#garfield Logs
Jul 05 2020
#garfield Calendar
12:12 AM Tom_L: good idea
11:04 AM rue_mohr: .... wtf happened?
11:04 AM rue_mohr: that was no nap
11:07 AM Tom_L: you should feel refreshed
11:42 AM rue_mohr: hmm
11:43 AM rue_mohr: maybe I'll try again in 24
04:48 PM Tom_L: you're sleeping yer life away!
04:51 PM polprog: rue just needs a secondary shift to do stuff in the shop while he is sleeping
04:53 PM Tom_L: i did a project with a guy in Au that way once
04:58 PM polprog: what was it?
05:04 PM Tom_L: a datalogger
05:05 PM Tom_L: for a windmill he was making
05:05 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/logger/mega8_logger2.jpg
05:07 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/logger/Logger1.jpg
05:11 PM polprog: thats a nice board
05:11 PM polprog: old style
05:12 PM polprog: avr and max232, i like it
06:19 PM rue_shop1: before the usb converters were available
06:20 PM Tom_L: i did those too
06:20 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/misc_stuff/rs232_2.jpg
06:21 PM Tom_L: err no usb
06:46 PM rue_mohr: ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/shed/slide.htm
06:46 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/shed/p1160526.jpg
06:46 PM rue_mohr: is a nice summary image
06:47 PM Tom_L: 1 mistake
06:47 PM rue_mohr: :) a number of them
06:48 PM Tom_L: as a 'storage' shed what did you do wrong?
06:48 PM rue_mohr: its not 50000 square feet?
06:48 PM Tom_L: the door should open out
06:48 PM rue_mohr: hah
06:48 PM rue_mohr: yea, that was a thought
06:48 PM rue_mohr: the counterthought is that THERE SHOULD BE ENOUGH ROOM TO OPEN THE DOOR :)
06:49 PM Tom_L: baaah rubbish!
06:49 PM rue_mohr: I did the fireshed with an outward opening door, and you have to stand outside of it
06:51 PM Tom_L: seemed to have gone up quick
06:55 PM Tom_L: i did one like that once but did a 'barn' type roof and put floors on each side of the door entry for extra above head storage
07:09 PM rue_shop1: yep, there were thoughts of making it silly tall
07:17 PM Tom_L: i have no pics of that one but it was before the garage
07:17 PM Tom_L: got moved when i built the garage
07:59 PM rue_mohr: ok, so +- that came to about $1850
08:04 PM rue_mohr: I'm out of milk
08:04 PM rue_mohr: and.... everything
08:04 PM rue_mohr: *sigh*
08:07 PM Tom_L: heh
08:08 PM Tom_L: so you don't have much hope for your downloader?
08:11 PM rue_mohr: not sure how to deal with it yet
08:12 PM rue_mohr: general RX/TX accounting, but
08:12 PM Tom_L: shame they didn't put some kind of handshaking in grbl
08:12 PM rue_mohr: there are two parties transmitting
08:12 PM Tom_L: so a button would work then
08:13 PM Tom_L: maybe that _would_ be a quicker solution
08:13 PM rue_mohr: its got an issue around this anyhow
08:14 PM rue_mohr: its just not causing a problem with anything else
08:49 PM aandrew: nice shed :-)
08:51 PM rue_mohr: thanks, took too long to build!
08:51 PM aandrew: looks like the perfect size for a 3d printer farm
08:51 PM rue_mohr: hah
08:52 PM rue_mohr: need somewhere to put everyones things
08:52 PM rue_mohr: thats not in my shop
08:53 PM aandrew: you gonna put shelves down each side with a central "hallway" and then grid coordinates? "Joe? yeah your stuff's in Shed A, rack 3C
08:53 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, I have a "cnc machine" object that it might all fit nicely into
08:53 PM rue_mohr: aandrew, kinda :) they get to build the shelves
08:54 PM rue_mohr: I need to work on DC servos for the cnc macihnes
09:02 PM rue_mohr: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33009817491.html
09:02 PM rue_mohr: hmmm
09:03 PM rue_mohr: add the shipping, $45 for a 400w
09:03 PM rue_mohr: but it looks small
09:03 PM rue_mohr: 5cm....
09:03 PM aandrew: rue_mohr: how have your ali shipments been lately? I got like 11 all within 3 days
09:03 PM rue_mohr: thats not that small
09:04 PM aandrew: it's like canada post finally decided to get back to work or something
09:04 PM rue_mohr: aandrew, I havn't ordered anything recently
09:04 PM rue_mohr: hah
09:04 PM aandrew: me either; these are all from February
09:04 PM rue_mohr: I'm having stuff come thru from feb, yea
09:04 PM aandrew: looks like your shit was on the same boat as mine :-)
09:04 PM rue_mohr: I bet they just piled it
09:05 PM rue_mohr: they dont like delivering stuff from china
09:05 PM aandrew: https://reddit.com/r/functionalprint/comments/hlk7e9/hate_when_you_need_springs_for_3d_printed_designs/
09:06 PM aandrew: that's kind of cool
09:06 PM aandrew: also I'm really liking this automatic shared clipboard between my laptop, phone and tablet
09:06 PM rue_mohr: looking for 5.08mm pitch timing belt in bulk from them now
09:08 PM rue_mohr: ali is getting bad for just throwing in wrong results
09:08 PM rue_mohr: its getting as bad as google
09:08 PM aandrew: yeah
09:08 PM aandrew: aliseeks.com my friend, works way better
09:09 PM aandrew: although I've found some interesting "didn't know I would want that" kind of stuff from the wrong results
09:09 PM aandrew: I have a bunch of T8 timing belt and pulleys from amazon, I think 10m + 5 pulleys/bearings for $20 type of thing
09:10 PM aandrew: 5.08 though, that's 0.2" timing belt
09:10 PM rue_mohr: I need the big stuff
09:10 PM rue_mohr: maybe for the cnc
09:11 PM rue_mohr: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32657788830.html
09:11 PM rue_mohr: ok, now wider
09:11 PM rue_mohr: like 2.5cm wide
09:12 PM aandrew: that's only 10mm wide
09:12 PM aandrew: oh you're saying LIKE that but wider
09:12 PM rue_mohr: yar
09:12 PM aandrew: heh
09:12 PM aandrew: ever watch Hot Fuzz?
09:13 PM rue_mohr: nope
09:13 PM aandrew: good movie, don't really care for the idiotic cartoonish murder scenes but the rest of the movie is *solid* belly laughs
09:13 PM aandrew: if you ever do watch it you'll understand why I picked up on it when you said "Yar"
09:15 PM rue_mohr: I wonder if, cost wise, I'd be better off with 3x 10mm drive
09:16 PM aandrew: any reason why 0.2" specifically?
09:16 PM rue_mohr: "the big stuff"
09:16 PM rue_mohr: that doesn't seem that big tho
09:16 PM aandrew: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32839683827.html
09:17 PM aandrew: up to 80mm wide there
09:17 PM aandrew: 85
09:17 PM aandrew: it's all 8mm pitch though
09:17 PM Tom_L: rue_mohr, that motor's kinda small?
09:17 PM aandrew: that's bigger than what your'e after (0.315")
09:18 PM rue_mohr: thats ok
09:18 PM aandrew: that was first hit on "wide timing belt"
09:19 PM rue_mohr: huh $60
09:19 PM aandrew: lots more at 30mm wide
09:20 PM aandrew: 1m 30mm wide is $14, 10m is $80
09:20 PM rue_mohr: 3m will do
09:20 PM rue_mohr: all I get is clothing
09:20 PM rue_mohr: arg
09:21 PM aandrew: sounds like someone has been poisoning your ali search :-)
09:21 PM aandrew: wonder how much spring steel is, lots of people say piano wire
09:21 PM rue_mohr: "music wire"
09:22 PM aandrew: got my flow meters for my o2 concentrator project
09:22 PM aandrew: should probably start building that
09:22 PM aandrew: got some welding O2 bottles too (just 1lb ones) for testing my o2 meter
09:22 PM aandrew: haven't loooked for N2 yet
09:23 PM rue_mohr: hmm $42
09:23 PM rue_mohr: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32225703680.html
09:24 PM rue_mohr: 3mm pitch
09:24 PM Tom_L: small
09:24 PM rue_mohr: yea
09:24 PM Tom_L: you want xl
09:24 PM Tom_L: i think
09:24 PM aandrew: xl?
09:24 PM rue_mohr: or a different class
09:25 PM Tom_L: XL is a series of timing belt/pulley
09:25 PM aandrew: oh the pitch
09:25 PM aandrew: that's a decent store, has all the timing belts
09:25 PM aandrew: Tom_L: what's teh advantage of such a large pitch?
09:26 PM Tom_L: you can put more power to it, it's heavier
09:26 PM rue_mohr: fine teeth seems to pull off easier
09:27 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Z_Motor_Mount1.jpg
09:27 PM aandrew: 400W motor that small? wow, that's a tiny 1/2hp
09:27 PM Tom_L: pretty sure i used XL
09:27 PM rue_mohr: there is also L and H
09:28 PM aandrew: I need to find a 2-3hp DC motor for my bridgeport
09:28 PM rue_mohr: you stole toms line?
09:29 PM aandrew: I did what now?
09:29 PM rue_mohr: tom is supposed to be the one saying that
09:30 PM aandrew: not that I'm aware of? I have a 3HP 550V 3ph AC motor and I can't use the mill until I get a better motor
09:30 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Belt_Guard/New_Belt_installed.jpg
09:30 PM Tom_L: finally
09:30 PM aandrew: of course the damn face of the motor is not standard so I ahve to get an adapter plate made too
09:30 PM Tom_L: make one
09:30 PM aandrew: yeah I have teh drawing for it
09:31 PM aandrew: just need a C face motor
09:31 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, that one XL?
09:31 PM Tom_L: i think so
09:31 PM Tom_L: lemme look that up on sdp
09:31 PM aandrew: this thing is 100% manual though, I have to put some work into it to make it CNC but first need to learn the basics so I understand things better
09:31 PM aandrew: the last thing I want to do is put a computer behind all that power without any experience
09:33 PM aandrew: hahaha
09:33 PM aandrew: "During COVID-19 we are asking rioters to work from home and destroy their own shit"
09:33 PM rue_mohr: :)
09:39 PM rue_mohr: not sure how much I want to spend on this cnc
09:40 PM rue_mohr: it looks like 3m of belt would run me about $45 average
09:40 PM rue_mohr: there is also "spin the nut"
09:40 PM rue_mohr: which I threw out eariler
09:41 PM rue_mohr: but two 8' lenths of threaded rod wouldn't cost me much
09:41 PM rue_mohr: and it would deal with the reduction for the 30k motors
09:41 PM rue_mohr: nut might get hot
09:41 PM Tom_L: but they wouldn't be straight or consistent
09:41 PM rue_mohr: it would probably be ok enough for this machine
09:42 PM rue_mohr: the gearboxes for the plasma cnc are taking a lot of work
09:42 PM rue_mohr: and its got me thinking
09:43 PM rue_mohr: 5/8" rod, 18tpi?
09:43 PM Tom_L: on that big cnc it would take a week to go from one end to the other
09:44 PM Tom_L: or turn the nut cherry red
09:44 PM rue_mohr: lets say 18tpi
09:44 PM rue_mohr: 18 turns/inch
09:45 PM rue_mohr: 708.66 turns/ meter
09:46 PM rue_mohr: say, 333 rev/sec
09:46 PM rue_mohr: about 0.5m/s
09:47 PM rue_mohr: a bit slow for jogging
09:47 PM Tom_L: that's alot of turns per sec
09:47 PM rue_mohr: arg, yea thats kinda slow
09:47 PM rue_mohr: 20k rpm
09:47 PM Tom_L: your average motor is around 1750 rpm isn't it?
09:47 PM rue_mohr: the motors will do 30k, but I'm not sure under any load
09:48 PM Tom_L: at 30k you need perfect balance on all moving parts
09:48 PM Tom_L: or it's a grenade
09:48 PM rue_mohr: gmm, yea the nut assembly would have to be really good
09:49 PM rue_mohr: and the belt would be in danger of overheating
09:49 PM Tom_L: it wouldn't take it
09:49 PM rue_mohr: ok, so that helps me re-write-off thread drive
09:49 PM Tom_L: unless you went with something like a double lead acme drive
09:49 PM Tom_L: 2x the normal pitch
09:50 PM rue_mohr: cant
09:50 PM rue_mohr: $$
09:50 PM rue_mohr: out of range
09:50 PM rue_mohr: I'm trying to avoid bike chain
09:51 PM rue_mohr: but its going back there pretty quick
09:52 PM rue_mohr: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000283902207.html
09:52 PM rue_mohr: maybe I get it going on bike chain and see if it needs to be upgraded later
09:53 PM rue_mohr: getting it working would be good progress
09:53 PM Tom_L: at those rpm chain won't do either
09:53 PM rue_mohr: no, gearbox
09:54 PM Tom_L: anything on the input side will be under strain
09:54 PM Tom_L: or it will fly apart
09:54 PM rue_mohr: ?
09:55 PM rue_mohr: no, I can use other motors, or use these ones at something lower
09:55 PM Tom_L: 30k gear reduction input gears
09:55 PM Tom_L: not if they're designed to run at 30k. no load below that
09:55 PM rue_mohr: I was saying 20k as a bit of a crazy high limit
09:55 PM rue_mohr: they got lots of torque for the reduction they would have
09:56 PM rue_mohr: they are pretty good even at 1700
09:56 PM rue_mohr: remember the pullies kat helped me find?
09:57 PM rue_mohr: the synchro ones?
09:57 PM Tom_L: no
09:57 PM rue_mohr: I think its about 3:1 - 4:1
09:57 PM rue_mohr: with one of those motors its MEAN
09:58 PM rue_mohr: she found a set for me with belt
09:58 PM Tom_L: huh
09:58 PM rue_mohr: I have an assembly for the hand tractor
09:58 PM rue_mohr: to replace the 1/2hp induction motor
09:59 PM rue_mohr: output is 1700 or so
09:59 PM rue_mohr: so I guess running 5000+ on the motor
09:59 PM Tom_L: that's not unreasonable
09:59 PM rue_mohr: need to finish that some time
09:59 PM rue_mohr: I had problems with all the power supplies
10:00 PM rue_mohr: hah wait, at what point today did I become a vegitable
10:00 PM Tom_L: if i ever do get a spindle motor i want it powered from mains
10:00 PM rue_mohr: ?
10:00 PM rue_mohr: cfd?
10:00 PM rue_mohr: vfd?
10:00 PM rue_mohr: little 3 phase motor?
10:00 PM rue_mohr: 4-20mA?
10:00 PM Tom_L: most of those are really high rpm
10:01 PM Tom_L: i want low end torque with a top rpm around 6k or so
10:01 PM rue_mohr: a vfd can push a 5400 over a bit
10:01 PM Tom_L: some vfds are supported by linuxcnc
10:02 PM rue_mohr: 4-20mA control
10:02 PM rue_mohr: 0-10V
10:02 PM rue_mohr: not uncommon
10:02 PM Tom_L: +10 -10 more common on those
10:02 PM rue_mohr: not that I'v seen
10:02 PM Tom_L: i currently have 0-10v control on mine
10:03 PM Tom_L: that or modbus
10:04 PM Tom_L: i'd been looking at a servo motor for a spindle
10:05 PM Tom_L: problem is, i don't want another power supply
10:05 PM Tom_L: rather use direct mains
10:06 PM Tom_L: i doubt it will ever happen though
10:06 PM Tom_L: i had mine set up for reverse too but took that part out
10:07 PM Tom_L: spindle motor was too weak to do anything useful with it
10:08 PM Tom_L: how to access usb serial port in linux to connect to an outside device?
10:08 PM rue_mohr: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33040243103.html
10:08 PM rue_mohr: just needs a proper manual, but there are two analog inputs there
10:08 PM rue_mohr: and a 210 version :)
10:08 PM rue_mohr: 120
10:08 PM Tom_L: yeah
10:09 PM Tom_L: if i did a vfd i'd try to get a brand supported by linuxcnc
10:09 PM Tom_L: i don't wanna write a driver for it
10:09 PM rue_mohr: 0-10V input is 0-10V input
10:09 PM Tom_L: what sort of feedback though?
10:09 PM Tom_L: encoder to the vfd or encoder to linuxcnc?
10:10 PM rue_mohr: linuxcnc
10:10 PM Tom_L: i don't know a thing about vfds
10:10 PM rue_mohr: vfd do feedback thru the EMF
10:10 PM Tom_L: i know they have alot of setup options
10:10 PM rue_mohr: but... their alll.... 220V...
10:11 PM Tom_L: i _could_ do 220 if i had to
10:11 PM rue_mohr: its annoying
10:11 PM Tom_L: more power
10:14 PM rue_mohr: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1760788376.html
10:14 PM rue_mohr: there,
10:14 PM rue_mohr: AI is the 4-20, VI is the 0-10
10:15 PM rue_mohr: you set the high and low speeds for the input signals thru the programming
10:16 PM Tom_L: does it need a 10v reference?
10:16 PM rue_mohr: no
10:16 PM Tom_L: i have one on the one i'm using now
10:16 PM rue_mohr: what I dont see tho
10:16 PM rue_mohr: is what voltage motors you can use it with
10:17 PM rue_mohr: it looks like it would ahve to be a 110V 3 phase
10:17 PM rue_mohr: (100-130)
10:17 PM Tom_L: those are cheap
10:17 PM Tom_L: but bulky
10:18 PM rue_mohr: I'v never seen a 120V 3 phase
10:18 PM rue_mohr: only 220V and up
10:18 PM Tom_L: yeah that's true
10:18 PM rue_mohr: might be why its got a higher price tag than the 220V ones
10:18 PM rue_mohr: drat, I have 1 hour left to live
10:19 PM Tom_L: you can run a single phase off it though right?
10:20 PM Tom_L: ok, enough thoughts for tonight
10:20 PM rue_mohr: how did the cat come out of nowhere and find the newly-filled laundry hamper in like 30 mins!?!?!
10:20 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, no, you have to use 3 phase with them
10:22 PM AndroUser: 220v welder wired up
10:23 PM AndroUser is now known as zhanx
10:23 PM Tom_L: nice
10:23 PM zhanx: I made a 200 ft extension cord for it also
10:24 PM Tom_L: mine is only ~20ft
10:24 PM zhanx: I had to buy the wire and 250 was 20 dollars more than 50ft so I grabbed it
10:25 PM aandrew: completely unrelated to anything, but "How to be a Latin Lover" is hilarious
10:25 PM aandrew: if any of you are interested you can get a free plex account at plex.tv and I'll share my library with you
10:26 PM zhanx: Late I will cooking dinner now
10:26 PM zhanx: Later
10:26 PM Tom_L: later
10:26 PM rue_mohr: z!
10:27 PM zhanx: Sup rue
10:27 PM rue_mohr: shed!
10:27 PM zhanx: Finish it?
10:27 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/shed/slide.htm
10:27 PM rue_mohr: yea, back to working on other things
10:27 PM rue_mohr: like cnc machines
10:28 PM rue_mohr: and maybe true-sine power inverters for shed lights....
10:28 PM zhanx: Looks good
10:28 PM rue_mohr: thanks
10:31 PM rue_mohr: huh, looks like I'v never used pwm on an atmega8 / 88
10:33 PM rue_mohr: hey wait, did the slideshow break?
10:33 PM zhanx: I am smoking a roast with bacon
10:33 PM zhanx: Not for me
10:34 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/avr/pwm_test/
10:34 PM Tom_L: 168
10:34 PM rue_mohr: might be time for some netperf
10:34 PM rue_mohr: oh right, 328 is the same series!
10:36 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, thanks,
10:37 PM * Tom_L nods
10:44 PM Tom_L: gawd, i don't even recognize that code anymore
10:44 PM rue_mohr: ok, so the clock for the pwm needs to run way faster than the processor
10:45 PM rue_mohr: I have an idea
10:45 PM rue_mohr: but I'm not sure if it obeys the laws of physics yet
10:46 PM Tom_L: coming from you, i'm sure it's right on the edge of it
10:53 PM rue_mohr: plastic pencil sharpeners from china are absolutely amazing
10:54 PM rue_mohr: they only work for the first 1 turn of the pencil, and then, seemingly having no damage, they cease to perform any kind of cutting action to a pencil nomatter what you do
11:00 PM Tom_L: one turn use
11:00 PM aandrew: yep
11:00 PM Tom_L: end clogged up with wood/graphite?
11:01 PM aandrew: I have bought a good metal twin auger pencil sharpener screwed into the wall of every house I've ever owned
11:01 PM rue_mohr: nope, not clogged
11:01 PM aandrew: usually on the stairwell leading to the basement as a nod to my grandfather because that's where his was
11:01 PM Tom_L: mine is in the utility room
11:03 PM Tom_L: also have mechanical pencil sharpener
11:03 PM Tom_L: don't use it much anymore
11:05 PM Tom_L: https://www.123rf.com/photo_95632906_used-mechanical-pencil-sharpener-in-blue-color-isolated-on-white-background.html
11:08 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, how are you doing for housing?
11:09 PM zhanx: Good
11:09 PM rue_mohr: once your settled you can start to play again
11:09 PM zhanx: Yep
11:09 PM zhanx: 6.2 arces of fun
11:09 PM rue_mohr: it took me 3 years to recover from my last move
11:10 PM rue_mohr: gonna hire a garden helper?
11:10 PM zhanx: Not everything was fixed right in the house but whatever
11:10 PM rue_mohr: start a comm company so you dont have to work?
11:10 PM zhanx: No
11:10 PM zhanx: Not sure yet
11:10 PM rue_mohr: heh, did they give you consumer grade repairs?
11:11 PM rue_mohr: thinking you wouldn't notice?
11:11 PM zhanx: First is the fence repairs and yes
11:11 PM zhanx: They said it was contracted like I said before
11:12 PM zhanx: But they rushed it to finish early
11:16 PM zhanx: On this Walmart eci
11:16 PM zhanx: Special 8" tablet it was 30 dollars
11:17 PM rue_mohr: k
11:17 PM zhanx: I am gonna use it for house controller
11:17 PM rue_mohr: free for all intents and purposes
11:17 PM zhanx: Yes
11:17 PM rue_mohr: can it stay awake.
11:17 PM zhanx: Yes
11:18 PM rue_mohr: or does it go into an evil sleep mode after 5 minutes of no-use
11:18 PM rue_mohr: the kinda sleep that takes it 10 mins to wake up from
11:18 PM zhanx: No it has stay awake option
11:18 PM rue_mohr: cool
11:18 PM zhanx: It's the only reason. I got it
11:19 PM rue_mohr: k
11:19 PM zhanx: Keyboard on screen is tiny for me
11:19 PM rue_mohr: hmi for normal use
11:19 PM rue_mohr: big clickme buttons
11:20 PM zhanx: But I am gonna hookup a 328 to it also
11:20 PM rue_mohr: ? for?
11:20 PM zhanx: Light control
11:20 PM zhanx: Gonna also monitor water points for leaks
11:20 PM rue_mohr: but wifi and http and stuff
11:20 PM rue_mohr: k, worried about the roof?
11:21 PM zhanx: I have a smb for that
11:21 PM zhanx: No the roof is new that was the main waiting thing
11:21 PM rue_mohr: damn, only a half hour left to live
11:21 PM zhanx: It's new place for me. I am happy
11:22 PM rue_mohr: and its yours
11:22 PM rue_mohr: (right?)
11:22 PM zhanx: The out buildings are suspect
11:22 PM zhanx: Yes
11:22 PM rue_mohr: how many other buildings?
11:23 PM zhanx: 1 fully enclosed, 3 with roof and side walls, 2 car/ equipment ports
11:23 PM rue_mohr: ok
11:23 PM rue_mohr: some room for casting in the winter
11:24 PM zhanx: Yes, but they are all super old
11:24 PM zhanx: Need to rewire it all
11:24 PM rue_mohr: usually not rotten much above the 12" mark from the ground
11:25 PM rue_mohr: wood shakes?
11:25 PM zhanx: It's all steel frames
11:25 PM rue_mohr: roof?
11:25 PM rue_mohr: oo
11:25 PM zhanx: Metal roofs
11:25 PM rue_mohr: well maybe you can shoot us some pics later
11:25 PM zhanx: Wood floors
11:26 PM rue_mohr: k, wood floors are a writeoff
11:26 PM zhanx: It's an old hobby farm
11:26 PM rue_mohr: sitting right on the dirt I presume
11:26 PM rue_mohr: did it come with any good vegitation? fruit trees?
11:26 PM zhanx: Dirt for some cement for others. I burnt some of the old stuff yesterday
11:27 PM zhanx: I only want to keep 2 or 3 of them
11:27 PM zhanx: Old guy also has pvc pipe everywhere for watering
11:28 PM rue_mohr: ... above ground?
11:28 PM rue_mohr: whats the water supply?
11:28 PM zhanx: In ground with above ground ports. City for the ehouse
11:29 PM zhanx: Well for the yard
11:29 PM rue_mohr: k
11:29 PM rue_mohr: do you know if the well is clean?
11:29 PM zhanx: Haven't touched it
11:29 PM rue_mohr: less than 500000ppm arsnic?
11:30 PM rue_mohr: damn 20 mins left to live
11:31 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/tempimage/p1160523.jpg
11:31 PM rue_mohr: todays cnc ****up
11:31 PM rue_mohr: I think I was out by 180
11:31 PM zhanx: You are not injection molding are you?
11:32 PM rue_mohr: damn X for being a character that can be top-bottom left-right flipped
11:32 PM rue_mohr: not yet
11:32 PM rue_mohr: I was looking at another diy project
11:32 PM zhanx: Key word
11:32 PM rue_mohr: and they just used a set of cartridge heaters on a block with a cylinder drilled out of it
11:33 PM zhanx: Dang it need to light more charcoal
11:33 PM rue_mohr: so that shed was about $1850
11:34 PM rue_mohr: +- I messed up my materials list, and some people donated some stuff
11:34 PM zhanx: Not bad then
11:34 PM rue_mohr: suppose, its more than I thought it would be
11:35 PM rue_mohr: but like, metal roof was $400+
11:35 PM rue_mohr: went on fast tho :)
11:35 PM zhanx: I figure I will drop that on my garden next year
11:35 PM rue_mohr: any tractors with it?
11:36 PM rue_mohr: "dead" ones that just need a good carb cleaning?
11:36 PM zhanx: Nope I need to buy one
11:36 PM rue_mohr: odd a hobby farm not having a tractor?
11:37 PM zhanx: Long story short old man died, kids put mom in nursing home. Had auction
11:37 PM rue_mohr: yea
11:37 PM zhanx: Home did sell for 3 years etc
11:37 PM zhanx: Didnt*
11:37 PM rue_mohr: wow
11:38 PM rue_mohr: I'd come down if it didn't involve moving or being in a country run by a mantic child
11:39 PM rue_mohr: I dont really hear what our leader is up to, but it doesn't seem to be a topic of conversation ever
11:39 PM zhanx: Well at least I don't live under left wing rule. Another 250 shot plus this weekend in liberal cities
11:39 PM rue_mohr: wow
11:39 PM zhanx: Selling Canada to China mainly
11:39 PM rue_mohr: yea, thats been done by everyone for a long time
11:40 PM rue_mohr: else we would still have a wood industry here
11:40 PM zhanx: Hence why no news
11:40 PM rue_mohr: its interesting, this town was built around wood
11:40 PM rue_mohr: and there are so many old places dieing/ falling apart that aren't used now
11:40 PM rue_mohr: cause no wood industry
11:40 PM zhanx: Texas is booming
11:41 PM rue_mohr: our freaking economy is based on building houses
11:41 PM rue_mohr: its not sustainable
11:41 PM rue_mohr: (here)
11:41 PM zhanx: True
11:41 PM rue_mohr: were haivng major water issues
11:41 PM rue_mohr: but they keep approving huge housing developments
11:42 PM zhanx: China is stealing all the water this year with it's monsoon season
11:42 PM rue_mohr: I think were trying to dig wells
11:42 PM rue_mohr: taxes went WAY up
11:43 PM zhanx: China is being flooded bad this year
11:43 PM zhanx: Wuhan city s flooded
11:43 PM zhanx: Is*
11:44 PM rue_mohr: huh, dont hear news
11:44 PM rue_mohr: flooding isn't clean
11:44 PM rue_mohr: I wonder if they will trigger something else
11:44 PM zhanx: No and in China it's worse
11:45 PM zhanx: They already warned of h1n4 swine flu strain pandemic
11:46 PM rue_mohr: v4!
11:51 PM zhanx: Upgrades!
11:51 PM rue_shop1: well, we definitly exceeded the number of humans sustainable on the planet
11:51 PM zhanx: Not really
11:52 PM zhanx: We just let them have internet