#garfield Logs

Oct 28 2018

12:13 AM rue_shop5: ok, that was indeed ugly
12:17 AM rue_shop5: as the nozzel overheated, it pushed buckled plastic further and further up the extruder
12:17 AM rue_shop5: had to pull it completely apart
12:19 AM rue_shop5: I suppose that would be another benifit of water cooling
12:19 AM rue_shop5: it just wouldn't be able to overheat that bad
03:22 PM Tom_L: rue_mohr, i can take an old keyboard and change the plug to PS2 with no problem right?
03:22 PM Tom_L: usb would be a whole other story though right?
04:05 PM rue_mohr: correct
04:06 PM rue_mohr: AT keyboards were the same between the din and the ps2
04:10 PM Tom_L: may try to revive my 2nd northgate but it's missing a couple keys
04:10 PM Tom_L: i forget which one but there was one it didn't have
04:11 PM Tom_L: tilde
04:11 PM Tom_L: ~
04:11 PM Tom_L: kinda needed nowdays
04:12 PM Tom_L: oh wait.. i found it
04:12 PM Tom_L: clear on the other side
04:27 PM Tom_L: is the mouse PS2 the same pinout as the KBD PS2?
04:27 PM Tom_L: i thought i saved some PS2 plugs but i can't find em
04:32 PM Tom_L: hah! i did find an old adapter...
05:10 PM Tom_L: ok key is still broke
05:10 PM Tom_L: tried solder.. no go
05:10 PM Tom_L: 'c'
05:10 PM Tom_L: i suppose i could have left it apart and shorted across to test the switch..
05:11 PM Tom_L: i don't have a spare anyway
05:22 PM rue_mohr: http://www.ist.co.uk/motif/books/vol6A/ch-9.fm.html#560199
05:22 PM rue_mohr: check out this one
05:23 PM __M00N__: checking
05:23 PM rue_mohr: Tom_L, the mouse is almost the same, its got a different data pin
05:25 PM Tom_L: ok so that was a waste of time
05:33 PM rue_mohr: the C key doesn't work?
05:36 PM __M00N__: hu?
05:36 PM __M00N__: oh and cygwin has motif, so im soooooo game!
05:38 PM rue_mohr: ok got the solar posted
05:38 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/housesolar/p1100779.jpg
05:38 PM rue_mohr: getting there....
05:44 PM __M00N__: cute weather head
05:45 PM __M00N__: I have to drop out for a while
05:46 PM rue_mohr: I'm just about to post the motif stuff...
05:46 PM rue_mohr: wtf
05:46 PM rue_mohr: ugh
05:46 PM rue_mohr: I'm sure soemtimes its not worth the effort
05:54 PM Tom_L: yeah, that appears to be the only dead key
06:05 PM rue_mohr: is it a soldered key pcb keybaord?
06:08 PM Tom_L: yes
06:08 PM Tom_L: one of the good ones
06:09 PM rue_mohr: ok
06:09 PM rue_mohr: take a key you dont use off the number pad
06:09 PM rue_mohr: or use the F12 key
06:09 PM rue_mohr: cause nobody uses F12
06:09 PM Tom_L: cad might
06:09 PM rue_mohr: how often you use scroll lock?
06:09 PM Tom_L: i pulled it back out to try a jumper
06:10 PM rue_mohr: I know there is a key there with a good layer of dust, you have to decide
06:10 PM Tom_L: i have other keyboards
06:11 PM rue_mohr: your wasting good equipment
06:11 PM rue_mohr: I know your not using all 104 keys
06:11 PM rue_mohr: its 30 years old, you fix that key, its good for another 30
06:11 PM rue_mohr: nothing can touch that.
06:13 PM Tom_L: hahaha it's the button
06:13 PM rue_mohr: F12
06:13 PM rue_mohr: print screen
06:13 PM rue_mohr: scroll lock
06:13 PM Tom_L: what are the chances of fixing the button?
06:13 PM rue_mohr: - on the number pad
06:13 PM rue_mohr: F9
06:13 PM rue_mohr: tilda
06:13 PM rue_mohr: cmon
06:14 PM Tom_L: i wonder if ebay still has cherry switches
06:16 PM rue_mohr: yea, for like $8 ea
06:16 PM rue_mohr: use a key you NEVER use
06:16 PM rue_mohr: I know there are a few
06:17 PM Tom_L: probably F12 unless i can fix the c
06:18 PM Tom_L: it's a "REAL" pcb and the letters are all copper etched on the back
06:28 PM rue_mohr: its ok, tom, if you move the F12 to the C, it wont still be F12
06:28 PM rue_mohr: :)
06:28 PM rue_mohr: I know what you mean, I have a few
06:29 PM Tom_L: ok i think i can fix it
06:29 PM Tom_L: these are sexy switches
06:29 PM rue_mohr: hmm 1 wire addressable keys...
06:29 PM Tom_L: very easy to service
06:29 PM rue_mohr: I have one from the paper mill, its all hall switches
06:30 PM Tom_L: 2 clips, on on each side and inside is a sexy switch with a minute piece of dust in it
06:30 PM rue_mohr: damnit, I have tape measures everywhere, nowonder there are none left in the shop
06:30 PM Tom_L: now if my fat fingers can get it back together...
06:30 PM * rue_mohr takes 3 tape mesures from his bedroom and 1 from the kitches back to the shop
06:35 PM rue_mohr: ok, that puts the shop up to 5 tape meausres, thats got to be close to all of them
06:36 PM Tom_L: find me an exploded view of an alps switch...
06:36 PM Tom_L: i may have to take another one apart to visualize how it goes together
06:43 PM rue_mohr: heh
06:44 PM rue_mohr: I'v bought a set of microswitches for making a keyboard
06:44 PM rue_mohr: actaully another 50 wouldn't hurt
06:46 PM Tom_L: hah maybe i got it..
06:46 PM Tom_L: and we have liftoff....!!
06:47 PM Tom_L: shall i take it apart and take a pic of it for you?
06:54 PM rue_mohr: :) na
06:54 PM rue_mohr: what brand is it?
06:54 PM Tom_L: alps 'green'
06:55 PM rue_mohr: mm not familiar
06:55 PM Tom_L: https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=17
06:55 PM rue_mohr: wait, alps, maybe
06:55 PM Tom_L: soldered back in. pics to come
06:56 PM rue_mohr: I got most of the bricks out of the truck feet gettin kinda cold
06:56 PM rue_mohr: its progress
07:01 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Omnikey_key/alps1.jpg
07:01 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Omnikey_key/alps2.jpg
07:01 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Omnikey_key/alps3.jpg
07:01 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Omnikey_key/alps4.jpg
07:02 PM rue_mohr: bit of a dirty contact point?
07:02 PM Tom_L: at first i thought the little prongs should touch but no, they're on opposite sides of the blue center
07:02 PM Tom_L: inside the 'wafer' the solder legs are on
07:02 PM Tom_L: that's the actual switch
07:02 PM Tom_L: it will virtually never wear out
07:03 PM rue_mohr: yup
07:04 PM rue_mohr: if I fall asleep in a lazyboy chair, will I wake up with a numb ass?
07:04 PM rue_mohr: seems to happen with the rest of them...
07:04 PM Tom_L: yes
07:04 PM rue_mohr: arg
07:04 PM rue_mohr: damn gravity
07:06 PM Tom_L: one thing i don't remember is why they had an 'AT' and 'XT' switch on the back
07:07 PM rue_mohr: different protocol
07:07 PM rue_mohr: xt wont work on modern machines
07:08 PM rue_mohr: unless its wired up to a parallel port with the right linux kernel module
07:08 PM Tom_L: ok all back together..
07:09 PM Tom_L: woops
07:09 PM Tom_L: i left something inside.. dammit
07:09 PM rue_mohr: its still F12?
07:09 PM Tom_L: i never touched F12
07:09 PM rue_mohr: gonna charge the patient for the missing tools??
07:09 PM Tom_L: i repaired the C
07:09 PM rue_mohr: it can C now?
07:10 PM Tom_L: once i remove the spare parts i'll try it but the meter says it's good
07:12 PM Tom_L: wow i can read all the letters on the keycaps too
07:12 PM Tom_L: i replaced some early on
07:15 PM Tom_itx: oh say can you ccccccc by the dawn's early light....
07:15 PM Tom_itx: yay!
07:15 PM Tom_itx: it's alot noisier that the shitty keyboard that i've been using
07:16 PM rue_mohr: the audio feedback is nice
07:16 PM rue_mohr: like, when I typed that, the ck was missing and I had to look to tell
07:17 PM rue_mohr: I hate gushie keybaords
07:17 PM rue_mohr: and that all anyone makes anymore
07:17 PM rue_mohr: for prices less than $200
07:17 PM rue_mohr: well damn,t eh weekend is prettymuch over
07:17 PM Tom_L: the problem i have typing nowdays is i can't feel the tips of some of my fingers
07:17 PM rue_mohr: frustrated with progesss
07:18 PM Tom_L: hard to find 'home'
07:21 PM Tom_L: those switches are very easy to service
07:22 PM rue_mohr: hmm, so the gui is the interface provided to the user to get them to generate events
07:26 PM Tom_L: do modern bios still have keyboard speedup? this old thing is rather slow to repeat
07:26 PM Tom_L: wait.. it's no worse than this one. just tested it
07:26 PM rue_mohr: dos or linux?
07:26 PM Tom_L: either
07:26 PM Tom_L: windows
07:27 PM rue_mohr: ok, I have a exe for you
07:27 PM rue_mohr: I presume the control panel wont allow you to dial the repeat rate up and turn down the delay?
07:27 PM Tom_L: i think i may have had one of those at one point
07:27 PM Tom_L: i haven't looked
07:29 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/programming/keybb.exe
07:29 PM rue_mohr: use: keybb 5
07:29 PM rue_mohr: will max the repeat rate
07:29 PM rue_mohr: I wrote it :)
07:30 PM rue_mohr: long before I started making program names make sense
07:31 PM rue_mohr: sad its not a .com
07:31 PM rue_mohr: did it do the trick?
07:31 PM rue_mohr: cmon, its a million years old, I want to know
07:32 PM rue_mohr: it was copied to THIS machine back in '97
07:32 PM rue_mohr: it was written quite a few years before that
07:32 PM rue_mohr: :) cmon...
07:32 PM * rue_mohr pokes tom
07:32 PM rue_mohr: dude, your makin it hard to stay awake
07:32 PM rue_mohr: h e l p
07:33 PM * rue_mohr faceplants into the desk
07:40 PM Tom_L: i may have a .com file that does it as well
07:40 PM rue_mohr: did it work?
07:40 PM Tom_L: i dunno, i'd have to do some serious digging to find it
07:41 PM Tom_L: right now i just plopped supper down in front of me
07:41 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/programming/keybb.exe
07:41 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/programming/keybb.exe
07:41 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/programming/keybb.exe
07:41 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/programming/keybb.exe
07:41 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/programming/keybb.exe
07:41 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/programming/keybb.exe
07:41 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/programming/keybb.exe
07:41 PM rue_mohr: ^^^^
07:41 PM Tom_L: i got the first one
07:41 PM rue_mohr: that does that work!?!?!?!
07:41 PM rue_mohr: for ya
07:41 PM Tom_L: where do you run it?
07:41 PM rue_mohr: k, did it work?
07:41 PM rue_mohr: dos shell
07:41 PM Tom_L: will it work after you exit?
07:42 PM rue_mohr: I think it'll set the whole system
07:42 PM rue_mohr: well try it!!!
07:42 PM rue_mohr: I want to know!
07:42 PM rue_mohr: keybb 5
07:43 PM Tom_L: no
07:43 PM rue_mohr: awe..
07:43 PM Tom_L: same rate as before
07:43 PM rue_mohr: did it say "flooring it..."
07:43 PM Tom_L: yes
07:44 PM rue_mohr: huh, it did its thing then, oh well
07:45 PM Tom_L: i thought i had one but i don't see it
07:46 PM Tom_L: too many years have passed to remember
07:47 PM rue_mohr: windows, control panel, keyboard...
07:48 PM Tom_L: yeah i don't see anything in the bios
07:50 PM Tom_L: not there in 7, must be somewhere else
07:51 PM rue_mohr: not the new fake control panel
07:51 PM rue_mohr: the old one you pull up with whatever-it-is.cpl
07:52 PM Tom_L: meh, it's no different than the others. i can deal with it
07:53 PM rue_mohr: "control main.cpl keyboard"
07:53 PM rue_mohr: in dos prompt
07:54 PM Tom_L: https://www.dummies.com/computers/pcs/set-your-keyboards-repeat-delay-and-repeat-rate/
07:56 PM Tom_L: not much help either
07:56 PM rue_mohr: dos prompt "control main.cpl keyboard"
07:58 PM Tom_L: thanks
07:58 PM rue_mohr: heh
07:59 PM Tom_L: but will it stay?
07:59 PM Tom_L: i guess it should
07:59 PM rue_mohr: should
07:59 PM Tom_L: there should be a way to get to that with the gui
08:00 PM rue_mohr: there is, if you know where all the burried, hidden links are
08:00 PM Tom_L: so remember that the next time i ask :D
08:00 PM rue_mohr: and they keep changing them, so I just try to find out what cpl its part of now
08:05 PM Tom_L: ok i fixed a keyboard and set up another MB on a 2nd box so i've got a linuxcnc test ssd and a win7 cad station setup on it now
08:06 PM Tom_L: i just let the bios pick which ssd to boot from
08:06 PM Tom_L: it doesn't change that often
08:06 PM rue_mohr: I gave in to keeping the view window at 800x600 do i dont ahve to deal with resize events
08:07 PM rue_mohr: I'm trying to seperate this software intot eh gui setup and the event handlers
08:08 PM rue_mohr: handles to objects are an issue
08:08 PM rue_mohr: an isue that points out a larger issue with gui managment
08:08 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, you dead or what?
08:12 PM zhanx: eating
08:12 PM Tom_L: machining any parts lately?
08:13 PM rue_mohr: mm that reminds me I need to sit down with your collette sometime
08:13 PM Tom_L: no immediate need really
08:14 PM rue_mohr: na, its supposed to be a break-from house project
08:14 PM Tom_L: any certain pcie ethernet card i should look at?
08:15 PM rue_mohr: they are all overpriced, get a pci one
08:15 PM Tom_itx: https://www.ebay.com/itm/PCIE-PCI-Express-10-100-1000M-PC-Desktop-Gigabit-Ethernet-Lan-Network-Card-AC331/222344652529?epid=18016017906&hash=item33c4c626f1:rk:1:pf:0
08:15 PM Tom_itx: looks as good as any
08:15 PM rue_mohr: you will pay an extra 25% just for it being pcie
08:15 PM Tom_L: for 6 bux?
08:16 PM rue_mohr: does mention w10, rolly wont work on it
08:17 PM Tom_L: i'm not using 10
08:17 PM Tom_L: this is for linux and 7
08:17 PM rue_mohr: good show
08:17 PM Tom_L: just for a test pc really
08:18 PM Tom_L: either that or the MB ethernet will go to a mesa card
08:18 PM Tom_L: since i swapped MB i have no isa slots
08:19 PM rue_mohr: isa isn't a fatal loss
08:20 PM Tom_L: you think linux would have any problem with it?
08:21 PM rue_mohr: I dont think so
08:21 PM rue_mohr: sounds generic
08:21 PM Tom_L: says it will work
08:21 PM rue_mohr: check for a kernel module for it
08:22 PM rue_mohr: sometimes with the china stuff, they expect you to just compile the source code they provide, which usually wont, and isn't ehlpfull
08:22 PM rue_mohr: ok I understand a graphics context now
08:23 PM Tom_L: no leds
08:23 PM Tom_L: says realtek pcie gbe family controller
08:24 PM zhanx: AC331 works out of the box on linux
08:25 PM Tom_L: if i wanna wait i can get it for 3 bux
08:25 PM rue_mohr: no, the stuff from the 11.11 sale will takes MONTHS to actaully arrive because of the mail backup
08:25 PM zhanx: yea the 11.11 sale might make it by xmas
08:26 PM zhanx: some didn't last year
08:26 PM rue_mohr: canada post is going to strike just before 11.11
08:28 PM Tom_L: well for 6 bux i'll try one
08:30 PM Tom_L: huh, the pic shows leds
08:30 PM Tom_L: maybe the guy that reviewed just couldn't see em
08:31 PM rue_mohr: there are a LOT of stupid people
08:32 PM Tom_L: i don't care if it's got lights or not if it works
09:04 PM Tom_L: rue_mohr what sort of interface are you making for your cam?
09:14 PM rue_mohr: motif
09:14 PM Tom_L: but what do you expect it to do?
09:16 PM rue_mohr: right now the goal is to draw the dxf entities and hilight them when you select them in a list
09:20 PM rue_mohr: I'm ripping and tearing to abstract the gui from the goal of the program
10:20 PM furrywolf: well, I'm completely crippled now, but the router table is in my storage unit.
10:22 PM Tom_L: that's the main concern at present though right?
10:22 PM furrywolf: ?
10:23 PM Tom_L: you got the table moved
10:23 PM Tom_L: worth the cost?
10:25 PM ffurrywol: grrr
10:26 PM ffurrywol is now known as furrywolf
10:32 PM furrywolf: "The problem occurs on the Hart eSlate voting machine when voters turn a selection dial and hit the “enter” button simultaneously, according to the state. " yay race conditions and shitty programming.
10:34 PM furrywolf: "the problems reported are the result of “voters hitting a button or using the selection wheel before the screen is finished rendering,”"
10:34 PM furrywolf: lol
10:34 PM Tom_L: shitty programming
10:38 PM furrywolf: I want a new feature on ebay... any time a seller doesn't respond to a best offer and lets it expire, the offer is considered accepted, and the seller is required to honor it.
10:38 PM furrywolf: so fucking sick of waiting two days and nothing happening
10:41 PM rue_mohr: the last problem with the voting machines was the rollover at 16k
10:42 PM rue_mohr: er 32k and rolled over to -32k
10:42 PM rue_mohr: anyhow
10:42 PM furrywolf: lol
10:44 PM rue_mohr: who the hell uses a signed type eh?
11:58 PM __M00N__: sleep