#hazzy Logs
Aug 21 2020
#hazzy Calendar
05:08 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:08 AM * JT-Cave wonders when the power supply for the Rpi4 will arrive
09:12 AM TurBoss: morning
11:12 AM roguish[m]: JT-Cave: have you seen this???? https://nodered.org/
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12:07 PM JT[m]: Hmm O'Reillys said my battery is good, wondering what draws it down on the C5?
12:51 PM JT-Cave: roguish[m], not seen that before, not sure what value it has
12:57 PM TurBoss: roguish: here is a fork : https://www.pjrc.com/teensy/gui/index.html
01:04 PM JT-Cave: hmm roguish[m] I think I'll try that on the Rpi4 when ever my power supply shows up and I'll try the VTK as well
02:36 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: roguish: I have use node-red extensively if you need any pointers
02:37 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: On raspberry pi and on linux servers in the cloud, its nice for quick development of ideas / projects
02:39 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: JT: That machine looks serious! what is it?
02:54 PM JT-Cave: 1800's spoke lathe
02:55 PM JT-Cave: well the Rpi4 power supply arrived and so did the bread boards and terminals however the bread board is useless as it has no trace connecting the rows...
02:55 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: Oh wow! cool
02:55 PM TurBoss: Hello hilo90mhz!
02:56 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: TurBoss: Hey! I got qtpyVCP fully working I think now! Probe-Basic is runing! looks great
02:57 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: Mint 19.3 was the trick..
02:57 PM TurBoss: Great!
02:57 PM * JT-Cave goes back to work on the C5 brakes
02:57 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: JT-Cave: how are you using the RPI4 ? with mesa ethernet or some other way?
02:58 PM JT-Cave: many different ways including chicken coop automation
02:58 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: nice -- ooh I think I've seen your website then! that JT
02:59 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: some nice projects on there.. I need to get my website back online, the bots got in last summer and I havent taken the time to fix it yet..
03:01 PM TurBoss: hilo90mhz: did you login with IRC from the matrix? if not your message to #freenode_#linuxcnc-devel:matrix.org was not relayed
03:01 PM TurBoss: because of antispam measures :-)
03:02 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: I think so...
03:03 PM TurBoss: if you like to just pm @appservice-irc:matrix.org
03:03 PM TurBoss: thats only true for #freenode_#linuxcnc-devel:matrix.org
03:03 PM TurBoss: hehe
03:03 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: hmm okay
03:05 PM TurBoss: it will keep your irc account online meanwhile you log to the matrix its very usefull but sometimes goes down
03:05 PM TurBoss: also mad and kicks random discord users lol
03:06 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: hahaha okay - yeah I really haven't used IRC much
03:07 PM TurBoss: ok so not really a requirement
03:07 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: Here's wayback archive of my website lol http://web.archive.org/web/20170716045037/https://hilo90mhz.com/
03:09 PM TurBoss: https://youtu.be/q43G9FTaomg
03:10 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: Yeah, you play heroes?
03:10 PM TurBoss: I didnt read but do you used VMCI engine with H3?
03:10 PM TurBoss: nice site
03:10 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: Dont think so
03:10 PM TurBoss: I'm more a fan than a good player
03:11 PM TurBoss: :P
03:11 PM TurBoss: https://vcmi.eu/
03:11 PM TurBoss: * I didnt read but do you used VCMI* engine with H3?
03:11 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: yeah I'm not very good either, and dont play often, I like the hotseat option for friends occasionally.
03:11 PM TurBoss: but I have some friends that knows everything
03:17 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: If I want to change anything in probebasic what is the first editing?
03:17 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: like my tool changer is a 21 holder carousel
03:33 PM TurBoss: what installation steps did you followed pip or pip -e .
03:35 PM TurBoss: hilo90mhz: there should be a command called editvcp
03:35 PM TurBoss: ```
03:35 PM TurBoss: editvcp probe_basic
03:35 PM TurBoss: ```
03:37 PM TurBoss: the carousel pockets are hardcoded now but I would like to change that
03:38 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: oh nice like a parametric generated tool changer image?
03:39 PM TurBoss: do you have any coding background?
03:39 PM TurBoss: only required for the carousel widget
03:39 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: haha.. some.. I can hack my way through stuff but not programmer. I have written a fair amount of C for Arduino projects etc.
03:40 PM TurBoss: perfect
03:40 PM TurBoss: in princliple it is it only require to assing a variable and change some images
03:41 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: nice, I was hoping it was like that
03:41 PM TurBoss: all 99% done
03:42 PM TurBoss: were you able to run ```editvcp```
03:42 PM TurBoss: ?
03:42 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: It looks like because I used the installer script for probe_basic but I need the development install - I see instructions for that so will change type
03:43 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: it says "please set up a development install to edit VCP"
03:43 PM TurBoss: oh true
03:43 PM TurBoss: the installer is for run only
03:43 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: do you use the compile in place type install for linuxcnc?
03:43 PM TurBoss: need any link?
03:44 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: yeah I was just trying to get it working as fast as possible
03:44 PM TurBoss: run in place on shop and debs on sim
03:44 PM TurBoss: duno why but buildbot debs should work in both places
03:45 PM TurBoss: I mean i don't realy need to build from sources
03:45 PM TurBoss: http://www.qtpyvcp.com/
03:45 PM TurBoss: https://kcjengr.github.io/probe_basic/dev_install.html
03:45 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: okay so I shouldn't need the run in place?
03:46 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: yeah those are the instructions I will follow
03:47 PM TurBoss: only a 2.8> is required
03:47 PM TurBoss: cool thanks
03:48 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: sounds good! next challenge is getting Ethercat working :)
03:49 PM TurBoss: do you use a ethercat interface on the computer?
03:49 PM TurBoss: or works with regular ethernet?
03:50 PM * hilo90mhz[m]1 uploaded an image: ethercat.jpg (468KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xPsSpJtaLmQegkDoXmOwNCcE/ethercat.jpg >
03:50 PM TurBoss: Wololo
03:50 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: it uses regular ethernet port on computer - but its own protocol.. it is interesting that it even works with stock ethernet ports - I do not fully understand how it will work, but it should :)
03:51 PM TurBoss: the pdf has to be 300 page long
03:51 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: Beckhoff has a really nice website design... like a folder structure for each of these modules https://www.beckhoff.com/EL1809/
03:52 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: they all click into standard DIN rail
03:52 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: they are expensive but can be found on Ebay for 1/4th the new price
03:52 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: these are all used
03:52 PM TurBoss: nice!
03:52 PM TurBoss: so yo drive servo drivers with that?
03:53 PM TurBoss: or thats for inputs?
03:53 PM TurBoss: /EL1809/
03:53 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: you could with their step / dir modules, but the best way is to buy servo drive with built in ethercat too ;) this is just for the digital IO etc
03:53 PM TurBoss: * so you drive servo drivers with that?
03:53 PM TurBoss: Great
03:54 PM TurBoss: and goes in a bus setup right?
03:54 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: the EL4102 is analog output for VFD spindle drive control
03:54 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: yeah daisy chain buss setup with standard ethernet cables
03:55 PM TurBoss: https://github.com/sittner/linuxcnc-ethercat
03:56 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: Youc an buy this type of module too https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000085660736.html?spm=a2g0o.cart.0.0.53903c00eyhNIV&mp=1
03:56 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: But the Beckhoff modules are already fully supported by linuxCNC :)
03:56 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: and yup that is the main repo for ethercat
03:58 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: these are a neat looking product - fully integrated drive + motor with ethercat support https://www.aliexpress.com/i/4000318457252.html
03:58 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: I have no experience with them though. My plan is to use Panasonic A6B ethercat servo drives, but have not purchased them yet. I want to make sure I can get the beckhoff modules working first
03:59 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: "Canopen" is the protocol that is used over the "ethercat" interface = linuxcnc supports this but there are probably some changes to the driver necessary for each new motor drive type
04:00 PM TurBoss: a robust setup
04:01 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: yeah! it has standard ethernet transformer isolation between each device, so not susceptible to noise or ground loops :)
04:01 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: this is the main reason I wanted to use it
04:17 PM TurBoss: https://github.com/kcjengr/probe_basic/tree/master/widgets/atc_widget
04:55 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: TurBoss: oh wow you already made image with 21 tools! awesome thanks
04:55 PM TurBoss: Lcvette did hurray
07:38 PM hazzy-m: hilo90mhz: hello!
07:38 PM hazzy-m: TurBoss: your english has gotten much better in the past few years! It's extremely good now, much better than my spanish lol
07:40 PM * hazzy-m thinks he should merge the VKB and GcodeEdit branches this weekend
07:41 PM TurBoss: hihi
07:41 PM TurBoss: great
07:52 PM hazzy-m: remember the pic of packing up the machine on Monday? Should have been easy right? Well the double drop truck never showed up for the main machine, so we had to scramble to find another truck with sufficient capacity and permits, that took until Wednesday. When it finally got to Detroit where it was to cross the boarder into Canada it turned out the bridge did not have enough capacity, so we had to find a barge, but once the
07:52 PM hazzy-m: machine was on the barge it broke down and they had to get a tug. And then the truck driver who was to meet it on the other side could not get into Canada because of covid, so we had to find another truck. It finally arrived at the customer this evening. Its been a long week ...
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07:56 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: hazzy: wow that sounds like nightmare!
07:57 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: i had to wait 6 months for trucking company to move my machine but they did it for a good price..
07:58 PM hazzy-m: hilo90mhz: That fedal looks like an awesome machine! They are built like tanks
07:59 PM hazzy-m: I'd love to have something like that
07:59 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: yeah! it should have new life once i have linuxcnc on it
07:59 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: whats inside the box?
08:03 PM hazzy-m: its a sheet metal folding machine
08:04 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: oh wow
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08:06 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: interesting.. never seen one of those
08:19 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: And you are the one behind qtpyvcp? it seems like a great interface! Its what got me thinking that linuxcnc is a real mature solution
08:31 PM hazzy-m: Yes, a lot of people have contributed to make it what it is now, but QtPyVCP spun out of another project (hazzy) which started as a custom GUI for my little CNC mill
08:46 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: thats awesome... thanks for sharing it back with everyone
09:27 PM hazzy-m: TurBoss: did you see this? https://forum.linuxcnc.org/qtpyvcp/39825-probe-basic-very-slow-and-laggy#178960
09:28 PM hazzy-m: he's running a Seed Odyssey and getting quite decent latency
09:55 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: Those are nice, I have a j4105 intel NUC on my desk here - haven't tried putting linuxCNC on it though
09:56 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: The seed odyssey is better for DIY stuff though with all the ports exposed etc, and price is nice
09:57 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: 2X ethernet
10:09 PM hazzy-m: I'm tempted to get one to play with
10:12 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: Yeah if you have a use for it! way better than a rpi4 it looks like.
10:13 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: heres a CPU speed comparison to my ITX build with a G6400 $64 cpu
10:13 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Pentium-Gold-G6400-vs-Intel-Celeron-J4105/m1221579vsm444211
10:14 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: with the lowest cost motherboards + ram price is close
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10:15 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: That MB + cpu + 8gb ram is about $190
10:18 PM hilo90mhz[m]1: But the odyssey wins on smaller size and lower power consumption and 2x ethernet