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[12:16:38] <cradek> well this month's meeting should be easy
[12:17:02] <cradek> zultron did a good job getting people to argue about his item
[12:17:09] <cradek> not sure how it will turn out though
[12:19:22] <archivist> I need your topic to include more so I dont have to hand edit the table, freenode does not send the channel name with the message as far as I can see
[12:54:25] <cradek> are you talking to me?
[13:07:55] <seb_kuzminsky> cradek is channelling de niro
[13:12:03] <cradek> a few more hours to weekend
[13:12:19] <cradek> a few more weeks to vacation
[13:16:50] <CaptHindsight> nice
[13:24:41] <andypugh> My weekend started a few hours ago, and lasts for three days :)
[13:24:46] <cradek> yay
[13:25:40] <andypugh> And (I had not realised this) Macs have git installed by default (or, at least, I never installed it)
[13:26:08] <andypugh> So it looks like the only thing that the Linux box needs to know how to do is "make"
[13:45:32] <memleak> when I ran glxinfo on a Macbook Pro I noticed that Apple made a bunch of tweaks to their tree, not in the official mesa repo. Didn't know git was on there too..
[14:03:09] <jepler> memleak: I did not know Mac's OpenGL implementation was based on Mesa.
[14:15:30] <andypugh> Well, this is fun. My TV can't run the graphics mode slected by the recovery console :-)
[14:18:46] <memleak> jepler, yup!
[15:04:46] <memleak> andypugh, sounnds like a kernel modesetting issue.
[15:05:27] <memleak> HDTVs have a harder time with KMS than monitors, especially when over HDMI.
[15:05:28] <andypugh> It's an Intel GMA thing
[15:06:10] <andypugh> The 12.04 installer gets the DPI so wrong that the installer system font is 4 pixels high. Luckily I know what the options say by now. :-/
[15:06:15] <memleak> and pre-3.x radeon kms kernels with HD cards :P
[15:07:18] <memleak> now that's hilarious...
[15:08:37] <andypugh> I also know where to find the font setting in the terminal window, so I can read that, to change the DPI once installed.
[15:08:54] <andypugh> I have _not_ had a productive week, as you might be able to tell from my install-count.
[15:09:58] <memleak> I've had those too, but with gentoo..
[15:10:32] <memleak> ubuntu luckily installs in just a few clicks, gentoo requires commands after commands, and a whole lot of compiling, especially if you want it stable.
[15:11:46] <andypugh> I don't think you are allowed to want Gentoo to be stable.
[15:15:45] <memleak> its more stable than anything i ever used, but if you're not a linux guru, you can render yourself a highly unstable system.
[15:29:19] <cradek> andypugh: don't you have a keyboard and a monitor? it seems like you have SO many problems due to wanting to use your mac and not a console.
[15:30:41] <andypugh> I don't really want another computer desk in the living room.
[15:31:24] <andypugh> Anyway, it really looks like I have a potentially good system now.
[15:31:58] <cradek> yay
[15:32:39] <andypugh> The git archive is on the Mac, where Eclipse can get at it fast. And that is mounted by the Linux box. (and it was all really easy to set up compared to trying to use the NAS)
[15:38:33] <memleak> the mac filesystem is still compatible with the linux kernel? i thought it was some weird JFS / XFS / ZFS hodge podge last i looked at macs.