#linuxcnc-devel | Logs for 2015-09-06

[06:47:48] <jthornton> let me know when linuxcnc.org/docs/html points to the 2.7 docs and I'll update the linuxcnc.org/docs page
[09:18:27] <jepler> jthornton: I think I've fixed the docs links
[09:33:46] <jthornton> jepler, thanks, I'll update the documentation page here in a minute or three
[09:48:37] <jthornton> done
[14:40:38] <skunksleep> https://youtu.be/c25oOAmWKxw
[15:03:00] <cradek> yikes, blowing chips around with compressed air and no eye protection
[15:05:41] <cradek> jeez those downward rapids to incorrect offsets ...
[15:05:53] <cradek> but he got it right in only four tries, yay
[15:09:54] <skunksleep> :)
[15:11:12] <skunksleep> It has been a half a day - can we call 2.7.0 a success?
[15:12:00] <JT-Shop> works for me for some time now :)
[15:15:46] <skunksleep> 600 dollar motion controller plus a PLC for the tool changer. But I will give him the benefit of the doubt that he used the original drives..
[15:23:59] <skunksleep> http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,28730.0.html
[15:24:42] <skunksleep> He did use the original drives. Wow.. People think linuxcnc is hard
[15:27:52] <pcw_home> all that for poor TP and windows...
[15:37:43] <skunksleep> What are you going to do?... Well servos are going to gloss over the acceleration spikes.
[16:02:00] <skunksleep> Small world.. He asked in the mach thread http://linuxcnc.org/index.php/english/forum/30-cnc-machines/29600-mc-500v-minimaster-retrofit#62172
[16:07:05] ChanServ changed topic of #linuxcnc-devel to: http://linuxcnc.org | Latest release: 2.7.0 | (this channel is logged by the zlog robot)
[16:11:33] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks to whom ever updated the wlo front page, i spaced that (and the irc topics) last night
[19:59:25] <Tom_itx> ok, i was getting ready to debug my pendant spindle start/stop button and i noticed something
[20:01:43] <skunkworks> was i wrong about the apt-get update/upgrade?
[20:02:24] <Tom_itx> missed what you said about it
[20:03:06] <Tom_itx> anyway, i homed the machine and sent the axis to their respective G54 locations
[20:03:39] <Tom_itx> went to the MDI screen and entered S 200 M3 and the spindle comes on as expected
[20:04:03] <Tom_itx> as soon as i hit the Manual Control tab in axis the spindle stops
[20:04:24] <Tom_itx> and returning to the MDI tab it starts again
[20:04:41] <Tom_itx> never noticed this behavior before
[20:05:21] <Tom_itx> but i've made alot of changes to the mill as well. this was not using the pendant at all but rather all axis screen
[20:08:57] <Tom_itx> the tabs in axis seem to behave independent of each other now
[20:10:43] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure if this is normal behavior or not since i have just added reverse to the spindle during all these updates / upgrades
[20:11:07] <Tom_itx> seems a bit odd
[20:14:27] <Tom_itx> checking the signals on the pendant spindle button, it seems to work along with the 'Manual Control' tab in axis but is ignored when in the 'MDI' tab which is how it behaved before
[20:17:48] <skunkworks> I noticed that too the other day... you can run a program in mdi tab. when you try to use the hotkeys (like FO) and your focus is on the mdi control - you just type numbers
[20:18:45] <Tom_itx> when in the manual control tab, i now see a - and + button which seems to increment the spindle speed by 100
[20:18:53] <Tom_itx> i never noticed those buttons before
[20:19:23] <Tom_itx> that also works independent of the MDI tab input
[20:20:24] <Tom_itx> i expect new features in 2.7 but also have added new features to the mill so i'm not sure if this is a bug or expected behavior
[20:21:09] <Tom_itx> at first i noticed something odd on the pendant but the signals from it are doing what is expected
[20:22:34] <Tom_itx> i mentioned this to seb a while back and i'm just getting back to testing it a bit
[20:46:38] <jepler> zlog_: url
[20:51:41] <jepler> Tom_itx: I don't think there was any deliberate change to how a running spindle is handled when changing from mdi to manual between 2.6 and 2.7, based on reviewing commits between 2.6 and 2.7 in the src/emc directory that mention "spindle" in the commit message
[20:52:12] <Tom_itx> i never ran 2.6 so i can't comment on it
[20:52:22] <jepler> oh, that's right, you came from 2.5.
[20:52:23] <Tom_itx> i moved from 2.5 to 2.6 straight to 2.7
[20:52:39] <Tom_itx> so i could have missed out on something along the way
[20:52:49] <Tom_itx> that's why i'm hesitant to call this a bug
[20:53:04] <Tom_itx> it just seems odd behavior
[20:53:33] <Tom_itx> either screen should honor what state the other was in
[20:53:35] <Tom_itx> imo
[20:54:50] <jepler> my first interest is more in knowing whether it was changed unintentionally
[20:55:03] <jepler> unfortunately I'm travelling without my development laptop so I can't easily check right now
[20:55:40] <jepler> someone with a development setup could easily check one of the sim configs in 2.5, 2.6 and 2.7 and see if this behavior has changed
[20:56:07] <jepler> if it has, then we need to figure out who and why and what the correct solution is
[20:58:51] <Tom_itx> something seemed different from 2.5 but like i said, i've made several hardware changes as well
[20:59:47] <jepler> a lathe sim config is going to have a vcp for the speed of the simulated spindle
[20:59:54] <Tom_itx> just wanted to mention it here
[21:00:09] <jepler> since we claim the configs we ship are all correct, you could see if the same behavior happens there
[21:00:36] <Tom_itx> lathe?
[21:01:15] <jepler> lathe config is just one I think is going to have a widget to show spindle speed
[21:01:52] <Tom_itx> in the lathe sim, i MDI: S 200 M3
[21:02:07] <Tom_itx> switch to the Manual Control tab and the spindle remains on
[21:02:56] <Tom_itx> and stopping it in manual control is also honored when switching back to the MDI tab
[21:03:09] <Tom_itx> as well as the spindle direction buttons
[21:03:31] <jepler> ok
[21:03:56] <jepler> so some element of your configuration is making it behave the way you initially observed
[21:04:10] <jepler> I .. don't know what config item that would be
[21:04:33] <Tom_itx> heh i don't either
[21:05:32] <jepler> did you double check the lists of incompatible ini and hal changes for 2.6 and 2.7 to see if there's a related item already listed? we try, but often fail, to list incompatible changes there.
[21:07:06] <Tom_itx> yeah
[21:07:12] <Tom_itx> i made a few changes
[21:07:17] <Tom_itx> it seems to run fine
[21:07:21] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/configs/sherline/
[21:07:25] <Tom_itx> there's the configs
[21:07:35] <Tom_itx> not very 'cleaned up' yet
[21:07:51] <Tom_itx> been making quite a few changes due to board changes
[21:11:55] <jepler> I skimmed and searched for some likely keywords but I didn't find anything that jumped out at me
[21:11:58] <jepler> 'night
[21:12:07] <Tom_itx> thanks
[21:44:54] <skunkworks> Tom_itx: could it be TOOL_CHANGE_WITH_SPINDLE_ON = 1?
[21:46:11] <Tom_itx> skunkworks do you have a link to the config changes? can't seem to locate that atm
[21:49:18] <Tom_itx> i'm not using that in my INI