#garfield Logs
Apr 20 2022
#garfield Calendar
06:42 PM rue_mohr: I installed 13.0.1 like tara
07:01 PM rue_mohr: ok
07:01 PM rue_mohr: see if I can find a 64 bit machine and install quartus
07:03 PM rue_mohr: hey Tom_L
07:04 PM Tom_L: ?
07:05 PM rue_mohr: get ideas for christmas molds to make?
07:05 PM rue_mohr: think I should try induction heating a pipe?
07:05 PM rue_mohr: 60Hz?
07:07 PM Tom_L: plastic?
07:24 PM rue_mohr: yea
07:24 PM rue_mohr: want an outline of a raindeer to try making a mold for?
07:26 PM rue_mohr: extrude it, round the edges, give it a little ring to hang by
07:29 PM rue_mohr: I wonder how many amps it would take to heat a steel pipe
07:29 PM rue_mohr: well, wait a sec
07:30 PM rue_mohr: 9.9 x10-9 ohms /m
07:30 PM rue_mohr: 9.9 x10-8 ohms /m
07:31 PM rue_mohr: how do I calulate this...
07:31 PM Tom_L: i would entertain a look
07:31 PM rue_mohr: so the tube is ..
07:32 PM Tom_L: just a flat mold?
07:34 PM rue_shop3: the steel pipe is 1.3mm thick
07:35 PM rue_shop3: the ID is 26.8mm
07:35 PM rue_shop3: for that loop, what is the resistance
07:36 PM rue_mohr: lets use aweful math
07:36 PM rue_mohr: 1.3mm is equiv to about
07:37 PM rue_mohr: 1.69mm^2 lets say
07:37 PM rue_mohr: equiv dia 1.466mm
07:38 PM rue_mohr: equiv 15awg
07:39 PM Tom_L: so 14 or 16
07:39 PM rue_mohr: which would be 0.0104ohms/m
07:39 PM Tom_L: 15 isn't a thing
07:39 PM rue_mohr: fake guages are ok here
07:39 PM rue_mohr: cause...
07:39 PM rue_mohr: steel is 9.9 and copper is 1.7
07:40 PM rue_mohr: so steel is 5.82x the resistance
07:40 PM rue_mohr: which means is 0.06ohms/m
07:40 PM rue_mohr: so
07:41 PM rue_mohr: I'm working with about 84mm
07:41 PM rue_mohr: about 5milli ohms
07:42 PM rue_mohr: ok
07:42 PM rue_mohr: I want about 200w
07:42 PM rue_mohr: zippo:/morfiles/programming/OneBit# ohm -r 0.005 -p 200
07:42 PM rue_mohr: Power is: 200.000W
07:42 PM rue_mohr: Current is: 200.000A
07:42 PM rue_mohr: Voltage is: 1.000V
07:42 PM rue_mohr: Resistance is: 5.000mOhms
07:43 PM rue_mohr: ok, 200A thru the steel pipe
07:43 PM rue_mohr: which means 1A * 200 turns
07:44 PM rue_mohr: see, bad math eh?
07:44 PM rue_mohr: hey, I can try it
07:45 PM rue_mohr: I dont know how I regulate the 1A
08:21 PM rue_shop2: I think there is something wrong with that math
08:22 PM rue_shop2: installing quartus II
08:24 PM rue_shop2: I think the i960 has jtag...
08:24 PM Tom_L: how big a reindeer?
08:24 PM Tom_L: lifesize?
08:24 PM Tom_L: yard ornament..
08:24 PM Tom_L: tree ornament
08:24 PM Tom_L: keychain ornament
08:24 PM rue_shop2: oh, I recon... 7 or 8cm
08:25 PM rue_shop2: maybe 5mm thick?
08:25 PM rue_shop2: fit between some 1/4" aluminum plates?
08:25 PM rue_shop2: give-aways
08:25 PM rue_shop2: I can load an injector with all sorts of random colours
08:25 PM rue_shop2: rainbow deer
08:26 PM Tom_L: would give me an excuse to send this bender
08:26 PM rue_shop2: or brown... I dont think this always works
08:26 PM rue_shop2: bender?
08:26 PM rue_shop2: oh hah
08:26 PM rue_shop2: if you like
08:26 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A9_New/MODS/fixture/A9_Fixture18.jpg
08:27 PM rue_shop2: I'd like do something that gets us christmas gifts out of the way
08:27 PM rue_shop2: if we hurry we can get it in time
08:27 PM Tom_L: i need to sit down one of these days and figure out my steel tool list feeds and speeds
08:27 PM Tom_L: i've never really done that for steel
08:28 PM Tom_L: alum seems to work rather well
08:28 PM rue_shop2: a plastic mold could be alum
08:28 PM Tom_L: i know
08:29 PM rue_shop2: I'm willing to do alumum ones
08:29 PM rue_shop2: I'd just like to try the palstic thing
08:30 PM rue_shop2: once I get the stupid injector made I could make molds here
08:30 PM rue_shop2: if we did up raindeer I could send you a bunch :)
08:30 PM Tom_L: possibilities are endless
08:30 PM Tom_L: i don't need a bunch
08:30 PM rue_shop2: you can give one to everyone for christmas
08:31 PM rue_shop2: :) "there I gave you seomehing"
08:31 PM Tom_L: i can count those on one hand
08:31 PM rue_shop2: give the ugly ones to people you hate :)
08:32 PM rue_shop2: I dont understand "web edition"
08:32 PM rue_shop2: to me, that means its online
08:32 PM rue_shop2: it seems to mean "downloadable on the web"
09:20 PM rue_shop2: quartus is pissing me off
09:20 PM rue_shop2: because it keeps changing names
09:20 PM rue_shop2: and it did't load its libraries
09:21 PM rue_shop2: and one is missing
09:25 PM Tom_itx: so i did a quick test on this roughing cutter just now: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/cutters/Carbide_rougher2.jpg
09:25 PM Tom_itx: 3500 rpm full width .250 thru some .250 alum at 20 ipm and it cut like butter
09:25 PM Tom_itx: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/cutters/Carbide_rougher4.jpg
09:25 PM Tom_itx: mean lookin critter ehh?
09:26 PM rue_shop2: yea
09:26 PM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
09:35 PM rue_shop2: the freaking web browser wont work on this machine
09:35 PM rue_shop2: the freaking quartus libaryeslj must have f(&^*%&*ed it up
09:35 PM rue_shop2: ./quartus: error while loading shared libraries: libpng12.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
09:35 PM rue_shop2: and its not like its working either
09:38 PM Tom_L: i think i've been down that road in the past and that's why i used webpack and xilinx
09:48 PM rue_shop2: smashing it with a hammer
09:48 PM rue_shop2: hey its up
09:48 PM rue_shop2: I will have to work out what else it broke on the machine
09:48 PM rue_shop2: it looks just like the xilinx program
09:49 PM Tom_L: details...
09:49 PM Tom_L: yeah it does the same thing
09:49 PM rue_shop2: same panes and stuff
09:50 PM Tom_L: you got a jtag that will work on it?
09:50 PM Tom_L: you know they're not the same..
09:50 PM Tom_L: supposedly they are but proprietery n all..
09:50 PM rue_shop2: I'v already said hello to a cyclone II
09:50 PM rue_shop2: via jtag
09:50 PM Tom_L: did it take you for a ride in the air?
09:51 PM rue_shop2: :)
09:51 PM rue_shop2: I have a few of the cyclone II chips
09:51 PM Tom_L: the mesa guy is having to rework his boards with some other fpga since he can't get xilinx
09:51 PM Tom_L: messing up the whole process
09:51 PM rue_shop2: its a messa?
09:52 PM Tom_L: big one yeah
09:52 PM rue_shop2: heh I have no idea what to do
09:53 PM Tom_itx: https://www.ameede.com/reindeer-e0014080-file-cdr-and-dxf-free-vector-download-for-laser-cut/
09:54 PM rue_shop2: I can turn an svg into a dxf for you
09:54 PM rue_shop2: would you like me to convert you a raindeer?
09:54 PM Tom_L: if you found one you like
09:54 PM Tom_itx: data:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wCEAAkGBwgHBgkIBwgKCgkLDRYPDQwMDRsUFRAWIB0iIiAdHx8kKDQsJCYxJx8fLT0tMTU3Ojo6Iys/RD84QzQ5OjcBCgoKDQwNGg8PGjclHyU3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3N//AABEIAIQAgwMBIgACEQEDEQH/xAAcAAEAAgMBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAABgcDBAUBAgj/xAA6EAABAwMDAgMGBAQFBQAAAAABAgMEAAURBhIhMUETUWEHFCJxgaEVMkKRI1JisTNyosHwU4KSwuH/xAAZAQEAAwEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIEAwX/xAAgEQADAAIDAQEAAwAAAAAAAAAAAQID
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09:54 PM rue_shop2: not yet, wrestling with this
09:54 PM Tom_itx: 9AM8A9Tk5xj1FVuttcS2KUormb+nLxDmawk6gvT3gNFbjyEqSSQo4ShOB5JJ/arU0drm1aiuEi329mSlTLYdDjqAErTnHY8c+eM/SozZtN6TKgzHYiynD0S+tS93yCjg/QVM7Pa028BqHHZjM/yMthI/YVbGmvpTLc14iSDpSvE/lGa9rqcBSlKAUpSgFKUoBSlKA42pocuXbpDcF8svqRhCxxg/Pt86ou9RrvAklLsaQ0MDO5okZ892CDn0NfowgEYNacqO2lBWEjPyqlY1fp0jI48KFt8u5Kt5YlSlmPu3IZ+JIT17ED+1dm42W4Wtpty4Riyl4DZ8QPlwcdDWK7PK/HJruAopkuHB74UQP7VnvV+W4xNbnXIyxIuKpUVBCssMlICW+R15PAyOOvNZ9LvZpXJtJIxWq2y7rNUxCZ8VaRvVyBgY65PrWtc
09:55 PM Tom_itx: /fIMeRFS67EV4uHEpRvysYGCBnPb7V7BurnuFyj2i5GBNkttpZkncPDKXAo9ATykEdPSsmqZ5flTpzJ6bnEE8ZISMH06ZqFrSYfKaaaI/AlXNmWwhRdkpC/4iW2VrJHp8IwfmRV26ElXR60D8cSlD5cPgoKty0t4GAs9CrOenbA5OazotSXfjbGUnpXShQRH5wP2rTEKfDNkyO/TJcpJix1OAE4BPFczS2pYWo4CJcJZIPCkLwFoPkRXUnt+JHUOtUzpF1em/adKtZVsjyypKR0BP50fYqH1o61SQiFUv8AUXhSuVeb5Ds0JUuc8lplABUtXrxit+K+mSyl1sgpUMgjuKuU0zNStebKREbK19AMmtaDdYtztiZ0J5DrDicpUk/85oRr6aOqNVQNNw/eZylbd21KGxlaj6CuzFfRJjtvNnKFpCgSMcGqR1m4
09:55 PM Tom_L: friggin links
09:55 PM Tom_itx: rUet49oSoqQFpYPPn8bn+kfarthoDUdCQAABwB2qk1ybOuSFKX6zPSmaVc5CtO6SER4jjjmdqUknFblcfUqCu3PAfyGofhK9ICbZGccelOtb3XlqcUlRyE5OcVAdUNlOo5ze3wwlYCEgYG3AxirMxhgfKtC/2KFdG1SZDnuzrQJMjjhI5+L0HNebts9TBknHW2VrHKmpDbqBlxDo2jGd2SMD65xVm3jT0S4xZTCB7ut1KkpWgcJyOuK5enNO23xGrk3cE3JKFHwlN4De4d+Cckep444qUgkIUQOckVPnRXPlnJW0S+yPIkQUOt/lPGD1BHBBrfPSo5o53dFfA/J7y6B9FYP3BqSV6K8PNfpCtW6wOnZMf3mG+5FdJCnkY2oPlz3P+1Vdry9wZ17tl6sa1qfZwpYUhSMKSoKSOfqOM1e9xjxXUESEJUk9QRk
09:55 PM rue_shop2: thats what we call an inline image there tom
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09:55 PM rue_shop2: wonderous
09:55 PM rue_shop2: :)
09:55 PM rue_shop2: hahhahahaa
09:55 PM rue_shop2: the new web sucks
09:58 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/A2/reindeer.jpg
09:58 PM Tom_L: etsy wanted me to buy that one so i screen captured it
09:58 PM rue_shop2: I cant
09:58 PM rue_shop2: open link
09:58 PM rue_shop2: s
09:59 PM rue_shop2: the web browser is severly broken due to library conflicts with quartus
09:59 PM Tom_L: sure it, it works here
09:59 PM Tom_L: sure is.
09:59 PM rue_shop2: I know
09:59 PM rue_shop2: its the libaries I had to add to *this* system to make quartus work
09:59 PM rue_shop2: they f*&*^*&^ED the web browser
09:59 PM Tom_L: linux or windoz?
09:59 PM rue_shop2: linux
10:00 PM Tom_L: so reinstall ff
10:00 PM rue_shop2: I know whate it is
10:00 PM rue_shop2: I forced all the quartus liabries
10:00 PM rue_shop2: but I"m trying to play with quartus and I'll fix it later
10:00 PM rue_shop2: I wan tot compile a thing for a cyclone II
10:03 PM rue_shop2: EP2C5F256C8
10:04 PM rue_shop2: 4608 LEs
10:04 PM Tom_L: i've already got a model of it
10:04 PM rue_shop2: ok, sorry, I'm kinda locked to this for a min
10:05 PM rue_shop2: I can turn off all the libarrayies I added but its either all on or all off right nwo
10:06 PM Tom_L: needs to be scaled but i got the most of it
10:06 PM Tom_L: may try with newer sw but i didn't wanna have to reboot
10:07 PM rue_shop2: :)
10:07 PM Tom_L: haven't lost my touch yet
10:08 PM Tom_L: says the 2d distance from hoof to horn is 383"
10:08 PM Tom_L: so i may need to scale it a tiny bit
10:08 PM rue_shop2: heh
10:08 PM rue_shop2: I was going to say that .383" is kinda small
10:10 PM rue_shop2: ok I loaded the .v file for counting
10:10 PM rue_shop2: but I need to work out how to assign pin io
10:11 PM Tom_L: expand the menu and you will find a pin assignment thingie
10:11 PM Tom_L: menu on the left
10:11 PM rue_shop2: yea....
10:11 PM rue_shop2: fitter?
10:11 PM Tom_L: probably
10:11 PM rue_shop2: chip planner
10:11 PM Tom_L: i don't have any of that stuff open
10:11 PM rue_shop2: cant load libarary jhKUHIY(^*%^*OUH
10:11 PM rue_shop2: this is quartus
10:12 PM Tom_L: i know what you're working with
10:12 PM Tom_L: but you said it was similar to xilinx
10:12 PM rue_shop2: Can't open editor -- can't load library "libace_acvq.so".
10:12 PM Tom_L: shit install
10:12 PM rue_shop2: whats funny, is that I have to write that pin file myself in the other program too
10:12 PM rue_shop2: cause the thing doesn't work for it either
10:13 PM Tom_L: it works in windows, i've never tried that in webpack for linux
10:13 PM rue_shop2: oh I should put it on that new windows machine
10:13 PM rue_shop2: I havn't wiped that laptop I bought for school
10:15 PM rue_shop2: "compile was successfull"
10:16 PM rue_shop2: how, you dont know what the pins are...
10:18 PM Tom_L: it may compile but has no routes
10:18 PM Tom_L: technically it shouldn't
10:18 PM rue_shop2: I must need to click another button somwhere
10:18 PM rue_shop2: tharen't aren't even any warnings
10:18 PM rue_shop2: it should be upset
10:19 PM Tom_L: a couple buttons lower synthesize it for a chip probably
10:19 PM Tom_L: and generate a bit file
10:19 PM Tom_L: etc etc
10:19 PM Tom_L: lets you test the process as you go
10:20 PM rue_shop2: undefined symbol: _ZTV18PGMIO_FILE_OPTIONS
10:21 PM rue_shop2: if I knew more I probably woulnd't need the wizards
10:22 PM rue_shop2: ugh its stuck
10:23 PM rue_shop2: pulled the rug on its libararies, lets see your raindeer...
10:23 PM rue_shop2: yea nice
10:23 PM rue_shop2: I'm gonna go make supper and lick my wounds
10:23 PM Tom_L: heh
10:23 PM Tom_L: i'm gonna go sleep soon
10:24 PM rue_shop2: I wonder if I can even isntall that version of quartus on windows
10:24 PM rue_shop2: I might run into antoher mess
10:24 PM Tom_L: should arrive at some sort of reindeer size in case i work on it tomorrow
10:25 PM rue_shop3: 7 or 8 cm long should be ok
10:25 PM rue_shop3: nice nicknack size
10:25 PM Tom_L: should be big enough i can get a cutter in the horns
10:27 PM Tom_L: you think it needs a plastic escape route like the other mold?
10:29 PM rue_mohr: no
10:30 PM rue_mohr: I think the air can escape between the plates
10:30 PM rue_mohr: I can put a lot of pressure on it
10:30 PM Tom_L: ok
10:30 PM rue_mohr: as such, we want the entry not between the edges, but in the side of one of them
10:31 PM rue_mohr: so that as I press the plastic in, I'm squeezing the plates teogethor
10:31 PM Tom_L: from the body? sideways
10:31 PM rue_mohr: V
10:31 PM rue_mohr: ===
10:32 PM Tom_L: right
10:32 PM rue_mohr: plastic into the top plate with it all in a press
10:32 PM rue_mohr: I'll push on the piston of the injector
10:33 PM rue_mohr: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/collections/products/fpga/software/downloads.html?s=Newest&f:guidetmD240C377263B4C70A4EA0E452D0182CA=[Quartus%C2%AE%20II%20Software;Quartus%C2%AE%20II%20Web%20Edition]
10:33 PM rue_mohr: I'll need that in a sec
10:36 PM Guest39rue: could you echo that back to me?
10:37 PM Guest39rue: mmm
10:38 PM rue_mohr: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/collections/products/fpga/software/downloads.html?s=Newest&f:guidetmD240C377263B4C70A4EA0E452D0182CA=[Quartus%C2%AE%20II%20Software;Quartus%C2%AE%20II%20Web%20Edition]
10:48 PM Tom_L: yeah but i was afk
10:50 PM rue_mohr: ok
10:50 PM rue_mohr: its downloading,
10:50 PM rue_mohr: half hour later
10:52 PM rue_mohr: https://twitter.com/TarableI/status/1515174427583041538
10:52 PM rue_mohr: she isn't doing the same thing
10:58 PM Tom_L: gnite
10:58 PM rue_mohr: night
11:46 PM rue_mohr: hahaha
11:46 PM rue_mohr: windows cant open a .tar file
11:46 PM rue_mohr: I got winzip from the ms app store and it wants me to pay $70
11:46 PM rue_mohr: f that
11:47 PM rue_mohr: so I installed an OOLD version of winzip, but it cant handle files larger than 4G
11:47 PM rue_mohr: hahaha