#linuxcnc-devel | Logs for 2014-07-16

[06:56:00] <ktchk> Good morning, the linux-image 3.4.55-rtai-2 is not there any more can any one look into the wiki??
[09:01:06] <jepler> ktchk: yesterday cradek and seb_kuzminsky agreed to remove some old images which were considered inferior to the current iteration. I think the current version is called 3.4.55-3linuxcnc.
[09:01:10] <jepler> logger[mah]: url
[09:01:10] <logger[mah]> jepler: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc-devel/2014-07-16.html
[09:01:40] <jepler> ktchk: the log for the previous day (or maybe two) may contain more information
[09:04:59] <ktchk> jepler: Thanks
[09:25:47] <ktchk> jepler: I tried to use linux-image-3.4.55-3linuxcnc but still no image found, is there a way to check the name??
[09:28:58] <cradek> ktchk: deb http://www.linuxcnc.org wheezy base
[09:29:21] <cradek> and that is not the name of the package
[09:29:48] <cradek> maybe we need to back up. what are you trying to do?
[09:31:52] <ktchk> cradek: Last night I put up a 12.04 and the rtai kernel but found the heekscad not working.
[09:32:40] <ktchk> cradek: today I have a sony and load the 12.04 and then the rtai kernel not installable
[09:33:58] <cradek> if you're doing a new install and you want to help test our development kernel, you could try the debian live+install image
[09:34:41] <ktchk> cradek: I just follow the wiki
[09:34:43] <cradek> but there is a ubuntu precise version of the kernel in the main linuxcnc repository that you should be able to use directly if you want to use precise
[09:35:02] <cradek> what wiki page?
[09:35:33] <ktchk> cradek: the repositary is 3.4.9 installed but not funtioning
[09:36:03] <archivist> ktchk, this page ? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[09:36:10] <cradek> that is not enough information for me to help you
[09:36:25] <ktchk> linuxcnc.org wiki buntu 12.04 yes that one
[09:37:03] <cradek> yeah those package names are wrong now
[09:37:34] <cradek> can you explain what you mean about 3.4.9?
[09:38:19] <ktchk> the repositary have a linux-image-3.4.9 ....
[09:39:06] <cradek> no, it has linux-image-3.4-9...
[09:42:06] <ktchk> linux-image-3.4-9-rtai-686-pae
[09:43:10] <cradek> that looks right
[09:43:31] <ktchk> installed but no real time
[09:43:52] <cradek> tell us what you did and then what you see
[09:46:32] <ktchk> wheezy need a gpg key
[09:46:45] <cradek> are you using wheezy or precise?
[09:47:18] <ktchk> precise first now wheezy
[09:55:06] <cradek> the www.linuxcnc.org deb archive is signed with key 8F374FEF
[09:56:01] <cradek> perhaps you should be testing our experimental wheezy live+install image, http://www.linuxcnc.org/binary.hybrid.iso
[09:56:22] <ktchk> ok
[09:57:17] <ktchk> downloading
[09:58:28] <ktchk> will let you know after I build it
[10:24:37] <seb_kuzminsky> i updated the wiki page, http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[10:24:42] <seb_kuzminsky> with the new package names
[10:24:57] <cradek> thanks!
[10:25:29] <cradek> (I didn't touch it because I'd've replaced it with: don't do this, use wheezy instead)
[10:33:23] <tjtr33> seb_kuzminsky, user ktchk has been trying to get a package per instructions on http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?LinuxCNC_On_Ubuntu_Precise
[10:33:48] <tjtr33> it fails like this log shows http://pastebin.com/Pcq9c7SY
[10:34:03] <tjtr33> maybe you can look at this, thanks
[10:34:15] <cradek> tjtr33: read back
[10:34:29] <cradek> logger[mah]: tell tjtr33 where to find the log
[10:34:29] <logger[mah]> cradek: Log stored at http://linuxcnc.mah.priv.at/irc/%23linuxcnc-devel/2014-07-16.html
[10:34:44] <tjtr33> uh,jusrt logged back on after research, will get mha's logs
[10:34:59] <tjtr33> thx
[10:35:00] <cradek> thanks for the good report that shows what he did and saw
[10:35:13] <cradek> it's fixed in several ways now :-)
[10:35:27] <tjtr33> cool, you guys are fast!
[10:35:27] <cradek> the wiki page is updated, and also he's stopped trying to use ubuntu, so double win
[10:36:09] <tjtr33> hahaha
[10:38:59] <tjtr33> wow, i miss a lot not monitoring here! thx guys
[10:39:55] <cradek> a toolchange in sim/axis on master gives me two "line can't have zero length!" messages
[10:40:04] <cradek> ... I bet I was already at the tool change location
[11:11:22] <ktchk> jepler: for you info the iso does not boot it is windows based setup.exe to start
[11:12:46] <cradek> it does boot
[11:12:58] <cradek> perhaps you have written it to the usb incorrectly
[11:13:08] <cradek> you can write it directly with dd
[11:14:49] <ktchk> may be dd can do I use linux startdisk utility to make the usb
[11:14:59] <cradek> use dd
[11:15:17] <cradek> I don't know what startdisk is
[11:17:17] <ktchk> startupdisk creator
[11:19:13] <cradek> oh ok, don't use that
[11:19:15] <cradek> use dd
[11:19:22] <cradek> that is for ubuntu images only
[11:19:40] <cradek> debian images are hybrid usb/cdrom and should be written directly to the usb stick
[12:19:37] <skunkworks> cradek: the free windows writer (I think it is recomended on the wiki/website) infrarecorder burns the image to dvd just fine.
[12:20:09] <skunkworks> I still have to figure out what I used to burn the iso to usb on windows
[12:20:51] <cradek> skunkworks: thanks
[12:21:04] <cradek> I know that is going to be a common question and it would be nice to have a good answer.
[12:21:34] <cradek> surely it's a solved problem!
[12:21:41] <pcw_home> unetbootin?
[12:21:56] <skunkworks> that sounds farmilier...
[12:22:42] <cradek> I think that is the equivalent of "startup disk creator" and it does non-hybrid stuff (doesn't just copy the image)
[12:22:44] <skunkworks> pcw_home, did you burn the weezy iso to a usb - using unetbootin.. I don't think it worked for me on linux..
[12:22:51] <skunkworks> dd did...
[12:24:49] <cradek> possibly, http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[12:25:07] <cradek> that looks very promising
[12:25:42] <cradek> > I was taken aback by how difficult it was to find a Windows program specifically to write .bin images to a USB drive, but this one does it beautifully.
[12:27:08] <skunkworks> mach4 threads! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvQeXDsVZ0A&feature=youtu.be
[12:27:33] <pcw_home> No, haven't tried weezy but I can
[12:28:36] <pcw_home> you mean the Vital system Hicon threads....
[12:29:49] <pcw_home> where is the weezy image? Ill try it right now
[12:30:32] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/binary.hybrid.iso
[13:15:46] <pcw_home> Yep unetbootin doesn't work with that image (though they say they are compatible with debian wheezy)
[13:17:03] <cradek> there may be hybrid and nonhybrid (and certainly there are live and nonlive) versions of the wheezy installer
[13:17:13] <cradek> too many choices
[13:17:54] <pcw_home> windows just needs dd
[13:18:15] <cradek> windows just needs to be replaced with a fully-featured OS
[13:18:42] <cradek> did you try http://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/
[13:19:33] <pcw_home> I just tried this from linux (since unetbootin does the same on linux or windows)
[13:19:44] <cradek> ah
[13:25:37] <ktchk> the iso dd to usb bioot with isolinux.bin s missing
[13:34:55] <ktchk> isohybrid warning more then 1024 cylinders not all BIOS will be able to boot this device
[13:39:18] <cradek> I have not seen either of those problems
[13:39:39] <cradek> what is the md5 of your downloaded image?
[13:55:21] <ktchk> 25cca580c3265364aeac058e532f12af
[13:58:20] <CaptHindsight> I just did 6 Linuxcnc installs with the 3.4.55 rtai on different distros using ISO's on flash drives
[13:59:02] <CaptHindsight> the only problem I run into is some older BIOS not detecting the OS on the flash
[14:00:02] <CaptHindsight> not much you can do it there's no BIOS update except for installing on a newer machine and then swapping the hard drive over to the older one
[14:02:11] <CaptHindsight> it/if
[14:03:11] <CaptHindsight> I still have to try the new wheezy but I got too busy here again with other projects, darn those pesky customers
[14:08:04] <skunkworks> cradek, win32diskimager works on windows xp and the wheezy iso image.
[14:08:10] <cradek> yay!!
[14:08:12] <skunkworks> (it boots...)
[14:09:03] <cradek> how many beers would it cost for you to make a wiki page with screenshots and instructions?
[14:10:06] <skunkworks> the only odd thing is it wants .img .IMG files.. (but if you select all - and select the .iso it seems to work)
[14:10:19] <skunkworks> cradek, none - it just won't happen until the weekend..
[14:10:24] <skunkworks> (probably_
[14:10:26] <skunkworks> )
[14:10:46] <skunkworks> or I should say - it probably won't happen before the weekend.
[14:10:57] <cradek> :-)
[15:04:50] <CaptHindsight> are you guys saying the unetbootin isn't working as well as win32diskimager on older mainboards?
[15:05:18] <cradek> nope
[15:05:38] <cradek> unetbootin doesn't write the raw image to the usb, which is what is needed for a hybrid style iso
[15:05:55] <cradek> unetbootin cannot make a bootable usb stick based on the iso I'm doing
[15:06:11] <cradek> neither can ubuntu's startup disk creator
[15:06:24] <CaptHindsight> ah ok
[15:06:31] <cradek> in unix you use dd to write it; in windows win32diskimager works like dd
[23:54:49] <tjtr33> hello, whats md5sum of binary.hybrid.iso?