#hazzy Logs
May 07 2020
#hazzy Calendar
12:13 AM JamesW: I think there is a file lock on the existing open program. Cose save-as works and doesn't error.
12:13 AM JamesW: can anyone remind me how to test for or find a filelock under linux?
12:19 AM JamesW[m]: lslocks
12:19 AM JamesW[m]: but nothing like linuxcnc listed. hmmmm
12:47 AM JamesW[m]: WIN
12:47 AM JamesW[m]: cracked it
12:49 AM JamesW[m]: hazzy: that stat.file needs to be str(stat.file). Cose its not returning a string but a channel data type. That was silently breaking things.
02:48 PM Lcvette: JamesW: what port on your 7i76 does the hal show being used?
02:52 PM JamesW[m]: Would it be helpful if I post my mills hal file?
02:53 PM Lcvette: sure
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02:53 PM Lcvette: this is my hal
02:54 PM Lcvette: this is my ini
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03:05 PM Lcvette: this is got me stumped
03:05 PM Lcvette: not sure why things aren't working
03:08 PM Lcvette: ok, im getting spindle relay action
03:08 PM JamesW[m]: a quick look and nothing stands out. But will do a diff with my config soon
03:08 PM Lcvette: so it musthing with the stepgens
03:08 PM JamesW[m]: 8am here still waking up :)
03:09 PM Lcvette: * so it must be something with the stepgens
03:09 PM JamesW[m]: you might need to slow the timings down?
03:10 PM JamesW[m]: the pulse and dir settings?
03:10 PM JamesW[m]: maybe try the defaults of 5000,5000,10000,10000
03:15 PM Lcvette: ok
03:15 PM Lcvette: will try
03:15 PM JamesW[m]: when I did mine I didn't move past pncconf until I had movement using the test/tune button.
03:15 PM JamesW[m]: also make sure the scale is calcd correctly
03:21 PM Lcvette: should be
03:21 PM Lcvette: using the 1600 pulse/rev setting
03:21 PM Lcvette: on the drives
03:21 PM Lcvette: and have 5mm screws
03:21 PM Lcvette: so its 1/8th microstepping
03:21 PM Lcvette: have all that set
03:22 PM Lcvette: the final steps per inch is 8xxx
03:22 PM Lcvette: which calcs out correct
03:22 PM Lcvette: spindle is working
03:22 PM Lcvette: so everything is good with the connection i would assume
03:23 PM Lcvette: just not sure whats yup with the stepper
03:23 PM Lcvette: drive green lights are on
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03:24 PM Lcvette: these should be stepgen 0 and 1 i think
03:25 PM Lcvette: unless im wrong there
03:29 PM JamesW[m]: they are 0 and 1
03:29 PM JamesW[m]: lights mean you have field and card power
03:30 PM JamesW[m]: you did say this wiring is all unchanged and worked with previous computer?
03:30 PM Lcvette: yes
03:30 PM JamesW[m]: ok - so unless you have buggered the card in some manner, unlikely, it has to be config
03:32 PM JamesW[m]: I assume when you power everything up the motors go all stiff and you can't move them?
03:34 PM Lcvette: correct
03:35 PM Lcvette: you can hear them "click" into position holding
03:35 PM JamesW[m]: good
03:36 PM Lcvette: spindle control works, fwd, rev, speed etc and it is scaled correctly
03:36 PM JamesW[m]: I'm in a conf call meeting at the moment. Once its done I'll do a diff on your ini and hal
03:36 PM JamesW[m]: so card is working
03:36 PM Lcvette: Yes
03:36 PM JamesW[m]: if spindle is under its control
03:36 PM Lcvette: Ok thanks
03:40 PM Lcvette: Tom_L (@freenode_Tom_L:matrix.org): ?
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04:05 PM Lcvette: should these show as just the 5i25? or should it be like the spindle has below?
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04:06 PM JamesW[m]: right - free now
04:07 PM Lcvette: i noticed in the stepgen section in hal that there is no mention of the 7i76
04:07 PM Lcvette: not sure if that is correct
04:08 PM JamesW[m]: I'm just about to do a diff with my config to see if anything looks really odd
04:11 PM JamesW[m]: hal connections look fine
04:13 PM Lcvette: working!!!!
04:14 PM Lcvette: \o/
04:16 PM Lcvette: well not fully
04:16 PM Lcvette: z axis is working
04:17 PM JamesW[m]: what did you change?
04:17 PM JamesW[m]: had a look at your ini and te biggest difference I can see is the stepscale
04:18 PM Lcvette: i chnged the timings back to 5k 10k
04:18 PM JamesW[m]: yours is huge compared to mine
04:18 PM Lcvette: both worked inside the pncconfig tester
04:18 PM Lcvette: but now only z works in the gui
04:18 PM JamesW[m]: ok - if it works run with it
04:19 PM JamesW[m]: that's got to be a gui setup issue. If you have both working in pncconf then your foundation setup is good
04:20 PM JamesW[m]: its the lathe gui. Which I have no experience with I'm afraid.
04:21 PM Lcvette: it is for some reason setting the step timings to ALL 5000
04:22 PM Lcvette: maybe i should set them higher?
04:22 PM JamesW[m]: you can do. The higher you make them the lower your potential top RPMs
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04:23 PM Lcvette: is that backwards?
04:23 PM JamesW[m]: yes
04:24 PM JamesW[m]: 5000,5000,10000,10000
04:24 PM JamesW[m]: from the top
04:25 PM Lcvette: so x works in testing but not in the gui with jogging
04:25 PM Lcvette: z works in bothy
04:25 PM JamesW[m]: if those settings don't work then increase the Step On and Step Space settings by 1000 until it doe
04:27 PM Lcvette: 0k this is frustrating
04:27 PM Lcvette: lol
04:28 PM JamesW[m]: my advice is get the these timings working in pncconf. Once you have moving motors in pnnconf you can finish that can call the that part done.
04:28 PM JamesW[m]: Then if not working in gui look at how the gui is configured.
04:28 PM Lcvette: that things isn't working
04:28 PM Lcvette: it won't let me change them
04:29 PM JamesW[m]: huh?
04:29 PM Lcvette: it is auto setting them to 5000 no matter what i try and change them too
04:29 PM JamesW[m]: really? Now THAT's screwy
04:43 PM JamesW[m]: I just tried it on mine and it allowed me to change the settings to whatever I wanted. :-/
04:43 PM Lcvette: mine wont
04:43 PM Lcvette: i can change it in the main pnc thing
04:43 PM JamesW[m]: you might need to start a fresh config file as an experiment
04:43 PM Lcvette: but not whiole testing
04:43 PM Lcvette: this one
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04:43 PM Lcvette: will only make them lower not higher
04:43 PM Lcvette: and they are always set at 5000
04:45 PM Lcvette: ok everything is working!!
04:45 PM Lcvette: \o/
04:45 PM Lcvette: hurray!!!
04:46 PM JamesW[m]: well thats a win. re the tuning dialog behaviour. I have the same issue. Think we just found a bug in pnccon
04:46 PM Lcvette: yes looks that way
04:46 PM Lcvette: so this tuning thing
04:47 PM Lcvette: is there a way to use the data from the manual to arrive at optimum settings?
04:49 PM JamesW[m]: well in theory the values we started with should have been pretty close to optimal
04:49 PM JamesW[m]: per the manual
04:49 PM JamesW[m]: on my system I just used the settings straight out of the manual: 2500,2500,5000,5000 and it worked
04:50 PM JamesW[m]: cose I had no need to go above 5000 I never encvoutered the bug we found
04:51 PM JamesW[m]: the thing I used the tuning for most was playing with the speed/acceleration values
04:51 PM JamesW[m]: I tinkered until I got something that was quick and didn't sound like the motors were over stressing
04:53 PM JamesW[m]: on a lathe I would guess the cross slide (X) should be pretty quick where as Z which is pushing the saddle has way more weight so acceleration might need to be dialed back a bit
04:54 PM JamesW[m]: and if acceleration is dialed back that means decleration will be slower as well so top speed might need to be a bit lower
04:57 PM Lcvette: my z has a 1200ozin stepper
04:57 PM Lcvette: plenty of grunt
04:57 PM JamesW[m]: cool. So like I said. You just need to tweak the speed/acceleration settings until you feel it is in the sweet spot
04:58 PM JamesW[m]: either the machine will start to complain through heat, sound or lost steps OR things will be going soo fast it will exceed your pucker factor.
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04:59 PM Lcvette: so this looks like is would be 3000 and 9000?
05:00 PM Lcvette: * so this looks like is would be 2500 and 9000?
05:00 PM Lcvette: * so this looks like is would be 2500 and 8500?
05:00 PM Lcvette: for minimums
05:00 PM JamesW[m]: so on my machine when I read the same data I would have put in 2500,2500,6000,6000
05:01 PM Lcvette: its no 6000 ahead of the 2500?
05:01 PM JamesW[m]: yeah but the DIR settings are not looking for you to accumulate the timings
05:02 PM JamesW[m]: I didn't do it that way on my setup and it works
05:02 PM JamesW[m]: my manual say 2500 for pulse and 5000 for dir lead time
05:02 PM JamesW[m]: that's what I put in. It worked
05:03 PM JamesW[m]: the rule of thumb is to start with the manuals settings and add 1000ns until things work
05:04 PM JamesW[m]: but honestly unless you are not getting the speeds you want/need then if you have a working config with 5000/10000 settings then just run with that
05:06 PM JamesW[m]: I think you can do the rough math to work out you max speed based on the micro stepping you have in place
05:07 PM JamesW[m]: and the pulse frequency being used.
05:07 PM JamesW[m]: the Dir timing only comes into play when you change direction
05:10 PM Lcvette: Gotcha
05:27 PM Lcvette: changed it over to 4064 scale and the drives to 800 pulse/rev and it sounds much better now
05:28 PM Lcvette: i can go 150ipm with no funny noises and nice and smooth
05:36 PM JamesW[m]: cool
05:36 PM JamesW[m]: I think I am running 1600 pulses per rev
05:37 PM JamesW[m]: hmmm ... do I have that right lol
05:38 PM JamesW[m]: its either 1600 steps per rev or 3200 steps per rev
05:39 PM JamesW[m]: its very smooth
05:39 PM hazzy-m: hello
05:39 PM JamesW[m]: 150 inch/m so thats around 3000mm/min Yeah that is quick
05:40 PM JamesW[m]: I run the mill up to around 2000mm/min and for a small mill that is plenty fast enough
05:41 PM JamesW[m]: i need a much faster spindle to to get into the top end reallt
05:41 PM JamesW[m]: hi hazzy
05:42 PM JamesW[m]: lcvette has got his lathe working again.
05:42 PM JamesW[m]: No help from me. I just sat here and pontificated. :-p
05:43 PM JamesW[m]: oh - started working on that gcode editor. Made a local branch to keep my tinkerings isolated
05:43 PM JamesW[m]: I think the premise is to make the widget as self contained and usable with as little code by the user as possible.
05:44 PM JamesW[m]: Which might mean making it a little dumber than it could be. But way more "drag and drop" in use.
05:44 PM JamesW[m]: Yes?
05:50 PM Lcvette: my big mill runs at 18000mm/m
05:50 PM Lcvette: :D
05:50 PM JamesW: for me that is pucker factor 14/10
05:51 PM Lcvette: lol
05:51 PM Lcvette: it is quick
05:51 PM JamesW: if its got the iron behind it to cope then all good.
05:52 PM Lcvette: https://youtu.be/LDMKMx2aO5E?t=209
05:52 PM Lcvette: here it is cutting at 150ipm
05:53 PM Lcvette: 1" depth of cut, 0.100" width of cut
05:54 PM Lcvette: \o/ hello hazzy!
05:54 PM Lcvette: lcvette has servos for this lathe build that will really wake it up, but i need a new enclosure as the servo drives won't fit in here
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05:55 PM JamesW[m]: that mill looks like a production grade machine
05:56 PM Lcvette: its running linuxcnc
05:56 PM JamesW[m]: I'm just dealing with a little Optimum BF20
05:56 PM Lcvette: i have one of those too
05:56 PM Lcvette: well, grizzly G0704
05:57 PM Lcvette: https://youtu.be/z7JMN_EYsWQ
05:57 PM Lcvette: thats it
05:58 PM Lcvette: the bf20 is a very capable machine
05:58 PM Lcvette: i ran production on my G0704 for almost a decade now
05:59 PM Lcvette: i had to upgrade the motor
05:59 PM Lcvette: but it really cuts well for its size
05:59 PM Lcvette: maybe not as fast, but it make beautiful parts
06:03 PM JamesW[m]: I'm putting a 750W servo on mine as a spindle
06:03 PM JamesW[m]: Price was acceptable and should give better control/performance than the stock motor,
06:04 PM JamesW[m]: I'm not doing flood though. Way to messy and I would need to build a whole new table/enclosure. Plus the clean up does not appeal. Have that when use flood on the manual mill.
06:05 PM JamesW[m]: Will stick with the mister setup
06:08 PM Lcvette: thats puny
06:08 PM Lcvette: clean up is easy
06:09 PM Lcvette: flood is not messy at all
06:09 PM Lcvette: its all inside the enclosure
06:09 PM Lcvette: i would not have anything but flood coolant its soo much better then mist
06:09 PM Lcvette: and you aren't sticky after being around the machine
06:09 PM JamesW[m]: well mist == fogless
06:10 PM Lcvette: myself and all my bf20/g0704 buddies run 3ph motors
06:10 PM Lcvette: 1.5hp
06:10 PM JamesW[m]: its not really misting.
06:10 PM Lcvette: inverter duty motors
06:10 PM JamesW[m]: yeah - that would hev been nice but not affordable
06:10 PM Lcvette: the power makes the machine incredible
06:10 PM JamesW[m]: remember hobby not production
06:10 PM Lcvette: 750w servo is not so cheap
06:11 PM JamesW[m]: cheap via china
06:11 PM JamesW[m]: no way can afford US prices
06:11 PM Lcvette: we run a overdrive pulley setup that gives 6000rpm
06:11 PM JamesW[m]: or NZ ones
06:11 PM Lcvette: motor was $209 and vfd was $290
06:12 PM JamesW[m]: to get 2hp would have been nearly as much as the machine was new
06:12 PM Lcvette: new
06:12 PM Lcvette: but yeah, shipping would be hard to swallow to NZ
06:12 PM JamesW[m]: USD?
06:12 PM Lcvette: yes
06:12 PM JamesW[m]: ok - that turns into about $1000NZD
06:12 PM JamesW[m]: plus shipping
06:13 PM JamesW[m]: I will get hit wtih tax on thew way in
06:13 PM Lcvette: https://dealerselectric.com/Y522.asp
06:13 PM Lcvette: thats the motor
06:13 PM JamesW[m]: very nice
06:13 PM Lcvette: https://www.automationdirect.com/adc/shopping/catalog/drives_-a- soft_starters/ac_variable_frequency_drives(vfd)/general_purpose/gs3-22p0
06:13 PM Lcvette: thats the drive
06:14 PM Lcvette: uh oh dinner bell
06:14 PM Lcvette: back in a bit
06:14 PM JamesW[m]: ah well. Worse case I am down $400 on the servo and controller.
06:14 PM JamesW[m]: but I think it will be better than stoc
06:14 PM Lcvette: can use it on the z axis
06:14 PM Lcvette: :D
06:43 PM JamesW: just been watching what some hobby folk have been getting BF20 sized machines doing with 750W servo spindles. If I can get performance like that I will be a very happy camper.
06:46 PM Lcvette: link
06:52 PM hazzy-m: I can confirm that its a fantastic motor
06:52 PM hazzy-m: and has plenty of torque, even overdrive
06:53 PM JamesW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMH0oSEoPA
06:53 PM JamesW: for example
06:53 PM hazzy-m: Lcvette: I ran a 7" SECO insert mill in 1018 the other day, worked beautifully
06:56 PM JT-Cave: https://youtu.be/E0l2l7pX_ss
06:56 PM JamesW: or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSFcV2C455U
06:57 PM JamesW: JT: they are growing so fast
06:57 PM Lcvette: \o/
06:57 PM Lcvette: That's a good motor
06:57 PM Lcvette: Big baby chicks
06:58 PM Lcvette: I wanna give them fuzzy chicks kisses
06:58 PM JamesW: Lcvette: I have ordered essentiall the same thing. Different brand but from what I can see same spec
07:02 PM Lcvette: Yeah I would not follow that guy verbatim
07:02 PM Lcvette: He has many flaws in his setup
07:02 PM JamesW[m]: I wont
07:02 PM Lcvette: And has not figured everything out yet
07:03 PM Lcvette: I left him a message
07:03 PM Lcvette: his theory on the spindle drive design was completely wrong
07:04 PM JamesW[m]: There are others using them. But plan is to quietly work through my own path. I also have some data from an NZ company that was doing similar add on-ons commercially and they showed what a 750W motor could do on these sized machines. Very nice.
07:04 PM Lcvette: you do not want cogged drive belt
07:04 PM Lcvette: it creates vibration
07:04 PM JamesW[m]: I know
07:04 PM Lcvette: you only want to drive the upper quill barrel
07:04 PM JamesW[m]: plan is polyv
07:05 PM Lcvette: and allow it to drive the spinbdle just above the lower bearing with the spline drive
07:05 PM JamesW[m]: If I can source it
07:05 PM Lcvette: the spindle cartridge and upper fixed wquill barrel bearings are not 100% concentric
07:06 PM Lcvette: due to the light clearance fit of the sliding spindle assembly, when the set screw in the side of the head is tightened to hold it in place it moves the bearings out of concentricity by almost 0.005"
07:06 PM Lcvette: in worse case scenarios
07:06 PM Lcvette: minimum ive seen is 0.002"
07:07 PM JamesW[m]: good to know
07:07 PM Lcvette: regardless its a fixed stationary setup and if you drive the spindle by its shaft at the top centered by the quill barrrel, it causes the spindle to flex as it spins
07:08 PM Lcvette: no much but it generates ALOT of the tool finish issues and wears out the spindle cartidge bearing the amount of the wobble
07:08 PM Lcvette: this equates to bad spindle runout
07:08 PM Lcvette: you want to use Nachi tapered roller bearings only in the lower spindle cartridge assembly
07:09 PM Lcvette: they will give you runout in the 0.0000"- 0.0002"
07:09 PM JamesW[m]: trying to picture these things .... not having pulled this stuff apart struggling with that
07:09 PM Lcvette: providing you follow my above advise
07:09 PM Lcvette: sec
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07:11 PM Lcvette: this is the quill barrel
07:11 PM Lcvette: did yours come beltdrive?
07:11 PM JamesW[m]: nope
07:12 PM JamesW[m]: dual ratio gears
07:12 PM Lcvette: ok so its gesar drive
07:12 PM Lcvette: this barrel is what the spindle slides up and down uunder
07:12 PM Lcvette: those splined female teethe drive the spindle
07:13 PM JamesW[m]: ok spindle slides under this
07:13 PM JamesW[m]: pic
07:13 PM JamesW[m]: when you say spindle do you mean quill or is that different again?
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07:14 PM JamesW[m]: right - that's what I'm thinking when I say wuill
07:14 PM Lcvette: this is the actual spindle in the spindle cartridge
07:15 PM Lcvette: thats the spindle cartridge
07:16 PM JamesW[m]: ritgh - so you drive the quill barrel in the same way as the gears would have. That means you dont put lateral movement into the spindle?
07:17 PM Lcvette: correct
07:17 PM JamesW[m]: gotcha. Makes sense
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07:17 PM JamesW[m]: also means you need bearings all around that can handle whatever speeds you plan to run at
07:17 PM Lcvette: and the clearance in the spline drive accomodates the cartridge and quill barrel misalignment
07:17 PM JamesW[m]: stock is ok to 3000rpm. Above that I need new bearings
07:18 PM Lcvette: you need new bearings
07:18 PM Lcvette: period
07:18 PM Lcvette: nachi tapered rollers
07:18 PM Lcvette: the spindle is the single biggest mod required to make nice parts on this machine
07:18 PM Lcvette: stock runnout is horrible usually
07:18 PM Lcvette: over 0.001"
07:18 PM Lcvette: inches not metric
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07:20 PM JamesW[m]: ok- was on the list to get to. Going to save these pics to projects folder for reference.
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07:21 PM Lcvette: this is the quill barrel after removing the gears
07:21 PM Lcvette: and installing bearings and the pulley
07:22 PM Lcvette: the pulley is pressed into the barrel with a clearance hole in the moddle for the spindle shaft to freely pass through
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07:22 PM Lcvette: left is the spindle pulley
07:23 PM JamesW[m]: did you make the poly v pulleys or buy?
07:23 PM Lcvette: made
07:23 PM Lcvette: i offer a kit
07:23 PM Lcvette: complete with power drawbar\
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07:26 PM JamesW[m]: nice setup
07:26 PM Lcvette: thanks, it works very well
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07:28 PM JamesW[m]: I'm taking a more light/hobby centric path. Will accept slower tool changes times with collet or similar but have auto TLO remeasure after each change.
07:28 PM Lcvette: these are off the G0704
07:29 PM Lcvette: need to get tts holdersw
07:29 PM Lcvette: the chinese ones are cheap direct from china and are actually from group experience better then the tormach holders
07:29 PM Lcvette: they end up being like 8-9/ec
07:29 PM Lcvette: * they end up being like $8-9/each
07:29 PM Lcvette: usd
07:30 PM JamesW[m]: thats pretty good. I tihnk I might have found some of those on aliexpress
07:30 PM Lcvette: order direct, not through alie express
07:30 PM Lcvette: its much cheaper
07:30 PM Lcvette: sek
07:30 PM JamesW[m]: my mill is 3MT so need the TTS clamp for that
07:31 PM JamesW[m]: only seen those from tormach or littlemachineshop
07:31 PM Lcvette: sales@ystool.com.cn
07:31 PM Lcvette: its just a 3/4" collet
07:31 PM JamesW[m]: isnt it shortened and ground longer on the inside?
07:31 PM Lcvette: needs the face ground to flat
07:32 PM JamesW[m]: or somesuch?
07:32 PM Lcvette: just needs to be flush or below the spindle nose when seated on na 3/4" tool
07:32 PM JamesW[m]: k
07:32 PM Lcvette: the tts holders mate to the spindle nose for repeatability
07:33 PM JamesW[m]: 3/4" lol 19mm ?
07:33 PM Lcvette: sales@ystool.com.cn
07:33 PM JamesW[m]: yup - looked into the holders
07:33 PM Lcvette: needs to be 3/4
07:33 PM Lcvette: fopr s precision fit
07:33 PM Lcvette: you don't want the tts holders rocking in the collet
07:33 PM JamesW[m]: I looked for 3/4" local. Like hens teeth. Everything is metric
07:34 PM Lcvette: that email is for the tools
07:34 PM JamesW[m]: down here you pay the Imperial tax
07:34 PM Lcvette: tell them chris sent you
07:34 PM JamesW[m]: k
07:40 PM JamesW[m]: have saved the email address
07:43 PM Lcvette: do all of that and you will have a really nice machine
07:44 PM Lcvette: do something else and you will be leaving alot on the table
07:44 PM Lcvette: ive had mine for a decade now and have done it all the ways you can to find the right one
07:44 PM Lcvette: lol
07:45 PM JamesW: plan was been to do the bearings as want to get spindle into the ~5k band. TTS was going to be eventually and would look to do that as part of pneumatic tool bar
07:45 PM JamesW: Obvioulsy could get into it earlier
07:46 PM JamesW: I guess I could get a few TTS holders and source a 3/4" 3mt holder and grind that on the lathe a toolpost grinder
07:46 PM JamesW: and see how things turn out.
07:47 PM JamesW: do ystool have a minimum order size they look for?
07:48 PM Lcvette: order as many as you can afford
07:49 PM Lcvette: having premeasured tools setup makes one off jobs sooooo much easier
07:49 PM Lcvette: do you have a touch probe?
07:49 PM Lcvette: not tool setter, but touch probe
07:50 PM Lcvette: if so you just probe the stock and your tools are all good to go, just hit start and change as requested
07:50 PM JamesW[m]: no. Need to make. I have a tool for measure the delta between a reference tool and all others
07:51 PM Lcvette: order one from Drewtronics
07:51 PM Lcvette: they are fantastic and very affordable
07:51 PM Lcvette: https://drewtronics.org/
07:51 PM Lcvette: https://drewtronics.org/s5000led
07:53 PM JamesW[m]: yeah - the is an nz guy who does the same product.
07:53 PM Lcvette: mine repeats to under 0.0002"
07:54 PM Lcvette: i have a cheaper wildhorse probe and it is not nearly as accurate
07:55 PM JamesW[m]: actually - I take that back. More expenseive
07:55 PM Lcvette: the drewtronics is worth the shipping expense
07:55 PM Lcvette: its that good
07:55 PM JamesW[m]: the DT ones is very good price
07:55 PM JamesW[m]: I can get it shipped ok price via NZ Posts drop shipping system out of the USA
07:56 PM Lcvette: no direct ship?
07:56 PM Lcvette: i ship internationally all the time
07:56 PM Lcvette: DHL express
07:56 PM JamesW[m]: direct shipping to NZ is normally twice to three times more expensive
07:56 PM Lcvette: how much your way?
07:56 PM JamesW[m]: but it does depend a little on what is being offered
07:57 PM Lcvette: i send a 4x6x14 inch box that weighs 3lbs for usually $42 usd
07:57 PM JamesW[m]: shipping to Oregan and then probably 25-50NZD to my door
07:57 PM Lcvette: so thats $9.99 usd to oregan
07:58 PM Lcvette: the probe package is small
07:58 PM Lcvette: i bet it at or under $40usd direct
07:58 PM JamesW[m]: where is that $42USD to?
07:58 PM Lcvette: ive shipped to nz and australia
07:58 PM Lcvette: pretty common
07:59 PM JamesW[m]: so all up about 70-80NZD shipping
07:59 PM Lcvette: whats your address i can run it through my shipping program
07:59 PM Lcvette: can opm me if you want
07:59 PM JamesW[m]: wont matter - NZ shipping cost to city is all pretty much the same
07:59 PM Lcvette: * can pm me if you want
08:00 PM Lcvette: my plugin needs an actual address or it won't proicess the quote
08:00 PM Lcvette: its through my business website
08:00 PM JamesW[m]: k
08:00 PM Lcvette: can give me a local store address
08:00 PM Lcvette: or something not personal
08:00 PM JamesW[m]: full address or just post code?
08:00 PM Lcvette: full
08:01 PM Lcvette: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r31z6VCv7P8&t=4s
08:01 PM JamesW: lets try this: 142 Lambton Quay, Wellington
08:01 PM JamesW: 6011 if needs post code
08:02 PM JamesW[m]: thats a business address
08:05 PM * Lcvette uploaded an image: image.png (50KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ArYhGbqILirTqcvlHGKsZGNo >
08:05 PM Lcvette: dhl not showing up
08:05 PM Lcvette: not sure why
08:06 PM Lcvette: if you don't mind waiting 2 weeks for it usps is quite reasonable
08:06 PM Lcvette: thats a direct ship
08:06 PM JamesW[m]: worth knowing
08:06 PM Lcvette: only $15usd more than the cost to get it to oregon
08:06 PM JamesW[m]: cheaper overall
08:06 PM Lcvette: im actually sending in my wireless probe tomorrow to have it updated
08:07 PM Lcvette: you are welcome to piggy back your order to me and i will send it from here if drew doesn't do international
08:07 PM JamesW[m]: as one cost not two hops
08:07 PM Lcvette: yup
08:07 PM JamesW[m]: drew does internation
08:08 PM JamesW[m]: says so on site. Just need to ask about it
08:08 PM Lcvette: great!
08:08 PM JamesW[m]: But my tool budget is on hold for another month or so after splurging on servo and some other bits
08:08 PM Lcvette: sure no worries
08:09 PM JamesW[m]: have saved things all away
08:09 PM JamesW[m]: :)
08:09 PM Lcvette: great!
08:09 PM Lcvette: im gonna go spend time with the wife before she gets cranky
08:09 PM JamesW[m]: that probe could be my birthday present :D
08:09 PM Lcvette: :D
08:09 PM Lcvette: /o\
08:09 PM Lcvette: lol
08:09 PM JamesW[m]: good call
08:20 PM * hazzy-m thinks he'll spend part of his stimulus check on a DrewTronics probe
08:20 PM JamesW[m]: lol
08:21 PM JamesW[m]: The wireless one looks pretty swish
08:21 PM hazzy-m: it sure does
08:28 PM JamesW[m]: but at twice the price. Hard to justify
08:58 PM * hazzy-m just bought a s5000LED TTS probe
09:36 PM hazzy-m: rodw-au: Hey Rod! Welcome, great to see you here
09:36 PM Lcvette: hazzy: \o/
09:36 PM Lcvette: hurray
09:37 PM Lcvette: hazzy can use probe basic now
09:37 PM Lcvette: :D
09:37 PM hazzy-m: I need to get a bigger touch screen on my mill lol
09:37 PM hazzy-m: I can see just a few buttons in the corner of PB with the current one
09:37 PM Lcvette: Didn't you buy one?
09:38 PM hazzy-m: yes, but its too big to fit my control panel
09:38 PM hazzy-m: I need to make use of one of our demo folders at work to make a new one
09:39 PM Lcvette: Yeah no excuses from you on making a new control box
09:39 PM Lcvette: Lol
09:42 PM hazzy-m: I need to make a full enclosure
09:42 PM hazzy-m: I have loads of SS sheet I can use
09:46 PM Lcvette: That would be sweet
09:58 PM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07KurtJacobson pushed 032 commits to 03master [+0/-0/±7] 13https://git.io/JfcsJ
09:58 PM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07KurtJacobson 033e13c2e - ENH: Add support for custom log levels
09:58 PM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07KurtJacobson 0343f4824 - ENH: Enable setting log level per plugin
09:58 PM hazzy-m: almost time for a new release
09:58 PM hazzy-m: lost of new goodies
09:59 PM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07KurtJacobson pushed 031 commit to 03gh-pages [+489/-0/±0] 13https://git.io/JfcsT
09:59 PM Not-944e: [02qtpyvcp] 07traviscibot 03c491874 - Deploy kcjengr/qtpyvcp to github.com/kcjengr/qtpyvcp.git:gh-pages
09:59 PM hazzy-m: Lcvette: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/qtpyvcp/34996-another-gui-project-underway?start=290
09:59 PM JamesW[m]: nice
10:00 PM hazzy-m: can you take a quick look? I think he just needs to copy the subs over
10:00 PM JamesW[m]: Hi Rod. Nice to see you over here
10:01 PM JamesW[m]: hazzy - might need some training at some point on how to hook the gcode editor into the notificaion system
10:01 PM JamesW[m]: I want to be have it so the editor can auto flick from gcode to MDI mode based on the state plugin
10:02 PM hazzy-m: sure, that should be straight forward
10:02 PM JamesW[m]: that would be configuable boolena setting within designer
10:03 PM JamesW[m]: so me learning how to leverage the notification framework you have and geting my head around adding the notation sugar to satisfy designer
10:03 PM JamesW[m]: from what I have seen I "think" I have an incling on the later. But will get into it more this weekend. its FRIDAY here. 3:03pm, Roll on 5 oclock!
10:03 PM JamesW[m]: beer time!
10:05 PM hazzy-m: I forgot you're a day ahead, bummer
10:05 PM hazzy-m: and I missed beer time at work today
10:05 PM hazzy-m: its 11:04pm here, time to sleep
10:05 PM Lcvette: Replied, not sure why people don't just use the installer
10:05 PM Lcvette: It gives them everything they need
10:06 PM JamesW[m]: installer?
10:06 PM JamesW[m]: for ???
10:06 PM Lcvette: For the locked down version of probe basic
10:06 PM JamesW[m]: ah
10:06 PM JamesW[m]: too big for my screen is why I'm building my own
10:06 PM JamesW[m]: plus ... cose I can :-p
10:06 PM hazzy-m: Lcvette: thanks. I'm thinking about making a quick and dirty bash install script, at least it might reduce the number of questions about missing deps
10:07 PM JamesW[m]: a 1080p touch screen is pricy - nice but ouch $$$
10:07 PM Lcvette: https://kcjengr.github.io/probe_basic/quick_start.html
10:07 PM Lcvette: That guy was missing the whole subroutine folder
10:07 PM Lcvette: Lol
10:07 PM JamesW[m]: oops
10:07 PM Lcvette: Without it nothing would work harshly
10:08 PM Lcvette: * Without it nothing would work hardly
10:08 PM hazzy-m: gn8
10:08 PM Lcvette: Night
10:09 PM JamesW[m]: later