#garfield Logs

Mar 08 2019

12:21 AM zhanx: rue_mohr, why does smooth the pings suck so bad for distance
12:48 AM rue_mohr: ?
12:48 AM rue_mohr: hu?
08:52 PM zhanx: new soldering iron showed up to play with
08:53 PM zhanx: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07BLK7D49
10:27 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, you alive?
10:27 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, does it seem to have ok temp control?
10:28 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, seems is the word
10:28 PM zhanx: still playing with it
10:30 PM rue_mohr: cat in, cat out, cat in , cat out
10:52 PM Tom_L: i am alive
10:52 PM rue_mohr: hows the computer, did you do anything with it?
10:52 PM Tom_L: all done
10:53 PM rue_mohr: which path you take?
10:53 PM Tom_L: new install
10:53 PM rue_mohr: its hard to transfer the newer systems
10:54 PM Tom_L: 2.8 offers a couple more drill cycles i was interested in
10:55 PM Tom_L: the update changes the config file though
10:55 PM Tom_L: from axis to joints
10:55 PM zhanx: well rue_mohr its not the greatest iron, but it let me fix a tablet with a bad connector
10:55 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, want to make a hakko 936?
10:56 PM zhanx: i would love another hakko
10:56 PM rue_mohr: pens: available
10:56 PM rue_mohr: controllers: available
10:56 PM rue_mohr: 24vac power supply: well, can ya?
10:56 PM zhanx: i can
10:57 PM rue_mohr: mine is from a hospital bed controll box
10:57 PM zhanx: mine is a variable 24-48 vac 4a from the lab i got
10:58 PM rue_mohr: hey, hows your printer?
10:58 PM zhanx: 240x250x150
10:59 PM zhanx: sorry read that as how big
10:59 PM zhanx: its fine
10:59 PM rue_mohr: I should send you a camera
11:00 PM zhanx: i did post pics before did you miss them?
11:00 PM rue_mohr: I think you posted pics before it was done
11:00 PM rue_mohr: I dont think I'v seen images of it up and running
11:01 PM rue_mohr: there were no pics of you building it
11:01 PM zhanx: i remove the y axis clothes pin and have a proper setup on that now
11:01 PM zhanx: i'll take more tomorrow then, the wife is a sleep and kids are sick. so turning on the lights etc will not be a good thing
11:01 PM rue_mohr: are kids always sick?
11:02 PM zhanx: seems like it
11:02 PM zhanx: they got flu shoot boosters wed, and today they are sick again
11:04 PM Tom_L: also running 2.8 on debian 9 lets you do things like this now: https://qtpyvcp.kcjengr.com/showcase/mill_vcps.html
11:06 PM zhanx: tablet charging, nice
11:06 PM zhanx: its an old samsung note 2 and it still works
11:07 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, looks like its gettin pretty complex
11:07 PM rue_mohr: I wonder if they will fork a simple version
11:08 PM zhanx: Tom_L, this tablet will run debian
11:08 PM Tom_L: they've needed a better gui for quite a while
11:08 PM rue_mohr: gui is brutal
11:08 PM rue_mohr: it seems all the libraries dont work
11:08 PM rue_mohr: fgfff keyboard!!!!
11:08 PM rue_mohr: damnit I need to make a keybaord
11:08 PM zhanx: you do
11:08 PM Tom_L: handfull of guys have been working feverishly on this for a while
11:09 PM zhanx: want the files to print the keys rue?
11:09 PM rue_mohr: no
11:09 PM rue_mohr: I need to make a huge set of levers
11:09 PM rue_mohr: sliding systems DO NOT WORK
11:10 PM rue_mohr: I need some hints from a typewriter
11:10 PM zhanx: i found an openscad file for keys so you can customize them and build a custom keyboard
11:10 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKnQU4dJ1-M&feature=youtu.be
11:10 PM rue_mohr: where to put the fulfrum pins
11:10 PM zhanx: my switches will be here soon
11:10 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, deeper
11:10 PM rue_mohr: deeeeeper
11:10 PM rue_mohr: I dont care about keycaps
11:10 PM zhanx: no WIDER
11:11 PM zhanx: to fit my hands
11:11 PM rue_mohr: I need to make a set of levers for actuating them like a typewriter
11:11 PM zhanx: oh to slow you down?
11:11 PM rue_mohr: not stupid little sliding switches that wear out and jamb
11:11 PM rue_mohr: levers, not sliders
11:12 PM rue_mohr: the sliders are always the failure in keybaords
11:12 PM rue_mohr: jamnbie keys
11:12 PM zhanx: so you are gonna reinvent it
11:12 PM rue_mohr: that doesn't happen if the motion of the key is from a lever rotating on a pin
11:12 PM rue_mohr: no, I'm gonna rollback the desgin
11:12 PM rue_mohr: but with switches
11:13 PM zhanx: i have a typewritter from 1905
11:13 PM zhanx: its a traveling one
11:13 PM rue_mohr: well take me pictures!
11:13 PM zhanx: noted you will have a ton sent to you
11:13 PM rue_mohr: I need to know where they put the fulcrums
11:13 PM zhanx: k
11:14 PM zhanx: brb
11:14 PM Tom_L: machinekit is the 'forked simple version' that runs on bbb iirc or RPi
11:14 PM rue_mohr: heh
11:14 PM rue_mohr: k
11:15 PM Tom_L: http://www.machinekit.io/about/
11:17 PM zhanx: rue_mohr, emailing so you can say you need better ones
11:17 PM rue_mohr: sure
11:18 PM zhanx: but, it should give you an idea
11:18 PM * zhanx just bought that also
11:18 PM zhanx: today even
11:19 PM zhanx: ok you should have it
11:20 PM rue_mohr: :) wrong layer
11:20 PM rue_mohr: each key has a lever to a rotation point
11:20 PM zhanx: yep i need to take the cover off, but in one photo, one lever is up
11:21 PM rue_mohr: all the straight levers that come off the keys
11:21 PM rue_mohr: they are what I need to kinda copy
11:21 PM zhanx: either way, i bought it oddly enough and now you have this
11:22 PM rue_mohr: I been chewing away on this for years
11:22 PM zhanx: i bought it for the keycaps
11:22 PM rue_mohr: I just cant get ahold of a typewriter to base it on
11:22 PM rue_mohr: heh
11:22 PM zhanx: weighs like 30 pounds, sending it would cost
11:23 PM rue_mohr: na if I know where that pin is, I could sketch in the rest
11:23 PM rue_mohr: upper-case.... ahhahahahahahaha
11:24 PM rue_mohr: moving the case up, to get a capital letter
11:24 PM rue_mohr: caps-lock capitals-lock
11:24 PM zhanx: like i said its a traveling one
11:25 PM rue_mohr: how thick is the metal off the keys? 1/16?
11:26 PM zhanx: the keys are like 1/8, the metal i will mic out
11:29 PM zhanx: 1.87 - 1.92mm for the metal levers for the keys, 1.39-1.44mm for the strikers for the letters
11:29 PM zhanx: sample of 9
11:29 PM rue_mohr: 2mm!
11:29 PM rue_mohr: ok, way thicker than I thought
11:30 PM zhanx: iron not steel also
11:31 PM rue_mohr: they prolly hardened it?
11:31 PM zhanx: that i don't know till i open it up
11:31 PM zhanx: its WELL oiled
11:31 PM rue_mohr: :/
11:31 PM rue_mohr: see if you can get a shot where that first fulcrum is from the keys!
11:32 PM zhanx: i did
11:32 PM rue_mohr: zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz this keyboard has 4mm key stroke
11:32 PM zhanx: that one pic with the gap in the strikers, till i take the covers off looks like the frist one
11:34 PM rue_mohr: hmm spring information would be nice too
11:34 PM zhanx: now you want me to tear it down
11:34 PM rue_mohr: iirc, its part of the linkage to the hammer?
11:34 PM zhanx: yes
11:34 PM rue_mohr: just where
11:34 PM rue_mohr: k
11:35 PM zhanx: ok tomorrow, in better light i will take the covers off
11:36 PM zhanx: did i buy this for rue now?
11:36 PM rue_mohr: the fulcrum must be set far enough back to make the keys not seem to rotate as you hit them
11:36 PM rue_mohr: hey approx how far down does a key go to fully enguage the hammer?
11:36 PM rue_mohr: ooo, what if I use parallel levers?
11:36 PM zhanx: about
11:36 PM zhanx: goes to measure
11:39 PM zhanx: 10 mm almost and its a double fulcrum
11:39 PM rue_mohr: 10mm ok, I thought it was a lot
11:39 PM rue_mohr: ... double fulcrum?
11:40 PM rue_mohr: it rolls across multiple points?
11:40 PM zhanx: 18 mm ish from the strikers going back is another part, i need to open it up to get better pics tomorrow
11:40 PM rue_mohr: cool, I'm getting ideas
11:41 PM zhanx: glad my 5 dollars well spent helps you
11:42 PM zhanx: the space key, caps, and shift are not attached to the rest
11:42 PM rue_mohr: thats the nice thing, I'm just going to microswitches
11:43 PM zhanx: figured as much
11:43 PM zhanx: i have 12 coming for a test keyboard
11:44 PM zhanx: i think 118% based off keycap prints is about the right size for me
11:45 PM zhanx: wife is gonna hate it, i am not gonna label the keys
11:46 PM rue_mohr: https://myoldtypewriter.wordpress.com/category/royal-aristocrat/
11:46 PM rue_mohr: heh
11:56 PM rue_mohr: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/New-Retro-Round-Keycap-Steampunk-Typewriter-USB-Wired-Mechnaical-Gaming-Keyboard-Desktop-Notebook-Keyboard-Double-PCB/32906065781.html
11:56 PM rue_mohr: $100 for a keybaord?
11:56 PM rue_mohr: is this the money spending I was never good at?
11:57 PM zhanx: i would not pay that