#garfield Logs
Feb 26 2020
#garfield Calendar
05:01 AM Tom_L: also look at how car audio amps are layed out
07:59 AM X704 is now known as tiwake
03:25 PM polprog: reading the physics book
03:25 PM polprog: finalyl starts speaking to me in human terms - electrostatics
03:25 PM polprog: farads, volts, whatnot
03:25 PM polprog: so we arrive at the topic of capacitors
03:25 PM polprog: two conductors close to each oterh
03:26 PM polprog: Example one: spherical capacitor
03:26 PM polprog: in a vacuum
03:26 PM polprog: i dont know why i find it so funny, must be the sperical cows joke
03:26 PM polprog: :D
06:13 PM rue_shop1: :)
06:14 PM Tom_L: poo
06:14 PM Tom_L: what a day
06:19 PM rue_mohr: ok I think I fixed the controller box for the hospital doors
06:19 PM rue_mohr: bad cap
06:19 PM rue_mohr: put 'er back in tommorow
06:20 PM Tom_L: noisy caps used to be a money maker
06:22 PM rue_shop1: 25.6mV is 1 ohm rue
06:22 PM rue_shop1: this one was dry
06:22 PM rue_shop1: surface mount electro.
06:22 PM Tom_L: not that old then
06:22 PM rue_shop1: my in circuit cap tester spotted it easy
06:23 PM Tom_L: you should have spotted crap around it if it leaked
06:24 PM rue_mohr: nope, clean as a whistle
06:24 PM rue_mohr: not the one in the hot spot either
06:25 PM Tom_L: ever run into any rtl?
06:25 PM rue_mohr: no
06:26 PM rue_mohr: I dont remember what the chip series it prefixed with
06:26 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/tempimage/p1150315.jpg
06:26 PM rue_mohr: the red X
06:26 PM Tom_L: the legs were offset like a bug
06:26 PM Tom_L: on the dividers i used to replace in the 70's
06:26 PM rue_mohr: ? k
06:27 PM Tom_L: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UhMAAOSw-DRdTDHq/s-l400.jpg
06:27 PM Tom_L: good ole moto
06:29 PM Tom_L: i bet if i dug deep i might still have a few
06:33 PM Tom_L: i think it was before they had chip series
08:53 PM X704 is now known as tiwake
09:06 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, how to you define the difference between an alternator and a generator
09:08 PM MoonyMoon: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1107044.jpg
09:08 PM MoonyMoon: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/1510144.jpg
09:09 PM MoonyMoon: http://wevo.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/912-356-generator.JPG
09:09 PM MoonyMoon: rue_mohr: THERE!
09:10 PM rue_shop1: yea, no slip rings
09:10 PM MoonyMoon: its just the opposite in the way that the filed is the stator
09:10 PM MoonyMoon: field*
09:10 PM rue_shop1: hmm wound field...
09:10 PM MoonyMoon: in an alte3rnator the filed is the rotor I think
09:11 PM MoonyMoon: but a circuit that drives curent based on the battery leval should work across both
09:11 PM MoonyMoon: golly i'm a bad speller :P
09:12 PM rue_shop1: yea, alternator is backwardss
09:14 PM MoonyMoon: yeah and I'm seeming to remeber that the field terminal on these things are to gorund
09:15 PM MoonyMoon: so Ignition swith + to one side of field and reg to "field"
09:15 PM Tom_L: rue_shop1, generator doesn't require an energizer to keep it going
09:15 PM Tom_L: an alternater does
09:16 PM MoonyMoon: Tom_L: so would we class this generator as an alternator, is it a misnomer?
09:16 PM Tom_L: i would say so
09:17 PM Tom_L: because it can produce electricity without an exciter
09:17 PM MoonyMoon: hm, rue_mohr was debating that same thing with me on the phone :P
09:17 PM MoonyMoon: just now HA
09:17 PM Tom_L: you can spin his S10 alternator all day and unless it's connected to the battery it won't put out a charge
09:17 PM MoonyMoon: I understand
09:18 PM Tom_L: now,
09:18 PM MoonyMoon: same with this Genny
09:18 PM Tom_L: yes i was going to say his genny has an exciter circuit on it
09:18 PM Tom_L: if you look
09:18 PM MoonyMoon: witch one?
09:18 PM Tom_L: i bet
09:18 PM Tom_L: for his house
09:18 PM MoonyMoon: oh
09:19 PM Tom_L: it is likely an alternator with an exciter
09:19 PM MoonyMoon: yeah he'd know
09:20 PM Tom_L: that's my understanding anyway
09:21 PM Tom_L: https://i.stack.imgur.com/R9HGT.png
09:21 PM Tom_L: i think the coil at the bottom left is the exciter
09:22 PM Tom_L: i might be wrong
09:23 PM rue_shop1: wow, nice to have a working door on the fireshed
09:23 PM Tom_L: ^^ is that right rue?
09:23 PM MoonyMoon: yeah id say your right
09:24 PM Tom_L: he's the official channel sparkie though :)
09:25 PM rue_shop1: well, I'd say the commutatoin draws the line
09:27 PM MoonyMoon: rue is?
09:29 PM MoonyMoon: and draws the line, and puts it on what side DC genny?
09:35 PM * MoonyMoon OUT!
09:35 PM rue_shop1: I removed about 20lbs out of the UPS
09:35 PM rue_shop1: -of dust-
09:38 PM Tom_L: that's quite a bit
09:38 PM Tom_L: steppers don't have commutators do they?
09:41 PM rue_shop2: nope
09:41 PM Tom_L: so how can they generate electricity?
09:41 PM rue_shop1: 2 4 and 5 phase synchronous
09:42 PM Tom_L: so with no exciter circuit and no commutator they are a generator
09:42 PM rue_shop1: well, I draw the line with the commutator
09:42 PM rue_shop1: their not continious
09:42 PM rue_shop1: that would run as a motor just the same
09:43 PM Tom_L: so could moon's bug generator run as a motor if you reversed it?
09:43 PM Tom_L: or is his a newer one
09:44 PM Tom_L: the old ones _were_ generators
09:44 PM rue_shop1: yea, it went for 5 years on retired batteries before it complained
09:44 PM rue_shop1: yea, I suppose they made them without permanent fields as they were working towawrds the alternator
09:45 PM Tom_L: did you see that rtl pic i posted?
09:46 PM Tom_L: so did the 4k series come out before the 74hc 74xx series?
10:00 PM rue_shop1: yea
10:00 PM rue_shop1: ok
10:00 PM rue_shop1: if I saw one of those I'd have thought it an opto
10:03 PM Tom_L: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/jzMAAOSwQKlbHvYe/s-l300.jpg
10:04 PM Tom_L: there were single and double ones
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10:06 PM rue_shop1: urlclean
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10:06 PM rue_shop1: https://urlclean.com/
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10:07 PM rue_shop1: heh
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10:07 PM * rue_shop1 waits for the data to pass
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10:08 PM Tom_L: Jq222juFErhwW7sI/JlPjzaa+GNfSlSq3HxH4MYuHcaxSGwEYl4JSAEpDqwAASLAGBVfEuKWolRJKrlRMkk8ybmeZpUqRLk9bHFJFPEYe1uV/0+PxqqhhJg8zFzNtP4UqVCmc0rJsBwfCpzqdfdhQkBtoKI3MlS038hWn7TcTfYxBZwyw20hDeQBpqY7tBklSCZOalSouRWhXQOHaPG6jErEHQBI+SRVljtFjbxiXrf3zr69Y+NdpV1hqEfIK9neOvPDEIxK3X2/wAOtRSVwTBRABPsm+tZPiWEYcfS82lxAAEpUsKuAEzZI+A2pUq0yMVbD/Y55KXlJcaZW2lK3XCtsLWEITognQkx7zWexrveLU5lSjMonKgQlMmQkdBpSpVpiXiZTcRF/uarJ+/vzpUq4xiy71Erf4fClSrQWVnFVA4reaVKiQtka9IpjCCVA
10:08 PM Tom_L: DUmu0qIBkpegCRrpTsHg1PqOUgHkaVKseyMuwuOyzwGqJv+YxlAF9NbmguOwam3MiokcjI161ylQRk2HpRxMimPII1rtKjs6tjuF1FXArxJpUq5ghdqrLVKlQBFpCLUqVKhNo//2Q==
10:08 PM Tom_L: holy crap....
10:08 PM Tom_L: https://organforum.com/forums/filedata/fetch?id=591190&d=1390953179
10:08 PM Tom_L: that was the image not the link
10:08 PM rue_shop1: yep
10:09 PM Tom_L: the boards were almost all phenolic back then
10:10 PM Tom_L: i never did much with tubes though
10:19 PM rue_shop1: I tried to drive a solinoid with one once
10:19 PM rue_shop1: :)
10:23 PM Tom_L: how'd that work out?
10:48 PM rue_shop1: smoking tube!
10:48 PM rue_shop1: they dont switch 120VAC well
10:48 PM rue_shop1: :)
10:48 PM rue_shop1: I was young
10:49 PM rue_shop1: I think that was before my first ttl chip
10:49 PM rue_shop1: I remember that day
10:50 PM rue_shop1: I sat down with a 74LS374 and decided to *just figure it out*
10:50 PM Tom_L: :)
11:14 PM rue_shop1: hmm
11:14 PM rue_shop1: playing with different transistor switching circuits
11:15 PM rue_shop1: mostly logging how much they suck