#garfield Logs
Aug 21 2021
#garfield Calendar
12:09 AM rue_mohr: oh,
01:22 AM rue_mohr: polprog, this has a buffered io port on it
01:22 AM rue_mohr: I should feedback the CS to an input in port 1 and have it sweep the memory space to see if it can find the address range
03:14 AM rue_mohr: it took me like 10 minutes to set up another 8051 BASIC board
03:46 AM rue_mohr: ok I have to be carefull
03:47 AM rue_mohr: twice now I'v shorted something on these boards and apparently the usb on my motherboard has no overcurrent protection
03:47 AM rue_mohr: *crack*
03:47 AM rue_mohr: 8-S
03:50 AM rue_mohr: morning polprog
03:51 AM rue_mohr: what am I going to do with a large pile of BASIC controllers that dont really have any io?
03:58 AM Tom_L: morning
04:00 AM Tom_L: write a bunch of goto loops
04:00 AM rue_mohr: READY
04:00 AM rue_mohr: >LIST
04:00 AM rue_mohr: 10 A=PORT1
04:00 AM rue_mohr: 20 M=128
04:00 AM rue_mohr: 30 IF (A.AND.M)=0 GOTO 100
04:00 AM rue_mohr: 40 PRINT "1",
04:00 AM rue_mohr: 50 GOTO 200
04:00 AM rue_mohr: 100 PRINT "0",
04:00 AM rue_mohr: 200 M=M/2
04:00 AM rue_mohr: 210 IF M<>0.5 GOTO 30
04:00 AM rue_mohr: 220 PRINT
04:00 AM rue_mohr: 230 GOTO 10
04:00 AM rue_mohr: this board has switches on port1
04:00 AM rue_mohr: that prints them in binary
04:01 AM rue_mohr: I like the realtime of it
04:01 AM rue_mohr: you can modify the program right there
04:02 AM rue_mohr: ... just cant save it...
04:02 AM rue_mohr: it has stuff to save some programs in ROM, I'm not going there right now
04:03 AM Tom_L: what's in rom right now?
04:03 AM rue_mohr: just BASIC
04:03 AM rue_mohr: when you boot it and hit space (autobaud) it gives you a basic propmpt
04:04 AM Tom_L: i forgot how you got into buffalo
04:04 AM rue_mohr: oof
04:05 AM rue_mohr: was it a jumper thing?
04:05 AM rue_mohr: its been 23 years
04:05 AM Tom_L: https://s2.smu.edu/~cd/EE5340/68HC11_Tutorial.htm
04:06 AM rue_mohr: oh its just off reset?
04:06 AM Tom_L: https://www.mil.ufl.edu/projects/gup/docs/buffalo.pdf
04:06 AM Tom_L: i guess so
04:06 AM rue_mohr: I still have it all in hard copy on the shelf
04:06 AM Tom_L: i got the 2 pink books still
04:07 AM rue_mohr: oh yea, pink
04:07 AM Tom_L: along with a set for the 68332
04:07 AM rue_mohr: you got into the 6812 tho didn't you
04:07 AM Tom_L: which were 10-11 books
04:07 AM Tom_L: not the 12
04:07 AM rue_mohr: hmm
04:08 AM rue_mohr: this 8051 thing is being amusing
04:08 AM rue_mohr: I like not having to compile and upload a program
04:08 AM Tom_L: i still have the 68hc11 boards
04:08 AM Tom_L: one with external memory
04:08 AM rue_mohr: s?
04:08 AM rue_mohr: how many?
04:08 AM Tom_L: 3-4
04:09 AM rue_mohr: I thought you just had 1 for your bot
04:09 AM rue_mohr: huh
04:09 AM Tom_L: i have 3 or 4 of the 68332 also
04:09 AM rue_mohr: is that 16 bit?
04:09 AM Tom_L: 2 different boards
04:09 AM Tom_L: 16 or 32 internal i forget
04:10 AM rue_mohr: they packed a lot in this 8051 basic
04:10 AM rue_mohr: floating point
04:10 AM rue_mohr: trig
04:10 AM Tom_L: i still have a couple 6811 in kit form
04:10 AM Tom_L: probably several of the chips
04:11 AM Tom_L: https://www.seanet.com/~karllunt/begin00.htm
04:11 AM rue_mohr: >PRINT sin(PI/2)
04:11 AM rue_mohr: 1
04:11 AM rue_mohr: >
04:13 AM Tom_L: http://seattlerobotics.org/guide/index.html
04:13 AM Tom_L: that shows the board
04:13 AM rue_mohr: its not as fast as a IIe tho...
04:14 AM Tom_L: http://seattlerobotics.org/guide/images/bboard1.jpg
04:14 AM rue_mohr: oh
04:14 AM rue_mohr: I thought it'd be a completely commercial demo board
04:16 AM rue_mohr: did you ever use a basic stamp?
04:17 AM Tom_L: stamp ii
04:17 AM Tom_L: a little
04:17 AM Tom_L: i may still have that somewhere too
04:17 AM rue_mohr: I thoguht that was cool
04:18 AM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hASBE4OR-I0
04:18 AM Tom_L: that shows the botboard 2
04:18 AM Tom_L: with external memory
04:18 AM Tom_L: i have 2 of those
04:18 AM Tom_L: one is a bare board
04:20 AM Tom_L: i probably still have that instruction sheet for it somewhere too
04:20 AM Tom_L: made an io expansion board for it
04:21 AM rue_mohr: already got 256k ram eh?
04:21 AM Tom_L: yeah
04:22 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/old_misc_files/old_misc_index.php
04:22 AM rue_mohr: 2am, I'm hungry
04:22 AM Tom_L: expansion board is the one with the colored ribbon near the bottom
04:22 AM Tom_L: 64 io
04:22 AM Tom_L: hah
04:23 AM rue_mohr: hmm, is 8 bits enough to run an lcd in 4 bit mode?
04:23 AM Tom_L: probably
04:23 AM rue_mohr: 4 data, /wr, /cs, A0...
04:24 AM Tom_L: can't you tie wr cs to gnd?
04:24 AM Tom_L: i can't remember now
04:24 AM rue_mohr: it needs a clock tho
11:22 AM polprog: hey rue_mohr
11:25 AM rue_mohr: hey
11:35 AM polprog: what's up?
11:36 AM rue_mohr: so, did you do BASIC yet?
11:36 AM polprog: no, im looking for a rom
11:36 AM rue_mohr: oh foo
11:36 AM polprog: that would run on 80C552
11:36 AM rue_mohr: its 8051 compat isn't it?
11:36 AM rue_mohr: must be
11:36 AM polprog: i found ftp.emacinc.com (which has a LOT of goodies)
11:36 AM rue_mohr: I have a backup of armory.com
11:36 AM rue_mohr: rstview
11:37 AM polprog: no, i think there is some ram issue (i found one basic that says it wont run on anything else than a 80C52)
11:37 AM polprog: ftp.emacinc.com/LegacyProducts/Controllers/MicroPac_535
11:37 AM polprog: anon login
11:37 AM rue_mohr: oh I have the one for generic 8031
11:37 AM rue_mohr: want the hex?
11:37 AM polprog: that path has BASIC52
11:37 AM polprog: yeah
11:37 AM rue_mohr: k, 2 shakes
11:37 AM polprog: so ill try that later, i cant do it now anyway...
11:38 AM polprog: oh that one I linked is for a 80C35 based board
11:39 AM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/software/BASIC31A.HEX
11:39 AM rue_mohr: its been paired down to 1 timer, and all the eprom functions were removed
11:39 AM rue_mohr: so its quite practical
11:40 AM polprog: it should work then
11:40 AM * Tom_L rue_mohr puts a HEX on polprog
11:40 AM Tom_L: good morning.... again
11:40 AM rue_mohr: remember, the auto-baud code looks for a -SPACE- to set its baud rate
11:40 AM rue_mohr: so after powering it up, send it space!
11:41 AM polprog: great
11:41 AM polprog: oh theres some HC12 dev tools in that FTP there too
11:42 AM rue_mohr: 8051 is better :) more of them out there
11:43 AM polprog: The FTp also has loads of BIOS files
11:43 AM Tom_L: i got started on moto because of the SRS group
11:43 AM Tom_L: that or Portland
11:43 AM polprog: ok, dinner time. bbl
11:44 AM Tom_L: never did much with the 80xx stuff
11:44 AM rue_mohr: I think we all thought it was gone-obsolete
11:44 AM rue_mohr: it should have been
11:44 AM rue_mohr: but 8051 snuck thru
11:45 AM Tom_L: what did kbds use?
11:46 AM rue_mohr: 8048
11:46 AM rue_mohr: (mcs-48)
11:53 AM polprog: i have an 80C48 too, UV eraseable version
11:53 AM polprog: no compiler though
11:53 AM rue_mohr: even if you did, 21V cpp
11:54 AM rue_mohr: or 25
11:54 AM polprog: oh, that sucks
11:54 AM rue_mohr: I need to find out how to hack the tl866
11:54 AM rue_mohr: programming it is easy, you could build one
11:55 AM polprog: i think I had someone blow their tl866 when attempting to feed higher programming voltage to the Vpp pin (they bent it up and connected)
11:55 AM polprog: or somehow touched some other pin and it just died
11:55 AM rue_mohr: yep
11:55 AM polprog: a DIP adapter could be the way, with all pins isolated
11:55 AM rue_mohr: It seems to me, that the underlying hardware can do it, but that the new dc-dc cant
11:56 AM rue_mohr: so I'd like to find schematics and compare
11:56 AM rue_mohr: I think the control bits are in there
12:02 PM polprog: holy fuck
12:03 PM polprog: ftp.sunet.se/archive/ftp.sunet.se/pub
12:03 PM polprog: soo much dos software
12:03 PM rue_mohr: that was a big one too
12:03 PM polprog: gotta go install a mains socket in the wall
12:03 PM rue_mohr: not enough power eh?
12:03 PM polprog: sister's room renovation
12:04 PM rue_mohr: ah, do it neatly
12:04 PM polprog: :)
12:04 PM rue_mohr: if its wrong, neatly is almost always easer to correct
12:04 PM rue_mohr: so I think the 8051 is a bit slower than a IIe
12:05 PM rue_mohr: I'm pondering what it would take to port apple basic to the 8051
12:06 PM rue_mohr: tho, 8051 kinda sucks
12:06 PM rue_mohr: but there are tools for it
12:07 PM rue_mohr: if these are going to be usefull at all, I need to work out how to save the basic programs in ROM
12:08 PM rue_mohr: this last board has 512k ram and can have 512k rom
12:08 PM rue_mohr: I have a 256k in it now
12:21 PM rue_mohr: heh
12:21 PM polprog: i totally forgot that the internet has a huge network of FTP sites
12:22 PM polprog: thanks god google is still indexing them
12:22 PM rue_mohr: could extend the basic with ansi escape codes for things like gotoxy clearscreen, etc
12:22 PM polprog: oh yeah
12:22 PM polprog: vt100 formatting codes support
12:23 PM rue_mohr: clearscreen, cursor positioning, text colour
12:23 PM polprog: http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/FTP/index.html
12:23 PM polprog: thy are still up
12:23 PM rue_mohr: oh good, armory is still up
12:23 PM rue_mohr: back in 2001 I was woried and made a backup
12:24 PM rue_mohr: what?
12:24 PM rue_mohr: its just... a... wtf
12:24 PM polprog: what?
12:24 PM polprog: i should also back them up
12:24 PM polprog: how big is it?
12:24 PM rue_mohr: its not real
12:24 PM rue_mohr: how big is the backup?
12:25 PM polprog: yeah
12:25 PM rue_mohr: its just a text snapshot
12:25 PM rue_mohr: wtf?
12:25 PM polprog: no, it doesnt have the links
12:25 PM polprog: but if you type the name in it works
12:25 PM polprog: http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/FTP/8051/8051.lcd
12:25 PM rue_mohr: oh you can manually enter the file names
12:26 PM rue_mohr: ok, must be an anti-bot thing
12:26 PM polprog: but further directory listings are broken
12:26 PM polprog: ex. http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/FTP/8051/iRTOS51/
12:26 PM rue_mohr: yea, I see
12:26 PM polprog: if you can upload that backup somewhere ill keep a copy (and use it)
12:27 PM polprog: wetransfer even works for me
12:28 PM rue_mohr: 54M
12:28 PM rue_mohr: and i'v got random stuff uncompressed in it
12:28 PM polprog: ahh
12:28 PM polprog: thats tiny. good
12:29 PM polprog: ok, gotta run..
01:16 PM rue_mohr: I'm pondering buying a LOT of clipboards
01:16 PM rue_mohr: and clearing a wall
01:16 PM rue_mohr: having a clipboard for each project
01:19 PM rue_mohr: so, I need to cast some parts for the smaller cnc machine I'm working on
01:19 PM rue_mohr: not the plama cnc
01:19 PM rue_mohr: not hte 4x8 cnc
01:19 PM rue_mohr: :/
01:19 PM rue_mohr: but I need to design the parts
01:24 PM Tom_L: so you gonn paper your walls with clipboards now?
01:24 PM Tom_L: you would need more wall space
01:24 PM Tom_L: what parts?
01:24 PM rue_mohr: I have some walls left in the house...
01:25 PM rue_mohr: well I need some supports for the cold rolled flatbar I got for ways
01:25 PM rue_mohr: and I need to design that juction block between XY
01:25 PM Tom_L: not a gantry?
01:26 PM rue_mohr: no, not this one
01:26 PM Tom_L: not using slides?
01:26 PM rue_mohr: vert mill design
01:26 PM rue_mohr: supposed to be like the sherline
01:26 PM Tom_L: if you were, i could give you mine
01:26 PM rue_mohr: which is being borrowed
01:26 PM Tom_L: but those are 20mm
01:26 PM rue_mohr: give me which?
01:26 PM Tom_L: my plate layout
01:26 PM rue_mohr: ah
01:26 PM Tom_L: but it's for 20mm
01:27 PM Tom_L: hywin
01:27 PM rue_mohr: I have a notion, so, I really just need focus
01:27 PM Tom_L: i'd gotten all the cad drawings for them so i knew it would fit
01:28 PM Tom_L: pulled my shoulder this week now it's sore as hell
01:28 PM rue_mohr: :/
01:28 PM rue_mohr: lifting or ?
01:28 PM Tom_L: dunno
01:29 PM Tom_L: no not lifting
01:31 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Y_Axis_Plate3.jpg
01:31 PM Tom_L: some are counterbored on the back side
01:31 PM rue_mohr: the whole machine was more than $1k wasn't it? (structire)
01:31 PM Tom_L: it gets kinda busy there
01:32 PM Tom_L: mine?
01:32 PM rue_mohr: yea
01:32 PM Tom_L: with the rails etc probably around 1k maybe
01:32 PM Tom_L: all the material was scraps
01:33 PM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/itm/114023794768?hash=item1a8c590850:g:vm8AAOSwCXxcNbtr
01:33 PM Tom_L: that's everything you need
01:34 PM rue_mohr: wtf who uninstalled kermit
01:34 PM Tom_L: remember the travel is about half the screw length
01:34 PM rue_mohr: where is the kermit package damnit
01:34 PM rue_mohr: you dont neeed #$%@$%^@#$^ 64 bit for kermit
01:34 PM rue_mohr: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
01:34 PM Tom_L: haven't used that in quite a while
01:35 PM rue_mohr: damnit
01:35 PM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/itm/253223632606?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
01:36 PM Tom_L: biggest nema23 steppers on the planet!
01:36 PM Tom_L: i looked
01:36 PM Tom_L: all the prices have gone up though
01:37 PM Tom_L: if you're building one, i'd go bigger than sherline specs for sure
01:37 PM rue_mohr: crap it wants to upgrade everything for @#%$#$%@#$% kermit
01:37 PM Tom_L: ftp?
01:37 PM rue_mohr: no colour serial terminal
01:38 PM rue_mohr: I dont know how the hell it got removed
01:38 PM Tom_L: i'm innocent
01:39 PM rue_mohr: wait, maybe
01:39 PM rue_mohr: no
01:50 PM rue_mohr: 188 upgraded, 88 newly installed, 54 to remove and 1750 not upgraded
01:50 PM rue_mohr: ^^ innstalling kermit might take me a while
01:51 PM rue_mohr: ugh, libc6 is int here
01:51 PM rue_mohr: thats dangerous
01:52 PM rue_mohr: a mismatch with that and you cant read your filesystem anymore
02:05 PM rue_mohr: 156 upgraded, 80 newly installed, 54 to remove and 1749 not upgraded.
02:06 PM Tom_L: sounds safe to me :)
02:06 PM rue_mohr: slowly widdling it down
02:07 PM rue_mohr: its annoying when there is a huge dependency chain created by stuff I dont use
02:24 PM rue_mohr: 146 upgraded, 79 newly installed, 52 to remove and 1744 not upgraded.
02:28 PM rue_mohr: 136 upgraded, 77 newly installed, 52 to remove and 1744 not upgraded.
02:33 PM polprog: i was trying to organize projects with trays
02:33 PM polprog: i ran out of trays
02:33 PM rue_mohr: yes, more trays
02:33 PM rue_mohr: boxes
02:33 PM rue_mohr: clear ones are better
02:33 PM rue_mohr: 133 upgraded, 77 newly installed, 52 to remove and 1744 not upgraded.
02:36 PM rue_mohr: 128 upgraded, 77 newly installed, 52 to remove and 1744 not upgraded.
02:43 PM rue_mohr: 8-| the new version of localepurge just cleared 107M of garbage data off the system
02:45 PM rue_mohr: 119 upgraded, 64 newly installed, 51 to remove and 1742 not upgraded.
02:49 PM Tom_L: what OS?
02:49 PM rue_mohr: debian
02:50 PM Tom_L: 10?
02:50 PM rue_mohr: I'm sure it'll break if I just say yes
02:50 PM rue_mohr: no, its so broken, its no *single* vesion
02:50 PM rue_mohr: I installed it in 2001
02:50 PM Tom_L: debian RUE
02:52 PM rue_mohr: I take times like this to pick out packages that didn't need to be on here in the first place
02:53 PM Tom_L: if only i were that linux savvy
02:53 PM rue_mohr: its just brute force
02:56 PM rue_mohr: 112 upgraded, 63 newly installed, 51 to remove and 1739 not upgraded.
02:57 PM rue_mohr: there are circular library dependencies, I'm sure of it
02:59 PM rue_mohr: one of the really important things is to keep apt up to date
03:00 PM rue_mohr: I have a few main groups left
03:01 PM rue_mohr: gcc, python, libc and alsa
03:03 PM Tom_L: you'll be all set by the end of the weekend!
03:04 PM rue_mohr: :/
03:04 PM Tom_L: or installing a new os
03:04 PM rue_mohr: I want to go do casting
03:04 PM rue_mohr: no
03:04 PM rue_mohr: its been 20 years, why reinstall now?
03:04 PM Tom_L: what are we casting this time?
03:04 PM rue_mohr: parts for the cnc
03:04 PM rue_mohr: but I dont have them designed
03:05 PM Tom_L: want some help?
03:05 PM Tom_L: maybe nothing i can do
03:05 PM rue_mohr: heh, I dont know what do make yet
03:05 PM aandrew: yeah I need to install a new copy of my main server. it's... 7.11 which I think is wheezy
03:05 PM Tom_L: start with a thick plate
03:05 PM rue_mohr: I have cold rolled flatbar I'm going to use as rectangular ways
03:06 PM Tom_L: 4 bars, 2 top and bottom each side?
03:06 PM rue_mohr: no,
03:07 PM Tom_L: what then?
03:07 PM rue_mohr: assiming the flat bar is parallel
03:07 PM rue_mohr: I need a stand for it, for the cariiage to grab
03:07 PM Tom_L: what diameter?
03:07 PM Tom_L: do a quick scribble...
03:07 PM rue_mohr: the bar is...
03:08 PM Tom_L: gonna print them?
03:08 PM Tom_L: then pour them?
03:09 PM rue_shop3: 1/4" by 4" flatbar, cold rolled
03:09 PM rue_shop3: probably grabbing about a half inch is sufficient
03:10 PM Tom_L: bearings on each side and top?
03:10 PM rue_shop3: no
03:10 PM rue_shop3: friction
03:11 PM Tom_L: adjustable teflon slider
03:11 PM Tom_L: like a gib
03:11 PM rue_shop3: rectangular gibs
03:11 PM rue_shop3: I cant find an image on google
03:12 PM rue_shop3: instead of dovetail
03:13 PM rue_shop3: ah "box ways"
03:14 PM rue_shop3: https://1ugn2l2m3z2y31d4y73c1m5w-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Rexroth-Boxway-Slide.jpg
03:14 PM Tom_L: https://1ugn2l2m3z2y31d4y73c1m5w-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Rexroth-Boxway-Slide.jpg
03:14 PM Tom_L: hahaha
03:14 PM rue_shop3: but the top being once piece right across
03:14 PM rue_shop3: hahah
03:15 PM Tom_L: top flat against the channel with no 'bearing' surface?
03:16 PM rue_mohr: top flat, with the carriage shaped to acount
03:17 PM Tom_L: https://sites.google.com/site/smabhyan/Fig2-1-custom-size-1000-830-crop-0-0-0.53-0.43.JPG
03:17 PM rue_mohr: no, monorail
03:18 PM rue_mohr: 1/4" x 4"
03:18 PM rue_mohr: by ~18"? long
03:18 PM rue_mohr: 112 upgraded, 63 newly installed, 50 to remove and 1724 not upgraded
03:18 PM Tom_L: gonna go rest. shoulder doesn't like the desk position
03:19 PM rue_mohr: yep
03:29 PM rue_mohr: 92 upgraded, 49 newly installed, 36 to remove and 1667 not upgraded.
03:36 PM rue_mohr: 92 upgraded, 49 newly installed, 34 to remove and 1659 not upgraded.
03:49 PM rue_mohr: allowing libboost on my system was an oops
03:49 PM rue_mohr: 89 upgraded, 53 newly installed, 34 to remove and 1641 not upgraded.
04:02 PM rue_mohr: 85 upgraded, 53 newly installed, 34 to remove and 1638 not upgraded.
04:08 PM rue_mohr: 70 upgraded, 45 newly installed, 33 to remove and 1621 not upgraded.
05:09 PM polprog: dependency hell?
05:10 PM rue_shop3: its widdling down
05:10 PM rue_shop3: but I'm going to do a backup before I upgrade libc6
05:10 PM polprog: rip
05:11 PM rue_shop3: waiting for a few G to migrate
05:11 PM polprog: did you put that armory backup somewhere?
05:13 PM rue_shop3: yea where can I do that
05:13 PM rue_shop3: google drive?
05:14 PM polprog: it's pretty small so i guess yeah
05:14 PM rue_shop3: remind me in about 4 hours!
05:14 PM rue_shop3: I'm trying to do a template for a cnc
05:14 PM rue_shop3: casting
05:45 PM rue_shop3: maybe I will try bootstrapping this small cnc
07:38 PM rue_mohr: hmm 145 days uptime
07:40 PM Tom_L: get it all upgraded??
07:40 PM rue_mohr: I should probably upgrade the shop server drive array
07:40 PM rue_mohr: no
07:40 PM rue_mohr: still backing up
07:41 PM rue_mohr: the next part of the upgrade requries a bunch of things at once
07:41 PM rue_mohr: I made a box for doing the cnc casting
07:41 PM rue_mohr: and a template
07:42 PM rue_mohr: I think I can try it tommorow
07:48 PM Tom_L: parts designed?
07:48 PM rue_mohr: some
07:49 PM rue_mohr: well, the stand for the flatbar
07:49 PM rue_mohr: falling asleep
07:49 PM rue_mohr: drat
07:49 PM rue_mohr: I need to go shopping, almost completely out of everything
07:49 PM Tom_L: i need a project again
07:49 PM Tom_L: not very motivated
07:49 PM rue_mohr: not that I know what everything is, but it seems to cost about $300 to go buy
07:50 PM Tom_L: you feedin an army?
07:50 PM rue_mohr: I only go shopping about once a month
07:50 PM Tom_L: ahh, that's about my weekly budget
07:51 PM rue_mohr: you feedin an army?
07:51 PM Tom_L: i feel like it
07:51 PM Tom_L: with 2 boys
07:51 PM rue_mohr: I got SO MANY voices in my head that all want to do different things
07:52 PM rue_mohr: ok, here goes :S
07:53 PM rue_mohr: dont like big upgrades
07:57 PM rue_mohr: yea its fought thru about 7 dependency loops so far...
07:57 PM rue_mohr: yike
07:57 PM rue_mohr: wtf
07:58 PM Tom_L: starting off well i see
07:58 PM rue_mohr: home automation machine just turned on the furnace blower for a min.
07:59 PM Tom_L: it's gonna take over your world
08:01 PM rue_mohr: ok...
08:01 PM rue_mohr: then re-install gimp...
08:03 PM rue_mohr: remove unused packages...
08:03 PM Tom_L: wish i knew wtf i did to this shoulder. every time i move....
08:03 PM rue_mohr: hmm
08:05 PM rue_mohr: and gimp doesn't work
08:06 PM Tom_L: hope the frog is worth it
08:07 PM rue_mohr: crap, gimp doesn't work
08:07 PM rue_mohr: I need gimp for screen snapshots
08:23 PM rue_mohr: got it!
08:23 PM rue_mohr: ok
08:25 PM rue_mohr: its 6pm
08:25 PM rue_mohr: grocery store is open till 9
08:25 PM rue_mohr: hour of driving
08:31 PM rue_mohr: yay, I made the 8051 BASIC thing print Hello in blue
08:31 PM rue_mohr: that was painfull
08:32 PM Tom_L: alot of work for that
08:33 PM rue_mohr: I know
08:33 PM rue_mohr: but it would come up later anyhow
08:38 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/tempimage/Untitled.png
08:38 PM rue_mohr: isn't it pretty?
08:40 PM rue_mohr: ok I really need to eat something
08:40 PM rue_mohr: damnit
08:40 PM Tom_L: heh
08:42 PM rue_mohr: ah breakfst was still in the toaster
08:42 PM Tom_L: no wonder you're hungry
08:42 PM Tom_L: you do have to eat it once it's prepared
08:43 PM rue_mohr: SO COMPLICATED, ALL THESE *THINGS*
08:43 PM rue_mohr: :)