#garfield Logs

Jun 23 2019

03:06 AM rue_shop1: 1am, I'm running out of steam
05:15 PM zhanx- is now known as zhanx_
07:09 PM Tom_L: daily report is in order here
07:09 PM Tom_L: nothing much to report here
07:12 PM rue_shop1: hmm
07:12 PM rue_shop1: one of the guys came by and we worked on our 3d printers
07:12 PM rue_shop1: wtf else did I do
07:13 PM rue_shop1: ma came by, we did some gardening and I fixed her up a lamp
07:13 PM rue_shop1: I was going to get the smelter stuff togethr, I guess thats where I'm picking up
07:14 PM Tom_L: gotta take my kid ~12-12>30 or so, he leaves at 1:30AM
07:14 PM Tom_L: that would be fun to try but i don't really need anything i can't machine just as easy
07:15 PM rue_shop1: it seems that half my weekend is usually progress-less
07:15 PM rue_shop1: :/
07:16 PM rue_shop1: i AM still in my pajamas
07:16 PM Tom_L: one less thing to undo
07:17 PM rue_shop1: well,
07:18 PM rue_shop1: if I'm gonna redo the smelter I'd best get it uninsulated
07:18 PM rue_shop1: and I want make up a top for it
07:18 PM Tom_L: the inside is ss right?
07:18 PM rue_shop1: right now I use a big peice of steel and thats not efficient
07:18 PM rue_shop1: not of the smelter
07:18 PM rue_shop1: just the pot is SS
07:18 PM Tom_L: no you need bricks or insul on top
07:18 PM rue_shop1: no, the perlite+concrete is fine
07:18 PM rue_shop1: its lasted ages
07:18 PM Tom_L: oh, you set a pot inside it to melt the alum?
07:19 PM rue_shop1: and its in the weather
07:19 PM rue_shop1: http://ruemohr.org/%7Eircjunk/projects/smelter/p1120469.jpg
07:19 PM rue_shop1: http://ruemohr.org/%7Eircjunk/projects/smelter/p1080319.jpg
07:20 PM rue_shop1: - make proper top
07:20 PM rue_shop1: - redo interior insulation
07:20 PM rue_shop1: :) its 9 years old
07:20 PM Tom_L: so the inside is bare concrete mix
07:20 PM rue_shop1: mostly perline
07:20 PM rue_shop1: perlite
07:20 PM Tom_L: what ratio?
07:21 PM rue_shop1: dont remember, mostly perlite
07:21 PM rue_shop1: http://ruemohr.org/%7Eircjunk/projects/smelter/p1010998.jpg
07:21 PM Tom_L: better remember if you're re'doing it
07:21 PM rue_shop1: the hangers came later as the insulation got thinner
07:21 PM rue_shop1: http://ruemohr.org/%7Eircjunk/projects/smelter/p1040229.jpg
07:22 PM rue_shop1: over the 9 years in the weather, its eroded to about 50% of orig
07:22 PM Tom_L: what was the inside mold for it made from?
07:22 PM Tom_L: coffee can?
07:22 PM rue_shop1: nope
07:22 PM rue_shop1: hand
07:22 PM rue_shop1: I might make the new one in long bricks
07:22 PM Tom_L: and you got a fan on it too?
07:22 PM rue_shop1: and morter them together with more
07:23 PM rue_shop1: that was a diesel blower
07:23 PM rue_shop1: it sized up
07:23 PM Tom_L: would fire bricks work?
07:23 PM rue_shop1: not normal ones
07:23 PM Tom_L: like for a kiln
07:23 PM rue_shop1: yea
07:23 PM rue_shop1: they would
07:23 PM Tom_L: i bet a kiln would work
07:23 PM rue_shop1: if their light, their the right stuff
07:23 PM Tom_L: more costly to fuel
07:24 PM rue_shop1: about $5 in diesel would do about 6L of alum
07:24 PM rue_shop1: the propane doesn't seem unreasonable, but I'v not locked it
07:24 PM rue_shop1: clocked
07:24 PM Tom_L: how does the diesel blower work?
07:24 PM rue_shop1: the deisel was fast
07:24 PM rue_shop1: but then it siezed
07:24 PM Tom_L: it's hotter right?
07:24 PM rue_shop1: ~
07:24 PM rue_shop1: I think it might have been faster
07:24 PM rue_shop1: but I have to redo the inslation
07:24 PM rue_shop1: biab
07:24 PM Tom_L: how long does a 20lb bottle last?
07:25 PM Tom_L: propane
07:32 PM zhanx_: At 5-8 psi I can use up one in 8 hours
07:33 PM rue_shop1: yea, its at about 1/2" in some places
07:34 PM rue_shop1: Tom_L, is that a normal bbq tank?
07:34 PM Tom_L: yeah
07:37 PM rue_shop1: I'd say z is about right, atleast 4 long runs at 2hrs
07:45 PM rue_shop1: ok, its uninsulated
07:45 PM rue_shop1: now I'm commited
07:49 PM Tom_L: i wonder if natural gas would work
07:49 PM Tom_L: i've got 2 old stoves 2 burner and 1 burner i could pull the 'jet' part from
07:51 PM rue_shop1: metalwork first
07:52 PM rue_shop1: nat gas is colder than propane
07:52 PM rue_shop1: if you can get an old diesel furnace blower go for that
08:01 PM rue_shop1: oops
08:01 PM rue_shop1: welded those waay too high
08:01 PM rue_shop1: *not tacked*
08:03 PM Tom_L: dunno where to get one of those
08:07 PM Tom_L: kero forced air heater would be too big i bet
08:18 PM rue_shop1: old
08:18 PM rue_shop1: you know, oil furnaces?
08:18 PM Tom_L: yeah but not many were used around here
08:18 PM rue_shop1: the ones everyone is getting rid of, then has to igure out what to do with the tank?
08:18 PM rue_shop1: oh
08:18 PM Tom_L: east coast used alot of em
08:18 PM Tom_L: but not here that i know of
08:20 PM rue_shop1: could you do a search on the 2010 robotics logs for "perlite" ?
08:20 PM Tom_L: o i bet i _could_
08:20 PM rue_shop1: and I need a 2" band of sheet metal thats about 40" long
08:20 PM rue_shop1: dont know if I have those logs...
08:22 PM Tom_L: <furrywolf> it appears to be about 95% peat, 5% perlite, and 0% anything nutritious.
08:22 PM Tom_L: that what you're looking for?
08:22 PM Tom_L: no...
08:24 PM Tom_L: the local log isn't dated
08:24 PM Tom_L: what are you looking for?
08:25 PM Tom_L: <rue_house> ARG 4 days to set!!!!
08:25 PM Tom_L: haha
08:26 PM Tom_L: <rue_house> The refractory mix is composed of Portland cement (1.5 parts), silica sand (2 parts), perlite (1.5 parts) and fireclay (2 parts).
08:27 PM Tom_L: <rue_house> http://www.backyardmetalcasting.com/refractories.html
08:30 PM rue_shop1: the mix I was using, I was sure I ...
08:30 PM rue_shop1: yea
08:31 PM rue_shop1: so, as per your suggestion, I found a 8" peice of air duct
08:31 PM Tom_L: :)
08:31 PM rue_shop1: which works for 2" of insulation for the 12" tank
08:31 PM rue_shop1: dont have any fire clay so
08:31 PM Tom_L: i heard kitty litter works for something
08:31 PM Tom_L: fire clay?
08:31 PM Tom_L: smash it
08:32 PM zhanx: just use perlite
08:32 PM rue_shop1: 1.5P portland, 2p sand, and 3.5P perlite
08:32 PM rue_shop1: kitty litter is for casting sand
08:32 PM rue_shop1: as a binder
08:32 PM Tom_L: portland probably just holds it together
08:32 PM rue_shop1: yea
08:32 PM Tom_L: ah ok
08:32 PM rue_shop1: ok
08:32 PM Tom_L: i watched the myford guy doing some of that yesterday
08:32 PM rue_shop1: damn sheet metal, I'm bleeding
08:33 PM Tom_L: it bit me when i was working on the AC
08:33 PM Tom_L: i think i'd remove the duct once it sets up
08:33 PM zhanx: gloves are need for sheet metal, which is one of the few times i wear them
08:34 PM Tom_L: that and welding is about it for me
08:34 PM zhanx: if something is super greasy i will toss on some latex ones
08:35 PM Tom_L: her suv is a bitch to change oil in
08:35 PM Tom_L: can't do it without getting drenched in oil
08:36 PM Tom_L: the plug is slotted so as soon as you break it, it starts leaking
08:36 PM Tom_L: the filter the same way
08:36 PM zhanx: i stopped doing the wife's for the same reason
08:36 PM Tom_L: i just put on one glove and toss it when i'm done
08:36 PM zhanx: she can stop and have it done faster than me dragging everything out to do it and i dont get covered in oil
08:37 PM Tom_L: i'm gettin better at it :)
08:40 PM rue_shop1: special funnelw ith tube
08:40 PM Tom_L: i do that on the mower
08:40 PM Tom_L: or it'd leak all over the deck
08:41 PM rue_shop1: ok it'll take 14L for the side pour
08:42 PM Tom_L: seems like alot
08:47 PM rue_shop1: hmm bailing wire is missing...
08:48 PM Tom_L: you re'inforced it?
08:50 PM rue_shop1: aha, wait its been in the way of the ....
08:50 PM rue_shop1: yes, there we go
08:50 PM rue_shop1: no, I have to cover over the hole for the blower
08:51 PM rue_shop1: dont worry, I'm taking pics
08:51 PM rue_shop1: dit he smelter have a slideshow...?
08:52 PM Tom_L: i dunno
08:52 PM rue_shop1: http://ruemohr.org/%7Eircjunk/projects/smelter/slide.htm
08:52 PM rue_shop1: oh yea, ok
08:52 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:53 PM rue_shop1: ok I just want to prep a piece for the top before I mix up
08:58 PM zhanx: ok all done
08:59 PM zhanx: garden fully watered with waste water from making beer for my birthday
09:04 PM rue_shop1: ooo, it'll grow like crazy
09:07 PM rue_shop1: well, I'm making a florious mess
09:07 PM rue_shop1: glorious
09:07 PM Tom_L: true rue fashion
09:09 PM zhanx: yep
09:09 PM rue_shop1: 5L for the lid
09:09 PM rue_shop1: so, 19L of mix
09:09 PM rue_shop1: 1.5P portland, 2p sand, and 3.5P perlite
09:09 PM rue_shop1: 1.5k+2k+3.5k = 19
09:10 PM rue_shop1: 7k = 19
09:10 PM rue_shop1: k = 2.7
09:10 PM Tom_L: by weight or volume?
09:10 PM rue_shop1: so volume
09:11 PM rue_shop1: 4L of portland
09:11 PM rue_shop1: 5.5L of sand
09:11 PM rue_shop1: 9.5L of perlite
09:11 PM zhanx: doing the math of what you need to get?
09:11 PM rue_shop1: already have it!
09:11 PM zhanx: nice
09:11 PM rue_shop1: didn't know if I'd get to it, but apparently its what I'm doing now!
09:11 PM rue_shop1: :)
09:12 PM zhanx: tends to happen i guess
09:12 PM rue_shop1: I'll only be missing the bottom of the burn area
09:12 PM zhanx: isn't that the ground?
09:13 PM rue_shop1: which is ok, I'll take out the pipe when its set and pour it in later
09:13 PM Tom_L: i don't dick around if i have a project in the works...
09:15 PM zhanx: I started off this coming week having 1 job booked, by the end of the day, was fully booked again for the week
09:16 PM Tom_L: it works that way sometimes
09:16 PM Tom_L: my last week was dead
09:16 PM zhanx: 3 weeks in a row for me now
09:16 PM Tom_L: but i get that nearly every year this time
09:17 PM Tom_L: last year was an exception.. was busy all the time
09:17 PM Tom_L: there was a time we were booked a month out
09:18 PM zhanx: nice
09:18 PM Tom_L: economy doesn't support that anymore
09:18 PM zhanx: i have 1 job for july
09:18 PM zhanx: the economy here is booming thankfully
09:25 PM rue_shop1: <rue_shop1> 4L of portland
09:25 PM rue_shop1: <rue_shop1> 5.5L of sand
09:25 PM rue_shop1: <rue_shop1> 9.5L of perlite
09:27 PM rue_shop1: sandblaster is gonna hate me for this
09:27 PM Tom_L: hope you didn't fill it with walnut shells
09:29 PM rue_shop1: hahah
09:43 PM rue_shop1: dry is mixed
09:43 PM rue_shop1: looks heavy
09:50 PM rue_shop1: !!!!!!!!!
09:50 PM rue_shop1: math error?
09:51 PM zhanx: measuring error?
09:51 PM Tom_L: seemed like alot to me from the pics you posted
09:52 PM zhanx: bright side of it! you may have enough to make two!
10:00 PM rue_shop1: short
10:02 PM Tom_L: !
10:11 PM rue_shop1: ok, with 2 emergency mixes I got it
10:11 PM rue_shop1: I couldn't measure properly
10:11 PM rue_shop1: so, here is hoping its not too critical
10:12 PM rue_shop1: prolly 48 hours for it to set...
10:14 PM Tom_L: you make a lid this time too?
10:14 PM rue_shop1: yea
10:14 PM rue_shop1: taking pics...
10:16 PM rue_shop1: well cool
10:16 PM rue_shop1: thats almost the list I had for the weekend
10:17 PM rue_shop1: now, I think supper is burning
10:32 PM rue_mohr: damn time goes too fast
10:32 PM rue_mohr: if i want to have supper by 7, I swear I have to start at lunch
10:33 PM rue_mohr: so, no lab tests tommorow either ARG
10:34 PM rue_mohr: ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/smelter/
10:34 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/smelter/slide.htm
10:34 PM rue_mohr: if you just go bakwards thru it
10:37 PM Tom_L: no wonder you cut yourself
10:37 PM rue_mohr: :)
10:37 PM zhanx: do i dare look?
10:37 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/smelter/slide.htm
10:37 PM rue_mohr: jujust hit backwards thru the iamges
10:38 PM Tom_L: ok the scale looks better there. it's bigger than i had pictured in my head
10:38 PM Tom_L: unless this one _is_ bigger
10:38 PM rue_mohr: same one
10:39 PM zhanx: wait in p1120473 the piece is split?
10:39 PM Tom_L: i bet this one will be better
10:40 PM rue_mohr: peice?
10:40 PM zhanx: wait its the photo that made me think that
10:40 PM rue_mohr: 473 is the trigger were trying to cast
10:40 PM Tom_L: so when it sets, you gonna remove the inside tin?
10:41 PM rue_mohr: if I can, otherwise I'll just burn out the required holes
10:41 PM Tom_L: it should collapse ok i'd think
10:41 PM rue_mohr: ! oh yea
10:41 PM rue_mohr: k :)
10:41 PM Tom_L: the seam
10:41 PM Tom_L: unless it gets stuck
10:41 PM rue_mohr: kiiinda
10:42 PM rue_mohr: I thought about it, and decided not to care
10:42 PM Tom_L: maybe you should have greased it a bit with something
10:44 PM rue_mohr: yup, like the can of PAM I have sitting right in the shop door :/
10:45 PM rue_mohr: (I thought about that too)
10:45 PM zhanx: more like a powder i would think
10:45 PM rue_mohr: for concrete? they use diesel on the forms
10:45 PM Tom_L: not with a mix that wet
10:46 PM rue_mohr: I did it pretty wet this time
10:46 PM Tom_L: hope it doesn't crack more
10:47 PM Tom_L: looks good. looks like you may have done it before :)
10:47 PM rue_mohr: that old stuff did NOT want to come out
10:47 PM rue_mohr: and it was just paddied in by hand
10:48 PM Tom_L: how you gonna poke a hole in it for the heater?
10:48 PM rue_mohr: well I have to cut that out, and I burried the hangers for the pot
10:48 PM rue_mohr: so, if I attack it when its still a bit soft I should be ok
10:49 PM zhanx: i would have thought you would vibration pack it, and use a soda can for the heater tube
10:49 PM rue_mohr: with 2" of insulation, you could hold your hand on the side even after the aluminum was ready
10:50 PM rue_mohr: there is a pulley there that did some vibration hammer action
10:50 PM Tom_L: that's pretty good
10:50 PM rue_mohr: I tried to stick a pole in there and pulled up more than went down
10:51 PM rue_mohr: even if I cant get the tin out, after 1 burn it'll warp and buckle so much that it cant stay in
10:51 PM Tom_L: yeah it will come eventually
10:52 PM rue_mohr: I was gonna leave the old bottom in, but it didn't stay when I was chipping
10:52 PM rue_mohr: ok, hmm
10:54 PM Tom_L: i gotta last a couple hrs more to take my kid to school for his trip
10:55 PM rue_mohr: :)
10:57 PM zhanx: I am working for NCR again tomorrow
10:58 PM zhanx: reading over the stuff they sent me
10:59 PM zhanx: i am replacing all the hand held scanners in the store, about as far as the NDA allows
10:59 PM rue_mohr: bar code scanners excite me, but I'v not found a use for them yet
11:00 PM Tom_L: i noticed sam's had new ones here for random spot checking at the exit
11:00 PM zhanx: which is funny as I was contracted as the lead tech and the NCR tech is my helper
11:00 PM Tom_L: i did barcode in my program for a while but took it out finally
11:01 PM zhanx: I thought about adding them or qr codes to my receipts
11:02 PM Tom_L: mine was for zipcodes
11:02 PM Tom_L: caused more problems than it was worth
11:03 PM Tom_L: as did the +4 when i added it
11:03 PM zhanx: yea the +4 is really not needed for most places
11:04 PM rue_mohr: ?
11:04 PM Tom_L: 67213-3849
11:04 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, major cities have a standard zip and then a plus 4 to breakdown areas, its not used a lot
11:04 PM Tom_L: not just 67213
11:05 PM Tom_L: see now you can look that up
11:07 PM Tom_L: i don't even remember what sort of barcode it used now
11:07 PM Tom_L: 3 of 9 maybe/
11:07 PM Tom_L: ?
11:07 PM rue_mohr: huh
11:08 PM zhanx: 3 of 9 or 128?
11:11 PM Tom_L: don't remember now
11:39 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, i should send you this bloated pdf
11:39 PM zhanx: its how not to write an install guide
11:46 PM rue_mohr: haha
11:46 PM rue_mohr: no thanks
11:47 PM zhanx: 51 pages of garbage
11:47 PM zhanx: should be, swap scanner, plug into x port
11:47 PM rue_mohr: heh, been there,
11:47 PM rue_mohr: page thru the whole thing, not _1_ important detail
11:47 PM zhanx: its NCR this is normal for them
11:52 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, NCR has been trying to hire me on for a while