#hazzy Logs
May 30 2020
#hazzy Calendar
12:00 AM TurBoss: can we just use Q?
12:00 AM TurBoss: it works for 62.5 but not for 117.5
12:00 AM Lcvette1: i dunno
12:00 AM TurBoss: I mean if Q == 1
12:01 AM Lcvette1: did you change range for 90.001-179.999 and the others too?
12:01 AM TurBoss: yes all of them
12:01 AM Lcvette1: ok
12:01 AM Lcvette1: can try Q
12:01 AM * TurBoss sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/yWTvQPHLZjzKJkbkGUYIPsAk >
12:01 AM TurBoss: something is wierd for 117.5 begin front angle
12:02 AM TurBoss: it never enters the if
12:03 AM Lcvette1: hmm
12:03 AM Lcvette1: that is wierd
12:03 AM Lcvette1: how do you thnk Q will look?
12:03 AM Lcvette1: will it solve the issue?
12:05 AM TurBoss: ya...
12:05 AM TurBoss: duno
12:06 AM Joco[m]: Right PP tweaked.
12:16 AM * Lcvette1 sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/BGydEvcZgQDKuHjJbMEoVqxU >
12:16 AM Lcvette1: Q5 gets tricky
12:16 AM Lcvette1: so does 5,6,7,8
12:16 AM Lcvette1: turboss^^^
12:16 AM TurBoss: yo
12:16 AM TurBoss: I have something working
12:16 AM TurBoss: is slow
12:16 AM TurBoss: but works
12:16 AM Lcvette1: Q5 = slow?
12:16 AM TurBoss: I'll push for now as working version
12:16 AM TurBoss: compare all the floats
12:16 AM Lcvette1: ah
12:16 AM Lcvette1: dunno what that means
12:16 AM Lcvette1: /o\
12:16 AM Lcvette1: lol
12:16 AM Lcvette1: i'll test though
12:16 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss pushed 031 commit to 03VTK_Lather [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JfKiv
12:16 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss 0340c370a - fix range
12:16 AM TurBoss: Lcvette: is up
12:17 AM Lcvette1: what pythoin?
12:17 AM Lcvette1: maybe mine is outdated?
12:18 AM TurBoss: ```bash
12:18 AM TurBoss: sudo apt update
12:18 AM TurBoss: sudo apt upgrade
12:18 AM Lcvette1: just ran it
12:18 AM Lcvette1: all packages are up to date
12:19 AM * Lcvette1 sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/pQddbcXWecgNNQDCirVzncFL >
12:19 AM TurBoss: pip install more-itertools
12:19 AM TurBoss: is just for now
12:19 AM TurBoss: well add to docs if works
12:19 AM Lcvette1: opened!
12:19 AM Lcvette1: :D
12:19 AM TurBoss: runs?
12:19 AM TurBoss: check times
12:20 AM TurBoss: mine pc is slow
12:21 AM Lcvette1: runs but tools are very brojken
12:21 AM TurBoss: much?
12:22 AM Lcvette1: some tol don't show, some give that operand error and the ones that do show are wrong
12:22 AM Lcvette1: lol
12:22 AM Lcvette1: much broken
12:22 AM Lcvette1: :d
12:22 AM Lcvette1: * :D
12:22 AM Lcvette1: is that with Q?
12:23 AM TurBoss: no
12:23 AM TurBoss: and its slow
12:23 AM TurBoss: it froozeesss
12:23 AM Lcvette1: im building a Q one
12:23 AM TurBoss: ok
12:23 AM Lcvette1: well the requirmeents for Q
12:23 AM Lcvette1: i Iwll send in a moment
12:40 AM TurBoss: Lcvette can you paste that again without quotes
12:40 AM TurBoss: I'm unable to copy it correctly
12:40 AM * Lcvette1 sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/UdyBkBAfRffSkwXrEjrTolzJ >
12:41 AM TurBoss: great
12:41 AM TurBoss: so thats it?
12:42 AM Lcvette1: ?
12:42 AM Lcvette1: that is to detemrin the multipliers
12:42 AM TurBoss: ok
12:43 AM Lcvette1: -1 or +1
12:43 AM Lcvette1: still needs absolute
12:43 AM Lcvette1: its only taking the place of the angle calc to get the multiplier
12:45 AM * TurBoss sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/AnHRVeAPRsAyHxhhapmWHeYY >
12:45 AM TurBoss: I'm doing this
12:45 AM Lcvette1: yes
12:51 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss pushed 031 commit to 03VTK_Lather [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JfKiX
12:51 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss 03fa75d05 - use tool orientation
12:51 AM TurBoss: is up
12:51 AM Lcvette1: k testing
12:51 AM Joco[m]: WIN. Threadmill first time, no breakage and fit is ok. Bit loose but ok. Now to refine on a second hole.
12:52 AM Lcvette1: great!
12:54 AM Lcvette1: TurBoss: works toold show but are mirrored
12:54 AM TurBoss: in what axis?
12:54 AM Lcvette1: up down
12:54 AM TurBoss: z?
12:54 AM Lcvette1: yes z
12:56 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss pushed 031 commit to 03VTK_Lather [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JfKi1
12:56 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss 039ee26f4 - flip upside down
12:56 AM TurBoss: \o/
12:57 AM TurBoss: done
12:57 AM Lcvette1: testing
12:57 AM TurBoss: is much faster than comparing floats
12:58 AM TurBoss: needs something for the 90 90 tool
12:58 AM TurBoss: but .. for now...
01:00 AM Lcvette1: \o/
01:00 AM Lcvette1: works
01:00 AM Lcvette1: something wonbky with tool 9
01:00 AM TurBoss: 9
01:00 AM TurBoss: q9
01:01 AM TurBoss: oh no
01:01 AM Lcvette1: no no, my bad
01:01 AM Lcvette1: had wrong q in
01:01 AM TurBoss: q7
01:01 AM Lcvette1: tool 9 should be Q3
01:02 AM Lcvette1: all works perfect now!
01:02 AM Lcvette1: :D
01:02 AM Lcvette1: \o/
01:02 AM Lcvette1: tool 9 should draw a rectangle
01:02 AM TurBoss: great
01:02 AM Lcvette1: with centerline on z
01:02 AM TurBoss: /o\
01:02 AM Lcvette1: tool 9 is drill
01:03 AM Lcvette1: the width of the rectagle will be the diameter
01:04 AM TurBoss: ok
01:04 AM TurBoss: so if tool has same back and front angle
01:04 AM TurBoss: draw a square?
01:04 AM TurBoss: ok I think thats another battle
01:04 AM TurBoss: war is not over
01:06 AM Lcvette1: Lol
01:06 AM Lcvette1: Q9 is still bit
01:07 AM Lcvette1: Would look similar the the portrayed tool for q7
01:08 AM TurBoss: also T0
01:08 AM TurBoss: what should draw?
01:08 AM TurBoss: it has 0 all
01:09 AM Lcvette1: Tool zero maybe a circle on the crosshairs
01:13 AM Lcvette1: Q9 would be like this:
01:13 AM * Lcvette1 uploaded an image: image.png (29KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/jxTBgquLOrNxaLyYTDmZdqJg >
01:13 AM Lcvette1: .2500 would be the diameter
01:14 AM Lcvette1: would be centered on the z axis line always
01:14 AM Lcvette1: can make the length something like 1" maybe
01:15 AM * Lcvette1 posted a file: image.png (31KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/rmhcXGMFVfvWuoeRtVvVguVm >
01:15 AM * Lcvette1 uploaded an image: image.png (31KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/xWuBbouOATdfDTxpgPSDUvQq >
01:17 AM Lcvette1: so one line would be -X = Diameter/2, Z 1.000
01:18 AM Lcvette1: -X = Diameter/2, Z 0
01:18 AM Lcvette1: +X = DIameter/2, Z 1.000
01:18 AM Lcvette1: X+ = Diameter/2, Z 0
01:19 AM Lcvette1: and then close the ends
01:19 AM Lcvette1: mnake sense?
01:19 AM Lcvette1: i will redo
01:20 AM Lcvette1: Diameter from tool table = D
01:20 AM Lcvette1: D/2=Rad
01:21 AM Lcvette1: draw rectangle with points:
01:21 AM Lcvette1: Z0, X Rad
01:21 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss pushed 031 commit to 03VTK_Lather [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JfKPU
01:21 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss 03f5ec4a9 - draw circle fro tool 0 and -1
01:21 AM Lcvette1: Z1, X Rad
01:22 AM Lcvette1: Z1, -X Rad
01:22 AM Lcvette1: Z0, -Xrad
01:22 AM Lcvette1: * Z0, -X Rad
01:23 AM TurBoss: :P
01:23 AM * Lcvette1 sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/JurURyYDaDHRLuilzeWPtaea >
01:23 AM * Lcvette1 sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/zrIZuUFaJpUCBSpyhFOYXsea >
01:23 AM Lcvette1: this will make tool Q9
01:24 AM Lcvette1: :d
01:24 AM Lcvette1: * :D
01:24 AM Lcvette1: testing new push
01:25 AM Lcvette1: TurBoss: ^^^ make sense?
01:25 AM TurBoss: yes
01:25 AM Lcvette1: \o/
01:26 AM Lcvette1: hurray shows a circle
01:27 AM Lcvette1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmzxR0zfIN0
01:27 AM Lcvette1: hahahaha
01:29 AM TurBoss: Lcvette: if Q9 there is no FA BA=
01:29 AM TurBoss: * Lcvette: if Q9 there is no FA BA?
01:29 AM TurBoss: is ignored?
01:30 AM Lcvette1: they would be 0
01:30 AM Lcvette1: its a drill, parallell tool
01:30 AM TurBoss: ok
01:30 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss pushed 031 commit to 03VTK_Lather [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JfKPq
01:30 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss 03b92b9c0 - show tool in position 9
01:30 AM Lcvette1: :o
01:31 AM TurBoss: done!
01:31 AM Lcvette1: testing
01:31 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss pushed 031 commit to 03VTK_Lather [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JfKPY
01:31 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss 038f7fd6d - remove unneeded lines
01:32 AM Lcvette1: \o/
01:32 AM Lcvette1: its fantabulous
01:32 AM Lcvette1: now just need grooving tool
01:33 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss pushed 031 commit to 03VTK_Lather [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JfKP3
01:33 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss 03c2bf29b - use quad to draw quads
01:33 AM Lcvette1: :o
01:33 AM Lcvette1: quad
01:33 AM Lcvette1: ?
01:33 AM TurBoss: the 90 90?
01:33 AM TurBoss: to draw square box
01:33 AM Lcvette1: yes
01:33 AM TurBoss: how so
01:34 AM Lcvette1: lets see
01:35 AM TurBoss: if FA == BA=
01:35 AM TurBoss: * if FA == BA?
01:35 AM Lcvette1: if Q1 FA and BA = 90
01:35 AM TurBoss: ok
01:35 AM Lcvette1: then draw rectangle using points
01:36 AM TurBoss: only for q1?
01:36 AM Lcvette1: Z0, X0
01:36 AM Lcvette1: Z0, X.35
01:37 AM TurBoss: should be Q6?
01:37 AM Lcvette1: Z0.0787, X.35
01:37 AM Lcvette1: Z0.0787, X0
01:37 AM Lcvette1: no
01:37 AM Lcvette1: because the cutting edge of a grooving tool will be one of the sides
01:37 AM Lcvette1: depending on where the grrove is to start
01:38 AM TurBoss: ok
01:38 AM Lcvette1: so we will need one for Q1, Q2, Q3, Q4
01:38 AM TurBoss: then tomorrow?
01:38 AM TurBoss: ok
01:38 AM Lcvette1: sure
01:38 AM Lcvette1: turboss needs sleep
01:39 AM Lcvette1: :d
01:39 AM TurBoss: 🥳
01:39 AM TurBoss: ⛅️
01:39 AM Lcvette1: turboss killed i today!
01:39 AM Lcvette1: * turboss killed it today!
01:39 AM TurBoss: :O
01:39 AM TurBoss: who
01:39 AM TurBoss: lol
01:39 AM Lcvette1: \o/
01:39 AM TurBoss: wan't me
01:39 AM Lcvette1: many victories
01:39 AM TurBoss: \o/
01:39 AM Lcvette1: \o/
01:39 AM Lcvette1: ok get some rest, im gonna go gety some sleep too
01:45 AM TurBoss: all Glory to the VTK
01:45 AM Lcvette1: VCTK FTW
01:45 AM Lcvette1: * VCT FTW
01:45 AM Lcvette1: :D
01:45 AM TurBoss: :P
01:45 AM Lcvette1: night turboss!
01:45 AM TurBoss: k
01:45 AM TurBoss: n8
01:45 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss pushed 031 commit to 03VTK_Lather [+0/-0/±1] 13https://git.io/JfKPc
01:45 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07TurBoss 03bb2124e - use tuple as parameter
01:45 AM Lcvette1: hey think about how we could make the part show
01:45 AM Lcvette1: :o
01:54 AM Joco[m]: You guys have been busy.
04:50 AM Joco[m]: back from workshop. Dialed in my M6 threadmill recipe to perfection
04:51 AM Joco[m]: 0.0125mm difference between a tight/smooth finger driven fit and a smooth but looser fit.
04:52 AM Joco[m]: Lcvette: would you believe it that a PDO of 0.9375mm gives the best fit. On a 5mm hole for M6 thread.
05:02 AM JT-Cave: morning
05:09 AM Joco[m]: morning JT
05:12 AM * JT-Cave watches chicken TV and sips his first cup of joe
05:22 AM TurBoss: morning
05:49 AM Joco[m]: spent a big chunk of the evening dialing in an m6 threadmill recipe. But nailed it
05:52 AM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07joco-nz synchronize pull request 03#35: Editor enhance2 - 13https://git.io/JfatA
09:26 AM hazzy-m: morning
09:28 AM roguish[m]: good morning from way out west....
09:30 AM Lcvette1: morning
09:31 AM Lcvette1: Joco: thats your machine having some issues i think
09:31 AM Lcvette1: likely backlash and or stiction in axis direction transition
09:32 AM Lcvette1: 6mm-5mm = 1mm
09:34 AM Lcvette1: it could also be your tool diameter is off in fusion
09:36 AM * Lcvette1 uploaded an image: image.png (18KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/jehHFJxzOrgpVGOCDyeSfgns >
09:36 AM Lcvette1: this is from the prts im cutting right now and the fit is nice and snug.
09:39 AM Lcvette1: well the first one anyhow, need to bumpo feedrate back up
09:39 AM Lcvette1: but cutting $60 chunks of stock
09:39 AM Lcvette1: so don't mind taking things a little slower on these more expensive pieces
09:43 AM Lcvette1: hazzy: you pushed a dro widget?
09:43 AM Lcvette1: it works?
09:43 AM Lcvette1: :o
09:43 AM Lcvette1: ?
10:15 AM Lcvette1: turboss, do you know why the lathe moves during a tool change?
10:15 AM Lcvette1: i can't seem to find where/why its moving
10:17 AM * Lcvette1 sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/izfHeNluTPmFQhRHEEVJsbbz >
10:17 AM Lcvette1: i think found
10:17 AM Lcvette1: im gonnamake that user definable in the gui instead
10:19 AM TurBoss: ok
10:21 AM Lcvette1: \o/
10:21 AM Lcvette1: tuirboss is here!
10:21 AM Lcvette1: :D
10:21 AM Lcvette1: * turboss is here!
10:25 AM TurBoss: hello
10:28 AM Lcvette1: hurray!
10:28 AM Lcvette1: in gui tool change offwsert works!
10:28 AM Lcvette1: :D
10:28 AM Lcvette1: and is persistent!
10:29 AM TurBoss: great
10:29 AM TurBoss: there is only some bug that doesn't reset 0
10:29 AM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07Lcvette pushed 031 commit to 03master [+0/-0/±6] 13https://git.io/JfKbo
10:29 AM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07Lcvette 03c7dcd23 - fixed tool table and tool change position setup in gui
10:30 AM Lcvette1: reet 0?
10:30 AM Lcvette1: * reset 0?
10:30 AM Lcvette1: you mean that doesn't que up the current tool in the main panel?
10:30 AM TurBoss: reset 0 offset in some time doesn't rest to 0
10:30 AM Lcvette1: think i can resilve that
10:31 AM Lcvette1: oh oh
10:31 AM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07KurtJacobson pushed 031 commit to 03gh-pages [+88/-0/±0] 13https://git.io/JfKbP
10:31 AM Lcvette1: i meant the tool change position
10:31 AM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07traviscibot 03ed1c4d0 - Deploy kcjengr/probe_basic to github.com/kcjengr/probe_basic.git:gh-pages
10:31 AM TurBoss: ok
10:32 AM * Lcvette1 uploaded an image: Screenshot_2020-05-30_11-23-15.png (39KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/EvGjqJfqIEuUixaUZxxosaWN >
10:32 AM Lcvette1: this
10:32 AM Lcvette1: set G30 instead of it being static in the ini hidden, now the user can define where the machine goes on a tool change
10:32 AM Lcvette1: in the gui
10:38 AM Lcvette1: turboss ^^^
10:38 AM Lcvette1: :D
10:38 AM Lcvette1: \o/
10:38 AM TurBoss: what?
10:38 AM Lcvette1: pushed
10:38 AM TurBoss: hurraY!
10:38 AM TurBoss: lol
10:39 AM Lcvette1: hurrray!
10:40 AM Lcvette1: oh wait, not working
10:40 AM Lcvette1: need to fix
10:40 AM Lcvette1: /o\
11:04 AM TurBoss: Lcvette: pythuoon book
11:04 AM TurBoss: https://github.com/joaoventura/full-speed-python/releases/download/v0.4.3/full-speed-python.epub
11:05 AM Lcvette1: whats this?
11:05 AM TurBoss: https://github.com/joaoventura/full-speed-python/releases/download/v0.4.3/full-speed-python.pdf
11:05 AM TurBoss: 40 page python book
11:05 AM Lcvette1: good resource
11:05 AM Lcvette1: :D
11:33 AM Lcvette1: something is making the tool go back to 0
11:33 AM Lcvette1: and i can't find it
11:48 AM Lcvette1: im an idiot
11:48 AM Lcvette1: i fixed
11:48 AM Lcvette1: but im curious about entering a tool change position by entering just a number
11:49 AM Lcvette1: nevermind it works that way the way i did it
11:49 AM Lcvette1: lcvette forgets things
11:49 AM Lcvette1: madcow
11:49 AM Lcvette1: /o\
12:01 PM Lcvette1: works
12:01 PM Lcvette1: Hurray!
12:01 PM Lcvette1: :D
12:03 PM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07Lcvette pushed 031 commit to 03master [+1/-0/±5] 13https://git.io/JfKxd
12:03 PM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07Lcvette 036c47bf5 - fixed set/goto toolchange position
12:04 PM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07KurtJacobson pushed 031 commit to 03gh-pages [+88/-0/±0] 13https://git.io/JfKxA
12:04 PM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07traviscibot 03c0c3548 - Deploy kcjengr/probe_basic to github.com/kcjengr/probe_basic.git:gh-pages
01:02 PM Lcvette1: TurBoss: \o/
01:02 PM Lcvette1: fixed the tool change stuff
01:02 PM Lcvette1: now starts and displays the loaded tool in the box
01:03 PM Lcvette1: also did some work on the tool touch off page
01:03 PM Lcvette1: got it ready for the motion stuff i think
01:12 PM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07Lcvette pushed 031 commit to 03master [+1/-0/±2] 13https://git.io/JfKhz
01:12 PM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07Lcvette 03b73a94b - fixed tool change display vcplineedits, added tool change to touch panel
01:13 PM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07KurtJacobson pushed 031 commit to 03gh-pages [+88/-0/±0] 13https://git.io/JfKha
01:13 PM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07traviscibot 03e3f6a48 - Deploy kcjengr/probe_basic to github.com/kcjengr/probe_basic.git:gh-pages
01:18 PM Lcvette1: hazzy: how is the dro thing coming?
02:07 PM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07RDTymko opened issue 03#14: Quick install process issue... - 13https://git.io/Jf6eu
02:41 PM Joco[m]: morning
02:42 PM Joco[m]: Lcvette: yes - probably some backlash. Will remeasure this morning and put compensation in. Last time I measured x/y were under 0.01mm.
02:52 PM roguish[m]: Joco: hey. been watching a bit. if you have lead screws, .01mm is very good.
02:52 PM roguish[m]: that's .0004 inch
02:52 PM Joco[m]: ball screws
02:52 PM Joco[m]: but not high grade
02:52 PM Joco[m]: chinese imports
02:52 PM roguish[m]: ok. still not too bad.
02:53 PM Lcvette1: 0.01mm?
02:53 PM roguish[m]: country doesn't matter, just the quality. i've been in bearing factories in china.
02:53 PM Joco[m]: I need to remeasure. he machine is still wearing in
02:54 PM roguish[m]: some make bearing for lots of big name US and EU companies.
02:54 PM roguish[m]: some make shit
02:54 PM Joco[m]: oh yeah- they build to a price.
02:54 PM Lcvette1: 0.000397" backlash?
02:54 PM Joco[m]: So more $$ will get better grade
02:55 PM roguish[m]: maybe. gotta read the specs carefully, stick to the known brands.
02:55 PM Lcvette1: i wouldn't even run BC if its that low
02:55 PM Lcvette1: how did you measure it?
02:55 PM Joco[m]: <Lcvette1 "0.000397" backlash?"> yes - last time I measured. But something could have loosened.
02:56 PM Joco[m]: Dial indicator
02:56 PM Lcvette1: ya think?
02:56 PM Lcvette1: not a tape measure?]
02:56 PM Lcvette1: lol
02:56 PM Lcvette1: i mean the procedure
02:56 PM Lcvette1: :D
02:57 PM Lcvette1: * not a tape measure?
02:57 PM roguish[m]: I've been tweaking my probe in. to get the ball centered in the spindle. can't get it under .0002. finally realized why. that's the distance of 1 count on the encoders that I have. oh well.
02:57 PM Joco[m]: zero DI move out then back
02:57 PM Lcvette1: that won't give you an accurate reading
02:58 PM Lcvette1: i suspected that was the method
02:58 PM Joco[m]: our was it just move out
02:58 PM Joco[m]: been a hile
02:58 PM Lcvette1: you need to setup a set of 123 blocks
02:58 PM Lcvette1: raise one on a parallel
02:58 PM Lcvette1: to make a ridge
02:58 PM roguish[m]: Lcvette: that's how i've measured my mill backlash
02:59 PM roguish[m]: ID or OD of a 65mm x 100mm bearing. figure it's pretty accurate.
02:59 PM roguish[m]: and Sterrat 123 blocks.
03:00 PM Lcvette1: if you just back off until movement you have a lot of binding from stiction with dovetail machines
03:00 PM Lcvette1: roguish: what probe?
03:00 PM roguish[m]: i have a Tormach brand probe.
03:00 PM Lcvette1: ah
03:01 PM roguish[m]: very similar to your friend's
03:01 PM roguish[m]: design.
03:01 PM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07Haarie starred 03probe_basic - 13https://git.io/Jf6fs
03:01 PM Lcvette1: they all pretty much are the same tripod design
03:02 PM Joco[m]: ok - so zero DI on a reference point then back off until movemnet?
03:02 PM Lcvette1: some are better then others
03:02 PM roguish[m]: Lcvette: exactly.
03:03 PM roguish[m]: Lcvette: i was runnign the haaas vf4 for drilling long slender tracks again.
03:03 PM roguish[m]: the gear change messed, again. the machine is a 1996, and tired
03:03 PM Lcvette1: i have not tried the tormach but i have tried the wildhorse, and the IMService
03:03 PM Lcvette1: the wildhorse was not bad but the other was pure garbage
03:04 PM Lcvette1: nice!
03:04 PM roguish[m]: you're right , they're all based on the old Renishaw desing
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03:05 PM roguish[m]: anyway, the VF4 is worth more for parts than all together. and if the gearbox truly fails, the machine will be dead.
03:05 PM Lcvette1: this is the first decent test i did to check how good the tram is on the machine
03:06 PM Lcvette1: guage is 0.00005"
03:06 PM roguish[m]: so, been thinking about designing a building a drilling rig to drill long (like 20') lengths.
03:07 PM roguish[m]: not sure if i want to move the head, or move the stock.
03:08 PM roguish[m]: video. there's a bit of variance. how true is the surface block? they can be out also.
03:08 PM Lcvette1: moving the stock will require twice the length of shop space
03:08 PM Lcvette1: but likely be cheaper and easier to build
03:09 PM Lcvette1: so if you had to drill holes down the full 20' length you will beed 20' on each side of the drill head
03:09 PM roguish[m]: Lcvette: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWqThb9Z1jk
03:09 PM Lcvette1: if the head moves you will beed only 20' but need to make motion 20' long
03:10 PM roguish[m]: Lcvette: that's a very good point.
03:10 PM Lcvette1: yeah, i watched that a while back
03:11 PM roguish[m]: he's a friend.
03:11 PM roguish[m]: very nice guy
03:12 PM Lcvette1: for what im trying to accomplish, <0.0005" is plenty good
03:12 PM Lcvette1: over 8"
03:12 PM Lcvette1: hardly anything
03:12 PM Lcvette1: anything more i think grinding would be easiest
03:13 PM roguish[m]: that's good you realize and understand what is needed versus wanted. most don't get it.
03:14 PM roguish[m]: guys worrying about accuracy and shit when they're machines are plywood and extrusions.
03:14 PM Lcvette1: people who smirk when they see results like that because they want it to not move at all, they think that big needle movement is the end of the world, i set calipers to 0.0005" and tell them to hold it up to the light for an idea how small that is
03:15 PM Lcvette1: they usually are like oh never mind that fine
03:15 PM Lcvette1: lol
03:16 PM roguish[m]: just get a much coarser indicator for show.
03:16 PM Lcvette1: the part this is bolting too on the G0704 im almost positive is not nearly as flat and parallel
03:16 PM roguish[m]: .1 per tick
03:16 PM Lcvette1: hahahaha
03:16 PM Lcvette1: yeah this was for me\
03:17 PM Lcvette1: i use a 50 millionth indicator because I want toknow the accuracy right off the machine for future reference
03:17 PM Lcvette1: see how things wear in
03:17 PM Lcvette1: hell my granite plate is a grade B
03:17 PM Lcvette1: so its within the tolerance spec of the surface plate over 24"
03:18 PM roguish[m]: gotta know the limitations. i know my mill's, and I don't take work I can't properly do.
03:18 PM Lcvette1: lol
03:19 PM Lcvette1: when i set the part down on the plate, it floated around, i was pretty sure at that point it was good enough without putting a dti on it
03:19 PM roguish[m]: exaggerations or fibs only cause lots of trouble.
03:19 PM Lcvette1: lol
03:19 PM Lcvette1: yeah
03:19 PM Lcvette1: im not wanting the headache of unrealiztc expectations
03:19 PM roguish[m]: can you 'ring' it onto the plate? so you can't pull it off
03:20 PM Lcvette1: can add some vaseline to the edges and push it down and the vacuum with make getting up tough
03:20 PM Lcvette1: have to slide to an edge
03:20 PM Joco[m]: ok - found a video of the measurement method. Get what you were on about Lcvette. Will do that later. Suspect have more backlash than thought
03:21 PM Lcvette1: doubel or single ballnuts?
03:21 PM Lcvette1: * double or single ballnuts?
03:21 PM Joco[m]: single
03:21 PM Joco[m]: its a simple build
03:21 PM Lcvette1: C7?
03:21 PM Joco[m]: not sure to be honest. Have C6 in my head
03:22 PM Lcvette1: well try C5 C7
03:22 PM Lcvette1: lol those are the steps
03:22 PM Lcvette1: C1, C3, C5, C7
03:22 PM Lcvette1: they skip even numbers
03:22 PM Joco[m]: then no idea
03:22 PM Lcvette1: well C5 cost about a grand a set
03:22 PM Lcvette1: they are ground
03:22 PM Joco[m]: wont be those
03:22 PM Lcvette1: C7 cost about $150 set and are rolled
03:23 PM Joco[m]: assume c7
03:23 PM Lcvette1: ok so C7 single nut generally have a range of 0.0015 -0.0025" deopending on how lucky you are
03:24 PM Lcvette1: double nut C7's will usualy get you in the 0.00025" - 0.000125" range depending on how lucky you are
03:24 PM Joco[m]: yup - wouldn't surprise me.
03:24 PM Lcvette1: * double nut C7's will usualy get you in the 0.00025" - 0.00125" range depending on how lucky you are
03:24 PM Joco[m]: Will do the measurements, get the value and whack it into the ini file
03:25 PM Joco[m]: Then run another trial hole
03:25 PM Lcvette1: when you test run it at at feed rate speed
03:25 PM Lcvette1: sas that is where you will be machining
03:25 PM Joco[m]: rgr
03:26 PM Lcvette1: tricking it into a lower reading by using rapids and letting inertia take out some of the BL won't serve you
03:26 PM Joco[m]: agree
03:26 PM Lcvette1: you ar elearning all the secrets
03:26 PM Lcvette1: * you are learning all the secrets
03:26 PM Joco[m]: lol - I need teaching
03:26 PM Lcvette1: have you trammed your machine?
03:26 PM Joco[m]: But happy to learn. :-)
03:27 PM Joco[m]: yes. Took ages. It's not perfect front to back but for class work I play with it's good enough
03:27 PM Lcvette1: is the front to back from column out of tram or the head?
03:28 PM Joco[m]: side-to-side is sub 0.01 on the DTI over a 200mm circle
03:28 PM Lcvette1: ie did you get the z axis sweep trammed front to back
03:28 PM Lcvette1: but what about the column?
03:28 PM Joco[m]: did same on colum
03:28 PM Lcvette1: thats the first thing you have to get right
03:29 PM Joco[m]: side to side it very good. Front to back is ok
03:29 PM Lcvette1: have to shim it
03:29 PM Joco[m]: yeah - not done that yet. Will get to it when start chasing higher tolerances
03:30 PM Joco[m]: from measurements need to shim the bottom as its leaning back ever so slightly
03:30 PM Lcvette1: shimming the column is the very first step in getting everything else right
03:30 PM Lcvette1: :D
03:30 PM Joco[m]: It's close enought for what I am doing.
03:31 PM Joco[m]: at some point I'll get more fussy. Maybe when I pull everything off to do the full enclosure.
03:31 PM Joco[m]: At the moment, learning and having fun.
03:32 PM Lcvette1: \o/
03:32 PM Lcvette1: ok im gonna go have some fun now too
03:32 PM Lcvette1: have to finish uyp some more parts
03:32 PM Joco[m]: actually - when do fill enclosure I might take the collumn right off and put in adjuster set screws
03:32 PM roguish[m]: check this out. https://nscnc.com/products/mira-x7/
03:33 PM Lcvette1: i would not do that
03:33 PM Lcvette1: shim it
03:33 PM Joco[m]: more contact point with shim?
03:33 PM Lcvette1: you don't want the full weight of the column resting on two little set screws
03:34 PM Lcvette1: yes, shim with give much better clamping support
03:34 PM Joco[m]: at the moment my shim stock consists of soda can ali. Guess I'm gonna need to get some proper stuff?
03:35 PM Lcvette1: machinists have various sizes of shim stock in stock always
03:35 PM Lcvette1: its not expensive
03:35 PM Joco[m]: the brass stuff is
03:35 PM Lcvette1: why use brass
03:35 PM Joco[m]: steel/ss is cheap
03:35 PM Lcvette1: yup
03:36 PM Lcvette1: for the column my secret is using large round shims
03:36 PM Joco[m]: why round?
03:36 PM Lcvette1: i cut them in half and set them around the top portion ot the upper bolts
03:36 PM Lcvette1: trim them at the edges with a razor once installed
03:36 PM Lcvette1: and clamped
03:37 PM Lcvette1: that way you get bearing all around where the clamping force is
03:37 PM Joco[m]: k
03:37 PM Lcvette1: under the head of the upper bolts
03:37 PM Joco[m]: I'll be doing that on the bottom bolts. Gonna be a pain in the ass to get stuff in there
03:37 PM Lcvette1: mcmaster has vry small adjsutment round shims as well
03:37 PM Lcvette1: yours leans backwards?
03:37 PM Joco[m]: yup
03:38 PM Lcvette1: checked with a precision square?
03:38 PM Joco[m]: think I followed hoss method from youtube
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03:39 PM Lcvette1: hoss method?
03:39 PM Lcvette1: which is?
03:40 PM Joco[m]: he did it a ccoupld of ways. one with a square and one using "rollies dads" method
03:40 PM Lcvette1: rollies dads?
03:41 PM Lcvette1: come on man
03:41 PM Joco[m]: lol - all the evil approach the hobbiests use to get around not having all the clever gear
03:41 PM Lcvette1: you mean a round in the spindle?
03:41 PM Joco[m]: yup
03:41 PM Lcvette1: thats absolutely utterly useless
03:41 PM Lcvette1: need a precision square
03:41 PM Lcvette1: for solumn alignment
03:42 PM Lcvette1: it is the ONLY method that will give you accurate tramming input
03:42 PM Joco[m]: don't have one
03:42 PM Lcvette1: the spindle tram is dependent on the column tram and its own tram
03:42 PM Lcvette1: get one
03:42 PM Lcvette1: your a machinist
03:42 PM Lcvette1: :F
03:42 PM Lcvette1: * 😁 they aren't too bad
03:42 PM Lcvette1: shars has them for under $40
03:43 PM Lcvette1: fora decent sizes precision piece
03:43 PM Joco[m]: no im a weekend hobbiest. There is no way in a month of sundays I can justify a precision square - assuming we are talking about the same thing
03:43 PM Lcvette1: * for a decent sized precision piece
03:44 PM Lcvette1: https://www.shars.com/12-x-8-hardened-precision-steel-squares-straight-edge-squares
03:45 PM Lcvette1: $$42
03:45 PM Lcvette1: * $42
03:45 PM Lcvette1: 12" x 8"
03:45 PM Lcvette1: good to 0.00044" over 12"
03:45 PM Lcvette1: plenty good for head tramming
03:45 PM Lcvette1: thats a very useful tool
03:45 PM Joco[m]: ok - we are not talking the same thing. phew
03:46 PM Joco[m]: I have something like that. Might not be quite as large tgough
03:46 PM Lcvette1: no im not gonna recomend you buy a granite tri square for $300 for a BF20
03:46 PM Lcvette1: but that square is well worthwhile owning
03:46 PM Lcvette1: it good for squaring stock in vises, checking square on finished parts
03:47 PM Lcvette1: its a staple tool in my shop
03:47 PM Joco[m]: $300USD turns into circa $500NZD plus %15 tax plus shipping which will be about 200-300NZD
03:47 PM Joco[m]: due to the weight
03:48 PM Lcvette1: well you should start a list of things you will want to get things going good
03:48 PM Joco[m]: I priced them here. they start at $800NZD
03:48 PM Lcvette1: then as hobby funds become available knock the list down one at a time
03:48 PM Lcvette1: you have a nice lathe
03:48 PM Joco[m]: its on the "would be nice to own" list. Would need to have some paying projects to justify.
03:48 PM Lcvette1: you could make some tool holders
03:49 PM Joco[m]: plan is to get the cnc up and running a bit better then get back into some models I have been delaying
03:50 PM Lcvette1: models?
03:50 PM Lcvette1: liuke airplanes, ships etc
03:50 PM Lcvette1: or?
03:50 PM Joco[m]: small IC engine that I have started, Have plans for a 1/2HP steam engine I would like to do
03:53 PM Lcvette1: Nice
03:53 PM Lcvette1: I think hoss made so e tool holders
03:53 PM Joco[m]: looking at that square - I have a 7"x5" precision ground one.
03:53 PM Lcvette1: That would be a very good fun project
03:54 PM Lcvette1: Great!
03:54 PM Joco[m]: I have made tools holders for the lathe
03:54 PM Lcvette1: Make tts holder for the mill
03:54 PM Joco[m]: I also have a restoration project to do. I have a little 10" Alba A1 shaper.
03:54 PM Joco[m]: Yup - had thos as an idea as well
03:55 PM Joco[m]: How wide is the seating flange on them?
03:55 PM Lcvette1: Although $9 PC to buy them is hard to justify for myself
03:55 PM Joco[m]: That would set the sized round I would need to have
03:55 PM Joco[m]: I like making tools. :)
03:56 PM Joco[m]: I useually make a few then once I have proven I can do it, if I need real quantity I buy.
03:56 PM Joco[m]: did that with lathe tool holders. made 3-4. Then decided they were the thing and bough 12
03:57 PM Joco[m]: made my own knurler, made a bar bender.
03:57 PM Lcvette1: 1.496"
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03:58 PM Joco[m]: cheers
03:58 PM Joco[m]: so would need some 40mm round
03:59 PM Joco[m]: nice collection
04:00 PM Lcvette1: 50mm
04:01 PM Lcvette1: Yes 40mm
04:02 PM Joco[m]: want to make some more progress some time today on editor.
04:05 PM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07TurBoss commented on issue 03#14: Quick install process issue... - 13https://git.io/Jf6JX
04:06 PM TurBoss: hello
04:16 PM Joco[m]: morning
04:29 PM Not-944e: [02probe_basic] 07TurBoss commented on issue 03#14: Quick install process issue... - 13https://git.io/Jf6UG
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04:30 PM TurBoss: Lcvette: the installer needs the ",run" extension
04:46 PM Lcvette1: TurBoss: i dunno what is
04:46 PM Lcvette1: /o\
04:47 PM TurBoss: the installer needs to be renamed befor upload
04:47 PM * JT-Cave just got back from a 200 mile trip for a chocolate covered ice cream cone and just loves the Borla exhaust
04:54 PM Lcvette1: yeah, borla makes nice quality exhuast systems
04:55 PM Lcvette1: how is the highway cruising speed drone?
04:55 PM Lcvette1: gone?
04:56 PM Lcvette1: I run BB-Triflow on the C4 vettes and they have a small rpm window that drones but if you are just above or below it quiets right down
04:56 PM JT[m]: Gone, nice sound
04:56 PM Lcvette1: of course the drone speed is right at the safe interstate highway speed..lol ~78-79mph
04:57 PM JT[m]: We take the back roads there and highway back
04:58 PM Lcvette1: nice!
05:02 PM JT[m]: Wife is sorta getting used to how well it corners lol
05:04 PM Lcvette1: hahahaha
05:14 PM Joco[m]: > * <@freenode_JT-Cave:matrix.org> just got back from a 200 mile trip for a chocolate covered ice cream cone and just loves the Borla exhaust
05:14 PM Joco[m]: thats a lotta travel for an icecream :)
05:34 PM JT[m]: It's one of our favorite rides through the Ozark foothills
05:44 PM hazzy-m: I’ve found that most backlash is in the screw end bearings, especially with cheap blocks
05:50 PM Lcvette1: if you are using FK or BK blocks from china yes they often come with plain ball bearings not AC bearings
05:51 PM Lcvette1: if you upgrade the bearings, the only cheap option is a 40deg AC bearing, make sure you don't get the 15deg angle AC bearings as they have much less axial support than the 40's
05:52 PM Lcvette1: true ballscrew bvearing blocks come with high contact patch 60 degree AC bearings in matched sets
05:53 PM Lcvette1: i found a paper online from an MIT experiement comparing a 60deg AC bearing with high contact to a Tapered Roller bearing, it was a very good read. I am going to be convertting my little machines over to Tapered roller end bearings and pre bed them in with high speed for smooth operation
05:56 PM Lcvette1: http://web.mit.edu/2.70/Lecture%20Materials/Documents/Week%2004/PMD%20Topic%2015%20Rolling%20rotary.pdf
06:02 PM hazzy-m: Lcvette: I’ve even seen the end bearings be the main source of backlash on haas machines
06:02 PM hazzy-m: That a good article
06:03 PM hazzy-m: I spent the extra money for the tapered bearings on my conversion, still pretty junky, but i turned spacers to preload them properly and they’re ok
06:08 PM TurBoss: Lcvette: you on dev?
06:11 PM Lcvette1: yo
06:11 PM Lcvette1: lcvette just snapped 2 half inch endmills
06:11 PM Lcvette1: well snapped one dropped the other and broke a corner off
06:11 PM Lcvette1: not been a good afternoon
06:12 PM TurBoss: :/
06:12 PM TurBoss: a guy is having issues running the installer
06:12 PM Lcvette1: back in a few minutes, need to run the final op on a part
06:12 PM TurBoss: ok
06:12 PM TurBoss: not a problem
06:33 PM roguish[m]: hazzy: did you stretch your ballscrews? big bearing at each end and pre-load like hell ???? like preloading a bolt.
06:38 PM roguish[m]: do you have active cooling in the ballscrew and ballnut? (flowing coolant....)
06:47 PM Joco[m]: Done measurements. Backlash as follows x=0.035 Y=0.02 and z=0.075
06:50 PM Joco[m]: I think there is something more going on with Z. Bit will dive into that when doing the servo/belt conversion for spindle motor.
06:51 PM Joco[m]: Set backlash Comp and x and y are now bang on.
07:12 PM roguish[m]: Joco: mm or inches?
07:23 PM Joco[m]: mm. What else is there? ROFL
07:24 PM Joco[m]: As soon as I see inches talked about out comes the calculator and I start times everything by 25.4
07:30 PM Joco[m]: Walking on the beach. So relaxing.
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07:30 PM roguish[m]: yeah, you''re down under, right? aussie with and accent.
07:31 PM Joco[m]: AUSSIE!! No. Kiwi.
07:31 PM roguish[m]: you near Otohuhu?
07:31 PM Joco[m]: That’s like calling an American a Canadian
07:31 PM roguish[m]: or a Cuban a Puerto Rican....
07:32 PM Joco[m]: Yup
07:32 PM roguish[m]: I have a few Kiwi friends down there.
07:32 PM Joco[m]: down here at the butt end of the world.
07:32 PM Joco[m]: Nice and quiet though
07:33 PM roguish[m]: one of the very few places I would ever consider living
07:41 PM roguish[m]: ttfn steak on the bb.
07:41 PM Joco[m]: Rgr
07:43 PM Lcvette1: TurBoss: yo
07:43 PM Lcvette1: back for a few minutes
07:43 PM Lcvette1: whatcha got?
07:43 PM Lcvette1: :D
07:44 PM Lcvette1: \o/
07:49 PM Joco[m]: Cake.
08:04 PM hazzy-m: roguish: I was referring to preloading the tapered roller bearing pair, not tensioning the ball screw, though that’s also a good way to reduce screw whip
08:07 PM Joco[m]: hazzy: slowly working on editor. Dang fiddly working out how to cope with qsci’s quirks and expectations.
08:10 PM Joco[m]: I think I might need to remove more stuff from init driven initialisation and have it driven off when the the framework uses the style sheet.
08:25 PM hazzy-m: Can you push what you’re working on and show me where the issues are? I can take a look in an our or so
08:26 PM hazzy-m: * Jock: Can you push what you’re working on and show me where the issues are? I can take a look in an our or so
08:26 PM hazzy-m: * Joco: Can you push what you’re working on and show me where the issues are? I can take a look in an our or so
08:27 PM Lcvette1: hazzy: you used tapered roller bearings?
08:34 PM Lcvette1: \o/
08:35 PM Joco[m]: <hazzy-m " Can you push what you’re workin"> it should already by in the pull request
08:36 PM Joco[m]: just planning out how the calls from the QSS happen. One of the tests I can easily work on is changing font via QSS
08:36 PM Joco[m]: once I have that cracked then will be moving on to the syntax colours
08:38 PM hazzy-m: Joco: it should be pretty straight forward if you set the property type to font
08:39 PM Joco[m]: I have done it. Getting the info moving from QSS into the python prog for use us easy. Getting qsci to do what I want is proving to be a little more entertaining.
08:39 PM Joco[m]: But just balancing time between this and doing real things in workshop
09:19 PM Joco[m]: At the moment I am getting odd stuff with how fonts are being applied.
09:19 PM Joco[m]: it keeps defaulting to Courier.
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09:24 PM TurBoss: self renderer is vtk stuff
09:24 PM Joco[m]: yup - doing a similar pattern
09:25 PM Joco[m]: but I have made my getter this:
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09:26 PM Joco[m]: its not actually a font but the font base name
09:28 PM TurBoss: debug step by step is glorious!
09:28 PM TurBoss: thanks Joco
09:28 PM Joco[m]: yup - its a must in my view
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09:33 PM TurBoss: this i sa QFont property
09:33 PM TurBoss: i mean not a string
09:41 PM Joco[m]: i'm trying to do it so settings will flow from qss
09:43 PM TurBoss: Oh
09:43 PM TurBoss: yes true
09:43 PM Joco[m]: that is what is adding the complexity to the process.
09:45 PM Lcvette1: Turboss is here! \o/
09:45 PM TurBoss: \o/
09:46 PM TurBoss: hello
09:46 PM TurBoss: Lcvette: there is an issue with the latest installer upload
09:47 PM TurBoss: there was
09:47 PM Joco[m]: Lcvette: hi sport. Get those parts done? I saw you trashed a couple of endmills
09:47 PM Lcvette1: Oh?
09:47 PM Lcvette1: Yeah and it got worse, broke a finger on the atc
09:47 PM TurBoss: the file that plops from qtcreator need a file etension .run
09:47 PM Lcvette1: Dropped another tool into the part
09:47 PM TurBoss: you got hurt?
09:48 PM Lcvette1: No jo
09:48 PM TurBoss: then is fine lol
09:48 PM Lcvette1: * No no
09:48 PM Joco[m]: one of the plastic fingers on the ATC?
09:49 PM Lcvette1: Dirk on the ATC
09:49 PM Lcvette1: Fork
09:49 PM Lcvette1: Yes
09:49 PM TurBoss: oh ok
09:49 PM Joco[m]: shite
09:49 PM Joco[m]: sounds the gremlins are out in force
09:50 PM Lcvette1: Was my own doing
09:50 PM Joco[m]: I have relations over. So hurting my shop time
09:50 PM Joco[m]: lol - my standard excuse is "the f'ing shop elves did it"
09:50 PM Joco[m]: or if I loose/misplace something "the shop elves are hiding my stuff again"
09:51 PM Lcvette1: Lol
09:51 PM Lcvette1: My alert ego stores things in place i can't find
09:51 PM Lcvette1: * My alter ego stores things in place i can't find
09:51 PM Joco[m]: lol - yup - all the same style.
09:52 PM Joco[m]: bloody alter egos and shop elves are all in league together
09:53 PM Joco[m]: hmmm ... I think I have just stumbled across what might be causing me one of my font issues in editor
09:56 PM TurBoss: * the file that plops from qtcreator need a file extension .run
09:58 PM Joco[m]: ok - i have font changing working from QSS
09:59 PM Joco[m]: I now need to sort out why the background color of the editor is falling back to white
10:00 PM Joco[m]: on a font change. Something is getting zeroed out somewhere.
10:00 PM Joco[m]: BUT have font driven from QSS now
10:02 PM TurBoss: Great!
10:03 PM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07joco-nz synchronize pull request 03#35: Editor enhance2 - 13https://git.io/JfatA
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10:06 PM TurBoss: bravo!
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10:08 PM Joco[m]: so a little bit of a win.
10:50 PM Joco[m]: Lcvette: think I need some advice. Went through and measured backlash as you described with a little help from a couple of videos to make sure I had it right. Identified the amounts to fix. Set the compensation in linuxcnc. Remeasured and backlash correctly compensated for. So, re ran the threadmill prog. But decided to start with the same PDO I had before. 0.94mm. And I get a good fit. I have check the cutting
10:50 PM Joco[m]: diamter on the tool which is 4.8mm. Have also measured that and I get 4.8mm. It is quite possible this mill has no flat on the cutting tooth. So I'm a little at a loss. :-/
11:00 PM Joco[m]: Lcvette: If you are able to could you post a pic of how you define one of your single point threadmills in fusion. The tab that has the tool picture with all the measurements on it.
11:01 PM Lcvette1: Yeah that tool may not have a crest on it
11:05 PM Joco[m]: still keen to see how you define one of these in fusion. If easy to post pic. Else if prefer I can post one of my definitions and you can tell me if anything wrong
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11:05 PM Joco[m]: snap llol - THANKS
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11:07 PM Joco[m]: so the flute length/thread pitch values are just arbatory? Measured?
11:07 PM Lcvette1: are your steps per unit set correctly?
11:08 PM Joco[m]: yes - cose I get correct position and distance otherwise
11:08 PM Lcvette1: ?
11:08 PM Joco[m]: i.e. if I spec holes to be 10mm aparart they are
11:09 PM Joco[m]: I believe.
11:09 PM Lcvette1: Joco
11:09 PM Lcvette1: so the flute length/thread pitch values are just arbatory? Measured?
11:09 PM Lcvette1: ^^^?
11:09 PM Lcvette1: thread pitch is for the pitch of the thread your cutting
11:09 PM Lcvette1: M6x1.0
11:09 PM Lcvette1: etc
11:10 PM Lcvette1: I program in inches
11:10 PM Joco[m]: in the geometry of the tool. Where did you get the 0.5" for the Flute Length value and Thread Pitch Values
11:10 PM Lcvette1: so that is the translation
11:10 PM Lcvette1: thats the cutting l;ength depth of the tool
11:10 PM Joco[m]: opps
11:10 PM Joco[m]: 0.5" and 0.05"
11:11 PM Lcvette1: 1mm/25.4 = 0.0393701 in
11:11 PM Joco[m]: oh I see. I think. You are calling thin part of the tool shaft the flute length?
11:12 PM Lcvette1: that is the length of cut of ther tool
11:12 PM Lcvette1: ie flute length
11:12 PM Joco[m]: yeah. It just happens to only have a single row of teeth at the bottom
11:13 PM Joco[m]: That are 0.05" thick?
11:13 PM Joco[m]: i.e. about 1.3mm
11:13 PM Lcvette1: my tool tapers from the thats not important
11:14 PM Lcvette1: its a 60 degree cutter
11:14 PM Lcvette1: the diameter is all that is important
11:14 PM Lcvette1: as long as you are not trying to cut a thread deeper than that tool is designed for
11:14 PM Joco[m]: ok - learned something from this. Probably not going to impact anything but will tweak tool definition to be a little more correct
11:15 PM Lcvette1: sorry that was for a 1/4-20
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11:16 PM Lcvette1: there now its in mm
11:17 PM Joco[m]: interesting my too diameter is 4.8
11:17 PM Lcvette1: when you measure yours are you measuring the largers diameter possible
11:17 PM Joco[m]: yes
11:17 PM Lcvette1: ie point to point as rotated in the calibers?
11:17 PM Joco[m]: correct
11:18 PM Joco[m]: and checking against the manufacturers spec's. Getting the same data
11:18 PM Lcvette1: does manufacturer list a crerst?
11:18 PM Lcvette1: * does manufacturer list a crest?
11:18 PM Joco[m]: nah they dont
11:18 PM Lcvette1: go with whatever fits
11:18 PM Lcvette1: there is no wrong way
11:18 PM Lcvette1: it will only make the right thread one way
11:19 PM Lcvette1: and you are using a 5mm drill?
11:19 PM Joco[m]: true. Cool. Learning soo much. Really appreciate you taking the time to help.
11:19 PM Lcvette1: i use us sized drills
11:20 PM Lcvette1: 0.199"
11:20 PM Joco[m]: I have a mix for tapping. For example the M8 is tapped with 17/64 drill
11:20 PM Lcvette1: 5.0546mm
11:21 PM Joco[m]: About to test that hole. So will start with a 1.15 PDO based on experience with the M6 hole
11:21 PM Joco[m]: and creep up to find the sweet spot
11:22 PM Lcvette1: good rule is use the actual calculation
11:22 PM Lcvette1: thread size - drill size +0.1016mm
11:23 PM Lcvette1: that accounts for a 0.002" crest
11:23 PM Lcvette1: or start with the base calc without crest
11:23 PM Lcvette1: but if you are having to machine more than the size of the thread something is off i would think
11:24 PM Lcvette1: so 17/64 = 6.746875mm
11:25 PM Lcvette1: 8 - 6.746875 = 1.253125
11:25 PM Lcvette1: this should actually be too tight of a fit for the thread to go in
11:26 PM Lcvette1: o/ hola turboss!
11:26 PM Lcvette1: are you with dev?
11:26 PM TurBoss: yup
11:26 PM Lcvette1: \o/
11:26 PM Lcvette1: busy on something?
11:27 PM TurBoss: playing with pi
11:27 PM Joco[m]: well only one way to find out. Off to try another
11:27 PM Joco[m]: M8 this time
11:28 PM Lcvette1: good luck!
11:28 PM Lcvette1: \o/
11:28 PM TurBoss: Lcvette: there is a issue with the last installer of probe_basic
11:28 PM Lcvette1: victory awaits!
11:28 PM Lcvette1: what issue?
11:28 PM Lcvette1: installed fine on my test pc
11:28 PM TurBoss: the file does not have the '.run' extension
11:28 PM TurBoss: probebasicinstaller.run
11:29 PM TurBoss: ProbeBasic-2.8.run
11:29 PM Lcvette1: dunno
11:29 PM Lcvette1: i never changed it
11:29 PM TurBoss: is missing and fails
11:29 PM TurBoss: yes you need to rename from what qtcreator generates
11:29 PM TurBoss: qt creator makes the installe file
11:30 PM TurBoss: but it doesn't put the correct extension
11:30 PM TurBoss: yuo where doing allways
11:30 PM Lcvette1: i was only changing the name to the latest version
11:30 PM Lcvette1: i never added a run
11:31 PM TurBoss: oh
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11:31 PM Lcvette1: this was the last one and it works
11:31 PM TurBoss: :/
11:31 PM Lcvette1: i installed not long ago on a pc
11:31 PM TurBoss: ok
11:32 PM Lcvette1: i will test install right now
11:32 PM Lcvette1: sek
11:32 PM TurBoss: we need to fix the last vtk thing
11:32 PM TurBoss: but not today
11:42 PM Lcvette1: TurBoss: did they follow the instructions in the quickstart guide?
11:43 PM Lcvette1: you have to make the file executable
11:43 PM Lcvette1: https://kcjengr.github.io/probe_basic/quick_start.html#
11:43 PM Lcvette1: botom of page
11:43 PM Lcvette1: is that what you mean?
11:43 PM Lcvette1: i spell out how to do that
11:44 PM Lcvette1: i just downloaded the latest version and it install perfectly!
11:44 PM Lcvette1: turboss ^^^
11:45 PM TurBoss: yes
11:45 PM TurBoss: the did executable
11:45 PM TurBoss: * he did executable
11:45 PM Lcvette1: did he do all the preceeding steps?
11:45 PM Lcvette1: in the guide
11:46 PM Lcvette1: i dunno, maybe his system is different?
11:46 PM TurBoss: https://github.com/kcjengr/probe_basic/issues/14
11:46 PM Lcvette1: anyhow it is installed just now on my test pc perfect no issues
11:46 PM Lcvette1: debian 9
11:46 PM TurBoss: it happened to me on my desktop wich is not debian
11:46 PM TurBoss: I'll try on debian 10
11:47 PM Lcvette1: maybe its a debian 9 is fine but others are not
11:47 PM Lcvette1: ?
11:47 PM Lcvette1: i dunno
11:48 PM Lcvette1: i don't have debian 10 because you said its too difficult to install
11:48 PM Lcvette1: /o\
11:49 PM TurBoss: ok will try tomorrow
11:50 PM Lcvette1: Ok
11:50 PM Lcvette1: I did a bunch of work on the lathe ui this morning and some macros
11:51 PM Lcvette1: Now displays the loaded tool on start up
11:51 PM Lcvette1: \o/
11:51 PM Joco[m]: nice
11:52 PM Lcvette1: I think once hazzy finishes the drop and we get the last tool thing fixed it will be ready to test
11:52 PM Lcvette1: <Lcvette1 "I think once hazzy finishes the "> Dro thing*
11:55 PM Joco[m]: <Lcvette1 "this should actually be too tigh"> re the M8 hole - agree. Can I tell from the gcode how much the tool is actually moving over? To see if it is doing more than what I think I am telling it do from fusion? I checked two holes I had drilled using the mill and they are all bang on the measurements I expect of them for layout. So mill looks to be doing the correct movements. So something must be out of whack cose it
11:55 PM Joco[m]: looks to be taking off more than I think I am telling it to.
11:56 PM Joco[m]: Just did an m8 hole with pdo=1.15mm. Its tight but fits. Did it at 1.18mm and a really nice fit if a little looser. About to try 1.17mm as I think that will be the sweet spot.