#linuxcnc-devel | Logs for 2014-12-30

[02:41:46] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 40f7345 06linuxcnc 10docs/src/getting-started/Getting-LinuxCNC.txt docs: drop wget in favor of zsync * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=40f7345
[07:06:31] <lair82> Good Morning guys, I would assume that the guys I would need to notify would be here before anywhere else, I have been having major issues with the forum lately, I am only getting random reply post to the threads I am subscribed to, and they normally aren't even in the order they were posted in. I went as far as to update my email address, and that made no difference. Any thoughts?
[07:29:00] <cradek> /wib
[07:59:03] <lair82> +cradek, what does /wib mean?
[08:31:40] <cradek> it means it's very early in the morning and I accidentally type things
[08:32:04] <lair82> Oh, I see
[08:33:07] <cradek> -rw-r----- 1 root adm 16664595 Dec 30 06:12 mail.log
[08:33:23] <cradek> because the forum is on dreamhost, none of us can see the mail logs
[08:33:48] <cradek> your mail provider might have something in their logs, but that's a distant second best
[08:34:07] <cradek> who is your mail provider?
[08:35:08] <cradek> if you get some messages but they are delayed, the headers in the delayed messages themselves will be your best data
[08:35:27] <cradek> maybe pastebin one with full headers showing, if you are inexperienced at reading that stuff
[08:40:12] <lair82> I believe it starts at Special Domain Services LLC, that is what it says in the address bar at the top of my screen
[08:40:57] <lair82> Who is actually the administrator then of the forum?
[08:41:28] <archivist> if your mail provider runs similar to gmail, it looks at content sees links and decides it is spamy and bounces the message with a 500something to the sender ruining your list mail
[08:42:44] <lair82> I believe it does run similar, but I had gmail before and never really noticed any problems
[08:43:26] <archivist> I am losing listmail since october, they seem to have upped their protection, annoying the senders
[08:49:01] <lair82> It is really annoying, and that is even an understatement.
[08:49:43] <lair82> I guess I don't really see anyone else complaining too loudly about this, so maybe its isolated to my email???
[08:50:28] <mozmck> some of the problem has to do with yahoo...
[08:51:52] <mozmck> I haven't had any problem, although I rarely use the forum.
[08:52:29] <lair82> What email services are working OK? I would go as far setting something else up and have it forwarded to my main email account.
[09:03:47] <archivist> I would say none are fully working these days, spam fighting is beginning to break stuff
[09:06:19] <lair82> Wonderful, I updated my forum email to one of my personal email addresses, see if that makes a difference i guess.
[09:20:56] <cradek> I suspect it's also the case that your email provider uses their other users' opinions about what's spam to help filter your mail
[09:21:50] <cradek> I bet forum mails look like noise to a lot of people (as do mailing lists) because people are often idiots who don't realize or understand that they asked for the messages
[09:22:28] <cradek> but still I think you should take the advice of looking at the headers of the delayed emails and see where they were delayed
[09:30:06] <lair82> Just figured out how to look at that, here is one from this morning http://pastebin.com/vmWVf4h8
[09:31:27] <lair82> And another, http://pastebin.com/SuUfiy2s
[09:35:17] <cradek> those look like they made it to you in just a few seconds
[09:36:52] <cradek> "Vade Retro" has "secret sauce" that filters your mail
[09:37:05] <cradek> I assume that's something "secureserver.net" is using for you
[09:38:47] <cradek> it's hard to know for sure, but I bet this is something you can fix with your email provider, whoever that is
[09:38:52] <archivist> it gave a scor of 0 and it looks like it throws a wobbly at 300
[09:39:06] <cradek> well that one got through
[09:39:17] <cradek> the other one does not have X-VR headers for some reason
[09:39:30] <cradek> and we don't know what happens to the filtered ones
[09:40:54] <archivist> I only know about stops and bounces when the list server asks me what's wrong, some are counting bounces and crossing you off the list
[09:41:38] <lair82> http://pastebin.com/VSm9T9Tp here is when I clicked view mail source, pastebin said there was spam in this
[09:41:53] <JT-Shop> I get a lot of emails from the list that end up in the spam bin
[09:43:12] <cradek> archivist, JT-Shop: he's asking about mail resulting from forum posts, not the mailing list
[09:44:06] <lair82> After looking at it, my desktop client is just getting messed up even further, but when I look at the times on my mail webpage, the replies that did make it thru, appear to be at roughly the same time they were posted, but when I look, there were 3 more posts in between 2 of the ones that made to my inbox
[09:44:23] <archivist> spam software does not know the difference methinks
[09:44:36] <cradek> lair82: your mail provider should be able to provide a list of the emails it blocked for you
[09:44:53] <cradek> lair82: I don't see any reason yet to believe this problem is anywhere but your email provider
[09:45:22] <cradek> (although to be fair I don't really have much data at all)
[09:45:48] <mozmck> My ISP provides email, and I made sure they did not block any of my emails.
[09:46:03] <cradek> I always turn off the forum emails, and when I forget, I get them and they irritate me
[09:46:11] <cradek> mozmck: do you use our forum?
[09:46:12] <lair82> That's fine, I just wanted to be able to narrow it down to something, like I said I don't see anybody else squawking about it currently, so I was starting to figure it was something on my end.
[09:46:25] <mozmck> I think I had to call and tell them to remove all spam blocking when I signed up.
[09:46:39] <cradek> lair82: I agree with your intuition, and it makes me sad that neither of us has access to much data
[09:46:51] <mozmck> cradek: not very much, but I am a moderator there and I get notified of every email.
[09:47:18] <lair82> No problem +cradek , I will have to try to contact them and get this straightened out.
[09:47:21] <mozmck> I'm not a forum fan. Takes way too much time compared to mailing list.
[09:47:28] <cradek> mozmck: no kidding there
[09:47:49] <cradek> I use rss2email to scrape the forum, but replying is a huge pain because I have to go to the web thingy
[09:48:23] <mozmck> Some ISPs or maybe many now are using Gmail for their email provider, which I think is a bad thing
[09:48:49] <archivist> and gmail does block...grrrrr
[09:48:50] <cradek> I have always run my own mail servers but that isn't something everyone can realistically do
[09:49:02] <cradek> so I'm sad for you all, but I can't help you :-)
[09:49:24] <archivist> I run a server for a company but not for me
[09:50:39] <mozmck> Every ISP I have had provides email so far, and has been pretty good. Another option is getting email through a private website. A domain is ~$12 per year, hosting ~$5 or less per month, and you can generally get several or even unlimited email accounts with a hosting account.
[09:51:35] <cradek> I bet the service you get by paying someone even a nominal amount is much better than what you get from the "free" providers
[09:52:37] <mozmck> that could well be, and they probably aren't scanning all your email so they can target you with ads like gmail does
[11:47:38] <kwallace2> Since I'm in the US I know about NPT threads, but haven't a clue what is popular elsewhere. Are there other standards that are as popular but just not here?
[11:48:06] <cradek> do you mean for pipes specifically?
[11:49:08] <archivist> british standard pipe thread
[11:51:19] <kwallace2> I have a g-code generator for pipe threads but only got as far as NPT in the app. Now I need to add any data for other pipe threads that are worthy of the effort.
[11:52:14] <archivist> I dont think there is a metric pipe thread, they use bsp
[11:52:45] <kwallace2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Pipe
[11:52:51] <archivist> there are some other threads, on gas services though
[11:53:45] <archivist> and yes there is a parallel as well as taper BSP
[11:54:08] <archivist> parallel is not common
[11:57:43] <kwallace2> I have turned threads on PVC pipe
[11:59:04] <kwallace2> to get a custom length or avoid going to the hardware store. Having the g-code generator makes that easier.
[12:00:47] <kwallace2> I can imagine someone in another country be frustrated by not having the same thing available in the local configuration. If everyone uses NPT then I don't have to worry.
[12:01:00] <kwallace2> be/being
[12:01:14] <archivist> everyone in europe uses BSP
[12:01:34] <cradek> it's almost always safe to assume everyone uses the american standards
[12:01:56] <archivist> with the rare bit of npt
[12:02:04] <archivist> not at all
[12:03:47] <cradek> sorry, I was doing that thing where I think it's funny to say something that's obviously untrue
[12:04:24] <archivist> you have to use the irc sarcasm font to do that :)
[12:05:13] <archivist> oxygen bottles has an odd thread too
[12:05:20] <archivist> have
[12:07:29] <kwallace2> I noticed my Machinery's Handbook has a section on fire hose threads too. That could be handy.
[12:07:58] <archivist> http://glennmcanally.com/sarcastic/
[12:08:29] <kwallace2> And lamp socket threads.
[12:08:32] <archivist> there is a drilling rig taper thread too, wont fit on most lathes though
[12:10:22] <archivist> I am slowly collecting thread data, there are many
[12:10:59] <archivist> Elgin had their own watch threads
[12:11:43] <kwallace2> It looks like the tool form on BSP is more critical. It looks like they want the peaks and valleys to seal as well as the flanks?
[12:12:19] <archivist> yup, I use a form insert to do that
[12:12:43] <ktchk> BA copper screws in our electrical cabinets
[12:13:59] <archivist> BA based on the swiss
[12:14:04] <archivist> Thury thread
[12:14:52] <archivist> plenty of clockmakers used BA too
[12:16:11] <ktchk> I first saw it in volt meters on electrical panel
[13:57:01] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=2.7 0000.checkin
[13:57:02] <linuxcnc-build> build #2858 forced
[13:57:02] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[14:45:32] <linuxcnc-build> build #2321 of 2000.docs is complete: Failure [4failed compile rsync-docs-to-www.linuxcnc.org] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/2000.docs/builds/2321
[14:48:40] <seb_kuzminsky> oops, my bad
[14:49:22] <linuxcnc-build> build #2858 of 0000.checkin is complete: Failure [4failed] Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/0000.checkin/builds/2858
[15:15:44] <seb_kuzminsky> linuxcnc-build: force build --branch=2.7 2000.docs
[15:15:45] <linuxcnc-build> build #2322 forced
[15:15:45] <linuxcnc-build> I'll give a shout when the build finishes
[15:24:58] <linuxcnc-build> Hey! build 2000.docs #2322 is complete: Warnings [8warnings compile]
[15:24:59] <linuxcnc-build> Build details are at http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/buildbot/builders/2000.docs/builds/2322
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[18:46:47] <KGB-linuxcnc> 03Sebastian Kuzminsky 052.7 ba2805a 06linuxcnc 10src/emc/task/emccanon.cc task: fix a dead store * 14http://git.linuxcnc.org/?p=linuxcnc.git;a=commitdiff;h=ba2805a