#garfield Logs
Apr 06 2019
#garfield Calendar
12:15 AM RonoldoMoon: pancakes
12:19 AM zhanx: no
12:19 AM RonoldoMoon: not even with strawberry jam?
12:19 AM zhanx: not even with my homemade maple syrup
12:19 AM RonoldoMoon: What!?
12:19 AM RonoldoMoon: :(
12:19 AM zhanx: i am a potatoes and sausage man
12:19 AM RonoldoMoon: Oh, sausage is cool. in a literal way ;)
12:19 AM zhanx: ok
12:21 AM zhanx: well it is good
12:21 AM zhanx: I have to boil more sap soon
12:22 AM RonoldoMoon: cool, is there any reality to when people say you need a "sugar" Maple to get syrup?
12:22 AM zhanx: kind of
12:22 AM zhanx: a sugar maple is a larger tree
12:22 AM zhanx: over 2 feet in diameter
12:22 AM RonoldoMoon: as in it gets sweeter with age?
12:23 AM zhanx: no it draws up more etc
12:23 AM zhanx: the smaller trees don't draw as much
12:23 AM RonoldoMoon: so indirectly an age thing but all about the size
12:23 AM zhanx: a sugar bush is a large group of old maples
12:23 AM zhanx: yep
12:24 AM RonoldoMoon: ok well maybe i should try, whats the volume like per tree?
12:24 AM zhanx: well my large old tree about 6 diameter is 5 gallons of sap in 3 days depending weather
12:25 AM zhanx: the smaller 2 are half that for the same weather
12:25 AM zhanx: freezing nights to send the sap back in the ground and warm days
12:25 AM RonoldoMoon: oh so a fall spring type thing?
12:25 AM zhanx: spring only
12:26 AM RonoldoMoon: ok , gee im running out of time :p I wont be home in time .
12:26 AM zhanx: 2 more weeks and its done for sure if that
12:26 AM RonoldoMoon: yeah, I got another 6 weeks away from home.
12:29 AM RonoldoMoon: well night zhanx.
12:30 AM zhanx: night moon, hopefully i can wait up til rue gets on
12:30 AM zhanx: and he left
12:44 AM rue_shop1: stripping baords
12:44 AM rue_shop1: I got SO many speakers
12:44 AM rue_shop1: and ... MIC5841 LOTS of those :)))))
12:44 AM rue_shop1: LOTS of hall switches
12:45 AM rue_shop1: bunch of leds
12:45 AM rue_shop1: gettin some buttons
12:45 AM zhanx: rue_shop1, ok transistor to use a gpio of a pi to turn on a 328p or the blue pill
12:45 AM zhanx: or ???
12:45 AM zhanx: can i just toggle the power like that?
12:48 AM rue_shop1: irf4905?
12:48 AM rue_shop1: low drop :)
12:49 AM zhanx: k
12:49 AM zhanx: pricey
12:56 AM zhanx: rue_shop1, yep that will work
01:06 AM rue_shop1: ? no
01:06 AM rue_shop1: ali
01:06 AM rue_shop1: 10 for like $3
01:06 AM rue_shop1: 2ish if usd
01:07 AM zhanx: i only checked digikey
01:10 AM rue_shop1: hah
01:19 AM zhanx: this project is over budget anyways
01:45 AM rue_mohr: Ipresume you want to switch regulated and not bulk voltage?
01:45 AM rue_mohr: if it was bulk, likley a 2N3906 would do
01:46 AM zhanx: its battery powered
03:44 AM rue_mohr: --
05:34 PM Tom_L: rue_mohr
06:09 PM rue_mohr: yes?
06:31 PM Tom_L: i added a ssd to my main system and installed debian on it. i have 2 other ssd's on there. one is win7 32 and the other is win764
06:32 PM Tom_L: now when i boot to my win7 32 disk none of my dos programs will run
06:32 PM Tom_L: any ideas what grub did to it?
06:33 PM Tom_L: they were completely separate ssd drives
06:33 PM Tom_L: 3
06:33 PM Tom_L: and i used the bios to switch between them, not grub
06:34 PM Tom_L: but it's rather important i be able to get to the dos programs on with win7 32 drive
06:34 PM Tom_L: all the windows stuff seems to work fine
06:37 PM Tom_L: even none of the old dos commands will execute in the window
06:37 PM Tom_L: just sits there, no errors
07:07 PM rue_mohr: ?
07:07 PM rue_mohr: it reset the pnp?
07:07 PM Tom_L: i don't know what it did
07:08 PM rue_mohr: what programs dont work?
07:08 PM Tom_L: it's installed on a completely separate drive
07:08 PM Tom_L: none of the 16bit dos programs
07:08 PM rue_mohr: by name
07:08 PM Tom_L: my business program for one
07:09 PM Tom_L: anything from a cmd window
07:09 PM Tom_L: none of the dos utilities etc
07:09 PM Tom_L: nothing
07:10 PM Tom_L: only things from the dos cmd window
07:11 PM rue_mohr: hmm
07:11 PM rue_mohr: so, you took the drive out, put in another drive, installed linux, put the first drive back and the programs wont run?
07:12 PM Tom_L: the cpu useage spikes
07:12 PM rue_mohr: so, you took the drive out, put in another drive, installed linux, put the first drive back and the programs wont run?
07:12 PM Tom_L: i had the other ssd in while i did the debian install but it installed to a new physical drive
07:13 PM Tom_L: one thing i did do was mount the windows drive to view some files
07:13 PM Tom_L: that's it
07:14 PM rue_mohr: the origional drive still boots tho, right?
07:14 PM Tom_L: so one of those 2 things altered windows
07:14 PM Tom_L: yes
07:14 PM rue_mohr: oh
07:14 PM rue_mohr: when you use the old drive, do you have the new drive plugged in?
07:14 PM Tom_L: windows comes up fine
07:14 PM Tom_L: i removed the linux drive now
07:14 PM Tom_L: still not working
07:14 PM rue_mohr: its not a drive thing
07:14 PM rue_mohr: its a pnp thing
07:14 PM rue_mohr: I'm sure of it
07:15 PM Tom_L: could be but what is pnp?
07:15 PM rue_mohr: Plug and Play
07:15 PM Tom_L: no i'm not sure because i let the bios pick which drive to boot from
07:15 PM Tom_L: they all boot like they're supposed to
07:15 PM rue_mohr: hardware configuration
07:15 PM Tom_L: just that windows 16bit shell stuff doesn't
07:16 PM rue_mohr: yea
07:16 PM Tom_L: i've done the bios boot thing for a long time with no issues going from 32 to 64 bit windows
07:16 PM rue_mohr: I'm guessing the plug and play moved the old drive to a new address that dos cant handle
07:16 PM rue_mohr: in the bios find "reset pnp"
07:17 PM rue_mohr: it'll re-default the plug and play settings it might work on
07:17 PM rue_mohr: ok
07:17 PM Tom_L: rebooting
07:17 PM Tom_L: may need help finding pnp
07:18 PM rue_mohr: advanced -> advanced -> advanced settings -> pnp ->advanced ->reset plug and play
07:18 PM rue_mohr: (this new world is annoying)
07:18 PM Tom_L: what tab could it be under?
07:18 PM rue_mohr: advanced
07:19 PM Tom_L: heh i see no advanced
07:19 PM Tom_L: advanced memory settings
07:19 PM Tom_L: brb
07:19 PM Tom_L: memory boot mode [auto]
07:19 PM rue_mohr: sometimes its under boot configuration
07:20 PM rue_mohr: if the choice is there, say you do not have a pnp OS
07:26 PM Tom_L: just 'other' os beside 8 or 10
07:27 PM Tom_L: don't see anything about pnp
07:29 PM Tom_L: memory enhancement settings 'normal'
07:30 PM Tom_L: what is UEFI?
07:34 PM Tom_L: you think doing a windows 'repair' would help or hinder?
07:35 PM Tom_L: i know (pretty sure) grud did something because when i would boot from the linux disk the other drives would show up in the list
07:40 PM rue_mohr: each drive has a bios mapping number
07:41 PM rue_mohr: I think its made the drive letter not match the number and its hanging the dos software when it tries to access the drive
07:41 PM rue_mohr: sata, right?
07:41 PM Tom_L: yeah
07:42 PM rue_mohr: yea
07:42 PM Tom_L: so is there a fix for that?
07:42 PM Tom_L: do i need to make a backup first?
07:51 PM Tom_L: https://neosmart.net/wiki/easybcd/drive-letters-and-disk-numbers/
07:51 PM Tom_L: ?
07:54 PM Tom_L: i _do not_ want to make this worse so i'm waiting for an answer...
07:59 PM rue_mohr: try this
07:59 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3gbpCFCs04
07:59 PM rue_mohr: move the drive to the first sata connector sata0? and default the bios
07:59 PM rue_mohr: see if it works then
07:59 PM Tom_L: hang on
07:59 PM rue_mohr: its all I can think of
08:00 PM Tom_L: i think it may already be there
08:00 PM Tom_L: no it's on 3 right now
08:00 PM Tom_L: lemme swap it...
08:01 PM Tom_L: ok it's the only drive in it now on 0
08:02 PM Tom_L: nothing
08:02 PM Tom_L: same as before
08:02 PM rue_mohr: did you default the bios after you moved it?
08:02 PM Tom_L: i didn't go into the bios
08:02 PM Tom_L: do i need to?
08:03 PM Tom_L: oh you mean set back to factory defaults?
08:04 PM Tom_L: there's a 'load optimized defaults' option
08:04 PM Tom_L: says to do that after a bios update
08:06 PM Tom_L: nope
08:07 PM rue_mohr: hmm
08:07 PM Tom_L: with the cmd window open trying to exeute a program the cpu is at 25%, was at 40
08:07 PM Tom_L: just sitting there idle
08:07 PM rue_mohr: does dir work?
08:07 PM Tom_L: yes
08:08 PM Tom_L: and i can run a bat file
08:08 PM Tom_L: just won't execute an exe
08:08 PM rue_mohr: hmm
08:08 PM rue_mohr: what is the main drive letter? C?
08:08 PM Tom_L: yes
08:08 PM Tom_L: in cmd too
08:33 PM zhanx: UDFI or UEFI the secure file system option off?
08:35 PM Tom_L: pretty sure it's off
08:35 PM Tom_L: things were fine until i installed debian on a new ssd in the system
08:38 PM Tom_L: would mbr affect this?
08:38 PM zhanx: that is why i asked, grub might have overwrote the mbr
08:39 PM rue_mohr: no, cause otherwise it would not have booted
08:39 PM Tom_L: yeah
08:39 PM zhanx: how I install dual boots is always windows last, rue_mohr he swapped drives tho
08:39 PM Tom_L: never seen this one before
08:39 PM zhanx: not sure if the old drive had an mbr on it
08:40 PM Tom_L: the windows drive ran by itself for a long time
08:40 PM Tom_L: i decided to add debian on that pc on a new hdd
08:40 PM Tom_L: to test stuff
08:40 PM zhanx: ok and was that pulled for the new install?
08:40 PM rue_mohr: modern windows does stupid things to drive lettering and mapping
08:40 PM Tom_L: no i left the drive in the system
08:40 PM rue_mohr: are you sure the main drive was C and not D when you starteD?
08:40 PM Tom_L: but installed grub to the debian drive
08:41 PM zhanx: can you boot the debian drive
08:41 PM Tom_L: yes
08:41 PM Tom_L: it's not in the pc right now though
08:41 PM zhanx: if so boot that with the windows drive in and check the number of partitions on the windows drive
08:41 PM Tom_L: do what now?
08:42 PM zhanx: toss in the new ssd and boot from it with the windows drive in
08:42 PM Tom_L: boot in linux with both drives installed?
08:42 PM zhanx: yes
08:42 PM zhanx: I will walk you through checking the windows drive under linux
08:42 PM Tom_L: hang on
08:43 PM zhanx: for dear life!
08:44 PM zhanx: just got home from helping at my buddies sugar shack, 5 gallon of syrup made
08:44 PM Tom_L: ok booting into the debian ssd
08:44 PM Tom_L: ok just a sec and i'll take a pic of the boot screen
08:45 PM zhanx: once its booted check for gparted, if its not installed. sudo apt install gpart
08:45 PM zhanx: k
08:48 PM Tom_L: it's gonna be a big pic cause i can't edit it right now
08:48 PM zhanx: thats fine
08:48 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, consider that the linux install did not do anything
08:49 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, we can check 2 things to verify that
08:49 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/debian9/boot_screen.jpg
08:50 PM Tom_L: the 2 windows are 32 and 64 bit
08:50 PM Tom_L: dunno where the dos one came from but i bet that's the culprit
08:50 PM zhanx: k, you can use LILO to rebuild the mbr if its off
08:50 PM Tom_L: boot in linux or windows?
08:50 PM zhanx: the dos was the recovery part
08:50 PM zhanx: linux
08:51 PM Tom_L: ok i chose the default one there
08:51 PM zhanx: /dev/sda remember that
08:51 PM Tom_L: next?
08:51 PM zhanx: open a terminal
08:52 PM Tom_L: sudo it?
08:52 PM zhanx: try gparted
08:52 PM zhanx: it should asked you for a password
08:52 PM Tom_L: not found
08:52 PM zhanx: sudo apt install gparted
08:53 PM Tom_L: done
08:53 PM zhanx: while your at it
08:53 PM zhanx: sudo apt-get install lilo
08:53 PM zhanx: open gparted and check the flags on the sda for boot
08:53 PM Tom_L: it seems to be your first LILO installation
08:54 PM zhanx: it is
08:54 PM Tom_L: it is absolutely necessary to run liloconfig(8) when you complete this process and execute /sbin/lilo after this.
08:54 PM Tom_L: lilo won't work if you don't do this
08:54 PM zhanx: sudo lilo -M /dev/sda mbr is the command to after that
08:55 PM Tom_L: do i need to do all that ^^^
08:55 PM zhanx: yes follow the instruction they gave you then my command
08:55 PM Tom_L: should i do that without the windows drive there?
08:56 PM zhanx: no it needs to be in there
08:56 PM Tom_L: ok hang on
08:56 PM zhanx: issue is wether sda or sdc was the orginal master drive
08:57 PM Tom_dev: running: liloconfig(8)
08:57 PM Tom_dev: correct?
08:57 PM zhanx: i am thinking sda as sdc2 should be the recovery for the 64 bit system
08:57 PM zhanx: yep
08:57 PM Tom_L: unexpected token 8
08:57 PM zhanx: it generates you system config file
08:58 PM zhanx: try just this /sbin/lilo
08:58 PM zhanx: wiat
08:58 PM Tom_dev: root@stretch:/home/tom# /sbin/lilo
08:58 PM Tom_dev: Warning: /dev/disk/by-id/ata-Samsung_SSD_860_EVO_500GB_S3Z1NB0M275006P is not on the first disk
08:58 PM Tom_dev: Added Linux + *
08:58 PM Tom_dev: Added Linux_Old +
08:58 PM Tom_dev: One warning was issued.
08:58 PM zhanx: lilconfig
08:58 PM Tom_L: the 860 is the debian drive
08:59 PM zhanx: ok that is fine
08:59 PM Tom_dev: i did liloconfig
08:59 PM zhanx: ok now
08:59 PM zhanx: sudo lilo -M /dev/sda mbr
08:59 PM zhanx: then sudo reboot -n if no errors
09:00 PM Tom_dev: oot@stretch:/home/tom# lilo -M /dev/sda mbr
09:00 PM Tom_dev: Backup copy of /dev/sda in /boot/boot.0800
09:00 PM Tom_dev: The Master Boot Record of /dev/sda has been updated.
09:00 PM zhanx: ok all good
09:00 PM Tom_L: try booting windows now?
09:00 PM zhanx: yep
09:00 PM Tom_L: and remove the debian ssd
09:00 PM zhanx: no
09:00 PM zhanx: why
09:01 PM Tom_L: i'm not gonna leave it in there if it's gonna cause these kind of issues
09:01 PM zhanx: k
09:01 PM Tom_L: it's not that important
09:01 PM Tom_L: the other _is_ important
09:01 PM Tom_L: hang on
09:02 PM Tom_L: i might have to do this with the other ssd (64bit) if this fixes it
09:03 PM Tom_L: still doesn't work
09:03 PM zhanx: screen shot?
09:03 PM rue_mohr: the origional drive boots, right?
09:03 PM Tom_L: windows boots yes but no cmd files execute
09:03 PM rue_mohr: yea
09:04 PM Tom_L: bat files will run and i can do dir
09:04 PM zhanx: does it show the windows logo?
09:04 PM Tom_L: etc
09:04 PM rue_mohr: aka, its NOT the bootsector
09:04 PM Tom_L: it's booted
09:04 PM rue_mohr: casue it boots
09:04 PM rue_mohr: I'm sayin its the bios drive mapping
09:04 PM Tom_L: windows is up and working just no 16 bit dos programs
09:04 PM rue_mohr: C: is not 0x80
09:04 PM zhanx: oh
09:04 PM rue_mohr: but it might have not been installed that way
09:04 PM rue_mohr: your moving drives around changed mapping
09:05 PM rue_mohr: nothing to do with the linux install
09:05 PM Tom_L: that install triggered it
09:05 PM Tom_L: cause it worked fine up until then
09:05 PM rue_mohr: no
09:05 PM rue_mohr: your changing drives around did it
09:06 PM zhanx: tom manually fine the program you are trying to run
09:06 PM rue_mohr: there is a bios address for a drive
09:06 PM Tom_L: maybe but i'm saying it worked ok until this
09:06 PM Tom_L: i believe you
09:06 PM rue_mohr: its the only thing I can think of that could doof dos
09:06 PM Tom_L: i'm just stating what happened
09:06 PM zhanx: or screen shot me some data
09:06 PM rue_mohr: beacuse in the dos days c: was ALWAYS 0x80
09:06 PM Tom_L: i know what you're saying
09:07 PM zhanx: or somehow the windows 7 compatibility got messed up so its not sure how to run the old dos programs
09:08 PM Tom_L: running the setup disk probably wouldn't fix that would it?
09:09 PM zhanx: Tom_L, i am having trouble understanding what is not working
09:09 PM Tom_L: what's the best way to make a clone of the drive?
09:09 PM Tom_L: zhanx all my windows programs work
09:09 PM Tom_L: when i go to a dos cmd window those don't
09:09 PM zhanx: ok
09:09 PM zhanx: That is an easy fix
09:09 PM Tom_L: i can do a 'dir' and run bat files
09:09 PM Tom_L: but
09:09 PM Tom_L: no .exe will run
09:10 PM rue_mohr: if dos is trying to access drives by the bios number, and windows/bios futzed the mapping because of the prescence of the other drive, then thats the issue
09:10 PM rue_mohr: will any of the exe supplied with dos work?
09:10 PM Tom_L: before i do anything rash i would like to clone the drive
09:10 PM Tom_L: any suggestions?
09:10 PM Tom_L: my ghost won't work on these
09:10 PM zhanx: Tom_L, windows key+Z
09:11 PM zhanx: eer X not Z
09:11 PM rue_mohr: the origional sata drive, what port was it in?
09:11 PM Tom_L: do what????
09:11 PM rue_mohr: origionally?
09:11 PM Tom_L: i can't say for sure
09:11 PM rue_mohr: yea, you might need to have it back in the same port it was in
09:11 PM Tom_L: well it wasn't 0 then
09:11 PM zhanx: Tom_L, you can always use the debian install to back up the windows drives
09:12 PM Tom_L: i'm listening
09:12 PM Tom_L: i have a spare drive to back up to
09:12 PM zhanx: if you want you can DD the drive
09:12 PM zhanx: or use a backup utility
09:13 PM Tom_L: see, i did mount the windows drive a couple times in linux to look at some docs
09:13 PM Tom_L: would that affect anything?
09:13 PM rue_mohr: wont matter
09:13 PM rue_mohr: it didn't modify anything
09:14 PM rue_mohr: bios/os mapping, I'm sure of it
09:14 PM Tom_L: ok, i'll try the other 3 ports first and see just for kicks
09:14 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, is right
09:14 PM Tom_L: ^^^ will that do anything?
09:14 PM rue_mohr: but I'd like to know why your program is using drive number instead of letter
09:14 PM rue_mohr: it depends which smart system changes what when you move the drive around
09:15 PM Tom_L: would all the drives in the system need to be there or just the one in question?
09:15 PM zhanx: all the orginal
09:15 PM rue_mohr: so the bios assignes a number to each give
09:15 PM rue_mohr: drive
09:15 PM rue_mohr: usually c: is 80, D is 81, etc
09:15 PM rue_mohr: but windows makes a mess of that, it does all sorts of funkey cross mapping with devices
09:16 PM rue_mohr: if you have a drive in sata port 1 when you install, C: will be 81
09:16 PM rue_mohr: (opposed to port 0)
09:16 PM Tom_L: i KNOW that 2 was always the cdrom
09:16 PM zhanx: tom open regedit for me
09:16 PM rue_mohr: and if everything is installed and configured like that, it'll be fine until another drive appears and the bios changes its numbering
09:17 PM zhanx: tell me the value of HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.exe
09:17 PM Tom_L: i'm nearly positive it wasn't in 1 but i'm testing it next
09:18 PM Tom_L: zhanx where do i find that
09:18 PM zhanx: when you run regedit it will have a tree
09:19 PM Tom_L: yep
09:19 PM Tom_L: funny regedit works from the cmd window
09:19 PM zhanx: open another and try your command
09:20 PM Tom_L: all it says is 'default'
09:20 PM zhanx: ok
09:20 PM zhanx: we could modify that but lets wait
09:20 PM zhanx: check exefile
09:21 PM Tom_L: where's that?
09:21 PM zhanx: should be close to exe
09:21 PM Tom_L: not there
09:22 PM zhanx: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\exefile <- is not there?
09:22 PM zhanx: cause KEY_CLASSES_ROOT\exefile\shell\open is the bs windows reg launching files
09:22 PM Tom_L: i don't see it no
09:23 PM zhanx: ok, might be that
09:23 PM zhanx: open another command prompt and run the program that wouldn't start before
09:23 PM Tom_L: can i search for that?
09:23 PM zhanx: you can
09:23 PM Tom_L: nothing runs in the 2nd window
09:24 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, do you remember the windows path command?
09:24 PM Tom_L: i may have a backup registry but it would be old
09:24 PM zhanx: well save this one as a backup before we edit it
09:24 PM Tom_L: i don't see where to search
09:25 PM Tom_L: yeah the last one was 4/10/2015
09:25 PM zhanx: ctl-f that is like the default search for windows
09:25 PM Tom_L: ok registry.reg 4/6/2019
09:26 PM zhanx: ok
09:26 PM zhanx: we need to go back to HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\.exe
09:26 PM zhanx: wait did you notice the . on the exe and not the exefile
09:27 PM Tom_L: search for 'exefile' always lands on .exe
09:27 PM Tom_L: i didn't find exefile
09:27 PM Tom_L: i did find .exe
09:27 PM zhanx: k
09:27 PM zhanx: make a new key under CLASSES_ROOT with the name exefile
09:28 PM zhanx: and modify the data to be "%1" %*
09:28 PM Tom_L: HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT?
09:28 PM zhanx: yep
09:28 PM zhanx: its weird its not there
09:29 PM zhanx: then make this KEY_CLASSES_ROOT\exefile\shell\open
09:29 PM zhanx: and modify the data to be "%1" %*
09:29 PM Tom_L: cannot rename the new entry exefile the specified key name already exhists
09:29 PM zhanx: ok you need to find it
09:29 PM Tom_L: deleted the new key
09:30 PM Tom_L: ok i did find it
09:30 PM zhanx: Tom_L, we are just checking right now to make sure the registry didn't point to a drive drive to execute files
09:31 PM Tom_L: everything under it shows default
09:31 PM zhanx: k
09:31 PM Tom_L: 'EdifFlags' and 'FriendlyTypeName'
09:32 PM Tom_L: and (Default) above those
09:32 PM zhanx: your reg is fine
09:32 PM zhanx: open a file window
09:32 PM zhanx: locate the file you are trying to run
09:32 PM Tom_L: explorer?
09:32 PM Tom_L: or dos shell
09:33 PM zhanx: yea, explorer i forgot the name of it
09:33 PM Tom_L: ok
09:34 PM zhanx: right click and compatibility option is in there somewhere, since you said its 16 bit
09:35 PM Tom_L: run in compatibility mode?
09:35 PM Tom_L: under properties/
09:35 PM Tom_L: ?
09:35 PM zhanx: yep try that
09:35 PM Tom_L: no dos options
09:35 PM zhanx: hmmm
09:35 PM zhanx: are you under 64 bit or 32 bit?
09:36 PM Tom_L: 32
09:36 PM Tom_L: it wouldn't run on 64 at all
09:36 PM zhanx: drive order then, based off the boot screen shot is still off
09:36 PM zhanx: really?
09:37 PM Tom_L: no, it's 16bit
09:37 PM zhanx: ok let backup your data first
09:37 PM rue_mohr: not keys I'm familiar with
09:37 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, those are mapping keys for exe under dos for old programs that sometimes installers use
09:38 PM rue_mohr: but its an old exe program
09:38 PM zhanx: under a new os
09:38 PM rue_mohr: I think its accessing the drive by the bios number of the drive when the install was done
09:38 PM zhanx: if you more than one version of dos you can map them to it
09:39 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, you didn't upgrade the origional drive from 32 to 64 tho did you?
09:39 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, checking those keys means it was not mapped in the register is all
09:39 PM rue_mohr: you just moved the drives around and installed linux on a different one
09:39 PM Tom_L: no
09:39 PM rue_mohr: which broke the drive-letter:bios-number mapping from what it was when the program was insalled
09:40 PM Tom_L: both windows drives were installs. one as 32 and one as 64
09:40 PM rue_mohr: well if you upgraded windows to 64 bit, its not gonna work
09:40 PM zhanx: Tom_L, you have to remember 64 bit makes its own tiny boot drive
09:41 PM rue_mohr: 64 bit sets the processor into 64bit mode, aka 32 bit stuff wont work
09:41 PM rue_mohr: aka dos
09:41 PM Tom_L: but would running the windows fix disk work or make it worse?
09:41 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, if we set the sdc as the mbr it might fix it
09:41 PM zhanx: worse right now tom
09:42 PM Tom_L: i want to make a backup next before anything else and boot from it once
09:42 PM zhanx: Tom_L, which was the first installed on the system 32 or 64 bit?
09:42 PM Tom_L: just a sec
09:43 PM zhanx: then we can DD the windows 32 bit drive from debain to your back up drive
09:44 PM zhanx: i perfer to clone with dd but rue_mohr might have other options
09:46 PM Tom_L: ok here's how i _think_ it was originally and i'm pretty sure it's right...
09:46 PM Tom_L: 0 - win7 64bit 1 - Data Drive(no boot) 2 - CD 3 - win7 32bit
09:47 PM zhanx: ok
09:47 PM Tom_L: and when i did the debian install i removed the (1)data drive
09:47 PM Tom_L: and i think i put it there
09:47 PM Tom_L: but i'm not positive
09:48 PM Tom_L: right now i think i got things back where they originally were (all windows)
09:48 PM zhanx: k
09:48 PM Tom_L: booting
09:48 PM Tom_L: (i've got a pile of drives)
09:48 PM zhanx: is the backup drive larger than the other drives or same sizes?
09:48 PM zhanx: smaller is a pain to clone is all
09:49 PM Tom_L: ok it booted in win 64 so lemme change the bios to boot win 32
09:49 PM Tom_L: same i'm pretty sure
09:51 PM zhanx: when your ready toss in the debian drive the first drive to backup and new backup drive
09:51 PM zhanx: then we will start the clone process
09:51 PM Tom_L: pretty sure the 32 is 500g and so is the spare drive
09:52 PM Tom_L: i also have noticed my mouse doing some odd things lately
09:52 PM zhanx: wait on the spare drive for one boot, lets make sure we have this right the first time as i am not there to see it
09:53 PM Tom_L: ok booted the 32bit and the cmd still doesn't work
09:53 PM zhanx: k backup time
09:53 PM Tom_L: but i can see all 3 drives
09:53 PM Tom_L: as normal
09:53 PM Tom_L: i will have to remove one to do this backup
09:53 PM Tom_L: right now they are as shown above
09:54 PM zhanx: yep and we will get the drive id's to make sure everthing goes well
09:54 PM zhanx: first is debian and 32 bit drive
09:54 PM zhanx: we will list the drives and get a pic of the id's
09:54 PM Tom_L: what about clonezilla?
09:54 PM zhanx: never used it
09:55 PM zhanx: only reason i am doing this the long way as i am not at the keyboard of the pc
09:55 PM Tom_L: i realize that
09:55 PM Tom_L: i used to use ghost but it won't work on my newer systems now
09:56 PM Tom_L: unless i can find a cd driver and re'burn the bootable cd
09:56 PM zhanx: once debian is booted, open a terminal and sudo fdisk -l
09:56 PM zhanx: that will give you the drives and partitions etc you need a photo of
09:56 PM Tom_L: just a sec
09:57 PM zhanx: once i see it i can build your command
09:57 PM Tom_L: i used a windows one a couple times but i can't seem to find it right now
09:57 PM Tom_L: gimme a sec
09:57 PM Tom_L: i'm pulling a zhanx / rue thing here
09:57 PM zhanx: yep
09:58 PM Tom_L: aomei may have been one
09:59 PM zhanx: you in debian yet?
09:59 PM Tom_L: not yet
10:04 PM zhanx: ?
10:04 PM Tom_L: gimme a sec
10:09 PM zhanx: Tom_L, ping me when your ready
10:09 PM Tom_L: i'm cloning the drive
10:09 PM Tom_L: ok
10:09 PM zhanx: oh i though you needed help with that
10:10 PM Tom_L: i'd rather use a method i've used already
10:10 PM zhanx: k
10:10 PM zhanx: if that fails let me know
10:10 PM zhanx: I think i have a trick or too
10:21 PM Tom_L: ok it's copying the drive
10:21 PM Tom_L: i had to find it
10:23 PM Tom_L: probably gonna take a bit
10:23 PM zhanx: just a bit
10:23 PM Tom_L: 10%
10:24 PM Tom_L: you wouldn't believe what started this whole thing
10:24 PM zhanx: i was late to the party and didn't see the why
10:24 PM Tom_L: i didn't tell the why
10:25 PM zhanx: k, just figured i missed it
10:25 PM Tom_L: on my NT4/dos box booting dos, my check register didn't balance with the bank
10:25 PM Tom_L: so i was gonna copy it over and run it on the windows 7 box to fix it
10:25 PM Tom_L: but it wouldn't run
10:26 PM Tom_L: so all because of a bank statement
10:26 PM zhanx: you do realize it would have ran under wine on debain
10:26 PM Tom_L: which still needs to be fixed
10:27 PM Tom_L: it's off due to a returned check from a client that got subtracted from a deposit
10:27 PM Tom_L: which i collected but aparently after the last reconcile
10:28 PM Tom_L: so if i make the register balance with the bank, the reconcile is off and vise versa
10:28 PM Tom_L: so i gotta go back to january 1 and start over and find it
10:29 PM Tom_L: but fixing this takes priority
10:29 PM zhanx: you made your own rabbit hole
10:30 PM Tom_L: so 2 series of events put me here
10:30 PM zhanx: i would poke fun, but really i got nothing, i have done stuff like that before
10:32 PM Tom_L: the bank thing was kindof out of my hands since i wasn't aware of it until after i reconciled and then got a notice from the bank
10:32 PM zhanx: i would have added refund etc
10:32 PM Tom_L: so i gotta go back and see what they did and fix it then reconcile all over
10:32 PM Tom_L: i probably did
10:32 PM zhanx: once we get it running again
10:32 PM Tom_L: the sequence of events is what made it go bonkers
10:33 PM Tom_L: 57%
10:34 PM Tom_L: the drive clone i had was 64bit so i had to find it and go get the 32bit ver was what took so long
10:38 PM Tom_L: 80%
10:47 PM Tom_L: ok drive cloned including the problem :)
10:49 PM Tom_L: zhanx now what?
10:49 PM zhanx: clone the next one
10:49 PM Tom_L: what next one?
10:49 PM zhanx: the 32 bit one
10:49 PM Tom_L: i did
10:49 PM zhanx: so both 64 and 32 are done
10:49 PM Tom_L: no i just did the 32
10:49 PM zhanx: k
10:50 PM Tom_L: the 64 is a tb and i don't have a spare of that
10:50 PM zhanx: restore point of the 32
10:50 PM Tom_L: 32 is all that's attached atm
10:50 PM zhanx: you need to pulled the power like 3 times during boot
10:51 PM zhanx: then it will go to a recovery mode
10:51 PM Tom_L: while it's booting?
10:51 PM zhanx: yep
10:51 PM Tom_L: sounds dangerous
10:51 PM zhanx: soon as you see the windows logo pull the plug
10:51 PM Tom_L: on the ssd
10:51 PM zhanx: 3 times and it goes to a recovery boot
10:52 PM Tom_L: then what?
10:52 PM zhanx: check for the last restore point
10:52 PM Tom_L: how?
10:52 PM zhanx: you will see it
10:53 PM Tom_L: will pulling the sata cable do the same thing?
10:53 PM zhanx: no
10:53 PM Tom_L: the plug is tight is why i asked
10:53 PM zhanx: well toggle the power strip
10:56 PM Tom_L: let it try to boot the 4th time?
10:56 PM zhanx: yep
10:56 PM zhanx: it should give you a menu
10:56 PM Tom_L: booted just fine
10:57 PM zhanx: weird the recovery mode for windows 7 takes 3 quick power disconnect boots
10:57 PM Tom_L: i'll try it again
10:58 PM zhanx: your ssd might be fast so pull it as soon as the logo is up
11:00 PM Tom_L: still booted fine
11:00 PM Tom_L: soon as i saw windows i pulled power
11:00 PM Tom_L: even before the square logo
11:00 PM zhanx: recovery disk?
11:00 PM Tom_L: i have the install disk
11:01 PM Tom_L: i didn't make a recovery
11:01 PM zhanx: ok reboot, after the bios pound the f8 key
11:01 PM zhanx: see if that gives you the menu
11:02 PM zhanx: not sure if f8 works on 7
11:04 PM Tom_L: yeah
11:04 PM Tom_L: safe mode
11:04 PM Tom_L: whole list of things
11:04 PM zhanx: repair options
11:06 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/debian9/boot_options.jpg
11:08 PM zhanx: last known
11:08 PM zhanx: well
11:08 PM zhanx: wait
11:08 PM Tom_L: too late
11:09 PM zhanx: ok see if that gives you a restore option
11:09 PM Tom_L: it just booted
11:09 PM zhanx: open a command prompt
11:09 PM Tom_L: yeah
11:10 PM Tom_L: still broke
11:10 PM zhanx: rstruie.exe
11:10 PM zhanx: rstrui.exe
11:10 PM Tom_L: ok
11:11 PM Tom_L: now what?
11:11 PM zhanx: is there a restore point?
11:11 PM Tom_L: a windows box came up
11:11 PM Tom_L: system protection it turned off
11:12 PM Tom_L: to turn it back on....
11:12 PM zhanx: not sure what you mean
11:14 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/debian9/restore_point.jpg
11:15 PM zhanx: Tom_L, at this point you have all the data backup up, you never had restore points on
11:15 PM zhanx: so reinstall
11:15 PM Tom_L: saving what's already installed?
11:16 PM zhanx: if you have oem disks they will give you a repair option also
11:16 PM Tom_L: i do
11:16 PM Tom_L: well it's ms disks
11:17 PM Tom_L: i figured it would come to this
11:17 PM zhanx: next time turn on repair options
11:31 PM Tom_L: startup repair could not detect a problem