#garfield Logs
Jan 09 2022
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04:51 AM rue_mohr: twitter says 224k people have seen the captcha tweet
05:00 AM rue_mohr: "switch to a professional account to broaden your reach" I wonder, if they push a tweet more, or dont throttle it for that
05:34 AM rue_mohr: huh
05:34 AM rue_mohr: so, the bigtrak has a LOT of ommisions in the manual
05:35 AM rue_mohr: turning is done with values 1-60
05:35 AM rue_mohr: but they dont say what happens if you say 0 or more than 60
05:35 AM rue_mohr: the repeat command has an argument for how many commands to repeat, but it can only take programs up to 16 commands,
05:36 AM rue_mohr: so, what if you tell is to go back more than 16?
05:36 AM rue_mohr: or 0
06:43 AM Tom_L: morning
01:47 PM rue_bed: morning
01:47 PM rue_bed: 11:30 again
01:47 PM rue_bed: huh
01:48 PM rue_bed: nobody replied to anything eh?
01:48 PM rue_bed: this laptop has issues
01:49 PM rue_bed: mostly batteyr repated
01:49 PM rue_bed: ok, what am I doing todya
01:49 PM rue_bed: maybe some software
01:50 PM rue_bed: I realised that having a kinda generic simple programming thing for the bots would be neat
01:50 PM rue_bed: framed out some bigtrak like software
01:50 PM rue_bed: M00N,
01:50 PM rue_bed: familiar with big trak?
01:53 PM rue_bed: hmm
05:04 PM rue_mohr: hahah
05:04 PM rue_mohr: were familiar with paged memory
05:04 PM rue_mohr: the TMS1000 also had "chapters"
05:05 PM rue_mohr: pages of pages
07:14 PM rue_mohr: 2204
07:14 PM rue_mohr: ok thats different, not going crazy
07:15 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, remember big trak?
07:16 PM Tom_L: not so much no
07:16 PM rue_mohr: the 6 wheeled programmable thing
07:20 PM Tom_L: not so much no
07:20 PM rue_mohr: surprised people in seattle robotics were messing with them alot
07:21 PM rue_mohr: it was, like the #1 plaform for diy robots
07:22 PM Tom_L: they did alot of FIRST stuff
07:22 PM Tom_L: $$
07:22 PM rue_mohr: wow yea that was a money sponge
07:23 PM Tom_L: what was that cross country thing too?
07:23 PM Tom_L: navigational bot
07:23 PM rue_mohr: oh yea, everywerhe
07:23 PM rue_mohr: there were a few teams here
07:23 PM rue_mohr: went to vancouver and some beyond
07:23 PM Tom_L: the organisation had a name
07:24 PM Tom_L: z
07:24 PM Tom_L: government funded?
07:24 PM rue_mohr: it cost so much the kids were slaves to large corp sponserships
07:24 PM Tom_L: or sponsored
07:24 PM rue_mohr: it was kinda sickening
07:24 PM rue_mohr: someone was raking in money
07:24 PM Tom_L: how do you think the military gets ideas?
07:26 PM Tom_L: i'm doing some practice drawings in sw
07:26 PM Tom_L: i'm bored
07:28 PM rue_mohr: heh
07:29 PM Tom_L: 143 to choose from
07:29 PM Tom_L: but i forgot sw... i never use it
07:30 PM rue_mohr: :) I think the handle is SW
07:30 PM Tom_L: what handle?
07:30 PM rue_mohr: should I throw it to you, you can see if you can make it a real handle instead of.... what it is....
07:30 PM rue_mohr: on the paint sprayers
07:31 PM rue_mohr: hah, gonna have to give you a cut soon!
07:31 PM Tom_L: oh the plastic one
07:31 PM Tom_L: no
07:31 PM rue_mohr: I sent a handle didn't I?
07:31 PM Tom_L: probably
07:31 PM rue_mohr: I thought I tried to send you a whole kit
07:31 PM Tom_L: you did
07:31 PM rue_mohr: k
07:31 PM rue_mohr: I wonder if it was for 3" or 6+"
07:32 PM Tom_L: it's in the box in the corner on top of another box in the corner....
07:32 PM Tom_L: short
07:32 PM rue_mohr: :)
07:32 PM Tom_L: i showed you a pic
07:32 PM rue_mohr: hah, and I'm the one that sent it ;)
07:32 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Can_Holder/Can_holder_assy.jpg
07:32 PM rue_mohr: did you have anyone to show the cast box you designed?
07:32 PM Tom_L: nobody but me cares here
07:33 PM rue_mohr: oh well
07:33 PM Tom_L: i may have showed my kids
07:33 PM rue_mohr: its too bad the casting itself didn't come out better
07:33 PM Tom_L: the draft is a bit much
07:33 PM Tom_L: but i suppose it has to be
07:33 PM rue_mohr: many times me and the guys looked at that handle and rolled our eyes
07:34 PM rue_mohr: but part of the issue is that it needs to have a flat side to be printed
07:34 PM Tom_L: what's wrong with it?
07:34 PM rue_mohr: its not shapley AT ALL
07:34 PM Tom_L: mmm
07:34 PM rue_mohr: we just copied the other guys design
07:34 PM Tom_L: make a plastic mold
07:34 PM rue_mohr: they asked to tilt it back a bit, so we did that
07:34 PM Tom_L: and an injection mold thingy
07:35 PM rue_mohr: its small enough to chew out on the cnc machines
07:35 PM rue_mohr: given a few days
07:35 PM Tom_L: you could make different colored sides that snap in to make it more ergonomic
07:35 PM rue_mohr: we dont know the source of the design, we think the other guy made a lame copy of something
07:36 PM rue_mohr: there is a set screw in the top that...
07:36 PM rue_mohr: come to think of it, thats always a problem splitting the handle
07:36 PM rue_mohr: if it WAS two sides, we can drop a nut into it
07:36 PM rue_mohr: .....
07:37 PM rue_mohr: it could just be glued togethor too
07:37 PM rue_mohr: nothing to worry about servicing
07:37 PM Tom_L: more work for you
07:37 PM rue_mohr: ~
07:37 PM Tom_L: and it would take more plastic or do you do a 100% infill on that?
07:37 PM rue_mohr: 3 or 4 dowels, some glue and time
07:38 PM rue_mohr: we give it about 5 layers
07:38 PM rue_mohr: more than a normal print, they are hard on them
07:38 PM Tom_L: 2 halves would increase the plastic useage
07:38 PM Tom_L: you'd have another surface
07:38 PM rue_mohr: I can print with no bottom layer
07:39 PM Tom_L: don't know if that would be strong enough
07:39 PM Tom_L: they're probably pretty hard on them
07:39 PM rue_mohr: if there are a few pins and a lot of glue it might be stronger
07:39 PM rue_mohr: use 1/16 rod for pins too
07:40 PM rue_mohr: damn I been at the desk almost all day
07:40 PM rue_mohr: :/ work tommorow
07:40 PM Tom_L: i think i just locked sw
07:40 PM rue_mohr: and I'm set to stay up till 4am
07:41 PM rue_mohr: better take a melatonin at 9
07:41 PM Tom_L: how much do you take?
07:41 PM rue_mohr: 1/2 pill
07:41 PM Tom_L: iirc she takes 10mg
07:41 PM rue_mohr: or I'm a zombie in the morning
07:41 PM Tom_L: started at 3
07:41 PM Tom_L: i can usually sleep anywhere anytime
07:42 PM Tom_L: 5 min and zzzzzzz
07:42 PM rue_mohr: with the time off recently I been monitoring
07:42 PM rue_mohr: I alsmost never get drowsy even
07:42 PM Tom_L: i dunno if i could make a steel mold that big
07:43 PM rue_mohr: last night I didn't start to get tired till like 4am
07:43 PM rue_mohr: hah
07:43 PM Tom_L: you could pour them from alum
07:43 PM rue_mohr: no need for steel
07:43 PM rue_mohr: they want them light
07:43 PM Tom_L: the mold
07:43 PM Tom_L: like the other one i sent
07:43 PM rue_mohr: the last guy was using hdpe
07:43 PM rue_mohr: solid
07:43 PM rue_mohr: ran them thru a thickness planer to get 15mm wide
07:44 PM Tom_L: season starting up?
07:44 PM rue_mohr: no
07:44 PM rue_mohr: they sent us about 12 for repair tho
07:44 PM Tom_L: what breaks?
07:44 PM rue_mohr: they broke two handles
07:44 PM rue_mohr: a few springs
07:45 PM rue_mohr: that chain link
07:45 PM rue_mohr: some of them get loose
07:45 PM Tom_L: there's a place here that makes springs
07:45 PM rue_mohr: heh
07:45 PM rue_mohr: whats their min volume?
07:45 PM Tom_L: used to be anyway
07:45 PM rue_mohr: and setup fee :)
07:45 PM Tom_L: nothing is the same nowdays
07:45 PM rue_mohr: no
07:45 PM rue_mohr: nobody wants to make anything
07:45 PM Tom_L: i have no idea, i've never been in
07:45 PM Tom_L: probably a cnc winding machine
07:45 PM rue_mohr: well can you find me a contact email?
07:46 PM Tom_L: http://www.kscoilspring.com/
07:46 PM rue_mohr: I asked a place in china
07:46 PM rue_mohr: at our volume it was not gonna work
07:47 PM Tom_L: i doubt anybody will work for low volume
07:49 PM Tom_L: https://www.manta.com/c/mmcf5qr/r-r-spring-manufacturing-co-inc
07:50 PM Tom_L: must not have a 'real' website
07:51 PM Tom_L: unless they moved neither are the one i was thinking of
07:51 PM rue_mohr: oh drat
07:51 PM rue_mohr: heh I emailed the first one anyhow
07:51 PM Tom_L: but they could have moved
07:52 PM rue_mohr: thats what I mean, you kinda have to be there to know the right shop
07:52 PM Tom_L: checking google maps for something
07:54 PM rue_mohr: you should see the fun were having trying to get 1/4" 15mm pins
07:54 PM rue_mohr: +0 -2mm
07:54 PM Tom_L: what 15 in inch?
07:54 PM Tom_L: i can get dowel pins
07:54 PM rue_mohr: there is the local shop, I need to ask if their lathe has an autofeed
07:55 PM rue_mohr: 15mm +0mm -2mm
07:55 PM rue_mohr: 1/4" dia
07:55 PM rue_mohr: ;) canada
07:55 PM Tom_L: 9/16
07:55 PM Tom_L: long
07:55 PM Tom_L: ?
07:56 PM rue_mohr: sounds ok
07:56 PM Tom_L: 5/8 too long?
07:56 PM rue_mohr: yes
07:56 PM Tom_L: would be more readily available
07:56 PM Tom_L: or 1/2
07:56 PM rue_mohr: +0 -2mm
07:56 PM rue_mohr: partner got a bunch of 5/8"
07:57 PM Tom_L: too short?
07:57 PM Tom_L: long...
07:57 PM rue_mohr: suppose can can grind them all
07:57 PM Tom_L: for dowel pins the coarser fraction would be available
07:57 PM rue_mohr: just thought to put it out on twitter
07:58 PM rue_mohr: you connected with any of the shops there enough?
07:58 PM rue_mohr: stupid easy for a cnc lathe with feeder
07:58 PM Tom_L: https://www.fastenal.com/products/details/74169
07:59 PM rue_mohr: tahst who we got the wrong ones from
07:59 PM Tom_L: but fastenal is $$$
07:59 PM rue_mohr: cant be 5/8"
07:59 PM Tom_L: my local tool guy has them
07:59 PM Tom_L: i dunno what lengths he stocks
07:59 PM Tom_L: but the common ones he would
07:59 PM rue_mohr: in 9/16"
07:59 PM rue_mohr: ?
07:59 PM Tom_L: maybe
07:59 PM rue_mohr: cant be 5/8"
08:00 PM rue_mohr: 15mm max
08:00 PM Tom_L: https://amesweb.info/Fasteners/Pins/Dowel-Pin-Sizes-Chart.aspx
08:01 PM rue_mohr: catalogs dont help, we need to be abel to get them
08:01 PM Tom_L: no but they tell you what is manufactured
08:01 PM rue_mohr: gettin way too done with "yea, thats a listed product, but we cant get you any"
08:01 PM Tom_L: 1/2 5/8 3/4...
08:02 PM rue_mohr: nope
08:02 PM Tom_L: no point in looking then
08:04 PM Tom_L: so charts do help :)
08:06 PM rue_mohr: not sure why people don't stock 1/4"x15mm dowels :)
08:06 PM Tom_L: change the hole size and get metric dowels
08:06 PM rue_mohr: or just use hens teeth?
08:07 PM rue_mohr: asking for metric things in canada is futile
08:07 PM Tom_L: 6mm come in 22mm lengths
08:07 PM Tom_L: 8mm come in 22mm lengths
08:08 PM rue_mohr: hahahah
08:08 PM rue_mohr: lets try this
08:08 PM rue_mohr: what comes in 15mm lengths?
08:08 PM Tom_L: 6mm come in 14mm lengths
08:08 PM rue_mohr: ok
08:08 PM Tom_L: and 16mm
08:08 PM rue_mohr: just a sec
08:08 PM rue_mohr: zippo:/files/graphics/pictures/2022/temp# units 0.25inch mm
08:08 PM rue_mohr: * 6.35
08:09 PM rue_mohr: seems to me that .35mm isn't much of a structural diff
08:09 PM Tom_L: they're only $14 ea
08:09 PM Tom_L: https://www.grainger.com/product/GRAINGER-APPROVED-Dowel-Pin-1TY29
08:09 PM rue_mohr: ugh
08:09 PM rue_mohr: how many before I would break even on buying an old cnc lathe?
08:10 PM Tom_L: 25/100
08:10 PM Tom_L: https://www.mscdirect.com/browse/tnpla/68077965
08:11 PM rue_mohr: 25c ea
08:11 PM Tom_L: unless the end is too rounded for you
08:11 PM rue_mohr: so, at $20/hr on the lathe
08:11 PM rue_mohr: 80pcs/hr
08:11 PM Tom_L: and cutoff loss per bar
08:12 PM rue_mohr: yea I made a formed cutter to round both ends
08:12 PM rue_mohr: but we have a nub on one end
08:12 PM Tom_L: so set up a jig for a bandsaw
08:12 PM Tom_L: get some drill rod
08:12 PM Tom_L: water hardened is cheaper than oil hardened
08:12 PM rue_mohr: the rod isn't a problem
08:13 PM rue_mohr: the 1/4" plated from the hardware store is what we been using
08:15 PM Tom_L: what about roll pins?
08:16 PM rue_mohr: the last guy was using 1/4" copper pipe
08:17 PM Tom_L: https://www.mscdirect.com/product/details/01049212
08:18 PM Tom_L: https://www.walmart.com/ip/Uxcell-6mm-X-14mm-304-Stainless-Steel-Dowel-Pin-10-Pack/970423563
08:18 PM Tom_L: haha walmart will sell you some
08:18 PM Tom_L: SS
08:19 PM Tom_L: shelf supports
08:20 PM rue_mohr: ... heh
08:20 PM rue_mohr: that.... might be...
08:20 PM rue_mohr: oh god $$$
08:21 PM Tom_L: ali might have those cheap if you search shelf supports
08:21 PM rue_mohr: yea
08:21 PM rue_mohr: I didn't think to take the dia to metric
08:21 PM Tom_L: industry doesn't mix dimensions
08:22 PM * Tom_L gives up on sw
08:22 PM rue_mohr: just crashing?
08:22 PM Tom_L: i dunno what happened
08:22 PM Tom_L: i think it froze
08:23 PM rue_mohr: ugh, ali did something to their images recently and I cant see most of the product photos
08:26 PM rue_mohr: ugh, digit entry sucks
08:26 PM rue_mohr: flipping state machiens
08:26 PM Tom_itx: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002995961156.html
08:27 PM rue_mohr: meh
08:27 PM rue_mohr: 20pcs for $9.7x
08:27 PM rue_mohr: 50c ea
08:27 PM Tom_L: mmm
08:28 PM rue_mohr: this is cool tho
08:28 PM rue_mohr: I think its just a matter of finding it
08:28 PM rue_mohr: or I work out how to make a self feeding chuck
08:28 PM rue_mohr: the edge to making a cnc lathe keeps getting closer
08:28 PM Tom_L: just put a stop on your toolpost
08:28 PM rue_mohr: I wonder how much a hydraulic chuck costs
08:29 PM Tom_L: $$$
08:29 PM rue_mohr: ...used? :)
08:29 PM Tom_L: you need a pump & plumbing too
08:29 PM rue_mohr: different target tho, then I'd have a self feeder
08:29 PM rue_mohr: tools are a different budget
08:30 PM Tom_L: the screw machines i ran had a collet feeder with a stop inside the machine for the bar
08:30 PM rue_mohr: how did the grab/release work?
08:30 PM Tom_L: then you need a feed tube and stand at the other end of 12' bars
08:31 PM rue_mohr: bars are only 36"
08:31 PM Tom_L: or the bar will whip around and knock you on your ass
08:31 PM Tom_L: i don't mess around :)
08:31 PM Tom_L: the bars we ran were all 12'
08:31 PM Tom_L: 6 at a time
08:31 PM rue_mohr: :/ I need food
08:31 PM Tom_L: or 8
08:31 PM rue_mohr: how did the collette grab/release tho...
08:32 PM Tom_L: it was a spring type collet
08:32 PM Tom_L: hang on
08:33 PM Tom_L: https://www.google.com/search?q=new+britain+feed+tube+collet&client=firefox-b-1-d&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=62g6ilkghxUO1M%252CoXTN07J7Hr_BYM%252C_%253BhW-xkfEdfH64nM%252Cx3M5m3cngycL6M%252C_%253BCga1C0elo5ZaPM%252CoXTN07J7Hr_BYM%252C_%253BekaZhK6dPMxwkM%252CoXTN07J7Hr_BYM%252C_%253Bd88p-xFQ-HW2EM%252CoXogoIwxjAyA5M%252C_%253Bes1b26wBWNHUxM%252C2Vb_JBPRMykHiM%252C_%253BPz6mf5U6iRuEYM%252CoXTN07J7Hr_BYM%252C_%253BedEhTE5u93LggM%252CVTByZP
08:33 PM Tom_L: Yjqsx6uM%252C_%253BBnNYLGl6jkq4bM%252C8tQ0NxjXOyXkEM%252C_%253B7QOhg2uBTMBqwM%252Cx3M5m3cngycL6M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kR4gv0bJCqbzKu6eOsCiAPApHAbpw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi429z5jqb1AhU_k2oFHWU3D54Q9QF6BAgiEAE#imgrc=62g6ilkghxUO1M
08:33 PM Tom_L: shit
08:33 PM rue_mohr: yea thanks google
08:33 PM Tom_L: https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/123124421236_/Hardinge-22D-1-1-32-ACME-GRIDLEY-Collet-Feed-Finger-Bar.jpg
08:34 PM Tom_L: then the regular collet would clamp the bar
08:34 PM Tom_L: that thing would spin with the bar
08:34 PM rue_mohr: how does it get squeezed tho?
08:34 PM Tom_L: just spring tension
08:34 PM rue_mohr: how is it released tho
08:34 PM Tom_L: that screwed into a feed tube
08:34 PM Tom_L: just push it thru
08:35 PM Tom_L: it doesn't release
08:35 PM rue_mohr: but youhave to grab the material
08:35 PM rue_mohr: to spin it...
08:36 PM Tom_L: that pushed the material forward when needed and another collet clamped it
08:36 PM rue_mohr: yea, its that clamping collar I'm interested in
08:36 PM rue_mohr: casue its machine operated, not operator
08:37 PM rue_mohr: somehow, pushing the material foward seems trivial
08:37 PM Tom_L: i can't find a pic of the feed tube
08:38 PM Tom_L: but a fork went around a ring on it and pushed the material via cam when it came time
08:38 PM rue_mohr: ok, so a kinda push-release ring
08:38 PM rue_mohr: like on an impact driver
08:38 PM Tom_L: the feed tube spun with the material
08:39 PM rue_mohr: yea
08:39 PM Tom_L: it was held against the bar with that spring collet
08:39 PM rue_mohr: totally interested in how the grab/release for turning it worked
08:39 PM Tom_L: that whole thing fit inside the regular collet tube
08:39 PM Tom_L: which clamped down on the bar for machining
08:47 PM Tom_L: mmmm google doesn't want to remember them
08:47 PM rue_mohr: all that more reason I need to know
08:47 PM Tom_L: i found a pdf on screw machines
08:47 PM rue_mohr: I have to focus for a bit and solve this state machine in the code
08:47 PM Tom_L: no good diagrams
08:48 PM Tom_L: when the whole 6 spindle carriage rotated to the next position it actuall would be lifted up before it turned
08:48 PM Tom_L: to minimize wear on the bushings it was on
08:50 PM Tom_L: ok...
08:50 PM Tom_itx: http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/584/23952.pdf
08:50 PM Tom_L: have a hoot figuring that out :)
08:51 PM Tom_L: i ran that 61
08:51 PM Tom_L: along with a 60 51 52 & 812
08:52 PM rue_mohr: my buddy (who helps with the sprayers) is cursed
08:52 PM rue_mohr: damned if I understand it
08:52 PM Tom_L: P 21 shows the feed arrangement
08:52 PM rue_mohr: ok
08:52 PM Tom_L: i think
08:52 PM rue_mohr: just about set the kitchen on fire again
08:52 PM Tom_L: no, that's the tool side
08:53 PM rue_mohr: must not forget cooking supper
08:53 PM Tom_L: closer to P41
09:01 PM rue_mohr: is that a multi-spindle?
09:01 PM Tom_L: 6
09:02 PM Tom_L: and one or more stations could have a spindle brake on it for side operations
09:02 PM Tom_L: so it had clutches for each spindle
09:02 PM Tom_L: and brakes
09:03 PM rue_mohr: the collet looks like its closed by a compression spring, a lever pushes it forward, aka out of the taper holder
09:04 PM Tom_L: on 41?
09:04 PM Tom_L: the bottom diagram on 41 shows the feed tube
09:04 PM rue_mohr: no, flipping pages too fast, stand by
09:04 PM Tom_L: it only engages at one station
09:05 PM Tom_L: i saved the pdf for posterity
09:09 PM Tom_itx: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjF2frblqb1AhWvk2oFHUUABBIQFnoECBgQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forgottenbooks.com%2Fen%2Fdownload%2FAutomaticScrewMachines_10039482.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0EfmWwyq70yWan-h-uTdq8
09:09 PM Tom_L: more general history of them
09:14 PM Tom_L: oh there was also a model 62
09:15 PM Tom_L: 60 60 62 were older and the 51 52 & 812 were a bit newer
09:15 PM Tom_L: 60 61 62...
09:18 PM rue_mohr: why is key input always such a nightmare
09:18 PM rue_mohr: I need to work this out
09:18 PM Tom_L: ?
09:18 PM rue_mohr: every time
09:18 PM rue_mohr: state machines
09:19 PM rue_mohr: like number entry
09:23 PM Tom_itx: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WH12VtsIVs
09:29 PM rue_mohr: oh wow, must be a small shop, he sent me an answer already
09:29 PM Tom_L: for?
09:29 PM Tom_L: the springs?
09:29 PM rue_mohr: that first spring company you listed
09:29 PM rue_mohr: I emailed them
09:29 PM Tom_L: on a sunday!
09:29 PM rue_mohr: yea
09:29 PM rue_mohr: "small shop'
09:29 PM rue_mohr: says the min is $250
09:30 PM rue_mohr: which could work
09:30 PM rue_mohr: we would end up with a lifetime of springs
09:30 PM Tom_L: i could take one by and show him sometime
09:30 PM rue_mohr: oh, cool I sent him an image too
09:30 PM rue_mohr: he didn't answser me about setup feed
09:30 PM Tom_L: get his name?
09:31 PM rue_mohr: Justin Caywood
09:31 PM Tom_L: what pic did you send?
09:32 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/tempimage/p1220607.jpg
09:32 PM Tom_L: what quanity for $250?
09:32 PM rue_mohr: min order value
09:32 PM rue_mohr: I presume they could do more than 500 for that
09:32 PM Tom_L: most of that is likely setup
09:32 PM rue_mohr: could be
09:33 PM Tom_L: then another $$$ for shipping
09:33 PM rue_mohr: yea, its close to not making it for sure
09:33 PM rue_mohr: I dont know how many springs we can make in an hour
09:34 PM Tom_L: cost & reliability kept me from shipping a programmer to that guy right now
09:34 PM rue_mohr: maybe I should do some spring making
09:35 PM rue_mohr: awe damnit, I meant to put the knock switch into my desk light
09:39 PM rue_mohr: ok, first key recieved has to be a command
09:39 PM rue_mohr: second key has to be a digit
09:40 PM rue_mohr: third key can be a command or second digit
09:41 PM rue_mohr: if its a second digit, the first digit has to go X10
09:41 PM rue_mohr: but the value going in was zero
09:41 PM rue_mohr: so if I X10 before I do the digit, its all fair
09:46 PM rue_mohr: if you just got a second digit, you have to submit the command to the program buffer
09:47 PM rue_mohr: and if you got 1 digit and then a command you need to submit it then process the new command
09:47 PM rue_mohr: fun?
09:48 PM Tom_L: doesn't sound like it
09:52 PM rue_mohr: I'd love to have been the original 4 bit software
10:01 PM rue_mohr: ui code is always the worst
10:10 PM rue_mohr: ok, I think I did it
10:20 PM Tom_L: i won't remember that spring company so you may have to remind me if you want me to inquire
10:21 PM rue_mohr: oh yea, pages of errors from this code
10:21 PM Tom_L: i don't htink it's far from me
10:21 PM Tom_L: SW blvd was it?
10:21 PM rue_mohr: ok, I'll see what he says on price too
10:21 PM rue_mohr: drat I lost that info
10:22 PM Tom_L: if so it's likely only a couple miles away
10:22 PM Tom_L: 4310 Southeast Blvd
10:23 PM Tom_L: hmm SE not SW
10:23 PM Tom_L: that's a bit further
10:24 PM Tom_L: ahh i know right where that is
10:26 PM Tom_L: https://public.cummins.com/sites/CSP/Lists/ArchivedBecomeSupplierReq/Attachments/2092/2017%20KCSC_Brochure_Approved.pdf
10:27 PM rue_mohr: they must do aviation stuff, it sounds like they are used to procedure hell
10:27 PM rue_mohr: "approved"
10:27 PM Tom_L: yes
10:27 PM Tom_L: this town does aviation
10:28 PM rue_mohr: yea
10:28 PM Tom_L: we are still the 'air capitol of the world'
10:30 PM Tom_L: https://atlasspringandaxle.com/
10:30 PM Tom_L: that one does BIG springs :)
10:30 PM rue_mohr: heh
10:31 PM rue_mohr: ok I'm ready to push a program into this
10:47 PM rue_mohr: zippo:/files/programming/c/cmdstack# gcc main.c; ./a.out
10:47 PM rue_mohr: Error :(
10:47 PM rue_mohr: Error :(
10:47 PM rue_mohr: Error :(
10:47 PM rue_mohr: Error :(
10:47 PM rue_mohr: Error :(
10:47 PM rue_mohr: Error :(
10:47 PM rue_mohr: huh
10:52 PM rue_mohr: hahah I forgot the keyword "case"
10:54 PM rue_mohr: ok it doesn't like 2nd digits
10:59 PM rue_mohr: aha ok
11:05 PM rue_mohr: nice, its working
11:05 PM rue_mohr: now I have to throw garbage at it for a while
11:06 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, how you doing for awakeness?
11:06 PM rue_mohr: M00N, ?
11:07 PM rue_mohr: or maybe I just need to load it onto a robot and work with it a bit
11:25 PM rue_mohr: aha 2203
11:25 PM rue_mohr: the ones who weren't really interested might drop off for a while