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[09:09:41] <skunkworks> pcw_home, ran all night
[09:42:11] <mozmck> I got one of those $39 HP DC7800 computers, and was surprised that it has a 64-bit CPU!
[09:42:55] <mozmck> It booted and ran linux off a thumb drive quite fast.
[09:43:36] <skunkworks> I am now suprised when I find a machine that doesn't run 64bit.. :)
[09:44:53] <mozmck> Well, there are plenty of used ones on ebay that don't, and $39 for a 64-bit computer is not bad. PCW said the one he got ran hm2-eth at 4kz just fine.
[09:45:15] <skunkworks> right
[09:45:28] <mozmck> It was sold as without HDD, but it got here and had an 80Gig HDD in it.
[09:48:10] <ssi> I still haven't done anything with mine yet
[09:48:15] * ssi is a slacker
[09:52:00] <skunkworks> who would have ever thought ethernet coms.. :)
http://electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/0313150923b.jpg
[09:53:02] <mozmck> ssi: I notice now that you can get a DC7900 for about the same price and they have 3 Ghz CPUs
[09:53:57] <ssi> I see
[09:54:07] <mozmck> ssi:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/251877138928
[09:54:56] <skunkworks> I did find that the ethernet jack on the laptop is a bit on the light side. it doesn't take much torque on the cable to lose connection
[09:55:00] <ssi> road trip?
[09:55:15] <ssi> I wonder what his reserve is
[12:35:33] <skunkworks> So.. Does the config chooser in master not ask to copy configs anymore?
[12:39:26] <seb_kuzminsky> that's a bug if so
[12:39:31] <seb_kuzminsky> dgarr touched it last!
[12:41:35] <cradek> if you run RIP I think it has never asked that. if you install a package it does.
[12:42:26] <cradek> if you install a package the sample configs are not writable, so running from them doesn't work right, so they must be copied
[12:45:53] <skunkworks> ah. Ok. (it was rip)
[12:46:04] <seb_kuzminsky> oh yeah, good point
[14:46:37] <andypugh> Is it possible to display SVG in the Wiki?
[14:47:29] <andypugh> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl/wiki.pl?SpindleOrient
[14:49:29] <seb_kuzminsky> that's a nice hal circuit diagram, andypugh
[14:50:55] <seb_kuzminsky> i don't know much about the wiki markup, but i've often been frustrated by it. can i suggest that you make an asciidoc page (in the integrator's manual) with this info instead?
[14:51:07] <seb_kuzminsky> i know our asciidoc build system handles svg correctly, for both html and pdf
[14:58:08] <cradek> wow what a good way to present a complicated hal setup
[15:00:45] <ssi> andypugh: awesome!
[15:00:51] <ssi> I need to get that going soon
[15:00:56] <ssi> I know pete needs it basically now
[15:24:53] <mozmck> heh, lot of truth in this article looks like:
http://www.vitavonni.de/blog/201503/2015031201-the-sad-state-of-sysadmin-in-the-age-of-containers.html
[15:25:16] <andypugh> All done by copying and pasting the manpages into Excel, then copying and pasting the Excel cells into Inkscape :-)
[15:27:18] <andypugh> It had arrows until I needed to shrink it below 200k to make it small enough to upload.
[15:27:45] <andypugh> (It looks like the online SVG-cleaner lost them)
[16:08:47] <skunkworks> sorry - got called away
[17:48:16] <andypugh> I haven’t tried to build docs before. Any ideas what might be wrong here: asciidoc: ERROR: spindle.txt: line 254: [blockdef-listing] missing closing delimiter
[17:48:16] <andypugh> a2x: ERROR: /usr/bin/asciidoc --backend docbook -a a2x-format=pdf -f ../docs/src/docbook.conf -f ../docs/src/asciidoc-dont-replace-arrows.conf --doctype book --attribute scriptdir=../docs/src/ --verbose --out-file /home/andypugh/git/linuxcnc-dev/docs/src/Master_Integrator.xml /home/andypugh/git/linuxcnc-dev/docs/src/Master_Integrator.txt returned non-zero exit status 1
[17:48:18] <andypugh> rm: cannot remove `../docs/src/Master_Integrator.pdf': No such file or directory
[17:48:18] <andypugh> make: *** [../docs/src/Master_Integrator.pdf] Error 1
[17:51:14] <andypugh> Ah, wait, I think I know what it is.
[18:09:34] <andypugh> I was wrong. I have no idea
[18:10:27] <seb_kuzminsky> andypugh: post your .txt file
[18:11:19] <andypugh> http://pastebin.com/gSAy0yA9
[18:11:34] <andypugh> Line 254 is below the last image::
[18:11:52] <seb_kuzminsky> uneven number of ----- lines
[18:12:31] <seb_kuzminsky> ---- marks the beginning and end of a block of preformatted (iirc) test, it's complaining you open one (on the very last line) and dont close it
[18:12:40] <andypugh> I don’t even understand what thoose do
[18:12:48] <andypugh> OK
[18:13:31] <andypugh> I thought they were section breaks like in Wiki markup
[18:14:04] <seb_kuzminsky> in asciidoc markup, sections are started by section headers (lines beginning with 1 or more "=" followed by a section title)
[18:15:59] <andypugh> OK, it has got futher now
[18:17:23] <andypugh> In other news, should I think about submitting thos rather specialised user-space HAL component?
https://youtu.be/ChKmIHP7G_U?list=UUexvgsGz_QFvOublovDYoTQ
[18:19:18] <micges> yes
[18:20:16] <andypugh> It needs to do fixed-exposure, but that’s a small change
[18:33:21] <andypugh> So, is it reasonable to expect uspace to run on an RT-PREEMPT ARM kernel if I manage to find/make one?
[18:34:03] <andypugh> I am thinking that RasPi2 + 7i76E might be a really good setup, if it worked.
[18:34:35] <andypugh> (And i kind-of burned my machinekit bridges)
[20:00:43] <cradek> andypugh: maybe this will help:
http://sjoerd.luon.net/posts/2015/02/debian-jessie-on-rpi2/
[20:01:44] <cradek> getting a kernel that works and getting these things to boot seems hard
[20:01:56] <cradek> but happily the rpi2 will run normal armhf builds
[20:02:49] <cradek> (I guess the *video card* boots it by loading the kernel directly)
[20:03:21] <cradek> seems like "boot from some media and do an install" isn't a thing you can do anymore
[20:52:55] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Morley 05master b29c175 06linuxcnc Merge branch 'stepconf-foam' * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=b29c175
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[21:11:48] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Chris Morley 05master d39f00c 06linuxcnc 03src/emc/usr_intf/stepconf/axisu.glade 03src/emc/usr_intf/stepconf/axisv.glade stepconf - oops forgot glade files * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=d39f00c
[21:18:49] <kwallace2> I'm looking how to use this with LinuxCNC:
http://www.tormach.com/uploads/169/TD10141_Fourth_Axis_Homing_Kit_0712A-pdf.html
[21:34:23] <pcw_home> RPI2 is not going to be good for real time Ethernet ( RPI2 Ethernet is a USB-->Ethernet chip )
[21:35:03] <mozmck> why did they ever do USB->Ethernet?
[21:35:13] <mozmck> internally anyhow?
[21:36:03] <pcw_home> No on SOC Ethernet and minimum wiring probably
[21:36:53] <mozmck> I've heard some motherboards do that too?
[21:38:44] <pcw_home> All the recent one I've seen use the Realtek 8111 (PCIE) or Intel (also PCIE)
[21:39:41] <pcw_home> Phone/tablet oriented SOCs rarely have Ethernet or PCIE
[21:55:39] <archivist> kwallace2, I just looked in a Nikken rotary manual and it has got a home sensor
[21:57:44] <kwallace2> archivist, thank you. I'll take a look.
[21:59:04] <archivist> kwallace2, translated from the japanese, and had a modification, looks opto but later describes as a dog
[21:59:44] <pcw_home> I guess a really good rotary would have a hi-res encoder on the chuck
[22:00:00] <archivist> strange manual, it had a separate cnc controller with its own gcode
[22:00:21] <archivist> this only has 2000 line encoder
[22:00:42] <pcw_home> on the drive motor or the output shaft?
[22:03:46] <archivist> I guess by the drawing it is on the motor, and another section states 1024 line
[22:04:03] <archivist> 90-1 worm ratio
[22:05:51] <pcw_home> yeah so .0005 degree resolution (if no backlash)
[22:05:58] <archivist> backlash is quoted as 10-15 microns
[22:06:33] <archivist> has adjustment instructions to get that figure
[22:06:47] <pcw_home> I'll bet
[22:13:18] <archivist> I think this is similar as part of the manual covers the 200 as well
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nikken-CNC-200FA-Rotary-Table-With-Fanuc-Servo-A06B-0313-B031-/251686781177
[22:19:27] <pcw_home> 2000 line sounds a bit more likely ( both for Fanuc and integral fractions of a degree )
[22:21:54] <archivist> the fanuc motor seems an extra in the manual, normally has its own cnc control and a sanyo motor on this old thing from 1989
[22:23:29] <pcw_home> Do you have the rotary table?
[22:24:01] <archivist> no, I just got a pile of 30 assorted manuals off fleabay
[22:24:23] <pcw_home> Ahh OK
[22:24:49] <pcw_home> seems pretty big for a home workshop
[22:25:21] <archivist> adding to my manual archive
[22:27:37] <pcw_home> probably homing on that uses an home switch and the encoder index
[22:28:16] <cradek> kwallace2: on my rotary table I use index-only homing (manually jog to between two marks first) to avoid the trouble of mounting something like that
[22:29:07] <cradek> I would be surprised if that add-on was a hot seller... :-)
[22:30:40] <kwallace2> It's on our issue list. I'm not a big fan yet though.
[22:34:13] <archivist> I use a bubble type level to home my B axis
[22:34:58] <pcw_home> I guess for many things you do with a rotary table you only need relative motion
[22:36:13] <archivist> my A is on B therefore B needs to be in the right place, A matters little
[22:37:11] <archivist> sometimes home to its angle scale 0 but usually home anywhere
[22:42:34] <archivist> lovely line to the gsoc students on the brlcad list "If this were a college homework assignment, think of your ability to communicate well as being worth half your grade! The other half is how productive you can be without unnecessarily consuming the time of others."
[22:46:38] <pcw_home> important skills for anyone
[22:51:38] <archivist> http://sourceforge.net/p/brlcad/mailman/message/33595931/
