#garfield Logs
Aug 29 2018
#garfield Calendar
12:05 AM * katsmeow wavers gnite
01:01 AM rue_: Tom_L, this machine it not one you can connect a computer to
01:01 AM rue_: its got about 100 relays
01:01 AM rue_: ladder logic
01:02 AM rue_: I dont know what the origional 'programming' board looked like, I'm hoping you have seen one
01:04 AM rue_: its somewhere betwee a treaddle lathe and a machine operated by a 4040
01:04 AM rue_: 4004? anyhow...
05:12 AM Tom_L: get some pics anyway
05:38 AM Tom_L: jt does quite a bit of ladder logic programming i think
05:38 AM Tom_L: industrial
08:54 AM rue_: Tom_L, this is wired ladder logic
08:54 AM rue_: I'm wondering if this thing used a paper tape of some kind
08:56 AM rue_: SEIKI 5D
09:16 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/autolathe1.jpg
09:16 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/autolathe2.jpg
09:16 AM rue_: see the open door to the left of the head, its whats missing, the cable is sitting to its left, cut
09:17 AM rue_: someone took the controller out of it between them buying it and having it delivered
09:25 AM rue_: ok so its probably ~1960
02:16 PM Tom_L: https://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/machinery-for-sale-or-wanted/fs-hitachi-seike-5d-herbert-2-senior-106800/
02:16 PM Tom_L: The 5D IIRC is switch programable.
04:51 PM Tom_L: http://industrialmanuals.com/seiki-m-916.php
06:21 PM Tom_L: so it was probably built before transistor time?
06:22 PM Tom_L: ish
06:22 PM Tom_L: back when we still used slide rules to think
07:06 PM rue_: yea its all realys
07:08 PM rue_: I need to know what the programming baord looked like
07:15 PM rue_: Tom_L, they dont ahve that D model tho
07:35 PM Tom_L: rue_ you're not going to find it
07:43 PM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MORI-SEIKI-D-0204-BU-01-BU4-BU5-PCB-CIRCUIT-BOARDS-2-RELAY-CONTROL-ASSEMBLY/282141414717?hash=item41b0f0553d:g:sggAAOSwaB5Xtcpi
07:43 PM Tom_L: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MORI-SEIKI-D-0204-BU1-SB2-BU3-BU5-CIRCUIT-BOARDS-3-RELAY-CONTROL-ASSEMBLY/282141409123?hash=item41b0f03f63:g:oc4AAOSwHoFXtezQ
07:43 PM Tom_L: those are going to be too new
07:46 PM rue_: waay too new
07:46 PM zhanx: great
07:46 PM zhanx: the ramps board is junk also
07:46 PM rue_: we are definitly not solid state
07:46 PM Tom_L: i know
07:46 PM Tom_L: you won't find it
07:46 PM zhanx: it blinks an led and turns on the extruder fan
07:46 PM rue_: zhanx, the drivers may not have survived
07:46 PM zhanx: but won't move a motor
07:46 PM rue_: but wait
07:47 PM Tom_L: rue_ how invested are you planning to get on this project?
07:47 PM rue_: the ramps board is just a carrier
07:47 PM rue_: do you have any more motor drivers?
07:47 PM rue_: pull all the mtoor drivers, put 1 new one in, say Y
07:47 PM rue_: test just it
07:47 PM zhanx: k
07:47 PM rue_: Tom_L, well, thats the big question
07:48 PM rue_: they say if its too much work, they will take the machine to scrap
07:48 PM Tom_L: it will be too much work
07:48 PM Tom_L: unfortunately information is too scarce for it
07:48 PM rue_: if i could just get a ppic of that programming board i might be able to make it
07:48 PM rue_: yea
07:49 PM Tom_L: unless you plan to trace all the relay functions you're screwed
07:49 PM Tom_L: i know a mesa board would make it work but it would be a job to trace all the wiring
07:49 PM rue_: I have never seen a switch programming baord
07:50 PM Tom_L: me either
07:50 PM rue_: no, the motors are bang-bang
07:50 PM Tom_L: must be before paper tape
07:50 PM rue_: there is no position control
07:50 PM Tom_L: no servos?
07:50 PM rue_: I was wondering if it took a paper roll with holes of some kind
07:50 PM rue_: no, were talking relays
07:50 PM Tom_L: well they all have relays
07:50 PM rue_: you set your stops and switches and set up the cycle
07:50 PM Tom_L: just depends on their functions
07:51 PM rue_: no, I'm talking _100_ relays
07:51 PM Tom_L: i believe you
07:51 PM rue_: signal relays
07:51 PM Tom_L: i've seen plenty of old machines
07:51 PM rue_: little ones
07:51 PM rue_: well, how did switch programming work?
07:51 PM Tom_L: no idea
07:51 PM rue_: the cable to the box is only ~25 conductors
07:51 PM Tom_L: it was before fpga ladder logic i bet
07:52 PM rue_: I dont think it was complex, I just dont know how it worked
07:52 PM Tom_L: err what was that other logic....
07:52 PM rue_: ladder logic, but with relays
07:52 PM Tom_L: jt still programs them some
07:52 PM Tom_L: the eeprom stuff
07:52 PM rue_: hard wired
07:52 PM Tom_L: with ladder
07:52 PM rue_: I told them making the machine work was not the problem, I can make it do any _1_ thing
07:53 PM rue_: making it so they can do whatever they want, that I cant see how to do
07:53 PM Tom_L: whoever sold it knew that was valueable
07:53 PM Tom_L: and rendered the machine useless
07:54 PM Tom_L: the old multi spindle lathes i ran were all cam driven
07:56 PM Tom_L: are the relays 24v?
07:57 PM rue_: I think so
07:57 PM rue_: so, how did you set up the sequence using the cams?
07:58 PM Tom_L: umm, each cross slide had a cam and the main horizontal tool carrier had a cam
07:58 PM Tom_L: all the slides went in at once
07:58 PM rue_: every operation would take a thing to a limit and then advance a cycle programming cam?
07:58 PM rue_: uh
07:58 PM Tom_L: the spindles rotated to each workstation
07:58 PM rue_: all at once?
07:58 PM Tom_L: yes
07:58 PM rue_: omh
07:58 PM Tom_L: you wouldn't wanna be inside when it happened
07:59 PM rue_: setting up must have been insane
07:59 PM Tom_L: took about a day
07:59 PM Tom_L: usually a shift
07:59 PM Tom_L: changing collets, feed tubes, cams & tooling
07:59 PM rue_: and a pile of bogus parts
07:59 PM Tom_L: not really
07:59 PM rue_: while tuning
07:59 PM rue_: oh
07:59 PM Tom_L: we used a single brass bar and usually got pretty close within a few parts
08:00 PM rue_: and that included a hydraulic chuck to advance the material?
08:01 PM Tom_L: cam
08:01 PM Tom_L: nothing hydraulic
08:01 PM rue_: ok, so as part of the cycle it would advance the material for the next peice?
08:02 PM Tom_L: yes
08:02 PM Tom_L: there was a material stop and you set the length there
08:02 PM rue_: wait, its a turret lathe
08:02 PM rue_: wouldn't you set up for cycles with the different tools?
08:03 PM Tom_L: they were form tools
08:03 PM zhanx: 5 blown drivers, and only 2 spares, so i have to order more
08:03 PM rue_: ok, yea
08:03 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebYh1-S7Ayw
08:04 PM Tom_L: that's a model 52
08:04 PM rue_: zhanx, srry, thought such might be the case
08:04 PM Tom_L: i ran 60 61 50 51 52 & 812
08:04 PM zhanx: same here but i was hoping
08:04 PM Tom_L: that gives you a good overview of operation
08:05 PM Tom_L: you can see the feed stop just above the part tray
08:05 PM rue_: ok, but thats like 5 sets of operations in parallel too
08:05 PM Tom_L: 6
08:06 PM Tom_L: or 8
08:06 PM Tom_L: and some had a break on the spindle for any particular station
08:06 PM Tom_L: so you could do cross feed operations like drill tap etc in the side
08:07 PM Tom_L: i was one of the few that had 3 with special operations
08:07 PM Tom_L: one had a pickoff tool and did a slot on the back side of the part as a 2nd operation
08:07 PM zhanx: rue_, today i was trying to trace a wire
08:08 PM rue_: this thing doesn't ahve multiple saddle tools,
08:08 PM Tom_L: i know
08:08 PM zhanx: pita as pins 1 and 2 where not punched down at the port
08:08 PM Tom_L: at first i thought it might have a tool turret but i didn't see one
08:08 PM rue_: you know a network line dosn't work till its been tested?
08:09 PM rue_: its a murphys law thing, if you dont test it, it dosn't work
08:09 PM zhanx: that and if you run 80 drops like that last guy did you should label them
08:10 PM rue_: I require that they not be labeled untill they have passed test
08:10 PM zhanx: they left all the labels for the patch panel on top
08:10 PM zhanx: still in the box
08:10 PM rue_: and blank
08:11 PM zhanx: now every line is labeled, patch port - switch port, etc
08:12 PM Tom_L: http://nova-machinery.com/machinery/1-14-8-spindle-new-britain-812/
08:12 PM rue_: yup
08:12 PM Tom_L: that's the 812... 8 spindle
08:12 PM zhanx: darn it i wanted to print tonight, I am working all day again tomorrow
08:13 PM Tom_L: 8 12' bars about every 1.5 hrs
08:13 PM Tom_L: steel
08:13 PM zhanx: oh side note rue_ I am officially hired by a company
08:13 PM rue_: ok
08:13 PM Tom_L: z, nice
08:13 PM Tom_L: i think...
08:13 PM zhanx: instead of bidding jobs and stuff
08:13 PM zhanx: Tom_L, its a good thing
08:14 PM Tom_L: fewer headaches
08:14 PM zhanx: yep
08:14 PM zhanx: and more steady work
08:16 PM rue_: wonderfull
08:16 PM rue_: slightly less income, more stability, no headache?
08:16 PM zhanx: well closer to what you do rue_
08:16 PM zhanx: so yea
08:17 PM Tom_L: so rue_ when you gonna do sparkie on your own?
08:17 PM zhanx: the more stable income will be nice
08:17 PM Tom_L: when i was young i rented from a guy that was just starting out as a sparkie
08:17 PM Tom_L: now he works in 4-6 states with a huge fleet
08:17 PM zhanx: nice
08:17 PM Tom_L: he said he was gonna do it back then...
08:18 PM Tom_L: working out of an old single car rickety garage
08:18 PM Tom_L: melting copper to make ends meet
08:18 PM zhanx: coming soon, i get to punch down 120 drops on both ends and test them
08:18 PM zhanx: Tom_L, I am evening fixing tv's to help out, granted my VA pay is enough to live on
08:18 PM rue_: I dont want to do a company again
08:19 PM Tom_L: can't say i blame ya really
08:19 PM rue_: 9-5 day job is just fine
08:19 PM zhanx: rue_, but its nice choosing my hours also
08:19 PM Tom_L: you been there quite a while now
08:19 PM rue_: yup
08:21 PM zhanx: Whats crazy is next month will be 1 year for me doing this
08:22 PM Tom_L: machining is a great hobby for me but if i'd have done it for a full time living i would likely hate it now
08:23 PM rue_: yes, the electrical is not close enough to my play to spoil things
08:23 PM Tom_L: i've gotten a variety of experience doing it though
08:23 PM Tom_L: from old to new
08:23 PM zhanx: Tom_L, there are days like today, where i am like if I have to run any more cat5 cable i am quitting
08:23 PM Tom_L: i had one of those today too
08:24 PM zhanx: oh know everyone does, It just sucks most of the time I fixing what some other "professional" fucked up
08:24 PM Tom_L: i get used to that
08:25 PM Tom_L: if they're independent, they can't wait to get to the next job
08:25 PM rue_: my aliexpress shopping has just about died right off, there dosn't seem to be much else I want
08:26 PM Tom_L: if they're working for an independent they're not getting paid enough (in their mind) and could care less
08:26 PM zhanx: Tom_L, which i understand, I bounce from job to job as fast as possible, But I still do the work right.
08:26 PM Tom_L: do it once or do it over.
08:27 PM zhanx: Like today, they had a style of RJ11 wallplate i didn't have on hand, so I stopped and got one to finish the job right.
08:27 PM zhanx: I was surprised people still fax stuff
08:27 PM Tom_L: a few do
08:28 PM zhanx: little mom and pop shop for food, faxes out the specials for the week to the local factories
08:29 PM Tom_L: heh
08:29 PM Tom_L: i didn't really think about it but pagers are still used
08:29 PM zhanx: doing the job right in a small place like that makes sure they call me again
08:30 PM zhanx: heck they still use the for the local vol fire dept
08:31 PM Tom_L: doctors still use them
08:31 PM zhanx: which one day i need to get out to and fix their digital sing
08:31 PM Tom_L: i really thought they were obsolete
08:32 PM zhanx: I "fax" to email. Like everyone else these days to save paper
08:32 PM Tom_L: scan to pdf to email
08:36 PM zhanx: ye[
08:36 PM zhanx: yep
08:36 PM zhanx: we just had hail??!?!??
08:36 PM zhanx: lasted all of 2-3 minutes and its 74 out
08:36 PM Tom_L: good time for a tornado
08:37 PM Tom_L: you probably don't get those
08:37 PM zhanx: nope
08:38 PM zhanx: I am in a depression anyways with 500--600 meter hills all around me
08:38 PM Tom_L: no matter
08:38 PM Tom_L: branson Mo is similar and they got hit hard several years back
08:38 PM Tom_L: they just can't see em comin
09:16 PM katsmeow: bridge porn !!! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/25/The_Iron_Bridge_%28Aerial%29.JPG
09:18 PM furrywolf: hrmm. too weakened with age for vehicle traffic? looks like it's obviously a road bridge, but the end is blocked.
09:18 PM katsmeow: it's olde
09:19 PM katsmeow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Iron_Bridge
09:20 PM Tom_L: we've got a few around here that have been blocked for traffic
09:20 PM katsmeow: Opened in 1781, ...In 1934 it was designated a Scheduled Ancient Monument and closed to vehicular traffic.[1] Tolls for pedestrians were collected until 1950
09:24 PM * furrywolf doesn't trust cast iron anyway
09:26 PM katsmeow: ditto
09:26 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/Bridge.jpg
09:26 PM Tom_L: wood plank top
09:28 PM furrywolf: that looks pedestrian-only. heh.
09:28 PM Tom_L: it is now but wasn't at one time
09:28 PM furrywolf: it's too narrow to be a road bridge, and it's too flimsy to be a rail bridge....
09:28 PM Tom_L: it _was_ a road bridge
09:28 PM katsmeow: very very lighweight
09:29 PM katsmeow: even lighter thani'd build one, even for foot traffic
09:29 PM Tom_L: heh
09:29 PM furrywolf: that looks even narrower than the wooden bridges here...
09:29 PM Tom_L: it shakes when you walk on it
09:29 PM Tom_L: there are a few like that still around here
09:29 PM Tom_L: not many
09:29 PM katsmeow: lotta tension stretching those thin diagonals
09:31 PM furrywolf: we have a few old(ish - not nearly as old as those) through-truss steel bridges, which Caltrans has deemed evil and is replacing with ugly concrete blobs.
09:31 PM katsmeow: i see at least one bad bend in a main member of this : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/78/The_Iron_Bridge_%288542%29.jpg/800px-The_Iron_Bridge_%288542%29.jpg
09:33 PM furrywolf: almost all of our old bridges are through-truss lattice girder bridges... which I find quite nice looking, even though everyone else says they're really ugly.
09:33 PM furrywolf: we have a couple stone bridges and a couple small wooden bridges
09:35 PM furrywolf: https://previews.123rf.com/images/cpaulfell/cpaulfell1208/cpaulfell120800081/14945327-the-now-abandoned-warren-through-truss-swing-span-bridge-over-the-skagit-river-in-skagit-county-wash.jpg that kind
09:35 PM katsmeow: hirez, look at where the main spam beans sit on the center of arch and the stonework : https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/78/The_Iron_Bridge_%288542%29.jpg
09:35 PM katsmeow: span beams
09:36 PM katsmeow: obvious fingerprint there, furry
09:36 PM Tom_L: the place has a 'cool' factor to it though http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/Bridge1.jpg
09:36 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/Bridge2.jpg
09:37 PM katsmeow: that river doesn;t look like it wold be deep enough to carry a boat to need a swing bridge
09:37 PM Tom_L: it's pretty low there right now
09:37 PM Tom_L: you can see it's been much higher
09:37 PM furrywolf: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/Fernbridge.JPG/1200px-Fernbridge.JPG our only historic-ish bridge
09:37 PM furrywolf: which Caltrans also wants to get rid of.
09:38 PM Tom_L: if you look close you can maybe see branches stuck under the bridge
09:39 PM furrywolf: One of Caltrans's things they complain about is that the bridge isn't flood-resistant. it has survived every flood so far... including one that washed a caltrans bridge downstream and into the side of it.
09:39 PM katsmeow: Tom i see the overhead spiderwork at the ends, that is something i noticed didn;t exist on the otehr pic, which is why i said i would nothave built it
09:40 PM Tom_L: it's stood the test of time..
09:40 PM Tom_L: i don't recall how old it really is
09:41 PM katsmeow: the spiderwork greatly stiffens it's twist resistance, it really should be on all the verticals-to-overhead-horizontals
09:41 PM katsmeow: and all the horz-to-horiz junctions too
09:42 PM katsmeow: it woldbe a more stable
09:42 PM Tom_L: a bit of our dark past.. http://darkkansas.com/details.php?sid=149
09:42 PM Tom_L: the bridge is still there but i haven't seen that one
09:42 PM katsmeow: nice looking bridge there, furry
09:43 PM Tom_L: yeah
09:43 PM furrywolf: https://www.northcoastjournal.com/humboldt/1964-flood-eel-river/Slideshow/2775972/2775976 oh, I forgot, it also survived one of the sawmills being washed into the side of it, complete with the stockpiled logs...
09:43 PM katsmeow: resembles one in france(?) they attepted to remove to be replaced, and caused them no end of trouble to remove, it was built too well, and wasn't coming down
09:43 PM furrywolf: but, no, Caltrans wants it gone, because it's not flood resistant. :)
09:44 PM katsmeow: 1 Mile West of Douglass, KS out in the woods is an old Birdge?
09:44 PM Tom_L: yes aparently
09:45 PM Tom_L: it's in a remote county area
09:46 PM katsmeow: furry, they have ulterior motives,, maybe to remove ruckcompetition?
09:46 PM katsmeow: Truck
09:47 PM Tom_L: i wouldn't feel comfortable in that crane at that particular time
09:47 PM furrywolf: katsmeow: caltrans thinks all old bridges should be replaced with southern california overpass style concrete blobs.
09:48 PM Tom_L: you mean the ones that fall apart in an earthquake?
09:48 PM rue_: do they need an earthquake to do that now?
09:48 PM rue_: I thought that was optional for falling apart
09:49 PM rue_: https://www.northcoastjournal.com/humboldt/1964-flood-eel-river/Slideshow/2775972/2775978
09:50 PM rue_: beyond the cantiliver rating I suppose
09:50 PM katsmeow: quick! add more to the bridge!
09:51 PM furrywolf: can't really blame the bridge when the embankment goes away. heh.
09:52 PM Tom_L: i saw the water marks in Galveston when catrina hit
09:52 PM Tom_L: probably 2' above the door jambs
09:52 PM * rue_ wiats for print
09:54 PM Tom_L: https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fi.pinimg.com%2Foriginals%2Fae%2Fb2%2Fe3%2Faeb2e3926d70bb9c4b88dbc0416d47eb.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pinterest.com%2Fpin%2F439101032397568605%2F&docid=ISugDE2CMlP_9M&tbnid=HsoKKxrev4SwuM%3A&vet=10ahUKEwi1sJLo4pPdAhVMRqwKHbsGCpMQMwhaKBcwFw..i&w=1529&h=1024&itg=1&bih=758&biw=1101&q=galveston%20katrina%20water%20line&ved=0ahUKEwi1sJLo4pPdAhVMRqwKHbsGCpMQMwhaKBcwFw&iact=mrc&uact=8
09:54 PM Tom_L: not the same one but same idea
09:54 PM furrywolf: url too long.
09:55 PM katsmeow: nice jump
09:55 PM Tom_L: https://tinyurl.com/yak72t8v
09:55 PM furrywolf: you could always link to the actual image, not to google's preview of it. :)
09:56 PM furrywolf: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/b2/e3/aeb2e3926d70bb9c4b88dbc0416d47eb.jpg
09:56 PM furrywolf: https://www.delsjourney.com/images/news/news_02-06-25/2-3681_Weott_High_Water_Mark.jpg we have a few of those scattered around
09:57 PM furrywolf: the water was very high. :)
09:57 PM Tom_L: ok enough show n tell. goin to sleep now
09:58 PM rue_: gngiht
09:58 PM katsmeow: wow
09:58 PM katsmeow: gnite tom
09:58 PM furrywolf: cyas
09:58 PM rue_: so I want to make a robot swarm
09:58 PM rue_: but
09:58 PM rue_: what should each robot have
09:59 PM rue_: say, motors and wifi...
09:59 PM rue_: but...
09:59 PM rue_: sensors.... tools?
09:59 PM katsmeow: take out the garbage
09:59 PM furrywolf: teledildonics.
09:59 PM rue_: I suppose if I swarm cant navigate, its not good for much
09:59 PM katsmeow: chase bears from the potatoes
09:59 PM rue_: ! dig up the potatoes!
10:00 PM rue_: damn, getting dark
10:00 PM rue_: 8pm, getting late
10:00 PM rue_: I need to grind the welds on those rings
10:01 PM rue_: I suppose not tonight
10:01 PM rue_: then build kats jigs for spacing them
10:02 PM * katsmeow nods
10:03 PM rue_: I need to do the house heating rads too
10:03 PM rue_: arg
10:03 PM rue_: maybe If I make all the rads I'll magically figure out how to install them
10:05 PM rue_: so kat
10:05 PM rue_: you have a box of semiconductor
10:05 PM katsmeow: "all the rads" ? not staying with the central system?
10:05 PM rue_: I cant make one rad that does the whole house, would need to be too big
10:05 PM rue_: I'm breaking it up into ... like.... 7 of them
10:05 PM katsmeow: i have a 3-layer 5ft x 3ft
10:06 PM rue_: it means that the air wont be hit with heat till its almost at the grate, too
10:06 PM rue_: oh
10:06 PM rue_: geez, mine is a beer can flat
10:06 PM rue_: :/
10:06 PM rue_: anyhow, I'm facing a dilemna
10:06 PM rue_: as it starts to get too full
10:06 PM katsmeow: v8 car or truck radiators?
10:07 PM furrywolf: most heating here is either not central, or is forced air... I've never seen a hot water or steam system.
10:07 PM rue_: actaully, its a huge long freezer condenser
10:07 PM furrywolf: wood is by far the most common heat source here
10:07 PM rue_: for insurance I have the wood fired boiler outside, and rads in the forced air system
10:08 PM rue_: a 100gal tank gives me 1hr reserve heat
10:08 PM katsmeow: tilt it in the main plenum?
10:08 PM rue_: its a 4x18 plenum, and the rads are 6x8
10:08 PM rue_: er, 4x16
10:09 PM katsmeow: 6x8 inches?!?
10:09 PM rue_: yea, I cut them 18 inches long
10:09 PM rue_: anyhow, I have to mod the duct either way
10:09 PM katsmeow: 6x18 inches or 6x8? because you said 6x8
10:10 PM rue_: the runners in the rad are 1/2" copper pipe, the duct is steel, I'm not sure how to best exit the copper out the sides of the duct
10:10 PM rue_: 6x8x18
10:10 PM rue_: the air hits the 8x18 face
10:10 PM katsmeow: put them thru section of water hose as insulator
10:10 PM rue_: passes over 6" of rad
10:10 PM rue_: k
10:10 PM katsmeow: punch hhole, put in BX connector to hold the pipe tight
10:10 PM furrywolf: this sounds like overcomplicating a wood stove.
10:10 PM rue_: and gooo it with silicone (as its not insanely hot anyhow)
10:11 PM rue_: furrywolf, insurance
10:11 PM katsmeow: BX, not romex
10:11 PM katsmeow: flex armor
10:11 PM rue_: garden hose works
10:11 PM furrywolf: what does a wood stove have to do with insurance? wood stoves are normal things.
10:11 PM katsmeow: clamps down on the rubber hose beter than a conduit or romex fitting
10:12 PM rue_: since you brought it up, I cn get plastic thingers for protecting romex thru steel stud too
10:12 PM katsmeow: furry, some insurance will not allow fire in a house
10:12 PM katsmeow: or they jack the rates WAY up
10:12 PM rue_: well, it gets expensive
10:12 PM rue_: official chimney is about $40/foot
10:12 PM furrywolf: hrmm, here wood heat is so universal they must not do that... I've never heard of it.
10:13 PM katsmeow: everything is already overpriced where you are, furry
10:13 PM rue_: er, can that bee right? a 4' section is almost $100
10:13 PM furrywolf: yep
10:13 PM rue_: anyhow
10:13 PM furrywolf: metalbestos is the standard brand of such chimney here... and it ain't cheap.
10:13 PM rue_: furrywolf, have you seen my boiler?
10:13 PM katsmeow: rue, yeap, and sometimes thor triple line stainless steel pipes can fail
10:14 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1060888.jpg
10:14 PM rue_: apparently the last images are the pullies I made for it
10:15 PM rue_: god, chain was LOUD.
10:15 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1050605.jpg I have to do rebuilds moderatly often
10:15 PM furrywolf: you make $4 parts? heh
10:16 PM rue_: 4? hah where!
10:16 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030727.jpg = LOUD
10:16 PM furrywolf: local hardware store, ebay, amazon, ?
10:16 PM furrywolf: pullies are something I usually salvage, anyway... either off a vehicle or something at the scrapyard.
10:16 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030621-gantry.jpg with service gantry over it
10:16 PM rue_: furrywolf, no, I was stuck with making them
10:17 PM rue_: nice little casting excersize tho
10:17 PM rue_: oh, in that image I pulled the top off
10:17 PM furrywolf: your average scrap pre-1985ish car has a good assortment of pullies...
10:17 PM rue_: on the gantry is the burn box, the white piller with the fan is the heat exchanger
10:17 PM katsmeow: pillar
10:18 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030521-heatplantwhole.jpg overview!!!!
10:18 PM rue_: [the crosss on the shed are targets from construction]
10:19 PM rue_: the boiler was supposed to go *in* the shed
10:19 PM rue_: but, if the blower isn't running, and you open the door, the woodgas spills out and ignites, generates a huge flame out the door, so, its NOT going in the shed
10:20 PM furrywolf: I can't deal with wood anymore due to my back... http://www.unclehenrys.com/public/uploads/img_1030891_2018_02_16_14_57_29_685.jpg I got one of those now.
10:20 PM furrywolf: kerosene goes in, heat comes out.
10:20 PM katsmeow: it's never beenin the shed? i tought it wa
10:20 PM rue_: there were two woodstoves in thre
10:20 PM furrywolf: if that thing is your idea of a woodstove, I can see why your insurance agent might be worried. :P
10:20 PM rue_: insufficient btu and overabundance of soot buildup
10:21 PM rue_: thats a downdraft gassifying reactor, not a woodstove
10:21 PM katsmeow: wth, you have a tek scopemobile sitting out under the eave of the barn??
10:21 PM furrywolf: https://www.woodlanddirect.com/3470001-450px.jpg try one like that. will make your insurance guy much less worried.
10:21 PM katsmeow: ewww
10:22 PM katsmeow: glas, smoke
10:22 PM rue_: katsmeow, tek.. me?
10:22 PM * katsmeow glares at rue for the scopemobile laying in the mud and rain outside
10:22 PM rue_: what no, I think your seeing a kiln
10:23 PM rue_: under the 8' light?
10:23 PM katsmeow: laying at the corner of the barn
10:23 PM katsmeow: yeas
10:23 PM rue_: no, its a tiny kiln
10:23 PM katsmeow: ok
10:23 PM * furrywolf has several tiny kilns
10:24 PM rue_: I tried to belt brass in it, wow, major fail
10:25 PM Tom_L: damn you got siding up finally
10:25 PM furrywolf: http://fw.bushytails.net/hotkiln02.jpg puddling borosilicate glass in one of the kilns
10:25 PM rue_: the brass turned into.... something you might expect from a volcano
10:25 PM rue_: furrywolf, what were ya making?
10:25 PM katsmeow: built in 1795 : Four of the arches span 43 feet 4 inches, while the fifth and central arch is 46 feet 2 inches. The bridge is 30 feet wide, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/WelshBridgeCB2.jpg
10:25 PM furrywolf: I was testing my repairs to the kiln. glass was handy and a nice test. :)
10:26 PM rue_: oh are those peices of glass on a plate of some kind?
10:26 PM furrywolf: they were bits of glass rod, and they're on a piece of stainless steel sheet
10:26 PM rue_: ah
10:27 PM rue_: apparently reglar steel stains glass brown
10:27 PM Tom_L: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_a46WJ1viA
10:28 PM furrywolf: regular steel doesn't work well at how hot that kiln was. :)
10:28 PM furrywolf: (~2000F)
10:28 PM Tom_L: oh rue_ did you see these.....
10:29 PM Tom_L: http://nickhacko.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-cutting-edge-of-manufacturing.html
10:29 PM Tom_L: the kiln made me think of it
10:30 PM katsmeow: Network Rail has observed that the corrosive atmosphere inside the tunnel, produced by moisture and diesel fumes requires the steel rails replacing every six years.
10:30 PM furrywolf: I got another small kiln saturday, in fact... about a 6" cube interior.
10:31 PM furrywolf: haven't plugged it in yet. paid $70 for it.
10:34 PM furrywolf: I really want a kiln about twice the size... one of these days I want to try making a different kind of glass piece...
10:41 PM rue_: hmm
10:43 PM katsmeow: bridge porn !! : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pant-y-Geotre_Bridge_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1286666.jpg
10:45 PM katsmeow: Pant-y-Goitre Bridge crosses the River Usk between Abergavenny and Usk near the village of Llanfair Kilgeddin. The bridge carries the B4598. It was constructed in 1821
10:46 PM * furrywolf concludes kat really likes porn
10:47 PM katsmeow: lol
10:49 PM rue_: hahaha
10:49 PM rue_: it would be neat to see those being made
10:49 PM rue_: the scaffolding must have been crazy
10:50 PM rue_: I got a bunch of current settable dc-dc supplies for charging/maintaining the 6 and 12V batteries
10:50 PM rue_: so, I wonder how much current I want to set them for
10:51 PM rue_: damn, I need supper
10:51 PM rue_: hmm
10:51 PM furrywolf: good lead-acid batteries don't need any current limiting, and it's unlikely your supply is large enough to reach what they'd need to be limited at anyway.
10:51 PM rue_: I need to fix my focus problems, lets see, how can I do this
10:51 PM rue_: oh oh butterfly!!!!!
10:52 PM furrywolf: so set it to limit at what keeps the supply only slightly warm.
10:52 PM rue_: furrywolf, their 7Ah battereis at most
10:52 PM furrywolf: https://lynette707.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/hc-fernbridgeconst-1911-keir.jpg construction of the historic bridge I pasted earlier.
10:53 PM furrywolf: can your supply do >10A?
10:53 PM rue_: oh coool
10:54 PM rue_: its a pretty new pridge then
10:54 PM furrywolf: lead-acid is a lot more sensitive to voltage than current... good ones you can toss across a constant-voltage supply safely.
10:54 PM furrywolf: early 1900s
10:54 PM rue_: new enough to have a photo!
10:54 PM furrywolf: nothing here is much older than that... no real infrastrcture until the logging boom.
10:54 PM rue_: but it was brick wasn't it?
10:55 PM rue_: hah, I wonder if most of that timber was just thrown out after the bridge was up
10:55 PM furrywolf: concrete, brick, etc
10:55 PM furrywolf: nah, it was probably re-used for building the next thing
10:56 PM katsmeow: that is not much lumber to pour fullof concrete
10:57 PM furrywolf: there's a huge amount of bracing inside the arches, from the looks of it
10:57 PM furrywolf: that lumber is bigger than the photo makes it look.
10:57 PM furrywolf: I mean, it's like 40ft high... they may look like 2x4s, but they're actually small trees. lol
10:58 PM katsmeow: wiiiddde spacing tho
11:00 PM furrywolf: actually, they're even longer, since it looks like they excavated the entire riverbed to pour the foundations
11:00 PM katsmeow: down to bedrock, i bet
11:00 PM furrywolf: each arch is 180ft wide, and they look like they have more than half a circle visible, so over 90ft tall
11:01 PM rue_: http://oi67.tinypic.com/2zpnpcp.jpg is porn always bad? what about ... oh kitchens on fire, brb
11:02 PM furrywolf: so... they may look like small timbers, but if you figure they're 100ft long, they're probably a foot thick or more. heh.
11:03 PM furrywolf: that falsework looks very, very strong to me. heh.
11:04 PM rue_: from the image, I think those are like 12x12 timbers
11:04 PM rue_: I'd like to know what size they were lining the inside with
11:04 PM rue_: I wonder if its ply, I doubt it
11:04 PM katsmeow: AAACKKK, i cannot unsee those resistors!
11:05 PM rue_: sorry kat
11:05 PM rue_: but they are just resistors.
11:05 PM katsmeow: i don;t see any of them resisting tho.....
11:06 PM furrywolf: both t&g and shiplap redwood were very popular here
11:06 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/mascot/large0.jpg you do not see a creature
11:06 PM rue_: just a bunch of components
11:06 PM rue_: and knee-caps
11:06 PM furrywolf: probably low-grade shiplap rejects from the sawmills
11:07 PM rue_: I could see them using layers of thin wood
11:07 PM rue_: 1" of so
11:07 PM rue_: or so
11:07 PM furrywolf: most of the houses here from that era use shiplap redwood
11:07 PM rue_: those are usually STRONG houses
11:07 PM rue_: shiplap at 45 degrees
11:07 PM furrywolf: yep
11:07 PM rue_: as sub-wall cladding
11:08 PM rue_: with some kinda fiber-board over it
11:08 PM furrywolf: and in opposite directions on each side of the wall.
11:08 PM furrywolf: https://bridgehunter.com/photos/12/18/121850-M.jpg the construction picture makes the bridge look small... it's actually a quite large bridge. it is still, 117 year later, the longest concrete arch bridge.
11:08 PM furrywolf: 107 years
11:09 PM furrywolf: the perspective of the construction photo just makes it, and its falsework, look small.
11:09 PM furrywolf: those were literally small trees used to build the falsework. heh.
11:12 PM furrywolf: https://www.aaroads.com/california/images211/ca-211_fernbridge_04.jpg is big
11:13 PM furrywolf: there's literally thousands of trees in that falsework. lol
11:14 PM rue_: have either of you ever hooked up a scope in XY mode to stereo music thats got embedded animations?
11:15 PM rue_: I learned about it earlier this year and am burning to try it
11:15 PM rue_: sometime
11:16 PM katsmeow: i have hooked up tv H and V drive to the sterio
11:16 PM katsmeow: the yoke itself
11:16 PM furrywolf: https://cdn.zenfolio.net/cdn2/pub/wjzxtlqconyu/0/null/mh/qqpkxgt5xnrp28jbhhwb/s/v-3/p214215442-5.jpg?ts=3&tk=BD4_cXobmJe4QBb2h2Qe2cuVpkMnR5XY13p1DxrCnt0MfLrW5bVLW25wFOiQ3ZYq&v=2&visitor=p_zXILSs3sCWcbZUAjjcrkrP-p9Kz_qf8G9ojJ4BqoQu&auth=exp=1535759999~acl=%2Fcdn2%2Fpub%2Fwjzxtlqconyu%2F*~hmac=f4657980669cf73212462c516ec75eec another angle
11:16 PM katsmeow: eneded up using the vdrive as oem, and driving the H coils with the sterio
11:17 PM furrywolf: I hooked a 'scope up to a dozen or so function generators with a divider network in xy mode and made it draw a slowly rotating castle complete with crennelations....
11:17 PM * furrywolf was board, and in an electronics lab
11:17 PM furrywolf: bored
11:18 PM furrywolf: that view gives a much better idea how complex the falsework was
11:18 PM rue_shop4: hmm
11:19 PM rue_shop4: a completely new idea just occured to me
11:19 PM furrywolf: also, I need to write an unwatermarking filter for that idiot's photos...
11:19 PM furrywolf: they are NOT his photos. he has no right to watermark them.
11:19 PM rue_shop4: so, I'm hesitant to get rid of my old cnc because its the only machine that works with the surface profileing software I wrote back in '98
11:19 PM rue_shop4: but why dont I just make a new machine for that software
11:20 PM rue_shop4: I could make a much smaller machine
11:21 PM rue_shop4: furrywolf, the irc command to register should be privmsg nickserv username password right?
11:22 PM furrywolf: https://cdn.zenfolio.net/cdn2/pub/wjzxtlqconyu/0/null/mh/dnuqsnj_2f0-grnvpzis/s/v-3/p709513401-4.jpg?ts=3&tk=6WoTjX-K5Ijqcse6LX3FNktO_ncOFkLpHh5WeuergMNb5NXB3k_s3dYY_kIJZ_Bz&v=2&visitor=p_zXILSs3sCWcbZUAjjcrkrP-p9Kz_qf8G9ojJ4BqoQu&auth=exp=1535759999~acl=%2Fcdn2%2Fpub%2Fwjzxtlqconyu%2F*~hmac=f4657980669cf73212462c516ec75eec looks like shiplap redwood alright.
11:22 PM furrywolf: /msg nickserv help register
11:22 PM rue_shop4: not in a client
11:22 PM rue_shop4: the actual irc protocol level
11:23 PM rue_shop4: I assume the client translates /msg into privmsg
11:24 PM katsmeow: it should
11:24 PM furrywolf: privmsg nickserv :help register
11:24 PM furrywolf: :P
11:24 PM katsmeow: some translate /ns to /msg nickserv
11:25 PM furrywolf: https://cdn.zenfolio.net/cdn2/pub/wjzxtlqconyu/0/null/mh/g5mylaa3tmsnneflq-2z/s/v-3/p66980958-4.jpg?ts=3&tk=hrAtHk-SlFZT8488XYvkiesJPfCx8AKsloyD2WgFYxzFMM_zAtcz7NMBD0nH8WFw&v=2&visitor=p_zXILSs3sCWcbZUAjjcrkrP-p9Kz_qf8G9ojJ4BqoQu&auth=exp=1535759999~acl=%2Fcdn2%2Fpub%2Fwjzxtlqconyu%2F*~hmac=f4657980669cf73212462c516ec75eec looks like it might be 2x8s for the concrete form sides
11:26 PM katsmeow: but look how tall they are! thee's be tons of pressure per ft of timer
11:26 PM katsmeow: timber
11:26 PM rue_: the nick is registered, but I dont know how to use it at the protocol level
11:26 PM rue_: the colon is prolly what I'm missing
11:27 PM katsmeow: no, no colon, unless you are sending raw commands
11:27 PM rue_: I am
11:27 PM katsmeow: oh, then yeas
11:27 PM furrywolf: katsmeow: in any case, there is significant evidence that it was, in fact, strong enough. :)
11:28 PM furrywolf: that is, the bridge was constructed with no difficulties.
11:28 PM katsmeow: no, i have broken 2x10 only 4 ft of concrete behind them
11:28 PM katsmeow: they had to have done something to avoid the cumulative pressure of so much concrete
11:29 PM furrywolf: since the bridge was successfully built, the forms they built were obviously strong enough.
11:29 PM katsmeow: or they did more to the forms after that pic was taken?
11:30 PM furrywolf: unlikely. I've found a lot of pictures of various stages of construction.
11:30 PM rue_: hey! that worked!
11:30 PM furrywolf: building the world's longest concrete bridge, a record it still holds today, meant it got photographed a lot more than average.
11:30 PM rue_: haha, you helped me make a bash irc bot! :)
11:30 PM rue_: thanks furrywolf
11:31 PM rue_: sweet
11:31 PM rue_: so the next question is, can I connect 22 of them from my ip without freenode getting bent outa shape!
11:32 PM furrywolf: no
11:33 PM furrywolf: http://headwaterspreserve.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/1-22-15CollapseEberhard-1P.jpg now, compare to a recent (a couple years ago) attempt by caltrans (the same people who want to remove the historic bridge) to build a concrete form for a new bridge. :P
11:33 PM katsmeow: rue, check your email for examples of irc code i wrote
11:33 PM furrywolf: went splat as soon as the concrete touched it.
11:33 PM katsmeow: ouch
11:34 PM katsmeow: you gotta reply to the PING PONG event
11:35 PM furrywolf: "On Jan. 22, 2015, a 150-foot section of a 30 ft. elevated viaduct, part of the “Willits Bypass” on Highway 101 in Northern California collapsed as concrete was being poured into forms. With a tremendous roar, the elaborately constructed ‘falseworks’ crashed to the ground in a tangle of twisted steel, splintered timbers, crumpled rebar and wet concrete. Workers said they ran for their lives and several “rode it down”."
11:35 PM katsmeow: and onfreenode, you should prolly ping yourself every 2 minutes to appear active and chatty
11:37 PM furrywolf: the timbers on the historic bridge falsework are _really big_. and they're probably all oldgrowth wood.
11:37 PM katsmeow: how to ping PRIVMSG Eubot-v5-67 :
11:38 PM rue_: furrywolf, its not about how bad they are at building something, its about how much money they pay the key politicians to get the go-ahead
11:38 PM furrywolf: the magic \x01 that you can't see? :P
11:38 PM rue_: oh
11:38 PM katsmeow: two different bytes, furry
11:38 PM rue_: that'l be hard to do in bash
11:38 PM furrywolf: echo -e '\x01'...
11:39 PM katsmeow: -- The goal of irc.e was this simple:
11:39 PM katsmeow: -- 1) connect to one irc server
11:39 PM katsmeow: -- 2) ping myself to look busy (and to stay connected, idiot windoze. :-/)
11:39 PM katsmeow: -- 3) respond to server PING? PONG! events (do these still happen? i cannot test it!)
11:39 PM katsmeow: -- 4) log what happens, new logfile with each startup
11:40 PM katsmeow: sequence ctcp_magicbytes = {"
11:40 PM rue_: what is .e ?
11:40 PM furrywolf: -e?
11:40 PM katsmeow: file extension
11:41 PM furrywolf: -e tells echo to parse extended characters properly, like \x01.
11:41 PM katsmeow: also, veryfy the ping value sent is numeric, some clients can return characters, which can cause client crashes
11:41 PM rue_: foo.e is a file of some language tho
11:41 PM katsmeow: OpenEuphoria
11:41 PM rue_: ah
11:41 PM * furrywolf has written both irc clients and servers, but never more than a simple non-interactive irc connection with bash
11:41 PM katsmeow: function is_num(sequence what) -- this makes sure we don't crash on text ping replies
11:41 PM katsmeow: sequence numbers = "0123456789"
11:41 PM katsmeow: etc
11:42 PM furrywolf: you can send whatever the heck you want in a ping
11:42 PM rue_: furrywolf, I just need it to sit in a channel and do nothing
11:42 PM katsmeow: if equal(got_motd,1) then
11:42 PM katsmeow: send("PRIVMSG "&my_nick&" :
11:42 PM katsmeow: -- you can ping someone else too, let them know you are alive:
11:42 PM katsmeow: -- send("PRIVMSG "&"bugmagnet"&" :
11:42 PM katsmeow: -- need a way to remember the ping was sent, in case it never returns, or is very late
11:42 PM katsmeow: -- and then do something about it, like reconnect, but that's bot stuff, not irc.e
11:42 PM katsmeow: end if
11:42 PM rue_: so, if every 128 seconds I send something, I wont time out?
11:43 PM furrywolf: if you answer pings (the protocol variety, not the ctcp variety), you won't time out.
11:43 PM furrywolf: the server will send you PING <stuff>, you need to respond with PONG <stuff>.
11:43 PM katsmeow: you MUST reply tot he PING PONG
11:43 PM rue_: so its got to be interactive
11:44 PM katsmeow: -- PING :A70C82EE -- from the irc server you connected to
11:44 PM katsmeow: -- PONG :A70C82EE -- how you reply
11:44 PM katsmeow: -- some servers send PING and no value
11:44 PM katsmeow: -- some send no PING and just drop you for inactivity
11:44 PM katsmeow: -- some won't PING if they know you are active (1/2 the reason for keep-alive pings)
11:44 PM katsmeow: -- this is NOT the same as a ctcp ping.
11:44 PM katsmeow: -- Not tested, i have not gotten a server PING in days.
11:44 PM furrywolf: some servers, like freenodes, will only send pings to idle connections.
11:44 PM katsmeow: if not match("!",split_msg[1]) and -- it's a server msg
11:44 PM katsmeow: equal(split_msg[1],"PING") then -- it's the olde server PING PONG
11:44 PM katsmeow: junk = split(the_msg," :")
11:44 PM katsmeow: if (length(junk)>1) and (length(junk[2])>1) and is_num(junk[2])
11:44 PM katsmeow: then send("PONG "&junk[2])
11:44 PM katsmeow: else send("PONG")
11:44 PM katsmeow: end if
11:44 PM katsmeow: return -- comment out if you wanna process this yourself later
11:44 PM katsmeow: end if
11:44 PM furrywolf: so, if you continually send stuff, they won't send you pings, and thus you won't need to answer pings. but, this is non-standard.
11:44 PM furrywolf: katsmeow: don't make me /ignore you. you're making it so I can't read anything in any channel I'm in.
11:45 PM * katsmeow quits helping then
11:45 PM rue_: nono
11:45 PM rue_: I'm working with all this
11:46 PM furrywolf: flooding is bad. heh.
11:46 PM rue_: awe, its just a little code
11:46 PM furrywolf: also, that code snippet is wrong. it is _not_ guranteed to be numeric.
11:46 PM rue_: I dont know if I can translate it inot bash tho, the idea was a quick-and-dirty bot to sit in a channel
11:47 PM katsmeow: [11:45:pm] <katsmeow> if (length(junk)>1) and (length(junk[2])>1) and is_num(junk[2])
11:47 PM katsmeow: [11:45:pm] <katsmeow> then send("PONG "&junk[2])
11:47 PM katsmeow: [11:45:pm] <katsmeow> else send("PONG")
11:47 PM katsmeow: [11:45:pm] <katsmeow> end if
11:47 PM katsmeow: and is_num(junk[2])
11:47 PM katsmeow: else send("PONG")
11:47 PM furrywolf: you _can_ do that with bash... it's not the language most people would pick, however.
11:47 PM rue_: hey wait
11:47 PM rue_: for the bot to send, does it have to privmsg the channel?
11:47 PM rue_: how is text sent?
11:48 PM furrywolf: katsmeow: yes. which is wrong. that means that if the server sends ping <non-numeric stuff>, it will respond with just pong, with no stuff, which is wrong. you have to return the stuff.
11:48 PM katsmeow: via PRIVMSG
11:48 PM katsmeow: i have never returned the stuff
11:48 PM furrywolf: privmsg #garfield :zork
11:48 PM katsmeow: ever, in any client, only numerics
11:48 PM katsmeow: rue, ACTION has magic bytes too
11:49 PM furrywolf: I've never seen a server send you a ping with a non-numeric stuff, but it's possible. there's no reason to check for it. heh.
11:49 PM rue_: my colon might be in the wrong place
11:49 PM furrywolf: ctcp pings, on the other hand, often have non-numeric stuff. or, like my client, they send two numeric values.
11:49 PM furrywolf: which is essentially non-numeric stuff.
11:49 PM katsmeow: furry, some people maliciously send/reply with alpha characters, crashing clients that atept to blindy domath on them to calculate the lag
11:50 PM furrywolf: the colon goes before whatever variable length non-parameter makes up the rest of the line
11:50 PM * rue_ waits for mann27534 to speak
11:51 PM * furrywolf notes it seems to be from rue's ip
11:51 PM furrywolf: katsmeow: your client should not crash if it received an unexpected ping response. :)
11:51 PM * katsmeow hopes mann27534 is logging , to see the raw data
11:52 PM katsmeow: furry, my client doesn;t crash when recieving unexpected ping responces
11:53 PM katsmeow: furry, my irc bot, the one i wrote, knew all the numerics, performed all protocol functions, and did so on several channels on several nets at the same time
11:53 PM katsmeow: and logged all separately, etc
11:53 PM katsmeow: and had a multitasking http server that i wrote
11:53 PM * furrywolf wrote services for a network waaay back when... and coded on dalnet a bit.
11:54 PM katsmeow: so if asked a question with a long answer, it custom built a webpage and gave the url
11:54 PM katsmeow: that went over like a lead baloon, poeple admitted to being too lasy to double click, so i deleted the code
11:55 PM rue_: not logging but it goes to screen
11:55 PM rue_: :weber.freenode.net 401 mann27534 #garfield: :No such nick/channel
11:55 PM rue_: I did someting wrog
11:55 PM katsmeow: wrog indeed
11:55 PM furrywolf: you put the : before the space
11:55 PM rue_: echo -e 'privmsg #garfield: Hello\?';
11:55 PM rue_: ok
11:56 PM rue_: ooh damnit
11:56 PM furrywolf: the : goes before the thing it applies to, not on the end of the thing before it.
11:56 PM rue_: whats the undo for ctrl-s in a terminal
11:57 PM furrywolf: ctrl-q
11:57 PM rue_: :)
11:57 PM * katsmeow guesses the emails did no help at all, since rue's mistakes are covered in them
11:58 PM rue_: katsmeow, I'm trying simpleer things forst
11:58 PM rue_: look I alreayd had soemthing tell me to ust wrote this all in C
11:58 PM rue_: I'd like to know how I can pull off soemthing that just carely works by definition in bash
11:58 PM rue_: cause its really quick and easy
11:58 PM rue_: ""
11:59 PM furrywolf: sometimes the wrong language will make a quick and easy thing not quick and easy. :)
11:59 PM furrywolf: does bash even do asynchronous i/o?
11:59 PM rue_: writing it in C will take me days
11:59 PM rue_: I modifeid your loop
11:59 PM rue_: ( cat irclist | while read op; do echo -e $op; sleep 5; done ; while true ; do sleep 128 ; echo -e 'privmsg #garfield: Hello\?'; done ) | netcat irc.freenode.org 6667
11:59 PM rue_: irclist is the connection and reg commands