#garfield Logs
Nov 18 2022
#garfield Calendar
12:27 AM rue_mohr: 130 youtube subscribers...
05:38 AM rue_mohr: ok I'm awake
05:38 AM rue_mohr: no sleep
05:38 AM rue_mohr: this sucks
05:38 AM rue_mohr: Tom_L, your up with me, right?
05:38 AM rue_mohr: polprog, you too?
05:39 AM rue_mohr: nope rue, your alone
05:39 AM rue_mohr: ok, fine, you will do
05:39 AM rue_mohr: oops
05:39 AM rue_mohr: database
05:39 AM rue_mohr: yes....
05:39 AM rue_mohr: first test, print all records, yes?
05:39 AM rue_mohr: sure
05:41 AM rue_mohr: select * from transistors;
05:55 AM rue_mohr: aandrew, my other goal is to make something for parametrically searching schematics
05:56 AM rue_mohr: I dont have a solution for scanning them all yet
05:56 AM rue_mohr: and I dont know if I want to do it with a feeding scanner at only 600dpi
06:04 AM rue_mohr: polprog, what do you think of myles :] looks like a person gettin himself into lots of myschief
06:20 AM rue_mohr: https://www.linuxlinks.com/BlueGriffon/
06:20 AM rue_mohr: ah, this would help
06:20 AM rue_mohr: kompozzer is blocking up a bunch of upgrades I need
06:30 AM rue_mohr: wait I'm confused
06:31 AM rue_mohr: "here is the source" <-> "what liscence do you want?"
06:35 AM rue_mohr: wtf, why tote an "html editor" if its only doing syntax lighting for html source???
06:35 AM rue_mohr: notepad++ can probably do that
06:55 AM rue_mohr: dear god trying to compile this is insane
06:57 AM rue_mohr: oh wow I forgot about this
06:58 AM rue_mohr: it needs autoconf 2.13, but my system can only get 2.69
06:58 AM rue_mohr: this is why only the developer can compile the project
06:58 AM rue_mohr: its built specicailly around their mixed set of partially obsolete packages
07:03 AM rue_mohr: this is bound to be trouble
07:08 AM rue_mohr: zippo:/files/programming/src/blueGriffon# uptime
07:08 AM rue_mohr: 05:06:29 up 159 days, 20:33, 0 users, load average: 1.49, 1.42, 1.73
07:10 AM rue_mohr: huh
07:10 AM rue_mohr: its screwing with the video drivers
07:10 AM rue_mohr: and realizing I have a custom kernel
07:12 AM rue_mohr: its running grub for the 4th time...
07:17 AM rue_mohr: I think I'll have to fight to get X working again next time I reboot
07:17 AM rue_mohr: I usually do tho
07:17 AM rue_mohr: I need to do a new kernel that works iwth the new tripplehead video card I got
07:18 AM rue_mohr: and I need to get a kernel made up with proper working nfs
07:21 AM rue_mohr: well, I suppose this is how my upgrade plan goes
07:22 AM rue_mohr: leave it alone when it working, till it doesn't, then go thru a huge @!%#!$^!#^~@#$
07:29 AM aandrew: rue_mohr> aandrew, my other goal is to make something for parametrically searching schematics
07:29 AM aandrew: yeah that's something bigger for sure
07:30 AM aandrew: I keep having that dream with altium and a dblib. got as far as designing the schema but it's a lot of damn work
07:33 AM rue_mohr: its the same technical problem
07:34 AM rue_mohr: a varied set of fields that needs to be parametrically searchable
07:34 AM rue_mohr: it doesn't really matter if its a transistor or a schematic
07:34 AM rue_mohr: er
07:34 AM rue_mohr: it doesn't really matter if its an electronic component or a schematic
07:35 AM rue_mohr: each class of component and each class of schematic have different params
07:45 AM rue_mohr: after messing up my kernel and 28 minutes later
07:45 AM rue_mohr: 28:26.93 /files/programming/src/blueGriffon/bluegriffon-source/config/recurse.mk:32: recipe for target 'compile' failed
07:45 AM rue_mohr: 28:26.95 make[3]: *** [compile] Error 2
07:45 AM rue_mohr: 28:26.95 /files/programming/src/blueGriffon/bluegriffon-source/config/rules.mk:519: recipe for target 'default' failed
07:45 AM rue_mohr: 28:26.95 make[2]: *** [default] Error 2
07:45 AM rue_mohr: 28:26.95 /files/programming/src/blueGriffon/bluegriffon-source/client.mk:419: recipe for target 'realbuild' failed
07:45 AM rue_mohr: 28:26.95 make[1]: *** [realbuild] Error 2
07:45 AM rue_mohr: 28:26.95 client.mk:170: recipe for target 'build' failed
07:45 AM rue_mohr: 28:26.95 make: *** [build] Error 2
07:46 AM rue_mohr: NEVER EVER EVER try to compile an open source package
07:46 AM aandrew: sure, but I'd consider a schematic as an assembly - so the schematic has a "part number" and is composed of the parts that are already in the database
07:47 AM rue_mohr: no no no
07:47 AM rue_mohr: not like that
07:47 AM aandrew: but yes - at the core it's a database which has fields you can search on
07:47 AM rue_mohr: select * from oscillators where Vcc=5 and freqency>500Hz and frequency<6Mhz
07:48 AM rue_mohr: no parts involved in the schematics
07:49 AM rue_mohr: and I'm sure the heck not going to put resistors and capacitors in my databse!
07:49 AM rue_mohr: not adding stock counts either
07:49 AM rue_mohr: complete waste of time
07:49 AM rue_mohr: "I have to put a capacitor in this circuit, just give me 2 minutes to update the stock count"
07:50 AM rue_mohr: "oops, I need 4.7uF, not 10, give me another 2 mintues"
07:50 AM rue_mohr: XXX no
07:50 AM rue_mohr: I want the transistor and circuit databases for FINDING things
07:50 AM rue_mohr: not cataloging them
07:59 AM rue_mohr: in 3 minutes I need to wake up and put the garbage out
07:59 AM rue_mohr: this is going to be hard
08:02 AM rue_mohr: yea imagine that, it was 8G of source code and it failed to compile
08:09 AM rue_mohr: ugh, that must have been the 3 minutes
08:13 AM aandrew: rue_mohr> select * from oscillators where Vcc=5 and freqency>500Hz and frequency<6Mhz
08:13 AM aandrew: sure I get it
08:13 AM aandrew: inventory system with the concept of part parameters should do it
08:13 AM aandrew: but I'm not sure how the schematics play into that
08:18 AM aandrew: also I totally get the idea that keeping inventory numbers accurate is a pain, but it seems that you'd want some idea of what you have so when you use the last (or are down to 2 or 3) you know before you need them and they're gone, although they're in your database
08:25 AM rue_mohr: no tho, not inventory...
08:25 AM rue_mohr: just a .. card file for a collection
08:26 AM rue_mohr: I want to be able to search for schematics by paramaters
08:26 AM rue_mohr: I dont want to know what I have
08:26 AM rue_mohr: I want to know what transistor can take 250V and has a gain of more than 41
08:26 AM rue_mohr: sorted by the current they can take, cause 400mA would be ok, but 1A would be great
08:27 AM rue_mohr: unless its in a huge package, in which case I'll go lower
08:27 AM rue_mohr: eh?
08:27 AM rue_mohr: I have like 200 oscillator schematics
08:28 AM rue_mohr: to find one that does 50% duty, runs off 12-15V, and has a fixed freqency of about 20kHz, I have to flip thru all off them!
08:30 AM rue_mohr: thats why I'd never store capacitors or resistors in a database like that
08:31 AM rue_mohr: I know they exist, so I dont care
08:31 AM rue_mohr: I want the database for designing stuff
08:31 AM rue_mohr: I cant think of much other than transistors for components I'd put in there
08:31 AM rue_mohr: well
08:32 AM rue_mohr: diodes
08:32 AM rue_mohr: trying to find a shottkey that can take more than 60V at 2A was hard
08:32 AM rue_mohr: turns out most of the higher voltage diodes are just "fast"
08:32 AM rue_mohr: with voltage drops of like 1.5V
08:33 AM rue_mohr: being toted as "low saturation voltage"
08:33 AM rue_mohr: srsly?
08:33 AM rue_mohr: well I got the garbage out
08:35 AM rue_mohr: this is why I think I have to make it myself
08:35 AM rue_mohr: I dont know if anyone else is on the same wavelength
09:19 AM aandrew: "search for schematics by parameters" - what do you mean? "which schematics have 2N3906s in them?" "which schematics have a 5V oscilaltor between 8MHz and 24MHz?" type stuff?
09:27 AM aandrew: onestly it just sounds like you want a parametric search of some of the parts you have (had) in your workshop. Like a digikey parametric search but restricted to stuff you should have within reach
09:27 AM aandrew: I still think that parts_manager repo would probably do it, just ignore the quantity field
10:24 AM aandrew: wow
10:24 AM aandrew: aliexpress shipping is fast again
10:24 AM aandrew: got trimmer caps, some little dev boards etc today, all were ordered on Nov 7
01:40 PM aandrew: odd request: I'm trying to get in touch with WB7TEM; I know his name and address but I'd like to send an email... is there a directory for radio amateurs with this in it that's perhaps open only to other radio amateurs?
01:49 PM Tom_L: https://repeaterbook.com/index.php/en-us/
01:50 PM Tom_L: login req
01:51 PM Tom_L: https://www.hamqth.com/WB7TEM
01:52 PM aandrew: heh
01:52 PM aandrew: ok I'll just sign up with my dad's creds
01:52 PM Tom_L: that him>
01:52 PM Tom_L: ?
01:52 PM aandrew: hm, his most recent address that I have is WA not OR but that's not that far away
01:56 PM aandrew: QRZ shows the right address but no contact
01:57 PM aandrew: yeah if I log in to HamQTH that's the right name and such
01:58 PM aandrew: kind of looks like this guy doesn't have anything registered anywhere
03:24 PM rue_mohr: aandrew, nope
03:24 PM rue_mohr: I have 200 oscilltors
03:24 PM rue_mohr: I want to find an oscillator that runs on 5v, and has 50% duty square wave output
03:24 PM rue_mohr: so I want to put that stuff into the search params and have it list matching oscillators
03:26 PM rue_mohr: but each type of circit is a different list of params
03:26 PM rue_mohr: like fet driver circuits are differeent, and power supplies are different again
03:26 PM rue_mohr: and motor drivers
03:27 PM rue_mohr: I have about 500 schematics in my book
03:27 PM rue_mohr: finding things, even with the catagories is laborious
03:27 PM rue_mohr: I want a parametric search
04:04 PM Tom_L: linux memory useage program?
04:06 PM rue_mohr: source code for a wysiwyg html editor
04:06 PM rue_mohr: there are no more editors like that
04:06 PM rue_mohr: everyone writes source
04:06 PM rue_mohr: and then goes back and forth to/from their browser to see what the change did
05:03 PM rue_mohr: oops, I messed up the libraries for kicad yesterday
05:04 PM rue_mohr: oh Tom_L did you mean you were looking for one?
05:19 PM aandrew: rue_mohr: I get the parametric search part. I don't ge the schematic part
05:20 PM aandrew: Tom_L: top, vmstat, /proc/[pid]/meminfo (I think)
05:20 PM rue_mohr: I have hundreds of schematics
05:20 PM Tom_L: htop
05:20 PM rue_mohr: I want to search them
05:20 PM Tom_L: btop
05:20 PM rue_mohr: top
05:20 PM rue_mohr: htop is nice
05:21 PM aandrew: if I can get past the fucking docker error for this parts_manager thing I could see if it can do parametric search
05:21 PM Tom_L: docker sucks
05:21 PM rue_mohr: heh
05:21 PM rue_mohr: I need to make a docker image for kompozer
05:22 PM rue_mohr: its the only way I can keep using it with the library conflicts
05:22 PM aandrew: yeah docker seems like this almost-so-good thing but then shits the bed like almost every other attempt at making linux "easy"
05:23 PM rue_mohr: the concept is stupid "I cant make my software work for you computer, so here is an image of mine"
05:23 PM rue_mohr: with the "its not a virtual machine tho"
05:23 PM rue_mohr: it came with "oh yea, this program is 8G of source code"
05:26 PM rue_mohr: so, one of the twitter people said something interesting
05:26 PM rue_mohr: use gmail to compose your html and copy it off he site
05:29 PM aandrew: yeah I mean it sidesteps the ardrous task of "here's the minimum system requirements" and allows you to run both package A which has requirements A' and package B which has requirements B', and A' and B' can't exist together
05:29 PM aandrew: so I like it for that
05:30 PM rue_mohr: it shouldn't be neccisary, but yes.
05:31 PM rue_mohr: abandonware is not what I expected open source to be like back in 1994
05:31 PM rue_mohr: and its mostly caused by abandonlibs
05:33 PM rue_mohr: librecad is dieing trying to keep up with the changes to QT
05:34 PM rue_mohr: FFFFFFFFFFFF
05:34 PM rue_mohr: I really scewed up the system libraries yesterday
05:34 PM rue_mohr: kicad and abiword are broken
05:37 PM rue_mohr: abiword
05:37 PM rue_mohr: (abiword:31645): Clutter-CRITICAL **: 15:35:33.669: Unable to initialize Clutter: Unable to initialize the Clutter backend: no available drivers found.
05:37 PM rue_mohr: ** (abiword:31645): WARNING **: 15:35:33.669: clutter failed -3, get a life.
05:37 PM rue_mohr: Aborted
05:37 PM rue_mohr: grrrr
05:40 PM rue_mohr: wow thats messed up
05:40 PM rue_mohr: this computer might be broken for a bit
05:43 PM rue_mohr: well damn
05:43 PM rue_mohr: I broke things
05:43 PM rue_mohr: as soon as I saw it trying to screw with my video drivers I should have stopped
05:44 PM rue_mohr: I have to figure out how to migrate my system to 64 bits anyhow
05:44 PM rue_mohr: it'll reap havvoc on the memory tho
05:45 PM rue_mohr: I rely on software trying to pull more than 2G of ram segaulting as a means of bloat-control
05:45 PM rue_mohr: well, nedit still works
05:53 PM rue_mohr: I cant seem to save a clip from the gmail web page to anything
05:53 PM rue_mohr: abiword should work, if I can get it working
05:53 PM rue_mohr: but
05:53 PM rue_mohr: it looks like last night the video drivers were uninstalled
05:53 PM rue_mohr: and I cant reinsall them with X running
05:53 PM rue_mohr: and I'm not going to close X if I dont have to
08:26 PM aandrew: hm apparently my toroids from aliexpress are from the "iraq code store"
08:27 PM rue_mohr: huh
08:27 PM rue_mohr: do you think they are polorized with top iraq secrets?
08:32 PM aandrew: heh
08:38 PM rue_mohr: well, having broke softwares sucks
08:38 PM rue_mohr: ironically, compozer the program I'm trying to replace, still works
08:39 PM rue_mohr: when I can replace it, I can upgrade firefox and icedove
08:40 PM rue_mohr: Your miniFETDrv2.kicad_pcb boards are on a manufacturing panel.
08:41 PM rue_mohr: I'v got the database up and..... your all gone again aren't ya?
08:49 PM aandrew: I"m still here
08:49 PM aandrew: brain is fried but I'm here
08:52 PM rue_mohr: I got the database up and the php frame connecting
08:52 PM rue_mohr: I need to write a results template file
08:52 PM rue_mohr: I'm trying to zoom out and see if there are things I shoudl be working on while I have some time
09:01 PM aandrew: yeah I"m not sure what I want to do
09:01 PM aandrew: feels like a lazy night
09:06 PM rue_mohr: can you pull out a pi with a camera and get it booting?
10:09 PM rue_shop1: Tom_L, when you get at the power supply for the printer, I'd like to see a more closeup of that switch
10:30 PM rue_shop1: heh, kicad randomly imploded on me on this computer
10:32 PM rue_shop1: man the kicad ui is so aweful
10:32 PM rue_shop1: who the hell has the screen center on zoom
10:32 PM rue_shop1: seriously