#hazzy Logs
Oct 30 2019
#hazzy Calendar
05:00 AM jthornton: morning
05:16 AM Tom_L: morning
05:23 AM TurBoss: morning
06:03 AM hazzy-m: Morning
09:28 AM Lcvette: mornning
09:34 AM Lcvette: TurBoss: how is your job?
12:27 PM Lcvette: jthornton: thanks for the advice! i contacted peter and he is issuing an RMA to evaluate the boards! \o/ hurray!
12:42 PM Tom_L: he's pretty good about that
12:43 PM TurBoss: hey Lcvette I will start in a week
12:43 PM TurBoss: nice to ear that
12:44 PM Lcvette: nice!
12:54 PM TurBoss: Lcvette: are you goin to send all the boardS?
01:01 PM Lcvette: Yes, they are already packed, just waiting for the RMA email
01:03 PM TurBoss: great good luck you had
01:21 PM jthornton: you're welcome
01:22 PM Lcvette: \o/
01:23 PM Lcvette: TurBoss: very much
01:23 PM Lcvette: i was getting some wierd axis motion that i had not had before
01:23 PM Lcvette: that scared me alot
01:24 PM Lcvette: the probe manufacturer is also going to change out the receiver so it uses 24v with no other converters required
01:24 PM Lcvette: i packed and sent that in today as well, my hope is the returned cards and receiver all work again
02:13 PM Tom_L: bound to work
02:28 PM memfrob: Hi, what's the recommended Debian iso for using qtpyvcp with editvcp and all that?
02:29 PM memfrob: Is there an iso with all the required dependencies already installed that "just works" without having to track down and install a bunch by hand?
02:30 PM TurBoss: hello, debian 9
02:30 PM TurBoss: also 10 but requires build from sources linuxcnc
02:30 PM TurBoss: the linuxcnc strecth iso
02:31 PM memfrob: Are you aware that Debian 9 does not come with python-pyqt5.qtquick pyqt5.qsci-dev etc?
02:31 PM TurBoss: it doesn't? oh hell
02:31 PM memfrob: Ok, not vanilla debian 9, you're talking about linuxcnc live cd debian 9.
02:32 PM memfrob: Well I'm not sure about the linuxcnc live cd. Maybe that one does.
02:32 PM TurBoss: memfrob: I asked my friend, he could help us but I will have to get a test environ
02:32 PM TurBoss: its uch complicated?
02:32 PM TurBoss: *much
02:33 PM memfrob: It's not complicated if the linuxcnc iso comes packed with qsci etc
02:33 PM TurBoss: just found this
02:33 PM TurBoss: https://packages.debian.org/stretch/python-pyqt5.qtquick
02:34 PM memfrob: But how the official debian installers work, is that they do not install everything. Only a basic subset of a specific environment (GNOME, KDE etc) and their dependencies and maybe some basic tools and a web browser.
02:34 PM memfrob: Yes that's a package, but there's a difference between available packages and pre-installed ones.
02:35 PM TurBoss: the linux cnc iso comes with more specific dependencies installed but all the qt python stuff is not installed
02:35 PM TurBoss: ah ok
02:35 PM TurBoss: gocha
02:35 PM memfrob: Ok so the linuxcnc iso might be a bit more helpful.
02:35 PM memfrob: the linuxcnc iso is version 9?
02:35 PM TurBoss: yes but the strecth iso
02:35 PM memfrob: and 9 is stretch?
02:36 PM TurBoss: give me a sek
02:36 PM TurBoss: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
02:36 PM TurBoss: yes
02:36 PM TurBoss: it comes with linuxcnc 2.7
02:36 PM TurBoss: you may need to add buildbot repositories and upgrade to 2.8
02:36 PM TurBoss: since we only support 2.8
02:37 PM TurBoss: http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/
02:37 PM TurBoss: ```
02:37 PM TurBoss: deb http://buildbot.linuxcnc.org/ stretch master-rtpreempt
02:38 PM memfrob: master git repo for debs?
02:39 PM TurBoss: mostly because of joints
02:39 PM memfrob: How often are these updated?
02:39 PM memfrob: linuxcnc has several commits a day on master
02:41 PM TurBoss: currently there is master 2.8 and dev 2.9
02:41 PM TurBoss: but cmorley is allways commiting to master
02:44 PM Lcvette: jthornton: do you know which of these addresses is correct for sending in RMA?
02:44 PM * Lcvette sent a long message: < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/UXGUfcnwnEnoRMaJoYBEuYIB >
02:45 PM memfrob: what I mean is that if you're building deb packages against the master branch, and master is where all the development is, things sometimes break, you might make a bad commit, a mistake etc, and then these get build into debs and you have a broken deb unless you either downgrade or update the deb
02:46 PM TurBoss: you are talking about qtpyvcp debs?
02:46 PM memfrob: Instead of being on a less noisy, more stable branch like 2.8
02:46 PM memfrob: linuxcnc debs
02:47 PM memfrob: I wouldn't build any kind of package against a master branch with anything unless it's something like policykit
02:48 PM TurBoss: the minimun requirement is 2.8
02:48 PM memfrob: I understand, but there's a difference between 2.8 and master
02:50 PM memfrob: I just think it's not a good idea to build packages against the bleeding edge when there's a 2.8 branch.
02:52 PM TurBoss: if you follow git commitw you will see that coomits go from 2.8 to master
02:53 PM * TurBoss uploaded an image: image.png (139KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/TNiCGZTIcYrKbBYymXGeksMH >
02:54 PM memfrob: So master is actually more stable than 2.8 ?
02:54 PM memfrob: 2.8 is the dev branch?
02:56 PM TurBoss: yeah
02:57 PM TurBoss: they commit to 2.8 then merge into master
02:57 PM TurBoss: so basically the same
02:58 PM TurBoss: at least buildbot always compiles
02:58 PM TurBoss: if you clone and gitpull sometimes doesn't compile
03:03 PM memfrob: So I guess 2.8 isn't frozen yet then.
03:08 PM memfrob: Well thanks, I'll stick with master then. An unusual setup but if it works, it works!
03:13 PM Tom_L: 2.8 is stable
03:13 PM Tom_L: 2.9(master) would be the one that isn't
03:15 PM memfrob: Did you both say different things?
03:15 PM Tom_L: it is my understanding that 2.8 is stable and soon to be released as such
03:16 PM Tom_L: you want a working environment for qtpyvcp?
03:16 PM memfrob: The git log shows that development happens on 2.8 though which gets merged into master.
03:17 PM memfrob: So master is essentially a clone of 2.8 from what I saw. This is getting very confusing.
03:17 PM memfrob: I'm going to install the linuxcnc iso on a system and get qtpyvcp going, and this time I am going to write down every package I need to install.
03:18 PM Tom_L: i'd use jt's directions then the ones for qtpyvcp
03:18 PM Tom_L: you'll be up an going in a couple hrs
03:19 PM Tom_L: you _can_ use the buildbot iso if you want
03:19 PM Tom_L: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/debian9-rt.html
03:19 PM Tom_L: https://kcjengr.github.io/probe_basic/dev_install.html
03:20 PM Tom_L: i followed jt's directions and picked on the qtpyvcp directions where his left off
03:20 PM Tom_L: about as easy as it can be
03:20 PM memfrob: The linuxcnc stretch iso doesn't have an installer?
03:21 PM Tom_L: i don't remember, i used jt's because i wanted to use a different desktop
03:21 PM Tom_L: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/debian9-emc.html
03:21 PM Tom_L: after his first link ^^ that one will install lcnc 2.7 or 2.8 which ever one you choose
03:22 PM memfrob: http://www.linuxcnc.org/testing-stretch-rtpreempt/
03:22 PM memfrob: These aren't _installers_ at least i don't see an icon anywhere
03:22 PM memfrob: It says "Live/Install" so i must be missing something.
03:23 PM Tom_L: no but they're brain dead directions
03:23 PM Tom_L: literally cut and paste
03:23 PM Tom_L: if I can do it........
03:23 PM memfrob: Literally turn the PC off and lose everything
03:24 PM Tom_L: the testing stretch iso is the only installer for debian 9 & 2.7 ? 8?
03:24 PM Tom_L: i can't remember which one is on it now
03:25 PM Tom_L: i tested it once
03:25 PM memfrob: The testing stretch iso is not an install disk from the looks of it. I need to be able to restart.
03:25 PM Tom_L: i wanted mate desktop and it doesn't come installed on the iso
03:25 PM Tom_L: i think it is but it's been a while since i did it
03:26 PM memfrob: So you were able to download an official image from the debian site (debian.org not linuxcnc) and was able to get qtpycvp going?
03:26 PM Tom_L: it won't install qtpyvcp though
03:26 PM memfrob: *qtpyvcp
03:26 PM memfrob: I understand I have to build that myself.
03:26 PM Tom_L: very easy yes
03:26 PM Tom_L: go get debian 9 then follow jt's directions on those links
03:27 PM Tom_L: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/debian9-rt.html
03:27 PM Tom_L: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/debian9-emc.html
03:27 PM TurBoss: yes
03:27 PM Tom_L: then use the qtpyvcp one for that
03:27 PM Tom_L: they're all very easy to follow
03:28 PM memfrob: OK, I hope you're right and that it was as easy for you as it was for me.
03:28 PM memfrob: Are there plans to make debs for qtpyvcp?
03:28 PM Tom_L: ask TurBoss or hazzy-m
03:28 PM memfrob: I'll even help.
03:28 PM Tom_L: i dunno
03:28 PM Tom_L: i think they talked about it
03:28 PM Tom_L: but they've been developing probe_basic heavily and i don't think have had time
03:28 PM memfrob: Are you tom itx?
03:29 PM Tom_L: one and the same
03:29 PM memfrob: Thank you for testing out my RTAI tree.
03:29 PM Tom_L: off to the store for a few, back in a bit
03:29 PM memfrob: See ya!
03:29 PM Tom_L: no problem. i can't code so that's the least i can do
03:30 PM JT-Shop: they have a deb but don't know if it is current
03:43 PM memfrob: Well that's easy then! Updating a deb versus making one from scratch, sign me up!
03:44 PM memfrob: I may have to go back and do these steps again, I'd gladly help with the debs to save us all the trouble.
03:45 PM memfrob: TurBoss, I noticed you added more things to the dependencies, thank you!
03:45 PM memfrob: More than half the battle is figuring out what it wants :)
03:46 PM JT-Shop2: https://github.com/kcjengr/qtpyvcp/releases
03:46 PM JT-Shop2: found them
03:48 PM memfrob: No debian/ folder in source?
03:51 PM JT-Shop2: we may need help with that
03:53 PM JT-Shop2: what would be awesome is to be able to say sudo apt install qtpyvcp
03:54 PM Tom_L: where's the fun in that?
03:54 PM Tom_L: :)
03:55 PM Tom_L: snow thread averted so far
03:55 PM Tom_L: few flurries but that's it
04:12 PM memfrob: TurBoss, I think it would be good to add these deps to the devel install page: https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com/install/quick_start.html
04:12 PM memfrob: Install Dev Dependencies is just: sudo apt install qttools5.dev qttools5-dev-tools python-pip
04:13 PM memfrob: It may sound redundant to you, but people who just want to do the devel install will be mislead in the packages that they need.
04:14 PM Lcvette: hola
04:14 PM Lcvette: \o/
04:14 PM Lcvette: lcvette got everything to the post office in time to go out today!
04:14 PM Lcvette: was a struggle
04:14 PM Lcvette: whats crackin?
04:15 PM memfrob: eggshells.
04:15 PM Lcvette: JT-Shop2: "what would be awesome is to be able to say sudo apt install qtpyvcp"
04:15 PM Lcvette: yes it would indeed!
04:16 PM CaptHindsight: trying to do fresh install of LCNC Stretch and QtPyVCP
04:16 PM Lcvette: and sudo apt update and upgrade give the latest updates
04:16 PM Lcvette: trying to build your own gui or use an existing one?
04:17 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, follow those 3 links i posted
04:17 PM CaptHindsight: build from scratch
04:17 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: 3 lionks?
04:17 PM memfrob: Why does this website: https://gnipsel.com look identical to: https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com
04:18 PM Tom_L: jt did em both?
04:18 PM memfrob: Sorry: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/
04:18 PM CaptHindsight: gnipsel.com is JT's stuff
04:19 PM CaptHindsight: do they have different or conflicting instructions?
04:19 PM CaptHindsight: https://gnipsel.com vs https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com
04:19 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, i followed jt's debian 9 rt install, the debian 9 linuxcnc directions then the qtpyvcp ones
04:20 PM Tom_L: https://gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/uspace/debian9-rt.html
04:20 PM Tom_L: start there
04:20 PM Lcvette: tom_l, the first half of my instructions would work wouldn't they?
04:21 PM Tom_L: i don't think he wants the iso install
04:21 PM Lcvette: you mean the one gauranteed to work?
04:21 PM Lcvette: lol
04:21 PM CaptHindsight: so nobody has written a clear howto for a noob to install this?
04:21 PM Tom_L: i've done them both multiple times
04:21 PM Lcvette: one of these days i need to see what the big deal it about not using it
04:22 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight the debian install seems to be separate from the qtpyvcp one
04:22 PM Lcvette: i don't know any better then to say whats wrong with the iso install
04:22 PM Tom_L: except for Lcvette's page he did the other day
04:22 PM Tom_L: which is for the testing stretch iso
04:22 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: have a link to Lcvette's page?
04:23 PM Lcvette: Tom_L: is the testing stretch iso not good?
04:23 PM Tom_L: it works
04:23 PM CaptHindsight: I don't know what you are referring to
04:23 PM Tom_L: https://kcjengr.github.io/probe_basic/dev_install.html
04:23 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight ^^
04:23 PM Lcvette: https://kcjengr.github.io/probe_basic/dev_install.html
04:23 PM CaptHindsight: thank you
04:24 PM CaptHindsight: I'm a terrible mind reader
04:24 PM Lcvette: if you use mine and just want qtpyvcp development install, stop at the end of step 5
04:24 PM Tom_L: i just didn't want to do the iso install so i used jt's instructions for the preempt-rt part
04:26 PM CaptHindsight: it is confusing to a noob to find 3 different websites with the sample colors and layout with different information
04:26 PM CaptHindsight: sample/same
04:26 PM Tom_L: yeah
04:26 PM CaptHindsight: maybe someone could fix that
04:26 PM Tom_L: yeah
04:26 PM Tom_L: maybe
04:27 PM Tom_L: the last one will get you there start to finish
04:27 PM JT-Shop2: it's a standard RTD theme
04:27 PM CaptHindsight: this last one? https://kcjengr.github.io/probe_basic/dev_install.html
04:27 PM Tom_L: yes
04:27 PM CaptHindsight: thank you
04:28 PM Tom_L: however i wanted to install with a different desktop so i went with jt's vanilla debian 9 install to start with
04:29 PM Tom_L: i don't care for xfce
04:37 PM Lcvette: What's the difference between xfce and what you install?
04:38 PM Tom_L: i like the mate desktop better
04:38 PM memfrob: not XFCE lol
04:38 PM Tom_L: and you can't choose with the iso install
04:38 PM Tom_L: you can install it later but then you have to pick it each boot
04:38 PM Lcvette: What's it like?
04:38 PM memfrob: MATE?
04:38 PM Tom_L: try it
04:39 PM Tom_L: just more a personal choice
04:39 PM memfrob: It's like gnome 2
04:40 PM Tom_L: i've used em both but if i'm gonna do a clean install i may as well end up with what i want
04:41 PM Tom_L: when they built the iso they could have given the choice but they didn't
04:41 PM Tom_L: then everybody would want a say in which ones to include and the iso would get bigger quick
04:42 PM Lcvette: I'm a creature of habit and I have learned what I have
04:42 PM Tom_L: so jepler? i think it was chose xfce
04:42 PM Lcvette: Made it like windows
04:42 PM Tom_L: expand your horizones
04:42 PM Tom_L: and leeanrn to speeel like me
04:44 PM Tom_L: sounds like you may get your boards & probe situation worked out soon
04:49 PM memfrob: Is there a reason to use the latest git checkout of qtpyvcp over the 0.2.7 release to create a GUI from scratch?
04:49 PM Tom_L: umm, somewhere down the path they separated probe_basic from the qtpyvcp branch
04:50 PM memfrob: What is probe_basic? I am noob.
04:50 PM Tom_L: a few enhancements may have benen made along the way too
04:50 PM Tom_L: it's an elaboarate gui they've been working on
04:50 PM Tom_L: sized for a 1080 screen iirc
04:51 PM memfrob: If all we want to do is make a GUI, is 0.2.7 or master recommended?
04:52 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4OaXS05ZMQ
04:52 PM Tom_L: i'm too new at it to say
04:52 PM Tom_L: pretty sure either one will do
04:53 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop has a tutorial for a small gui
04:53 PM Tom_L: they've been working on probe basic for quite a whle
04:54 PM memfrob: If I don't want/need probe basic, just use 0.2.7 then?
04:54 PM Tom_L: i would if i were just starting out
04:54 PM Tom_L: i don't think it will affect what you do either way
04:54 PM memfrob: Tom_L, thank you!
04:55 PM Tom_L: there may be a couple widgets that have been added
04:55 PM Tom_L: like offsets for fixture offsets
04:56 PM Tom_L: i think probe basic is an example of just about everything you can do with it
04:57 PM memfrob: offsets for offsets?
04:58 PM Tom_L: for doing fixture offsets G54..59.3
04:58 PM Tom_L: reads and writes the .var file
04:59 PM CaptHindsight: is the 0.2.7 version far enough along to build a working GUI for LCNC?
04:59 PM Tom_L: i think so but i'd verify that with TurBoss or hazzy-m
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: is there a list of changes in master/development version vs 0.2.7?
05:00 PM JT-Shop2: been using it on my mill for 6 months
05:00 PM Tom_L: JT-Shop where's that simple gui tutorial of yours?
05:00 PM Tom_L: 640 x 480?
05:00 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop2: which version of this did you use for that 6 month working version GUI?
05:00 PM memfrob: List of changes between 0.2.7 and HEAD: https://github.com/kcjengr/qtpyvcp/compare/v0.2.7...master
05:00 PM JT-Shop2: ca
05:01 PM CaptHindsight: 0.2.7 orthe master/development version?
05:01 PM JT-Shop2: CaptHindsight: what do you mean?
05:01 PM JT-Shop2: they are pretty much the same, I used master I assume
05:01 PM CaptHindsight: JT-Shop2: I want to know which version of the tool called QtPyVCP that you used to build your working GUI
05:02 PM Tom_L: i know they recently pushed the offsets widget to it so that wouldn't be in 0.2.7 that i know of
05:02 PM JT-Shop2: https://github.com/jethornton/mill_touch_v6
05:02 PM JT-Shop2: what ever was current at the time
05:02 PM CaptHindsight: being a noob, I don't know the in's and out's or the features of either version yet
05:02 PM Tom_L: right
05:02 PM Tom_L: neither do i fully
05:02 PM JT-Shop2: I started my gui in April
05:03 PM Tom_L: it's still a work in progress but useable
05:03 PM memfrob: 0.2.7 is newer than HEAD of April
05:03 PM JT-Shop2: gotta go spoil the chickens see you down in the beer cave
05:03 PM CaptHindsight: ok so as far as I can tell so far, something does work
05:04 PM memfrob: 0.2.7 is a month old and there has been 59 commits since.
05:04 PM Tom_L: yes
05:04 PM Tom_L: i'll reboot and see what i've got installed
05:05 PM CaptHindsight: lets say we start with 0.2.7, is there a simple (less than 100 command line instructions) to move to development/master?
05:07 PM Tom_L: i'm not sure how to tell the version but this is using designer 5.7.1
05:07 PM memfrob: Tom_L, $ `qtpyvcp --version`
05:08 PM Tom_L: 0.2.7+58.g5cac4c2
05:09 PM Tom_L: so all the pushed to present probably
05:09 PM Tom_L: pushes*
05:09 PM Tom_L: i'd say go with 0.2.7
05:10 PM Tom_L: like i said, i know they separated probe_basic from it and added a couple widgets but the bulk of it is the same
05:10 PM Lcvette: there has not been a new release since 0.2.7
05:11 PM Lcvette: we are waiting on the settings and vtk before doing a new version release
05:11 PM Lcvette: once those are merged and tested we will do release
05:20 PM jthornton: CaptHindsight, I would start out by following the tutorials
05:20 PM Tom_L: ^^ agreed
05:22 PM jthornton: from famine to feast, I have 0.8GB of data to use tomorrow lol
05:22 PM Tom_L: we can fix you right up...
05:23 PM Tom_L: just don't start with a xilinx install download
05:26 PM memfrob: Tom_L, thanks again!
05:27 PM jthornton: yea
05:27 PM Tom_L: memfrob if you can fix up a RTAI kernel this should be peanuts for you
05:28 PM memfrob: Tom_L, speaking of RTAI, I just finished moving the C library out of kernel space
05:30 PM jthornton: I started using Olive video editor but they have the issue tracker turned off and no way to report issues wtf
05:31 PM Tom_L: speaking of RTAI, what was this email i got a while back saying RTAI 5.2.3 was released for Linuxcnc?
05:31 PM memfrob: I made a new release awhile ago.
05:32 PM Tom_L: maybe that was it
05:33 PM memfrob: https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI/commit/14c015c0f9653dd86c8b57646972d9bc3ffd8e28
05:33 PM memfrob: Spent the last few weeks working on that
05:33 PM CaptHindsight: https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI RTAI 5.2.3 for LinuxCNC
05:34 PM CaptHindsight: about 3 weeks ago
05:34 PM Tom_L: yeah about that
05:35 PM CaptHindsight: the no calibration branch was fixed so it's ready for Andy to build a new LCNC release
05:35 PM memfrob: the no-calibration branch was a test branch just for andy
05:35 PM memfrob: Not to make debs with
05:36 PM CaptHindsight: Andy said he was going to build a new RTAI and preempt_rt version of LCNC
05:36 PM memfrob: the debs should be based off RTAI 5.2.4 which I'll release soon
05:37 PM CaptHindsight: should let Andy know
05:37 PM Tom_L: how hard to make a dual install deb for RTAI and preempt-rt for 2.8?
05:38 PM CaptHindsight: jthornton: will follow the tutorials after we find out which is the proper install method and version
05:38 PM CaptHindsight: looks like 0.2.7
05:38 PM Tom_L: yes
05:39 PM jthornton: the proper install method is in the tutorials
05:39 PM CaptHindsight: internet coverage for rural areas still stinks in the USA
05:39 PM jthornton: tell me about it
05:39 PM Tom_L: heh
05:39 PM CaptHindsight: jthornton: which tutorial? have a link?
05:39 PM jthornton: fiber 1.6 miles from where I'm sitting but it's not connected to anything
05:40 PM CaptHindsight: we got stuck with DSL a few years ago after checking with Comcast
05:40 PM jthornton: https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com/
05:40 PM jthornton: I'm stuck with satellite
05:41 PM CaptHindsight: yeah we had AT&T fiber 10 ft from our wall, same deal unless we wanted to pay $1200/mo for 10mb up/down
05:41 PM jthornton: WTF, that's crazy
05:42 PM CaptHindsight: we have Comcast now with 50/12mb, but the AT&T fiber is on the other side of a 6" drywall yet they don't offer us service
05:42 PM jthornton: I'll be in another workspace so you will have to ping me to get my attention
05:42 PM CaptHindsight: life in the country
06:26 PM Tom_L: who did the brender example?
06:26 PM Tom_L: and mini
06:27 PM Tom_L: it would be nice if there was a working ini in those example folders
06:27 PM TurBoss: hazzy
06:27 PM Tom_L: expecially for a noob
06:30 PM Tom_L: TurBoss, how do i get the examples copied back into the linuxcnc/configs folder?
06:30 PM Tom_L: there's just xyzab there now
06:30 PM Tom_L: i thought there were more
06:31 PM TurBoss: from the sim folder in qtpyvcp?
06:31 PM Tom_L: i guess yes
06:33 PM TurBoss: can be copied by hand or ran from there
06:34 PM Tom_L: it might be nice to include where those are for noobs somewhere in the install docs or tutorial if they aren't already
06:34 PM Tom_L: ahh. i found just that...
06:34 PM Tom_L: https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com/install/basic_usage.html
06:43 PM * Tom_L[m] uploaded an image: image.png (24KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/ESsqFXbZTGlLXrYuRhdZUMZK >
06:43 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight, that's what the offset widget looks like
06:52 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: thanks
07:08 PM * Tom_L[m] uploaded an image: image.png (30KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/qefnxPSLCRHneMkutoVQylGo >
07:08 PM Tom_L: and all fancied up in probe basic
08:02 PM memfrob: where does the term "probe" come from in this case?
08:02 PM Tom_L: probably his probe routines
08:04 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYfudfrebxY
08:12 PM Lcvette: memfrob: for the integrated one touch probe routines and automatic probe calibration features
08:18 PM CaptHindsight: we are working on a GUI to control DLP/LCD type 3D printers
08:19 PM CaptHindsight: you are mainly moving a Z-axis in one direction while projecting images onto a build platform
08:22 PM CaptHindsight: https://forum.linuxcnc.org/10-advanced-configuration/37617-adding-slicing-to-lcnc-for-dlp-and-lcd-printers
08:23 PM CaptHindsight: after that there are all sorts of GUI's specific to additive manufacturing
08:23 PM CaptHindsight: inkjet, SLA, sand mold printing etc
09:20 PM CaptHindsight: OK install is supposedly working
09:21 PM CaptHindsight: VCP Template behaves as expected
09:21 PM CaptHindsight: now on to Making your first VCP
09:23 PM Tom_L: yay
09:24 PM Tom_L: CaptHindsight do you see an offsets widget on the left pannel? that would indicate you have some of the latest patches installed
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09:27 PM Tom_L: offsetTable
09:42 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: in the VCP Template?
09:56 PM Tom_L: in the designer workspace
09:59 PM CaptHindsight: he did the 0.2.7 install only
09:59 PM CaptHindsight: not the dev/master version
09:59 PM Tom_L: oh
09:59 PM Tom_L: you didn't install the dev tools?
09:59 PM CaptHindsight: want to see it work first before dealing with unstable bleeding edge
10:00 PM Tom_L: makes sense
10:00 PM Tom_L: you will need the dev tools to edit or create one
10:00 PM Tom_L: QT Designer
10:01 PM CaptHindsight: are these dev tools for making GUI;'s or dev tools for making changes to the QTpyVCP tools?
10:01 PM CaptHindsight: ah ok
10:01 PM Tom_L: making gui
10:01 PM CaptHindsight: is this in the howto's?
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10:01 PM Tom_L: that's the work environment for creating gui
10:02 PM Tom_L: the one pulled up is an example file
10:02 PM CaptHindsight: looks like we also need to add that
10:02 PM Tom_L: on the left is the widget list you drag and drop
10:02 PM Tom_L: yes
10:03 PM CaptHindsight: heh, why the *^^$ doesn't somebody write this up in one location like a wiki
10:03 PM CaptHindsight: not 3
10:03 PM Tom_L: they're busy developing it
10:03 PM CaptHindsight: ok
10:03 PM Tom_L: takes time
10:04 PM Tom_L: https://kcjengr.github.io/probe_basic/dev_install.html
10:04 PM Tom_L: start there from step 3 or 4 to get the full dev install
10:05 PM Tom_L: step 3 creates the linux configs directory on a fresh install
10:05 PM Tom_L: otherwise skip that
10:05 PM Lcvette: > heh, why the *^^$ doesn't somebody write this up in one location like a wiki
10:05 PM Lcvette: great!! you agree, so you are volunteering?
10:06 PM Tom_L: last test i did, i virtually copied and pasted the lines to get mine working
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: well we typically have to do everything
10:06 PM Lcvette: thats awesome of you CaptainHindsight!
10:06 PM CaptHindsight: lots of lazy lazy stuff with Linux
10:07 PM CaptHindsight: https://github.com/NTULINUX/RTAI check out the readme's as an example
10:07 PM Lcvette: need more volunteers
10:07 PM CaptHindsight: step by step, it's not soooo hard
10:07 PM Tom_L: when you edit, you will open a .yml file to open the project
10:07 PM Tom_L: unless you're creating a new project
10:07 PM Lcvette: great, get on it
10:08 PM Tom_L: jt did a decent tutorial
10:08 PM CaptHindsight: more lazy peole I see
10:08 PM Tom_L: i followed it
10:08 PM CaptHindsight: this is why so much Linux stuff is so broken
10:08 PM CaptHindsight: expressive writing disorders
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: Tom_L: I'll loook at it more later this week
10:09 PM Lcvette: its becaiuse so many people find it easier to critisize rather then step up and help
10:09 PM CaptHindsight: just got as far as that first step
10:09 PM Tom_L: https://jethornton.github.io/mill_touch_v6/
10:09 PM Tom_L: i think that's it
10:10 PM Tom_L: nope maybe not
10:10 PM CaptHindsight: Lcvette: most are just lazy or can't write
10:10 PM CaptHindsight: monkey see monkey do
10:10 PM CaptHindsight: they don't understand the code
10:11 PM CaptHindsight: they just copy paste modify and pray it works
10:11 PM CaptHindsight: so they can't explain how or why anything does what it does
10:11 PM CaptHindsight: just hack it out
10:11 PM CaptHindsight: no cleanup
10:12 PM CaptHindsight: why most software "almost works"
10:12 PM Lcvette: You sounds like the right person to do the tutorials then if you hold a higher standard!
10:15 PM CaptHindsight: sorry your bar so low
10:16 PM Lcvette: Easy to armchair quarterback if you don't plan on put any skin in the game
10:17 PM memfrob: Easy to a fucking prick on IRC too.
10:18 PM memfrob: *to be
10:18 PM memfrob: I'm out of this toxic wasteland.
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: now I'm concerned that we will have to fix a lot of this project up before it's actually usable
10:22 PM CaptHindsight: not just docs
10:23 PM Lcvette: you should
10:23 PM CaptHindsight: and have to weigh that against working with a dev like you
10:24 PM Lcvette: jump in and do some work then your criticism will be constructive rather then just complaining about using something that is not yet even completed
10:24 PM CaptHindsight: low bar
10:24 PM CaptHindsight: sensitive
10:24 PM Lcvette: whatevs
10:24 PM CaptHindsight: sorry
10:24 PM CaptHindsight: young
10:25 PM Lcvette: not sensitive, just wondering if you will put up or just bitch about using something you didn't build
10:25 PM CaptHindsight: we fix things all the time
10:25 PM CaptHindsight: sensitive is obvious
10:25 PM CaptHindsight: pointless as well
10:26 PM Lcvette: so jump in and help
10:26 PM CaptHindsight: you can't help some people
10:26 PM CaptHindsight: project vs person
10:28 PM Lcvette: clearly, some can't be helped...
10:29 PM CaptHindsight: found the channels big mouth
10:29 PM CaptHindsight: glad you're not a dev
10:31 PM Lcvette: lol.. happy for you
10:55 PM Tom_L: what are "buddies" in the designer
10:55 PM Tom_L: edit: widgets, signals, buddies tab order...
11:01 PM Lcvette: Tom_L (@freenode_Tom_L:matrix.org): buddies?
11:01 PM Tom_L: it's on the designer edit menu
11:02 PM Lcvette: Have not seen that one
11:05 PM Lcvette: Tom_L (@freenode_Tom_L:matrix.org): https://doc.qt.io/archives/qt-4.8/designer-buddy-mode.html
11:07 PM Tom_L: thanks