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[04:13:58] <memleak> 5561 insertions, 34181 deletions for linuxcnc branch of RTAI, thats a big fork :)
[04:14:17] <memleak> i cant wait until this is ready for push!
[05:22:06] <jthornton> cradek, I don't know how to close them
[05:49:42] <memleak> most of it is done, just need to work out a few bugs, clean-up is online
[05:50:26] <memleak> https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI/commit/6a20efb81f2a0b31cebc9f138cf0a069f70a7014
[05:51:23] <memleak> i think it's just linking issues, ill dig into it more later. good night all!
[05:54:20] <memleak> also vfile.c vfile.h and xn.h needs another rewrite.
[05:56:22] <memleak> "unsolved symbols" just noticed that now.. that was supposed to say undefined
[11:41:08] <cradek> well something went wrong and a ton of people got unsubscribed from emc-users
[11:41:44] <pcw_home> oops :-(
[11:42:33] <cradek> seems to be hotmail and yahoo
[11:42:37] <cradek> are they the same service now?
[11:43:11] <cradek> http://postmaster.yahoo.com/errors/postmaster-28.html
[11:43:42] <pcw_home> I thought hotmail was MS
[11:43:44] <cradek> at the bottom, this smells like "we broke everybody's mailing lists, sorry" but I don't fully understand the bounce notifications I'm getting from mailman
[11:44:57] <cradek> these free email services are worth every penny
[11:46:08] <pcw_home> Yep
[11:48:30] <skunkworks_> dad just emailed me that..
[11:48:41] <skunkworks_> msn I assume too
[11:48:54] <cradek> I wonder if sf screwed something up
[11:52:43] <cradek> https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/site-support/7413/
[11:54:22] <cradek> oh my,
https://sourceforge.net/p/forge/site-support/7414/
[11:57:48] <cradek> well I don't think I can do anything about this
[11:58:17] <cradek> yahoo mail users could complain to yahoo, I suppose, but that won't do anything
[12:00:15] <cradek> https://www.google.com/#q=dmark+breaks+mailing+lists
[12:00:42] <cradek> "yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world"
[12:06:41] <cradek> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ietf/current/msg87153.html
[12:08:17] <cradek> so I guess the problem is _dmarc.yahoo.com's record was changed to "p=reject"
[12:11:48] <cradek> here's a good summary:
http://beta.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=2645355&cid=38866277
[12:12:09] <cradek> I'm done worrying about this. out of my hands.
[13:20:44] <cradek> oh great
[13:21:23] <cradek> it appears that when a yahoo user POSTS, that message gets bounced by many providers, and that causes the RECIPIENTS (other users who should have received the yahoo author's post) to get unsubscribed
[13:21:43] <cradek> so the yahoo change affects not just yahoo users
[13:22:44] <archivist> seems it includes aol users too
[13:23:27] <cradek> yes it will probably eventually cause almost everyone to be unsubscribed
[13:23:49] <cradek> > "Since Yahoo mail provokes bounces from lots of other mail systems, innocent subscribers at Gmail, Hotmail, etc. not only won't get Yahoo subscribers' messages, but all those bounces are likely to bounce them off the lists"
[13:24:03] <archivist> some listmoms are doing a defensive unsubscribe
[13:26:12] <cradek> ffff
[13:26:20] <cradek> well I turned off bounce processing
[13:26:37] <cradek> I could (tediously) reenable these affected folks
[13:29:34] <archivist> stuff seems to be getting through but just ends up in my gmail spam folder
[13:30:13] <cradek> gmail users aren't getting unsubscribed
[13:30:29] <cradek> it must not bounce these
[13:33:46] <archivist> I am seeing all the aol and yahoo posters to the lists end up in my spam folder, so the list has passed them on and niethr the list nor gmail bounced them
[13:34:47] <cradek> yes but lots of others are bouncing them
[13:36:48] <cradek> comcast, yahoo, hotmail, live, sympatico.ca, bellsouth.net
[13:37:00] <cradek> msn
[13:37:04] <cradek> outlook
[13:42:22] <archivist> just looked at my inbox, no yahoo mails since the 17 on the emc lists
[13:44:51] <cradek> I have one from today
[13:45:00] <cradek> Subject: Re: [Emc-users] OT: Solar, A round toit generator
[13:47:59] <cradek> probably yahoo thinks they can get more people to see their advertising if they destroy all the mailing lists in the world (they hope people start using more yahoogroup bs)
[13:50:34] <archivist> I had the misfortune to see the yahoo homepage at a customers.... over my dead body
[16:22:32] <cradek> anyone else have a running 2.6.0~pre1 in front of them? I am getting a disabled "Create Desktop Shortcut" checkbutton but can't immediately spot why (~/Desktop exists)
[16:23:04] <cradek> KimK: about your private messages: I must've missed talk about this simulator stuff - I'm afraid I don't know what you're talking about at all
[16:23:36] <cradek> oh it enables if I select a sample config
[16:24:10] <skunkworks_> heh
[16:24:29] <skunkworks_> I was just going to say it is disabled on 2.7pre also ;)
[16:24:49] <cradek> I think it should also be enabled for my config in ~/linuxcnc/configs
[16:43:40] <skunkworks_> andypugh: Dave was the intermediary!
[16:44:01] <andypugh> Ah
[17:36:27] <cradek> whee, my remapped m6 tool length measuring works in 2.6.0~pre1
[17:47:04] <andypugh> I thought you had toolholders?
[17:47:19] <cradek> this is the engraving mill
[18:43:14] <skunkworks_> http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php/topic,27041.msg190722.html#msg190722
[18:56:06] <pcw_home> probably inevitable with windows "progress"
[19:04:00] <skunkworks_> there was talk about it - I thought art had created one. but maybe it wasn't good enough. (and for sure 8 had issues that his 'virus' wouldn't work)
[19:08:32] <pcw_home> Not sure android is much better, no longer your machine...
[21:52:37] <tjtr33> where are (DEBUG, #somevar ) printed? in the terminal running my RIP? , in AXIS? I dont see anything
[21:55:05] <andypugh> G-code comments (if using Axis) should pop up in the GUI.
[22:02:13] <andypugh> A small thermonuclear device in Yahoo HQ seems to me a moderate and proportional response.
[22:03:38] <cradek> andypugh: so I'm not the only frustrated one...
[22:05:34] <andypugh> The Big Players seem to ignore the old-style internet. If the new “feature” doesn’t break Facebook or Twitter, then who cares if it breaks IRC, mailing list, Usenet, etc…
[22:07:09] <cradek> I'm even more cynical. mailing lists are competition for yahoogroups and the advertising you get along with that service
[22:07:46] <cradek> that they offer to help fix ML software *after* breaking all the MLs is some incredible hubris
[22:08:02] <cradek> (I guess if they contacted the mailman folks before making their change, I wouldn't know about it)
[22:08:56] <tjtr33> andy thx, was searching for info while you answered, I had to set #5599=1 according to an old note. is that standard?
[22:10:06] <cradek> uhh
[22:10:07] <andypugh> <points chris at the question above, as I need so sleep and have no clue>
[22:10:26] <tjtr33> thx andy gnite
[22:10:49] <cradek> there must be some background information here I don't have
[22:10:57] <cradek> g'night andy
[22:11:05] <andypugh> But (debug, ….) oughto to work totally independently of any parameter being set
[22:12:00] <tjtr33> i'm using remap, and my M^ code had (Debug, blah) in it. nothing was printed till I set #5599=1., with 5599=0 -> no printout.
[22:13:14] <tjtr33> ok, i think its just old news, MHA remap stuff from years ago, dont bother, i can debug now and will move to newer code asap
[22:14:06] <tjtr33> using iov2 thx chris
[22:24:43] <tjtr33> hello, found it (#5599)
[22:24:51] <tjtr33> it is standard
http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gcode/overview.html#_numbered_parameters_a_id_sub_numbered_parameters_a
[22:24:52] <tjtr33> "5599 flag for controlling the output of (DEBUG,) statements. 1=output, 0=no output; default=1. Volatile."
[22:25:24] <tjtr33> thx! gnite
[22:32:51] <cradek> ahh I was looking in 2.5, which doesn't have that feature
[23:12:05] <cradek> > If other mailbox providers move to implement p=reject then kicking list participants from those domains off MLMs may result in some mighty small lists. Some list operators may consider that a good thing, others not so much. At the risk of offending some, Darwin may have been right.