#garfield Logs
Jul 02 2023
#garfield Calendar
12:00 AM rue_mohr: drove up and down the yard a few times, its a pretty good slope and it was ok
12:11 AM rue_mohr: I have a relay on the battery line as a safety cutout
12:11 AM rue_mohr: incase the fets short
12:11 AM rue_mohr: I wonder if I should mount a motor to the trike :]
12:11 AM rue_mohr: I'll paint it first
10:22 AM polprog: rue_mohr: Tom_L: i've been thinking about switching to matrix for a while now but i don't knwo anyone on there to wararnt the change
10:23 AM polprog: kinda pointless now that unregistered users cannot see the twitter feed,the first reason why i started posting there was sharing projects and image hosting
10:23 AM polprog: i might just set up my own matrix server and post there
10:25 AM polprog: i could host it on polprog.net too
10:33 AM rue_mohr: yea
10:33 AM polprog: i need to ask some friends around how to set that up
10:33 AM rue_mohr: I'll give them a bit to fix twitter, but this feels like a slide to the depths
10:34 AM polprog: yeah elon's idea is probably to make it paid so that it drives away the low effort/poor users
10:34 AM polprog: it will be a premium club of a social network
10:34 AM polprog: which sucks to be honest
10:34 AM polprog: that, or it wil die
10:39 AM rue_mohr: then it'll just fail cause they need tonnes of little followers to feel popular
10:39 AM polprog: yeah
10:40 AM rue_mohr: I dont think this looks good
10:40 AM polprog: i have no idea how on earth i hit 1000+ followers on twitter
10:40 AM rue_mohr: and the super heavy advertizing they are using is crap
10:40 AM polprog: and the amount of people i actually interaced with was 20 at most
10:40 AM polprog: yeah
10:40 AM rue_mohr: yea
10:40 AM rue_mohr: I randomly look into followers, often they are obviously bots
10:41 AM rue_mohr: I wouldn't mind if those accounts were closed and removed from twitter
10:41 AM polprog: some of them yeah
10:41 AM rue_mohr: I'd probably drop to like 200 followers, and if they are real, I'm ok with that
10:41 AM polprog: same here
10:42 AM rue_mohr: the huge follower count amuses me, but its no pride number for me
10:42 AM polprog: yeah, its the same for me
10:42 AM polprog: they dont talk to me
10:42 AM polprog: some of them only click the <3's
10:42 AM rue_mohr: like you say, maybe 20 or so
10:42 AM rue_mohr: the bots randomly do
10:42 AM rue_mohr: I think they favor the ones with lots of likes
10:42 AM polprog: on mastodon I actually get more interactions than in twitter, per follower
10:43 AM rue_mohr: so, every so often, the bots accidently explode a tweet
10:43 AM rue_mohr: you know how every so often a stupid tweet just explodes?
10:43 AM polprog: that shitpost with the spring shaped bike rack exploded
10:43 AM rue_mohr: yea
10:43 AM polprog: 1.5k+ likes why
10:44 AM polprog: and then you post something of value and you get
10:44 AM rue_mohr: so, I'v seen super tech tweets *try* to explode
10:44 AM polprog: 4
10:44 AM rue_mohr: and because no humans interact, it kinda flames out within the bots
10:45 AM rue_mohr: it doesn't help that humans will tend to put a like on something with a lot of likes too
10:45 AM polprog: it gets funny when these exploded tweets get into the feeds of some random people and you get completely out of the blue replies
10:45 AM rue_mohr: I'm sad that all that content cant be publically browsed
10:45 AM rue_mohr: :]
10:46 AM polprog: like. Nobody posts gifs under my tweets except these random people that i never interacted with
10:46 AM polprog: yeah, i dislike that a lot
10:46 AM aandrew: polprog: matrix has an irc bridge, and it's 10,000,000 times better than discord
10:46 AM polprog: a lot of newspapers used to embed tweets
10:46 AM polprog: aandrew: not difficult to be 10'000'000 times better than discord :D
10:46 AM rue_mohr: but, I was looking at matrix, and if I had the right site, still cant just publically browse it
10:46 AM polprog: but i have to look into it
10:46 AM aandrew: :-)
10:47 AM aandrew: I have set up my own lemmy instance (lemmy.mixdown.ca) - federated reddit is interesting
10:47 AM polprog: i was thinking about just moving to pleroma an then linking my profile on my gf's pleroma instance on my website
10:47 AM polprog: so that people can hop on and browse projects
10:47 AM aandrew: it's a challenge to get started in it but once you have a toe-hold suddenly you just find literally *hundreds* of active, thriving communities around specific topics
10:47 AM polprog: aandrew: ooh, ill check it out
10:47 AM rue_mohr: I wonder about eevblog...
10:47 AM rue_mohr: I suppose he's not hosting data (images etc)
10:48 AM rue_mohr: tho, I wonder...
10:48 AM aandrew: you can use my instance for now if you like, I do not have any local content, I just suck in communities from elsewhere but it's ONE place for me to read and interact iwth all of it
10:48 AM aandrew: yeah I wish eevblog would have moved away from smf like ten years ago
10:48 AM polprog: aandrew: ill give it a try when i move to my laptop
10:48 AM aandrew: web forums are just so awful
10:48 AM rue_mohr: even just doing a blog on my site would be better than twitter right now
10:48 AM polprog: right now im ssh'd from my phone and have a bluetooth keyboard attacehd
10:49 AM polprog: rue_mohr: yeah, twitter was for me a replacement blog
10:49 AM aandrew: rue_mohr: yep. for someone like you I think you might like nanoblogger or even something like obsidian (markdown editor) that can publish html
10:49 AM polprog: which was a bad idea, but it was so much simpler and people could interact
10:49 AM rue_mohr: I could even just hand code it
10:49 AM polprog: i have now moved to a more easy approach of markdown to html for the blog
10:49 AM aandrew: no real need to hand code it if you want something simple. that's what I liked about nanoblogger but there's another simple one I was looking at, forget the name now
10:49 AM polprog: a few recent posts were written that way, i just need to make a markdown template
10:50 AM rue_mohr: I was pretty close to a "last post" page that was automatically generated
10:50 AM aandrew: probably just stick with obsidian now and use a publish feature, then add something like discourse for interaction
10:50 AM rue_mohr: hmm
10:50 AM aandrew: there was a really nice way to do that - static site content but pull in comments, it's somewher ein my 400+ tabs
10:50 AM rue_mohr: hmm
10:51 AM aandrew: you know me, I'm all about self-hosting and not relying on could anything
10:51 AM aandrew: cloud
10:51 AM rue_mohr: "cloud free"(c)
10:51 AM aandrew: obsidian's nice in that it's a pretty markdown editor with plugins/api, but at the end of the day everything you put into it is just regular old text files and you're not "stuck" with the editor
10:51 AM polprog: certified bare metal [tm]
10:51 AM aandrew: haha
10:51 AM rue_mohr: oo tm is better
10:51 AM polprog: my gf uses obsidian for organizing
10:51 AM rue_mohr: "cloud free"[tm]
10:52 AM aandrew: yeah I just found obsidian this week and half the people I mention it to are like "what? I've been using it for years, where have you been?"
10:52 AM aandrew: I like that Certified Bare Metal
10:53 AM rue_mohr: there is that *other* thing with twitter too
10:53 AM rue_mohr: it doesn't show you all the posts from all the people your following...
10:53 AM rue_mohr: https://homemadegarbage.com/
10:54 AM rue_mohr: oh that doesn't work properly in my old browser either
10:54 AM polprog: rue_mohr: did you try mastodon yet?
10:55 AM aandrew: I like mastodon, I keep forgetting to stick with it
10:55 AM rue_mohr: I dont think I could get in on any servers that looked stable
10:55 AM polprog: aandrew: you followed me on mastodon reecntly right?
10:55 AM aandrew: it's federated too. I mean federation is *good* but people haven't figured out a way to make the federated part easy
10:55 AM aandrew: polprog: yep
10:55 AM polprog: ^^
10:56 AM aandrew: I think I'm on mastodon.social, I need to set up mastodon.mixdown.ca
10:56 AM aandrew: actually I need m.mixdown.ca and l.mixdown.ca :-)
10:56 AM polprog: didnt you have a redmine on mixdown?
10:56 AM rue_mohr: https://homemadegarbage.com/ <-- actually, thats funny, you EXPECT a page like that to be slathered in ads, and there are none!
10:56 AM aandrew: I like how you have your own site/server and don't have to worry about other people's shit
10:57 AM polprog: yeah
10:57 AM aandrew: polprog: yep I had redmine and gnu-social as well, along with prosody
10:57 AM polprog: and you can just defederate with all the idiots
10:57 AM aandrew: when my esxi server got owned back in february I haven't set them back up
10:58 AM polprog: thats a nice project site
10:58 AM rue_mohr: what is homemade using for that anyhow....
10:59 AM rue_mohr: this looks suspiciously like custom code...
11:00 AM aandrew: hm just found this now that you've pushed me into this rabbit hole: https://isso-comments.de/
11:02 AM rue_mohr: <everyone does reading>
11:03 AM polprog: i was thinking if i should add comments to my blog
11:03 AM polprog: maybe i will go that pleroma way
11:04 AM polprog: that i post stuff there, and then i make it into a long read blog post and you can comment in real time as i make it on pleroma
11:04 AM rue_mohr: hmm, even if I cant put a database on the site, maybe it could come from home
11:05 AM aandrew: jekyll seems to be the big one in self-hosted (or github hosting) stuff but that's not what I found
11:06 AM rue_mohr: hmm sqlite is on the server I use
11:07 AM polprog: user input is a lot of hassle and vulns
11:07 AM polprog: aand you have to moderate it so they dont post spam or worse things
11:07 AM rue_mohr: yea, I was supposed to kinda spread myself over a bunch of sites, and I sat too heavy on twitter
11:08 AM aandrew: hexo looks interesting, have to re-research static blog generators that support things like code snippets, graphs, etc.
11:08 AM polprog: hm, i could use some markdown with extra sauce that would hilight my code
11:08 AM rue_mohr: :] I want a report on what you find ok?
11:08 AM rue_mohr: so googling rue_mohr...
11:09 AM polprog: i got mathjax working for rendering formulas... but i never found anything that was nice for syntax hilighting
11:09 AM aandrew: polprog: unless you're getting a lot of attention I would disagree - comments aren't hard to moderate and at least to start, just have it email you to approve a comment.
11:09 AM polprog: and id like to make that server side, ie static
11:09 AM polprog: aandrew: hm, right, maybe im paranoid
11:09 AM aandrew: we all want the same thing :-)
11:09 AM aandrew: wish I could remember wtf I found
11:09 AM polprog: lol
11:10 AM rue_mohr: [twitter], then my site, github, hackaday, thingiverse printables, yeggi!?, .... ... ... robotshop, ... misc...
11:11 AM polprog: whats yeggi?
11:11 AM rue_mohr: omg, I found rifraf
11:11 AM rue_mohr: http://roboreprap.com/
11:11 AM polprog: ooooooo
11:11 AM rue_mohr: broken as hell, but there
11:11 AM polprog: when was the last post?
11:12 AM polprog: i never met him but he seems to be a fine guy
11:12 AM rue_mohr: I cant find the main page...
11:12 AM aandrew: wow hexo doeesn't look bad at all.
11:12 AM polprog: gotta run help with the dinner
11:12 AM polprog: i have to set up matrix and irc bridges
11:12 AM polprog: o7 brb
11:13 AM * rue_mohr follows polprog :D
11:13 AM polprog: ^^
11:13 AM polprog: laters
11:14 AM aandrew: eleventy also looks decent but I have to dig more
11:14 AM aandrew: yeah I kind of want dinner too
11:30 AM Tom_L: https://streamable.com
11:32 AM rue_mohr: it would be nice to have a REST site that works in any browser
11:33 AM rue_mohr: REST? is that the one compiled into static content?
11:35 AM Tom_L: i refuse to 'join' anything social
11:35 AM aandrew: https://nicolashery.com/moving-a-blog-from-jekyll-to-eleventy/ looks like a nice "why would we use this" for eleventy
11:36 AM aandrew: forget the "from jekyll" part
11:52 AM aandrew: hugo/eleventy seem to be the two main contenders for what *I* want at this point
11:53 AM aandrew: I don't think that's it though... I think staticman was what started me down this trail a while ago
11:55 AM aandrew: hm no, staticman was what took care of user comments etc, but that seems overkill now compared ot issa
11:55 AM aandrew: isso
12:33 PM aandrew: rue_mohr: https://pagenode.org/ might be more your style if you want to be bare bones. single php file that gathers up all the textfiles and makes html from them
12:34 PM aandrew: not specifically static but pretty simple
12:58 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, my general goal was to spread word that I exist
01:09 PM Tom_L: what? you're not a bot?
01:14 PM rue_mohr: not yet :(
01:17 PM rue_mohr: aandrew, ooo
01:18 PM rue_mohr: I want to submit entries as modules and have them "lazy loaded" so people can satify their infinite scrolling
01:18 PM rue_mohr: comments would be nice too, so
01:26 PM aandrew: yeah infinite scroll is nice, that's a feature I'd like too, but that would suggest dynamic not static pages, I think
01:27 PM aandrew: so far it looks like eleventy or hugo I think
01:29 PM aandrew: there's hexo too but I have a feeling that if I'm investing time in doing this I don't want to paint myself in a corner. hexo's got lots of plugins too but seems kind of ... disorganized?
01:30 PM aandrew: I might have to take my words back, this was on hexo and unless I confused myself, did infinite scroll
01:30 PM aandrew: https://chrisbergeron.com/
01:31 PM aandrew: also I just scrolled past the thunderbolt pcie card, he got one too for the same purpose I did, now I'm down THAT rabbit hole
01:31 PM aandrew: ah, it's not infinite scroll, but it isn't loading images until you get to them. not sure if that's a site thing or a browser thing, but I haven't noticed it before
01:36 PM aandrew: yep
01:36 PM aandrew: "Primary tweak is adding an image lazyload js script.
01:37 PM aandrew: metalsmith.io keeps coming up too
01:38 PM aandrew: holy rabbit holes today: https://justine.lol/sectorlisp2/
01:41 PM aandrew: rue_mohr: careful of that last one. I have a feeling you'll get sucked into that very easily
01:49 PM aandrew: hah, https://utteranc.es/ is a slick way to do comments for static sites, relying on github issues. not for me since it relies on github, but a nifty idea.
03:45 PM polprog: pretty sure yosys site is on hugo
03:45 PM polprog: gf says hugo is cool and she recommends it
03:47 PM polprog: she says that her site runs on this https://github.com/imdario/zas
03:48 PM polprog: spookbench.net is the site
03:50 PM polprog: she says that zas is minimalist and if you are not scared to modify it, it can be greatly extended
03:50 PM polprog: and hugo is more out of the box
03:51 PM polprog: for the record what i currently do is write down my thoughts in loose markdon then when i want to move it out of ircjunk to blog, or just want to read it i convert that markdown to HTML and go with that
03:52 PM polprog: what i dont have yet, is some script that would append a generated header that sets all the nonsense like titles, "go up" lnks etc (the header) and load some CSS to keep the HTML more inline with the older posts
03:52 PM polprog: the older posts were written in pure html based on the template, which was cumbersome
03:53 PM polprog: jeez, ages ago i would write down my personal notes in pure html with a lot of <hr /> and the like...
03:53 PM polprog: which was not bad, but markdown beats it all
03:54 PM Tom_L: asciidoc
03:55 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx14_install_index.php
03:55 PM Tom_L: asciidoc
03:56 PM polprog: syntax hilighting and no unnecesary indent in code that screws up python? im sold
03:56 PM polprog: thank you!
03:57 PM polprog: looks very nice, good!
03:57 PM Tom_L: that's pretty old
03:58 PM Tom_L: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/stable/html/
03:58 PM Tom_L: that might be asciidoc but i'm not sure
03:58 PM Tom_L: https://www.sphinx-doc.org/en/master/
03:59 PM Tom_L: is another one but i haven't used it
03:59 PM Tom_L: https://www.gnipsel.com/linuxcnc/debian-12-eth.html
03:59 PM Tom_L: sample
03:59 PM polprog: i know sphinx
03:59 PM polprog: i like asciidoc
03:59 PM polprog: ill try it at home
03:59 PM Tom_L: have fun
04:00 PM Tom_L: i dunno if i have a template or not
04:00 PM Tom_L: been quite a while
04:01 PM polprog: thanks
04:05 PM Tom_L: i'll post what i found
04:08 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/polprog/
04:20 PM Tom_L: that's about all i can find right now
04:20 PM Tom_L: not even sure where that page source is
04:22 PM aandrew: heh my stuff is all just text files, no markup, so I'm trying to get a little more organized. I used to use gnu-social (and statusnet before that, and yammer before that) as a "mental dbus" which was decent but for my eyes only, pulling stuff out of that to create a template for a blog entry or a shopping list or a todo or whatever was part of the plan
04:23 PM aandrew: asciidoc looks a little too spartan for my needs, but I love the simplicity. That was always by "gotcha" point - I want simple but if I find I need to throw a graph or a code snippet or something I haven't thought of yet in, I don't want to break out of the templating system
04:28 PM polprog: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/emc/xilinx/xilinx92_install_index.php so ISE 9.2 can build VHDL for Spartan 2?
04:28 PM Tom_L: probably
04:28 PM polprog: i have a small spartan 2 or 3 (idk) board that i was trying to get ise for..
04:28 PM polprog: ill have to look at it
04:29 PM Tom_L: i went thru those once to find where things switched arch
04:29 PM Tom_L: ask rue maybe he remembers
04:29 PM Tom_L: i went thru that with him once
04:31 PM polprog: not the most important thing right now, but ill ask
04:31 PM polprog: i like asciidoc's more readable than markdown, especially with images
04:31 PM polprog: it seems to be
04:31 PM polprog: ill have to test it in action
04:31 PM polprog: Oh, by the way
04:31 PM polprog: on the 10th I have my thesis defence
04:31 PM polprog: i will be a physics engineer if i pass!
04:31 PM Tom_L: IF?
04:32 PM polprog: it's a formality but technically its possible to fail that
04:32 PM Tom_L: man, i forgot what i knew about asciidoc
04:32 PM Tom_L: you can test it on their site
04:33 PM polprog: yeah, i saw
04:33 PM polprog: allright, i gotta head to sleep.. early morning wakeup tomorro
04:33 PM Tom_L: i guess you do the content then publish (compile) it?
04:33 PM polprog: we are leaving the apt we rented for the week and coming home
04:34 PM polprog: munchen-warsaw, whole day of driving
04:34 PM polprog: goodnight
04:34 PM Tom_L: later
05:09 PM rue_mohr: I bought it
05:10 PM rue_mohr: one of them
05:12 PM Tom_L: oen what?
07:04 PM rue_mohr: a cnc
08:07 PM Tom_L: what brand is the cnc?
08:08 PM Tom_L: hope you don't leave it ouside
08:10 PM Tom_L: will grbl control that spindle?
08:10 PM Tom_L: is it vfd?
08:11 PM Tom_L: nice find
08:14 PM Tom_L: did you see it move?
08:21 PM aandrew: how much did you pay for it at the estate sale?
08:22 PM Tom_L: <rue_mohr> I gave them $550
08:22 PM Tom_L: <rue_mohr> the orig offer was $500, I didn't feel right taking it even just for that much
08:23 PM aandrew: ah I missed that
08:23 PM aandrew: I gotta get my bridgeport clone sold
08:35 PM rue_shop2: why not use it?
08:49 PM aandrew: hm?
08:49 PM aandrew: me?
09:40 PM rue_mohr: yea
10:08 PM aandrew: well we're trying to move, I won't be taking it with me
10:09 PM rue_mohr: oh on
10:09 PM rue_mohr: oh no