#linuxcnc-devel | Logs for 2015-11-09

[06:58:36] <skunkworks> zlog
[07:16:30] <skunkworks> Could someone take a stab that this? Rob noticed an issue last night while looking at the arc issue. If you run this program http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/tap-discrimant-error-orig.ngc with sim axis. Then Load any other program and the x axis motions are scaled down by .5.
[07:16:36] <skunkworks> rob said.
[07:16:41] <skunkworks> That said, I did encounter a strange bug that seems to exist in 2.7 already. I ran the attached file on my sim config (with a sim spindle), then loaded an ran another file (can be anything). After the tap file runs, motions are scaled down by 1/2 in the X axis, but not in other axes. I don't think the issue is in the TP or canon, either. With debug mode on, the canon commands leave with the correct X axis command, and ente
[07:18:57] <skunkworks_> http://imgur.com/OMRj7Jj
[07:20:20] <skunkworks> This is what rob said about the issue last night.
[07:20:22] <skunkworks> So it turns out I fixed that issue a while ago, but that branch never got merged into 2.7 (I'm not sure why). I rebased onto 2.7 (latest) and propagated the fix to another quadratic function solver for good measure. The change should be invisible otherwise, and I didn't see any violations / tolerance errors in the batch tests I ran
[07:20:44] <skunkworks> (I don't know where that branch is yet)
[07:25:24] <skunkworks> ah - here it is
[07:25:25] <skunkworks> https://github.com/robEllenberg/linuxcnc-mirror/tree/hotfix/helical-arc-arc-2.7-rebase
[08:04:08] <jepler> running with branch rob/hotfix/helical-arc-arc-2.7-rebase my reduced gcode works
[08:04:24] <jepler> the one from the forum yesterday
[08:04:34] <skunkworks> Push it! ;)
[08:07:50] <jepler> unfortunately his top commit in that branch is not signed-off-by
[08:08:35] <skunkworks> oops
[08:09:40] <skunkworks> sent him an email
[08:10:13] <jepler> it looks like the last commit is not necessary to fix this particular bug, so I may push all but one commit anyway. investigating further...
[08:11:19] <jepler> 5ae3ca0 tp: overhaul spiral fit computation to use more numerically stable quadratic formula
[08:11:35] <jepler> this is the only commit necessary to fix the bug I'm hitting in my reduced test case
[08:14:01] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 bba8d25 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/tp/tp.c tp: fix for arc-arc coplanar check * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=bba8d25
[08:14:02] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 5ae3ca0 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/tp/blendmath.c 10src/emc/tp/blendmath.h 10src/emc/tp/tc.c tp: overhaul spiral fit computation to use more numerically stable quadratic formula * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=5ae3ca0
[08:14:02] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Robert W. Ellenberg 052.7 08201a7 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/tp/blendmath.c 10src/emc/tp/blendmath.h tp: purge old circle length function * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=08201a7
[08:16:22] <jepler> skunkworks: so I pushed all but the last commit from that branch, the only reason I didn't take the last one was lack of SOB
[08:16:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master ec19e1e 06linuxcnc 10debian/changelog 10scripts/linuxcnc.in Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/2.7' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ec19e1e
[08:16:33] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 85e8bc3 06linuxcnc 10scripts/linuxcnc.in 10src/Makefile Merge branch 'jepler/for-master/drop-lucid' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=85e8bc3
[08:34:59] <skunkworks> Thanks jepler
[08:38:11] <cradek> 5ae3ca0 makes me swoon
[08:41:25] <skunkworks> heh
[08:41:35] <skunkworks> He is still my man crush..
[08:41:55] <cradek> yeah fortunately I've got room for more than one of those
[08:42:25] <skunkworks> well - I could say you are number 2.. But that just sounds bad..
[08:42:38] <seb_kuzminsky> i thought we merged the helical-arc branch
[08:43:43] <seb_kuzminsky> of course git can't tell us :-(
[08:44:23] <seb_kuzminsky> http://stevelosh.com/blog/2013/04/git-koans/#only-the-gods
[08:48:48] <skunkworks_> Did you guys see the problem above with odd scaling?
[08:49:06] <cradek> yes, it's horrifying
[08:49:50] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: i pushed a commit or two to your drop-lucid branch, but it doesnt look like it made it into your merge
[08:53:09] <skunkworks> cradek: if it is any consolation - progams with arcs don't run. :)
[08:54:25] <cradek> I don't even see [TRAJ]CYCLE_TIME being read anywhere
[08:54:56] <cradek> [DISPLAY]CYCLE_TIME, [TASK]CYCLE_TIME, [EMCIO]CYCLE_TIME are all read
[09:03:31] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: argh and oops
[09:04:42] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Jeff Epler 05master 447847f 06linuxcnc Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/jepler/for-master/drop-lucid' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=447847f
[09:43:28] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks
[09:46:07] <cradek> yay the forum
[09:46:10] <cradek> thanks so much, jepler
[09:46:53] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: on my vintage phone, there is no navbar on linuxcnc.org/new which makes the site pretty useless
[09:47:05] <cradek> of course I have no idea why or what to suggest
[09:47:05] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm
[09:47:21] <seb_kuzminsky> on my phone there's a manu icon in the top right, which opens up into the navbar items
[09:47:53] <seb_kuzminsky> what browser is on your phone?
[09:48:00] <cradek> hmm
[09:48:14] <cradek> I see a thing there (a faint grey line) but it doesn't seem to do anything
[09:48:34] <seb_kuzminsky> the faint gray line just under the Current Releases?
[09:49:02] <cradek> no, it's above the logo at the very top, 1cm wide at the top right
[09:49:37] <cradek> I don't know how to find out what browser this is
[09:49:57] <archivist> does it have a hamburger character http://deep.design/the-hamburger-menu/
[09:50:33] <cradek> it might be the top third of a hamburger
[09:51:09] <archivist> only recently I found out what that meant!
[09:51:47] <cradek> GET / HTTP/1.1" 302 210 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 2.3.3; en-us; DROID2 Build/4.5.1_57_DR2-31) AppleWebKit/533.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile Safari/533.1
[09:51:56] <cradek> this is what it sends
[09:53:59] <seb_kuzminsky> here's what mine looks like: http://i.imgur.com/xTpiguY.png
[09:54:22] <seb_kuzminsky> if i tap on the tasty hamburger it opens the navbar as a menu
[09:54:50] <cradek> yeah mine looks almost identical but the hamburger is incomplete and nonfunctional
[09:54:58] <seb_kuzminsky> lame
[09:55:21] <cradek> I have no idea how much it matters
[09:55:54] <cradek> although I use this phone every day (for a few other web sites, even) I doubt a lot of people try to use one this old for the web
[09:56:51] <skunkworks> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om3Q2_fI_a8
[09:56:56] <skunkworks> that is neat
[09:57:51] <cradek> wow your phone has so much mystery meat. the apparent navigation options are: triangle, circle, square, hamburger, other hamburger, three dots
[09:58:09] <seb_kuzminsky> in css/main.css i see ther are a bunch of different handlings for the navbar depending on screen size
[09:59:04] <seb_kuzminsky> the three dots and the two hamburgers all mean the same thing, in different contexts
[09:59:15] <cradek> I think my screen is 480x854
[09:59:17] <cradek> fwiw
[09:59:30] <cradek> maybe there's a broken one in the css and I'm tickling it?
[10:00:21] <seb_kuzminsky> maybe
[10:00:51] <cradek> skunkworks: wow, that gcode
[10:01:05] <seb_kuzminsky> i wonder if you take out the last two sections of the css ("media screen and (max-width: number)"), and "jekyll serve", and look at it with your phone, what do you see?
[10:01:42] <cradek> I didn't find a suitable jekyll version in backports :-/
[10:01:46] <seb_kuzminsky> i'm too preoccupied with phones and hamburgers to look at atual crash-worthy bugs in linuxcnc :-/
[10:01:51] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: are you on wheezy?
[10:01:53] <cradek> yeah
[10:01:57] <seb_kuzminsky> ah
[10:02:10] <seb_kuzminsky> what happens when you try to build with wheezy's jekyll?
[10:02:28] <seb_kuzminsky> i guess it's not really a good test
[10:02:36] <cradek> "jekyll serve" creates a directory called serve with stuff in it
[10:02:41] <seb_kuzminsky> haha
[10:02:52] <seb_kuzminsky> try jekyll build, then serve _site/ with some other browser
[10:02:59] <seb_kuzminsky> err, webserver
[10:03:06] <cradek> I should try building the jekyll you use
[10:03:47] <seb_kuzminsky> its made of something called "ruby gems"
[10:03:57] <cradek> oh good grief
[10:03:59] <seb_kuzminsky> i suggest making a jessie vm instead
[10:04:36] <seb_kuzminsky> it would sure be convenient if you could push different branches to the wlo.git, and have them be served up someplace accessible
[10:04:53] <cradek> yeah, that would be sweet
[10:05:27] <skunkworks_> I wonder how he is generating the gcode - he seems to have kins working - from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4WyqzdDPHYA
[10:06:20] <cradek> kins for that machine is super easy
[10:06:45] <cradek> I think we even have a sim machine like that
[10:07:58] <cradek> it looks like the tool vector goes through both centers of rotation
[10:08:14] <cradek> I like it when people build the hardware that makes the math simple
[10:08:42] <skunkworks_> heh
[10:10:15] <skunkworks_> How would an axis get scaled.. that seems odd.
[10:10:25] <skunkworks_> obviously.. ;)
[10:13:20] <jepler> that imgur from seb_kuzminsky made me think the new site was live, since it said "linuxcnc.org" at the top.
[10:13:23] <jepler> soon right?
[10:13:29] <cradek> jepler: a minor nit about the forum: to me the login prompt looks like a mistake (css error?). I think I expect it to be to the right or left of the logo, or both the logo and login should be in a separate column, so the index/recent/search tabs are nearer the top
[10:13:55] <jepler> cradek: not to mention how there are two of it
[10:14:04] <cradek> I think it's the big empty white space to the right that makes it look like a mistake
[10:14:14] <cradek> oh heh, I didn't even notice that
[10:14:33] <jepler> the one that looks out of place is designed to go on a sidebar, but we took away the sidebar
[10:14:59] <jepler> the one that looks like it belongs doesn't tell you "wrong password dummy" when you fail to log in, it just takes you back to the same page not-logged-in
[10:15:10] <jepler> so I put back the out of place one and have failed so far to find out how to take away the other one
[10:18:35] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: building the jessie version looks really hopeless
[10:19:20] <jepler> you can just edit .md files on github and use its preview function
[10:19:28] <jepler> if your purpose is to make textual changes it'll be perfectly adequate
[10:20:14] <cradek> interesting
[10:20:36] <cradek> bet that's not enough for figuring this css? thing out though
[10:21:02] <cradek> but it's sure not an emergency, maybe I'll work on it some day
[10:24:23] <jepler> cradek: yes it's useless for that
[10:45:36] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: http://wlo-test.highlab.com/
[10:47:51] <cradek> seb_kuzminsky: that gives a full expanded navbar in 3 rows, and it works, no hamburger
[10:49:05] <cradek> perfectly usable
[10:49:10] <cradek> thanks!
[10:52:06] <Roguish> good morning gentlemen. a small comment on the new forums. I don't seem to find a link back to the main linuxcnc web site. even the underlying link on the penquin leads back to the forum.
[10:52:37] <mozmck> no escape...
[10:52:52] <Roguish> otherwise, it all looks VERY GOOD.
[10:54:15] <mozmck> seb_kuzminsky: why does the source link point to jepler's mirror on github?
[11:09:06] <seb_kuzminsky> mozmck: because jepler added it to point there in 619ed8f4e2
[11:09:26] <seb_kuzminsky> not sure why he picked the github over glo
[11:09:27] <mozmck> oh, ok - just curious.
[11:21:26] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek: i'm bummed the hamburger doesnt work on your phone, because with the full navbar the website looks kind of cluttered on my phone
[11:28:22] <cradek> yeah
[11:28:32] <cradek> it looks stupid but it's usable
[11:28:58] <cradek> and it would suck to go down the rabbit hole of trying to guess which to serve
[11:29:18] <cradek> fwiw, hamburgers on other sites work
[11:29:49] <archivist> hamburger seems old school and deprecated according to that site I linked
[11:30:28] <cradek> well I suspect it's terrible design, but it's still utterly common
[11:30:54] <cradek> if only we could individually declare any terrible design deprecated
[11:32:01] <archivist> the crowd these days seem to regard "responsive" as the way to go
[11:32:05] <jepler> I don't know if having our website look right on android 2.x is important
[11:32:38] <archivist> run some stats
[11:33:02] <cradek> jepler: how about being at all usable? I agree with you that it might not be important, but I want to be clear it's usability, not simply appearance
[11:33:12] <jepler> 10 of 110021 entries in access.log.0 match "Android 2."
[11:33:45] <cradek> also, we don't know what versions the problem affects
[11:34:25] <cradek> would be nice to test other integers between 2 and whatever is modern
[11:35:01] <jepler> 6.
[11:35:28] <skunkworks_> my phone seems to work ok.
[11:35:41] <skunkworks_> lollipop
[11:35:45] <jepler> cradek: you don't use any sort of ad blocking technology on that phone, right?
[11:35:52] <cradek> nope
[11:35:59] <cradek> it's as it came
[11:36:17] <cradek> what integer is lollipop?
[11:36:27] <jepler> 5.1.
[11:36:30] <jepler> 5.0 ?
[11:37:00] <skunkworks_> 5.0 herwe
[11:37:02] <skunkworks_> here
[11:37:13] <cradek> ok, would be nice to test 3,4 too then
[11:37:22] <jepler> 3 essentially doesn't exist
[11:38:00] <jepler> 2.x: 10 hits. 3.x: 0 hits 4.x: 1693 hits 5.x: 1103 hits 6.x: 228 hits
[11:38:17] <jepler> 2.x: 4 unique hosts. 4.x: 154 unique hosts. 5.x: 108 unique hosts. 6.x: 17 unique hosts
[11:38:32] <cradek> cool, so 4 is an important one to try
[11:39:12] <cradek> thanks for sciencing it
[11:40:48] <jepler> trying to test via android simulator
[11:41:05] <jepler> JT-Shop: did you see Roguish remarks about no link to the main website? perhaps you can figure out how to add one for me?
[11:41:57] <jepler> hm except clicking doesn't seem to work. grumble.
[11:45:12] <jepler> hamburger works on android 4.1 via emulator
[11:45:23] <jepler> emulated screen size is 480x800
[11:45:29] <cradek> good
[11:45:35] <cradek> maybe don't worry about it then
[12:00:05] <seb_kuzminsky> w3.org recommends using "feature detection" to see what to send to clients: https://www.w3.org/community/webed/wiki/Optimizing_content_for_different_browsers:_the_RIGHT_way
[12:01:15] <ssi> responsive design is very hard btw :)
[12:39:37] <skunkworks_> cradek: Uh - could it be G7,8? :)
[12:55:20] <skunkworks_> scaled by half should have been a lightbulb moment
[13:27:54] <cradek> oh jeez, yeah probably so
[13:28:01] <cradek> that's pretty silly
[13:28:19] <cradek> we should probably have different "personalities" but we don't
[13:31:48] <cradek> why would you bother fixing slic3r's gcode output with regular expressions, when you could fix slic3r instead? it's on github.
[13:37:59] * JT-Shop reads back
[13:47:53] <cradek> ... on the other hand, if we had personalities, it seems like we could have one to accept whatever slic3r spits out
[13:48:00] <cradek> maybe you could even do it with remap
[13:48:10] * cradek waves his arms
[13:50:02] * JT-Shop waves back
[13:54:00] <jepler> I never realized how active the forum was before I added it to my RSS feeds this weekend
[14:03:05] <mozmck> More active than the mailing list any more.
[14:29:46] <c_morley> jepler: resetting password doesn't work for me on forum
[14:31:27] <jepler> c_morley: you mean the 'lost password' process?
[14:31:43] <c_morley> yes
[14:32:10] <jepler> did you get as far as "New User Password created and sent to your email address" ?
[14:32:14] <c_morley> I never get an email
[14:32:25] <c_morley> yes just no email
[14:32:43] <c_morley> it does in fact change the password though..
[14:33:01] <cradek> NOTE: This email was automatically generated from LinuxCNC Forum
[14:33:04] <cradek> (http://forum.linuxcnc.org).
[14:33:07] <cradek> wfm
[14:33:32] <jepler> c_morley: I will look in the outgoing e-mail logs. tell me what e-mail address it is sending to, in private if you prefer
[14:34:00] <jepler> Nov 9 15:05:56 forum postfix/smtp[32587]: 0740942846: to=<rng3@verizon.net>, relay=relay.verizon.net[]:25, delay=2175, delays=2175/0.02/0.14/0, dsn=4.0.0, status=deferred (host relay.verizon.net[] refused to talk to me: 571 Email from is currently blocked by Verizon Online's anti-spam system. The email sender or Email Service Provider may visit http://www.ve
[14:34:06] <jepler> rizon.net/whitelist and request removal of the block. 151109)
[14:34:27] <c_morley> chrisinnanaimo
[14:34:44] <jepler> Nov 9 15:03:03 forum postfix/smtp[32474]: 27EAB4284A: to=<chrisinnanaimo@hotmail.com>, relay=mx4.hotmail.com[]:25, delay=0.36, delays=0.03/0/0.28/0.05, dsn=5.0.0, status=bounced (host mx4.hotmail.com[] said: 550 SC-001 (SNT004-MC4F11) Unfortunately, messages from weren't sent. Please contact your Internet service provider since part of their network is on our
[14:34:50] <jepler> block list. You can also refer your provider to http://mail.live.com/mail/troubleshooting.aspx#errors. (in reply to MAIL FROM command))
[14:35:08] <jepler> the blocking is happening at your end.
[14:35:38] <c_morley> hmm ok thanks...not sure why or what I can do
[14:35:59] <cradek> dnsbl.info shows all green for
[14:36:29] <cradek> complain to your email host, I guess?
[14:36:57] <jepler> well it's not likely to do much good to complain to verizon or microsoft about how they deem it appropriate to configure their services
[14:36:58] <c_morley> strange it conicides with forum update
[14:37:16] <jepler> not really, the forum is now on a different host
[14:37:23] <cradek> SC-001 says "Mail rejected by Outlook.com for policy reasons"
[14:38:49] <c_morley> hmm well that is inconvenient :)
[14:39:02] <jepler> c_morley: I would be happy to reset your password to a known value
[14:39:15] <c_morley> perfect!
[14:40:52] <cradek> sender-id=pass spf=none
[14:40:57] <cradek> I see nothing suspicious about this email
[14:41:20] <cradek> X-Mailer: PHPMailer 5.2.9 (https://github.com/PHPMailer/PHPMailer/)
[14:41:24] <cradek> X-PHP-Originating-Script: 33:CBPHPMailer.php
[14:41:33] <cradek> it might not hurt to get rid of these :-/
[14:42:09] <c_morley> I have access thank you
[14:42:09] <cradek> it's hard to guess why hotmail/live.com/outlook (are these all the same now??) are refusing it
[14:43:50] <jepler> cradek: yes they are the same now
[14:47:36] <cradek> jepler: an spf record might not hurt
[14:47:46] <cradek> > IPs not previously used to send email typically don't have any reputation built up in our systems. As a result, emails from new IPs are more likely to experience deliverability issues.
[14:48:03] <cradek> this is stupid but might mean it might get better
[14:48:28] <cradek> although if they block mail from new IPs by default, I don't see how their "reputation" can ever improve
[14:49:23] <cradek> Note: don't forget to update your Junk Email Reporting Program (JMRP) account with the new IPs. To update or set up a JMRP account, click here. [points to a msn.com address with busted https]
[14:50:14] <jepler> cradek: are you familiar enough with SPF to figure out what the SPF record should say? If so, drop a note to SWP asking him to update the dns again
[14:50:37] <cradek> wow, nice PTR record
[14:51:27] <cradek> header.from=jepler+linuxcncforum@unpythonic.net; smtp.mfrom=www-data@forum.linuxcnc.org
[14:51:48] <cradek> this might not be the best From:
[14:51:49] <jepler> do you think I should make those match?
[14:51:57] <cradek> I don't know
[14:52:05] <jepler> .. which PTR record?
[14:52:12] <cradek> = forum.linuxcnc.org.
[14:52:27] <cradek> it's really nice that you can set that
[14:52:30] <jepler> yes
[14:52:30] <jepler> 1.0.0.b.d. 1800 IN PTR forum.linuxcnc.org.
[14:52:33] <jepler> and this one
[14:52:42] <cradek> sweet
[14:53:25] <cradek> seems like it couldn't hurt to change From: to ...@flo
[14:54:56] <cradek> > We've partnered with the leading email service providers, marketing clouds, and digital agencies to help their clients exceed email program goals, achieve unparalleled deliverability, protect their brand
[14:55:11] <cradek> looks like you can just pay them to let your emails through
[14:55:39] <jepler> like that'll happen
[14:56:37] <jepler> OK, now using <noreply@forum.linuxcnc.org>
[14:56:45] <jepler> X-Mailer: PHPMailer 5.2.9
[14:56:50] <jepler> you know, I bet this is a big fat spam indicator
[14:57:09] <cradek> oh totally. also you could nuke X-PHP-Originating-Script:
[14:57:40] <cradek> otherwise it looks nice
[14:58:37] <jepler> I wonder how to do that
[15:03:10] <jepler> well I had to hand-edit a php file so we may lose it in an update
[15:06:59] <cradek> weird, now I get sender-id=none
[15:07:04] <cradek> but it looks clean
[15:07:07] <cradek> might help, who knows
[15:07:21] <cradek> X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5
[16:44:06] <jepler> JT-Shop: are you making changes to the forum's "style"? Seems like the poster information moved from the left of the post to below it
[16:44:22] <jepler> I am not sure it's an improvement, as I was having trouble telling whether the information applied to the post above or below it
[16:45:08] <cradek> hm yeah, there's at least some whitespace needed
[16:52:19] <jepler> if this is about maximizing the amount of text that goes on a line (Todd's preference), I think that's not an important goal either
[16:52:45] <jepler> many years ago I did think "as wide as possible" was a good goal but nowadays I think otherwise
[17:12:10] <seb_kuzminsky> an update on wlo: there's now http://wlo-test.highlab.com/, which has local deployments of all non-master branches pushed to github
[17:12:22] <seb_kuzminsky> the master branch gets deployed to http://linuxcnc.org/new/ like before
[17:12:52] <seb_kuzminsky> this uses the github webhook system, which is better than the lame once-per-minute polling i was doing before
[17:13:14] <seb_kuzminsky> so now we can test things without deploying them to wlo (like cradek's hamburger problem)
[17:14:59] <cradek> wow
[17:26:46] <JT-Shop> jepler, I was trying to move something else but got distracted for a bit before I changed it back
[17:40:26] <jepler> JT-Shop: ok thanks!
[17:40:43] <jepler> ... cradek's hamburger problem ...
[17:42:58] <jepler> can someone who uses gmail and has a forum account try the "forgot your username" feature and see if you get the message in your inbox? (don't use "lost password" because it resets your password immediately; if that message goes missing you won't be able to sign in to the forum until an admin intervenes)
[17:43:34] <cradek> (jeez that's stupid)
[17:44:11] <jepler> (not arguing the point)
[17:45:58] <jepler> (.. I have a gmail account but I don't trust my own testing because I clicked "not spam" a few times for "lost username" e-mails when I was testing the new forum at its temporary address, so maybe google learned something *about me* that it wouldn't apply to generic users on the internet)
[17:46:49] <jepler> uh oh "An abrupt End to Debian Live" https://lists.debian.org/debian-live/2015/11/msg00024.html
[17:48:26] <jepler> the last couple of years I really feel like free software is eating itself
[17:48:47] * JT-Shop waits for an email
[17:49:37] <jepler> Nov 9 18:24:25 forum postfix/smtp[3734]: 89A5542879: to=<linuxcnc.forum@gmail.com>, relay=gmail-smtp-in.l.google.com[]:25, delay=31, delays=0.02/0.01/30/0.59, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 2.0.0 OK 1447111465 x8si539482pbt.238 - gsmtp)
[17:49:44] <jepler> the message was accepted by google
[17:50:33] <JT-Shop> yep got the email
[17:51:36] <jepler> OK
[17:51:38] <JT-Shop> logged in with new passwork but don't see a way to reset it to something I might remember
[17:51:58] <JT-Shop> nm
[17:52:38] <jepler> profile > edit profile > contact info
[17:52:55] <JT-Shop> yea, too many things going on my desk lol
[17:53:06] <JT-Shop> too many monitors to look at too
[18:07:47] <seb_kuzminsky> jepler: that debian live email makes me sad for Daniel
[18:14:22] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: yeah
[18:16:24] <jepler> OK, I made some visual changes to flo
[18:16:37] <jepler> now there's a link to wlo near the top ("home")
[18:16:48] <jepler> just one login, and at least it has a horizontal layout even if it doesn't quite blend in
[18:17:25] <jepler> afk
[18:43:39] <cradek> oh that's much better
[18:50:55] <andypugh> It occurs to me that in about 5 years i have never seen a forum avatar that I wouldn’t approve. Perhaps we could turn off the manual approval?
[18:51:31] <andypugh> (As folk are re-instating their pictures on the new forum it’s beginning to get a bit tedious)
[18:51:39] <cradek> I assume you can retrounapprove them?
[18:52:11] <cradek> can you change it? you're an admin and I think you should do what you think is best
[18:52:14] <andypugh> I think that would be possible yes. If, for example they had a Mach3 screenshot or something else hideous.
[18:52:36] <andypugh> Hmm, I wonder if I can change it?
[18:52:38] <cradek> an eagle with donald trump hair crying a single tear?
[18:54:04] <jepler> andypugh: I saw a setting for that somewhere
[18:54:10] <jepler> andypugh: do you want me to go looking again?
[18:54:48] <andypugh> Are the settings still under www.linuxcnc.org/administrator or is there a separate admin URL for the new forum?
[18:55:02] <jepler> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/administrator
[18:55:15] <jepler> anything you do that doesn't have forum in the URL is a different system altogether
[18:55:24] <andypugh> Yes, I just tried randomly guessign that that was it, and it was :-)
[18:55:38] <jepler> under community builder configuration, moderation, I turned "require upload image approval" off
[18:55:43] <jepler> let's see if that's it
[18:58:11] <jepler> I think so, my test user uploaded a profile image and didn't get the note about needing approval
[18:59:41] <andypugh> Ah, you mean under Components->Community Builder->Configuration, not under Community Builder -> Configuration….
[19:06:54] <cradek> yay! /new is getting steadily better
[20:00:23] <jepler> how long until it's good enough to replace wlo?
[20:00:37] <cradek> he said maybe tomorrow
[20:01:02] <andypugh> what does wlo actually stand for?
[20:01:07] <jepler> www.linuxcnc.org
[20:01:13] <jepler> flo is forum.linuxcnc.org
[20:01:20] <cradek> guess what glo is
[20:01:27] <jepler> of course wlo could just as well stand for wiki.linuxcnc.org so we have to be careful
[20:01:32] <cradek> ooh
[20:01:37] <andypugh> garibaldibiscuits.linuxcnc.org?
[20:02:23] <jepler> gastrointestinal.linuxcnc.org ?
[20:03:01] <jepler> whatchamacallit.linuxcnc.org
[20:03:11] <jepler> flibbertigibbet.linuxcnc.org
[20:03:28] <cradek> it's getting silly in here
[20:03:31] <jepler> sorry
[20:03:36] <andypugh> anyway, it’s waypastmybedtime.linuxcnc.org now. Goodnight chaps.
[20:03:40] <jepler> see you andypugh
[21:17:08] <skunksleep> Seem a bit zippyer than the old site
[21:25:57] <jepler> skunksleep: that would be a nice bonus
[21:27:06] <jepler> I sure didn't use the old forum enough to know
[21:45:06] <jepler> I compared a random page from the google cache to the page newly generated by flo, and it is indeed faster
[21:45:37] <jepler> .. but not by a whole lot. google cache: "time to create page: 0.154 seconds" flo: "time to create page: 0.139 seconds"
[21:45:46] <jepler> and that number is highly variable, so I wouldn't read to much into it
[21:46:55] <skunksleep> Well new posts on the old site took seconds here before. Now it is almost instantaneous
[21:47:27] <jepler> that's great
[21:48:40] <skunksleep> I like it! Great work!
[21:49:20] <jepler> a lot of people here and on the forum have been saying thanks. I have appreciated that.
[21:50:55] <skunksleep> I know how hard this was for you... You don't even like forums ;)
[21:52:41] <jepler> if you don't stop you'll have me really thinking I'm heroic
[21:53:38] <skunksleep> :)
[21:55:26] <seb_kuzminsky> https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/34/de/32/34de3270c6d495800dd3f12bc2d4f6fd.jpg
[21:57:25] <jepler> wow yesterday flo got ~160k hits
[21:57:34] <jepler> 105k so far today
[21:57:45] <seb_kuzminsky> it's all jeff's robot clicking reload over and over
[21:57:57] <jepler> that's lines of access.log so it includes images and suchlike
[21:58:07] <seb_kuzminsky> that's pretty amazing
[21:58:33] <seb_kuzminsky> does the forum software have any analytics?
[21:59:12] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: I don't think so
[21:59:18] <jepler> about 5.75% are requests over ipv6
[21:59:32] <seb_kuzminsky> that's a surprise to me
[21:59:38] <jepler> 1504 distinct IP addresses
[22:00:13] <jepler> huh so about 100 accesses per IP
[22:00:47] <jepler> most google search results for "joomla analyitcs" are about adding google analytics and I don't think there's any benefit to that
[22:00:56] <jepler> same if I spell "analytics" correctly
[22:01:39] <seb_kuzminsky> that's a dangerous word to typo on google, i bet
[22:01:55] <jepler> it's not my first time riding a rollercoaster
[22:02:56] <jepler> wlo is pronounced "willow" right?
[22:04:36] <jepler> oh and google is already busy indexing flo. 6800 hits yesterday and 4500 today.
[22:05:00] <seb_kuzminsky> http://amberwingardenglish10b.weebly.com/uploads/2/7/3/1/27315529/7381572.jpg
[22:05:02] <jepler> .. flo is already the 2nd hit for linuxcnc forum, right after wlo
[22:05:57] <jepler> more like https://dvdbash.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/buffy-alyson-hannigan-willow-dvdbash22.jpg tyvm
[22:07:04] <seb_kuzminsky> hmm, point taken
[22:07:19] <seb_kuzminsky> our old website is seriously crufty:
[22:07:22] <seb_kuzminsky> Support currently exists for version 2.4 and 2.6 Linux kernels with real time extensions applied by RT-Linux or RTAI patches
[22:22:26] <webchat-dude> the freenode webchat is functional, but probably not useful to folks who aren't used to irc already
[22:22:33] <seb_kuzminsky> i couldn't agree with you more, webchat-dude
[22:23:38] <seb_kuzminsky> i naively wish there was a quick, easy way for people to report bugs, without having to sign up for a forum or sourceforge, and without having to join a mailing list
[22:50:35] <skunksleep> Wow. I finally got an add stream playing on Android from mythtv. That was harder than expected. It involved vlc with an 'add helper' for it
[22:51:22] <skunksleep> And when I said add I meant asx.
[22:52:30] <skunksleep> It seems pretty smooth. Now I can catch up on recordings instead of sleeping