#garfield Logs
Dec 24 2019
#garfield Calendar
04:47 AM polprog: http://www.bobeager.uk/anecdotes.html
04:52 AM polprog: great read
05:00 AM Tom_L: rue_mohr, doing brakes is easy
05:01 AM Tom_L: to the tune of $100 :)
05:13 AM Tom_L: finally got a shipping notice after a week or more
09:01 AM rue_bed2: Tom_L, its rusted to bits and everything needs ot be changed out, rotors, calipers, cylinders, ma ran it into the ground
09:01 AM rue_bed2: the world seems more miss than hit
09:02 AM rue_bed2: the shop that gave my new chainsaw back in bits (the shop that sold it and was supposed to be able to service it properly)
09:02 AM rue_bed2: the dentist who wouldn't finish my tooth cap
09:02 AM rue_bed2: *this* truck thing
09:04 AM rue_bed2: today I'll take a look and try and see wtf they did
12:15 PM rue_mohr: thought they lost a bolt, but they didn't
12:15 PM rue_mohr: this is halarious
12:15 PM rue_mohr: and tragic
12:42 PM Tom_L: it's the world we live in today
02:23 PM rue_mohr: talked to one of the mechanics thaat worked on it
02:23 PM rue_mohr: he says they are absolutly sure the gears are aligned but htat that napa gear is thicker than the orig
02:23 PM rue_mohr: I got the orig
02:24 PM rue_mohr: I'll get a set of napa gears
02:24 PM rue_mohr: he agrees timing is retarded but ads that from what I said, it may have been too far advanced before
02:24 PM rue_mohr: odd cause I did have it checked
02:25 PM rue_mohr: says they will fix it up for no further cost
02:25 PM rue_mohr: looking at the old gear, wow, i see what happens
02:25 PM rue_mohr: half the cam is under lots more load, so the teeth are all worn down
02:25 PM rue_mohr: a lot
02:26 PM rue_mohr: looks like they just get thinner till one gives, then the cam gear goes on a rampage thru the rest of them
02:58 PM Tom_L: good they will take care of it
03:01 PM rue_mohr: ""
03:01 PM rue_mohr: I wonder where the knock sensor is on that thing
03:40 PM Tom_L: so are you a little more at ease with it now?
03:40 PM Tom_L: i wonder if the napa cover is thicker too
03:47 PM Tom_L: https://i1.wp.com/allrihanna.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/2000-s10-2-2-engine-diagram-wiring-diagram-online-pertaining-to-chevy-s10-2-2l-engine-diagram.jpg
03:47 PM Tom_L: by the exhaust
05:07 PM rue_shop1: so I talked to them today
05:07 PM rue_shop1: they said that the new napa gear is thicker, I'm gonna confirm, I have napa bringing in another gear
05:07 PM rue_shop1: and I have the old ones
05:08 PM rue_shop1: they say there is a plastic cover that goes with it
05:08 PM rue_shop1: they cant source it
05:08 PM Tom_L: does napa make a thicker cover to go with their thicker gears?
05:08 PM Tom_L: that or double up the gaskets
05:09 PM rue_shop1: cant cause of 2 things
05:09 PM rue_shop1: that engine pan seam
05:09 PM Tom_L: bolt holes
05:09 PM Tom_L: in the bottom
05:09 PM Tom_L: for one
05:09 PM rue_shop1: and the front seal/pulley, balancer
05:09 PM rue_shop1: the bolts on the balancer area already scraping the goo off the front seal
05:09 PM Tom_L: so does anybody have a solution for it?
05:10 PM rue_shop1: like, the extra sealant goo they used
05:10 PM rue_shop1: they are going to take it back and sort it out
05:10 PM rue_shop1: but *holidays*
05:10 PM Tom_L: yeah
05:10 PM rue_shop1: they are back on the 27h
05:10 PM rue_shop1: I'm bench testing my spare ignition module
05:10 PM Tom_L: gonna tow it or drive it to them?
05:10 PM rue_shop1: so they cant pull a $300 on me for that
05:11 PM rue_shop1: I started it back up, its fine when its cold
05:11 PM rue_shop1: sounded HORRID after it heated up
05:11 PM rue_shop1: I'm worrried about particulate
05:11 PM Tom_L: tells you how close it is
05:11 PM Tom_L: i would be too
05:11 PM rue_shop1: he assured me that its definitly completely seated right
05:11 PM Tom_L: the filter will catch it but it's gotta get there first
05:12 PM rue_shop1: and that they are definitly in the right tooth, to the point I suspect it gave them issues
05:12 PM rue_shop1: the pulses on the spare ignition are 7-10V
05:13 PM rue_shop1: I'm working on how to bench test it
05:13 PM rue_shop1: G is ground, B is a bypass input that can be left disconnected
05:13 PM rue_shop1: R is called 'ref' I think its a timing to the ECM
05:13 PM Tom_L: do i need to look it up?
05:13 PM rue_shop1: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fieros.de%2Fen%2Fv6help%2F5s19236e.gif&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.fieros.de%2Fen%2Fv6help%2Fcode42.html&tbnid=P_a7SlDgZjqzZM&vet=12ahUKEwjcpNGDsc_mAhWBGTQIHRQOAwMQMygiegQIARBk..i&docid=9a91SUWo8pg21M&w=640&h=400&q=1991S10%20ignition%20module&client=firefox-b-e&ved=2ahUKEwjcpNGDsc_mAhWBGTQIHRQOAwMQMygiegQIARBk
05:13 PM rue_shop1: ouch
05:14 PM rue_shop1: dont know if there is anything better than that
05:15 PM Tom_L: probably quite similar
05:15 PM Tom_L: it might have test procedures, i dunno
05:22 PM Tom_L: just a wiring diagram mostly
05:22 PM rue_shop1: the test proc I saw, involve it all being hooked to the truck :)
05:26 PM Tom_L: so they sold you one anyway?
05:27 PM Tom_L: yeah i don't see much here of use really
05:28 PM rue_shop1: no
05:29 PM rue_shop1: I had a spare
05:29 PM Tom_L: haha i did print all the vehicle information on a sheet
05:29 PM Tom_L: just found it in the bottom of the box
05:29 PM Tom_L: Z engine code?
05:30 PM rue_shop1: A
05:30 PM rue_shop1: 2.5L
05:30 PM Tom_L: mine
05:30 PM Tom_L: 8th digit?
05:31 PM Tom_L: i'll leave these out for a bit
05:35 PM rue_shop1: 1 sec
05:37 PM rue_shop1: A
05:37 PM rue_shop1: keep saying its _A_ :)
05:37 PM rue_shop1: but now I have the whole thing
05:37 PM rue_shop1: I wonder what "EST" is...
05:43 PM Tom_L: Electronic Spark Timing
05:49 PM rue_shop1: hmmm
05:50 PM rue_shop1: so, whats ref?
05:50 PM Tom_L: i closed the page
05:55 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/S10_pics/Ignition_wiring.jpg
05:57 PM Tom_L: ref is GND
05:57 PM Tom_L: upper left
05:58 PM rue_shop1: G is ground
05:58 PM rue_shop1: there are 4 pins
05:58 PM rue_shop1: GBRE
05:58 PM rue_shop1: B is bypass , it can be left disconnected
05:58 PM rue_shop1: R is reference, I think thats the conditioned signal back to the computer
05:59 PM rue_shop1: and then there is E
05:59 PM rue_shop1: electronic sp
05:59 PM rue_shop1: ooooh
05:59 PM rue_shop1: ok, I know
05:59 PM rue_shop1: when the computer bypasses the ecm
05:59 PM rue_shop1: the ref is the signal that the rotor generates
05:59 PM rue_shop1: and it uses est to trigger a spark
06:00 PM rue_shop1: so, I just need G
06:01 PM Tom_L: parts shop doesn't have a tester for them?
06:01 PM Tom_L: they like to test parts that way they can sell you a new one if it's bad
06:04 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/S10_pics/Component_location.jpg
06:05 PM rue_shop1: I also know how most people will just start changing parts till something works
06:05 PM Tom_L: now you know where everything is too
06:06 PM rue_shop1: dont see knock sensor
06:06 PM rue_shop1: dunno if it actaully has one, google is evil
06:06 PM Tom_L: it's by the exaust collector
06:07 PM Tom_L: i posted a pic of it earlier
06:07 PM Tom_L: if yours has one
06:09 PM rue_shop1: ok, solo mode is good
06:09 PM Tom_L: damn that didn't work
06:11 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/S10_pics/Component_location2.jpg
06:14 PM rue_shop1: nice
06:14 PM Tom_L: that's most of them
06:14 PM Tom_L: there were a couple on another page
06:16 PM Tom_L: so
06:16 PM Tom_L: when you go all electric, you will need to send me updated books :)
06:21 PM Tom_L: what is a barrel shifter?
06:21 PM Tom_L: fifo?
06:32 PM rue_shop1: I'v heard of a barrel shifter, but I'm not usre
06:32 PM rue_shop1: sure
06:32 PM Tom_L: they sent sample code for one
06:32 PM Tom_L: didn't know what it was
06:33 PM Tom_L: looks like it displays the carry bit, i'm not sure
06:45 PM rue_mohr: oh damnI wanted your help to compile that test on my end
06:46 PM rue_mohr: oh, its a 1 cycle shifts anything you want
06:46 PM rue_mohr: its prettymuch a routing matrix
07:05 PM Tom_L: well whatever it does, i've got one :)
07:20 PM rue_mohr: heh
07:20 PM Tom_L: they actually sent some useful examples
07:23 PM rue_mohr: ok, are the files the right ones for that demo?
07:23 PM rue_mohr: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/xilinx/rue/
07:23 PM rue_mohr: .v and .ucf?
07:23 PM Tom_L: yes
07:24 PM Tom_L: .v is verilog
07:24 PM Tom_L: .ucf is the pin file
07:24 PM rue_mohr: ok, I can just add it to the project?
07:24 PM Tom_L: .vhd is vhdl
07:24 PM Tom_L: yeah go to the lib tab
07:24 PM Tom_L: right click on 'work'
07:24 PM rue_mohr: I want to work on this editor, but lets see if we can pull this off
07:24 PM Tom_L: <- doing from memory
07:25 PM rue_mohr: np
07:26 PM Tom_L: at least you got a working solution now
07:26 PM rue_shop3: oops pls link me again
07:26 PM rue_shop3: I'm going to try to get the ide up
07:26 PM Tom_L: for what?
07:26 PM rue_shop3: that demo...
07:26 PM rue_shop3: haha nevermind
07:26 PM Tom_L: /temp/xilinx
07:27 PM rue_shop3: I'm lapping myself
07:27 PM Tom_L: i can put these files up if you want something to look at
07:28 PM rue_shop3: I cant find the program to run
07:29 PM Tom_L: it's in the sub directory
07:29 PM Tom_L: first.bit
07:29 PM rue_shop3: bin data idata labtools msg planahead_wp webpack xsetup
07:29 PM rue_shop3: common edk ise lib planahead sysgen xinfo
07:29 PM rue_shop3: no I cant find the ide to run it
07:29 PM Tom_L: oh
07:29 PM Tom_L: highlite the main file in the list at the top
07:29 PM Tom_L: with the 3 squares beside it
07:30 PM rue_shop3: its not running yet
07:30 PM Tom_L: in the design tab
07:30 PM rue_shop3: I cant find the main program to run it
07:30 PM Tom_L: no files in the project?
07:30 PM rue_shop3: no no
07:30 PM rue_shop3: the ide
07:30 PM rue_shop3: I cant find the program to start the ide
07:31 PM rue_shop3: thjere was a power outage
07:31 PM Tom_L: oh did you run sources32 or 64
07:31 PM rue_shop3: I have to restart it
07:31 PM Tom_L: then ise
07:31 PM rue_shop3: and this mouse is pissing me off
07:31 PM Tom_L: forgetting you're on linux
07:32 PM rue_shop3: I dont think I'm in the install, I need the name of a file to find it
07:32 PM Tom_L: where's your notes?
07:32 PM Tom_L: is it /opt?
07:32 PM Tom_L: then find the linux install from that
07:32 PM rue_shop3: yes!
07:33 PM Tom_L: then run sources64
07:33 PM Tom_L: if you're 64bit
07:33 PM Tom_L: or whatever it's called
07:33 PM Tom_L: then ise
07:33 PM rue_shop3: its starting!
07:33 PM rue_shop3: that was it, its under opt
07:38 PM rue_shop3: ok
07:38 PM rue_shop3: so
07:38 PM rue_shop3: synth tool default
07:38 PM rue_shop3: verilog?
07:38 PM rue_shop3: or vdhl?
07:38 PM rue_shop3: I forget what you said it was
07:38 PM Tom_L: doesn't matter
07:39 PM Tom_L: verilog
07:39 PM Tom_L: is .v
07:39 PM Tom_L: it'll figure it out anyway
07:39 PM rue_shop3: ok
07:39 PM rue_shop3: add files
07:39 PM rue_shop3: ..
07:39 PM Tom_L: add source
07:39 PM Tom_L: from the lib tab
07:39 PM Tom_L: work
07:39 PM Tom_L: right click
07:41 PM rue_shop3: ok
07:42 PM Tom_L: then back to design tab
07:42 PM rue_shop3: design,
07:42 PM rue_shop3: synth
07:42 PM rue_shop3: ? yes?
07:42 PM rue_shop3: oops I double clicked it anyhow
07:42 PM Tom_L: what do you want to do?
07:42 PM rue_shop3: just make it as-is
07:43 PM rue_shop3: oh must be implement
07:43 PM Tom_L: you want to go below that to Generate Program File
07:43 PM rue_shop3: ok!
07:43 PM Tom_L: that's as far down as you need to go
07:43 PM rue_shop3: map failed
07:44 PM Tom_L: did you set the right device?
07:44 PM Tom_L: xc6slx18-3ffg256
07:44 PM Tom_L: xc6slx16-3ffg256
07:44 PM rue_shop3: Map:258 - A problem was encountered attempting to get the license for this architecture.
07:45 PM Tom_L: oh
07:45 PM rue_shop3: hah broken install
07:45 PM Tom_L: you need to add the user license
07:45 PM rue_shop3: it cant run that
07:45 PM rue_shop3: ok now we know
07:46 PM rue_shop3: I"ll have to work on that next
07:46 PM rue_shop3: get a working install
07:47 PM Tom_L: Help -> Manage license
07:47 PM Tom_L: you got a .lic file a while back right?
07:48 PM Tom_L: i'm not convinced it's broke yet
07:52 PM rue_shop3: it canr tun the liscence manager
07:52 PM rue_shop3: I did
07:53 PM rue_shop3: it cant run the program to register the liscence
07:53 PM rue_shop3: it needs that windows library
07:53 PM Tom_L: i'm pretty sure i got past that
07:53 PM rue_shop1: that progress, we can try more later
07:54 PM Tom_L: if it comes to you re'installing it, don't install the drivers when it asks
07:54 PM rue_shop1: I finished with the truck stuff and I wanna go wirte code
07:54 PM Tom_L: there is a way around it but i'd have to go look
08:18 PM Tom_L: you need to run as root too...
08:18 PM Tom_L: forgot that part
08:22 PM Tom_L: yeah i just ran yours and it works in linux
08:29 PM Tom_L: i posted fresh files up there, you might wanna grab em
08:29 PM Tom_L: first.v first.ucf
08:29 PM rue_mohr: always do
08:29 PM rue_mohr: I need to get around the liscener / broken install issue
08:29 PM rue_mohr: I'll try things later
08:30 PM rue_mohr: I'm almost out of milk for tea
08:30 PM Tom_L: if you re'install it will ask if you want to install usb drivers or something. tell it no
08:30 PM rue_mohr: and its like trying to decide, with 5 minutes of breathable air left, if you should gulp them all down at once or savour every last one
08:30 PM Tom_L: i still think you can get past it in the license manager
08:31 PM Tom_L: it's about as easy to reinstall it
08:31 PM rue_mohr: I think because its the 64 bit install that it cant get the library to run the liscence manager
08:31 PM Tom_L: just takes a while
08:31 PM rue_mohr: but I'll try later
08:31 PM rue_mohr: I'm working on this editor now
08:31 PM Tom_L: i'm running 64bit on linux
08:31 PM Tom_L: that's fine
08:31 PM rue_mohr: ok
08:32 PM Tom_L: debian 10.2
08:33 PM Tom_L: i'll just go sleep a while
09:57 PM Tom_L: for a chinese board, they sent me a very nice schematic