances, what was Suzuki thinking with their Hayabusa?
08:13 PM andypugh: “If it is the fastest thing ever, it will sell regardless”
08:13 PM memfrob: Hahaha!!!
08:15 PM memfrob: Well I'm signing off now, I'm officially addicted to Detroit: Become Human -- Take care andypugh and hopefully there's no more issues with Debian and the RTAI tree
08:16 PM andypugh: The master build looks to have gone cleanly and well
08:17 PM andypugh: I will build LinuxCNC on top tomorrow