#garfield Logs
Aug 19 2018
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12:24 PM rue_: hi
12:28 PM rue_: furrywolf, you can use a peice of coathanger wire and gang two ;)
12:28 PM rue_: test it tho
12:28 PM rue_: there is usually another mechanical thing to do the trip
08:31 PM katsmeow is now known as ^kat^-afk
08:47 PM ^kat^-afk is now known as ^kat^
08:50 PM * ^kat^ ponders furry installing a double pole relay so when the positive is disconnected by the GFDI , the negative will be disconnected too
08:53 PM furrywolf: what I decided to do was use a double-pole GFDI, which breaks all three conductors to the array, and a 1K 25W resistor across the ground breaker, so the ground stays somewhat referenced to actual ground even after the breaker opens.
08:54 PM ^kat^: you should be able to gnd the gnd, it's the + and - is the issue?
08:56 PM furrywolf: I have to run the ground through the GFDI breaker. the breaker opens it when it trips.
08:56 PM furrywolf: otherwise I'd need a fancy electronic system with a separate electrically opened breaker.
08:56 PM ^kat^: something is makingno sense, ut ok
08:57 PM furrywolf: the GFDI breaker is a 0.5A breaker screwed to 1, 2 or 4 80A breakers, common trip.
08:58 PM furrywolf: in the normal installation, you run the main system ground to battery negative bond through the 0.5A breaker, and the solar array positive through the 80A breaker.
08:58 PM ^kat^: are you getting 80 amps fromt eh panels?
08:58 PM furrywolf: not quite, but that doesn't matter
08:59 PM ^kat^: sorta does,, if you are getting highh current, i asume at a low enough non-dangerous voltage
08:59 PM rue_: FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUCK
08:59 PM furrywolf: in the normal installation, when it opens, the panels remain grounded, but the battery bank and all other DC wiring becomes ungrounded, and immediately floats to, in the worst case, the full PV array voltage.
08:59 PM ^kat^: NNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
08:59 PM rue_: I melted the ONE PEICE of the bandsaw I'm fixing that made the whole repair worth doing
08:59 PM furrywolf: this has the side effect of making all your DC appliances live.
08:59 PM rue_: damnit damnit damnit
08:59 PM ^kat^: good thing you can remake it
08:59 PM rue_: no I cant remake that peice
08:59 PM furrywolf: and, in fact, the use of DC loads is prohibited in combination with a GFDI used in the traditional way, because of this.
09:00 PM ^kat^: your rules are pissing me off, furry
09:00 PM furrywolf: ?
09:01 PM rue_: I bneen working on fixed that damnted bandsaw for like 6 years now
09:01 PM ^kat^: the use of DC loads is prohibited in combination with a GFDI used in the traditional way,...... in the normal installation, when it opens, the panels remain grounded, but the battery bank and all other DC wiring becomes ungrounded, and immediately floats to, in the worst case, the full PV array voltage. .... etc
09:01 PM rue_: I was SO close
09:01 PM ^kat^: what part was it?
09:01 PM rue_: its a balde guide
09:01 PM furrywolf: THE part, apparantly.
09:02 PM rue_: just arg
09:02 PM ^kat^: you can make balde guides!
09:02 PM rue_: I'm sure you can get them in the cornder sotre in the USSA but I'm n=in canada and I cant get F-all
09:02 PM rue_: I'v put a LOT of work to get it to where it is
09:03 PM ^kat^: well, i canot, but comes to mind you can order them as replacemane parts for HF/Grizzley saws
09:03 PM rue_: I stuff it all the the god damned box and it can fing sit there for another god damn 2 years
09:03 PM rue_: <rue_> I'm sure you can get them in the cornder sotre in the USSA but I'm n=in canada and I cant get F-all
09:04 PM rue_: I been working on other main assembly that it needs all week
09:04 PM rue_: dont know how many times its gone thru my head that if it weren't for that one guide being okk the whole freaking proejct wouldn't be worth it
09:04 PM ^kat^: you haveto order them online, you cannot get them from the corner HF store here
09:04 PM rue_: ARG
09:05 PM rue_: no kat, thgey want $5000 shipping to canada
09:05 PM rue_: like everyone else
09:05 PM rue_: this is just a fact
09:05 PM rue_: usa sellers do NOT want to sell to canada
09:05 PM ^kat^: toss them over the fence with a suitable catapult, damnit
09:05 PM rue_: and nobody in cadna amkknow whats I'm talkiking about EVER
09:05 PM ^kat^: or get a PO Box in Portland
09:05 PM rue_: I was SO close
09:05 PM rue_: I could have had it working in like 2 weeks
09:06 PM furrywolf: what is a blade guide, exactly?
09:06 PM ^kat^: you can build guids in 2 weeks from scrap
09:06 PM rue_: no kat, square holes, I cant do it
09:06 PM ^kat^: iprefer the kind with 3 ball bearings, so throw that in
09:06 PM rue_: I already been working on building anough stuff for that thing that has rexctabgular and hex holes
09:06 PM ^kat^: you can too, you weld 2 corners together
09:07 PM furrywolf: I usually think of blade guides as little blocks with three 608ZZs...
09:07 PM rue_: I do NOT want to re-engineer the blade guide
09:07 PM ^kat^: you can too, you weld 2 corners together
09:07 PM rue_: the god damned thing can ro tthere for another 2 years and maybe wi'll work on it again
09:07 PM ^kat^: you need a bandsaw
09:07 PM rue_: if I find a bandsaw for sale that ones going over a gad damned cliff
09:07 PM rue_: its a verticle one, i'v not got one that not crap
09:08 PM rue_: I have two crap vert bandsaws
09:08 PM furrywolf: if you need small square holes, in soft-ish metal, hit a square tapered punch with a cutoff wheel until it looks like a broach, and hit it with a hammer.
09:08 PM rue_: anyhow, hjust ARG
09:08 PM rue_: I was SO close
09:08 PM rue_: SO verry verry close after like 6 years
09:09 PM furrywolf: again, what is this blade guide?
09:09 PM rue_: I'm disgusted with the project right now, It can stay int eh box for years, but just arg
09:09 PM rue_: furrywolf, do you have a vert bandsaw?
09:09 PM furrywolf: no. I have a horizontal and two portable.
09:09 PM ^kat^: furry: opposed square holes for holding square 1/2inch bakelite
09:09 PM furrywolf: all use little blocks with ball bearings as guides
09:09 PM rue_: the design of the one I ahve is a design that is rebranded by everyone
09:10 PM rue_: the guide is a aluminum fork that holds two peices of hardened steel
09:10 PM rue_: I had to rebuild the piece that holds it
09:10 PM rue_: I was using it and a shim as a spacer and the weld got too hot and melted it
09:10 PM ^kat^: if rue takes some 1" angle iron, cut it down so it; the right size when two are held together like <> , then welds them in that position, he'd have the square hole
09:10 PM rue_: badly
09:11 PM rue_: I dont want to work on it now
09:11 PM rue_: it can stay int eh box
09:11 PM furrywolf: http://www.carterproducts.com/media/catalog/category/Kits.JPG my three use things like that
09:11 PM rue_: I'v spent the past 2 weeks designing and making other parts for the god damned thing
09:11 PM rue_: to have the finish line move 2 miles away is making me give up for now
09:12 PM rue_: at this rate it would have been less work to have built a bandsaw from scratch, and designed it too
09:13 PM rue_: also annoying I knew someone who said theywere selling theirs and then when I went to see about buying it they said they weren't
09:13 PM furrywolf: I've never seen one that uses anythng other than three sets of ball bearings.
09:13 PM ^kat^: i have seen one bearing and the square blocks
09:14 PM rue_: kat, thats the one
09:14 PM rue_: everyone rebrands them
09:14 PM rue_: same design across the board
09:14 PM rue_: metal/wood bandsaw
09:15 PM Tom_L: rue_
09:15 PM Tom_L: got a pic of the part?
09:15 PM Tom_L: can it be remade?
09:15 PM rue_: I'v had to rebuild like 1/3 of the damned machine already
09:15 PM furrywolf: https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/wjAAAOSwzSRZ1jnj/s-l400.png I'm guessing something like that. I've never seen one in person.
09:15 PM rue_: <rue_> to have the finish line move 2 miles away is making me give up for now
09:16 PM rue_: yup
09:16 PM rue_: I dont care if I can make one
09:16 PM rue_: I'v got to remade so many other parts of it that I dont want to work on it now
09:16 PM rue_: maybe in a few years
09:17 PM Tom_L: that fork is what broke?
09:17 PM rue_: I spent 3 hours night before last making parts
09:17 PM rue_: the fork I melted
09:17 PM rue_: the whole assembly that holds the fork is what I had to rebuild
09:17 PM rue_: it was a crap casting that literally disintegrated
09:18 PM rue_: along with the huib that holds the whole upper wheel
09:18 PM furrywolf: use some 3/4" OD 1/8" wall DOM square tube to make the square holders. weld nuts to it instead of tap it, even easier. weld to a tee made of whatever size steel fits the mount.
09:18 PM rue_: I know I can bhuild one,
09:19 PM rue_: <rue_> to have the finish line move 2 miles away is making me give up for now
09:19 PM furrywolf: remember to put a bolt in the nut BEFORE welding, so you don't get splatter in the threads. :)
09:19 PM rue_: its SO frustrating
09:19 PM Tom_L: he don't wanna work on it now
09:19 PM ^kat^: and a nut each side of the one you are welding
09:19 PM rue_: not for about 2 years
09:20 PM rue_: the vise should have sucked enough heat from that to have kept it from melting
09:21 PM rue_: damnit
09:21 PM ^kat^: weld faster, less heat,
09:21 PM rue_: I have to remake the adapter for the red drillpress that goes between the base and the upright so I can work on turning it into a cnc machine
09:21 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/p1100621.jpg
09:22 PM rue_: ^^ much more worthwhile project
09:22 PM furrywolf: https://www.ebay.ca/itm/Import-14-bandsaw-blade-guide-bracket/151178396587 ships to canada
09:22 PM Tom_L: the bottom ring?
09:22 PM rue_: it broke, and someone fixed it with epoxy that was cracking apart
09:22 PM rue_: yea
09:22 PM ^kat^: why are they out in the weather?
09:23 PM rue_: furrywolf, ouch, $40
09:23 PM rue_: just got them
09:23 PM rue_: the silver one just got the mid-pulley and the motor from the red one
09:23 PM furrywolf: well, if you don't want to fab it...
09:23 PM rue_: its an awesome machine, less the fact its too tall for the shop workbench, I have to rebuild the bench to fit it
09:24 PM Tom_L: a metal pipe bracket might be a start to fix that base
09:24 PM rue_: furrywolf, indeed, just ARG
09:24 PM furrywolf: it's $90 for the ball bearing upgrade. heh.
09:24 PM ^kat^: drill presses don;t usually make good mills tho
09:24 PM furrywolf: all mine are meant for cutting metal, probably why they use ball bearings by default. rub strips seems like a wood-only thing.
09:24 PM rue_: I'll see, and yea, I agree
09:25 PM rue_: the silver one was $75, the red one $50
09:25 PM rue_: the silver one is everything I wanted as an upgarde to the one I use now
09:25 PM rue_: deeper, lower speed range, more torque
09:26 PM rue_: Tom_L, I think a pipe flange adapter adjusted ont eh lathe should do it
09:26 PM rue_: need to find one
09:26 PM rue_: the spline is too small for a pullbar, so, I'm not sure on that one
09:27 PM ^kat^: totally build a new base, something with a bottom clamp AND a top clamp to hold it all rigidly
09:28 PM Tom_L: http://www.malleableiron-pipefittings.com/sale-9627655-lightweight-ductile-iron-grooved-pipe-fittings-grooved-flange-adapter.html
09:28 PM furrywolf: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Delta-Import-14-Bandsaw-Upper-Blade-Ball-Bearing-Guide-upgrade-for-LBS-131/151063016792 that looks... very fabricatable.
09:28 PM Tom_L: something like that to start with
09:28 PM ^kat^: add a pulley up top so you can raise and loswer the table, and/or the head
09:28 PM rue_: I'll talk to the pipe wholesaler about a flange, see if its within budget
09:28 PM ^kat^: you got a lathe <sigh>
09:29 PM rue_: Tom_L, that might be idenitcle to the origional it used
09:29 PM rue_: or really close
09:29 PM rue_: furrywolf, heh, $100
09:30 PM ^kat^: my router upstairs died, prolly from heat , had to plug the gigabit 24port down here right into the dsl modem
09:30 PM rue_: furrywolf, whats odd, is the spacing, they should only be about 1.5mm apart
09:30 PM furrywolf: it's adjustable
09:31 PM Tom_L: not that one
09:31 PM rue_: ah, must be eccentric bolts of something
09:31 PM furrywolf: the bearings are on eccentrics. you rotate the eccentrics until it's tight against the blade, then tighten the clamps.
09:31 PM ^kat^: i hate that
09:31 PM rue_: anyhow, I'm not working on THAT for quite a while
09:31 PM rue_: the bitterness has to fade
09:32 PM rue_: I got my hands on some cold rolled steel for making box-ways for the new cnc
09:32 PM rue_: I need to figure that out
09:33 PM rue_: the feed on that red drillpress has some side pay, and its not adjustable, so that would be another challange
09:33 PM rue_: technically, I only got the drillpress for its spline
09:33 PM rue_: the rest is a bonus
09:34 PM rue_: and the silver drillpress that is an amazing shop upgrade is a sideeffect
09:36 PM Tom_L: i can't find anything on box way design
09:36 PM ^kat^: which way is the box way?
09:36 PM rue_: :) I found a bunch of stuff, I need to mentally put it all togethor
09:36 PM rue_: lots of box ways are hydrostatic
09:36 PM rue_: ^kat^, opposed to dovetail
09:37 PM rue_: instead of > < its [ ]
09:37 PM ^kat^: o
09:37 PM Tom_L: stronger
09:37 PM * ^kat^ hands rue a channel
09:37 PM rue_: I have all sorts of things to figure out, like gibs, straight or tapered
09:37 PM furrywolf: always tapered.
09:37 PM ^kat^: i thing Andy Gibbs was a lil more like ~
09:38 PM furrywolf: one of mine has straight gibs with a row of adjustment screws, and that design fucking sucks. use tapered.
09:38 PM rue_: I have a milling machine, I'm thinking if i make a taper side, then put gib material in, and cut both the gib and the opposing side parallel on the mill
09:38 PM rue_: ok
09:39 PM furrywolf: if you do that, you'll have to do it again if you ever need a replacement gib...
09:39 PM rue_: I could just measure out the gib when done
09:40 PM rue_: stash it as a machine spec
09:40 PM rue_: those sherlines use plastic gibs!
09:40 PM rue_: they come all warped and distorted
09:40 PM furrywolf: yep. my sherline uses plastic gibs. it's because they ride on aluminum...
09:40 PM Tom_L: all the more reason to walk away
09:40 PM furrywolf: a tool steel gib riding on aluminum would not be a good idea. :)
09:41 PM rue_: :)
09:41 PM Tom_L: typically gibs are bronze
09:41 PM rue_: well, I'm thinking of using aluminum against the cold rolled rail
09:41 PM Tom_L: no
09:41 PM Tom_L: it will gauld
09:41 PM ^kat^: gall
09:41 PM rue_: one site I was looking at used a liner between the rail and the carriage
09:42 PM Tom_L: yeah what she said
09:42 PM furrywolf: brass works a lot better than aluminum for moving parts
09:42 PM ^kat^: it will gall, becoming galled, transfering metal , acting like sand paper
09:44 PM ^kat^: like when your grinding wheel wonlt grind because the spaces tween the carborundum is fullof aluminum
09:45 PM Tom_L: ur not supposed to grind aluminum :)
09:45 PM ^kat^: true, i took a pic of it galled with steel tho
09:49 PM rue_shop3: hmm
09:49 PM rue_shop3: but I shouldn't do steel on steel
09:49 PM Tom_L: probably not but it would be better than aluminum on steel
09:49 PM rue_shop3: I'd like to cast the inter-carrige between the X and Y sliders
09:50 PM rue_shop3: what if I use brass shimstock
09:50 PM ^kat^: i was doing this http://designerthinking.com/images/DSCF0712.jpg
09:50 PM rue_shop3: to line the aluminum
09:50 PM ^kat^: and this happened http://designerthinking.com/images/DSCF0711.jpg
09:50 PM Tom_L: like a spacer might work
09:50 PM ^kat^: it was enough i changed disks, and cleaned it up later
09:51 PM Tom_L: you'd have to pin it so it didn't slide
09:51 PM Tom_L: or encapsulate it somehow
09:51 PM rue_shop3: I'm thining thick foil thats anchored somehow
09:52 PM Tom_L: .035" or more maybe
09:52 PM rue_shop3: I still need heat for the house in winter
09:52 PM rue_shop3: maybe I'm just getting frantic
09:53 PM Tom_L: boiler go out?
09:53 PM rue_shop3: the rad failed in the house
09:53 PM rue_shop3: I have to set up a new rad system
09:54 PM Tom_L: wouldn't expect that
09:54 PM rue_shop3: distributed
09:54 PM rue_shop3: about 7 of them
09:54 PM rue_shop3: they are 6.5" thick, the ducts are 4"
09:55 PM * ^kat^ deltes the files she stupidly uploaded
09:55 PM Tom_L: damn if you didn't...
09:55 PM Tom_L: i saw them
10:04 PM ^kat^: <coff>
10:21 PM ^kat^: zhanx , send Jeff a https://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-DC-30A-360W-Switching-Power-Supply-Driver-Transformer-for-LED-Strip-Light/272411741842 , with wired attached and ready to charge 12v car batteries
10:28 PM zhanx: k
10:28 PM zhanx: is he now able to figure it out?
10:29 PM zhanx: not*
10:29 PM furrywolf: I need to improve the power supply for my usb audio box... it needs bigger capacitors. the box resets every time you start a motor.
10:29 PM ^kat^: he cannot afford the $15 , not this mo, not last mo, not the month before, etc
10:29 PM ^kat^: and i bet he cannot figure it out
10:30 PM zhanx: k
10:31 PM ^kat^: mightbe an excuse to not accomplish anything, but i caot afford to take care of me and him too
10:31 PM ^kat^: ^kat^> with as little money as you have(?) , i bet you can get free food, free internet, and maybe powerco money too, from family help orgs
10:31 PM zhanx: true
10:31 PM ^kat^: he says nope
10:33 PM ^kat^: i wanna suggest he "man up" at least to my level, and get shit DONE, but that will piss him off
10:34 PM zhanx: can i just make him one out of my extra computer psu's?
10:34 PM zhanx: I have a 500w one extra
10:34 PM ^kat^: your call
10:35 PM furrywolf: I'm tempted to just splice a random big electrolytic into the cord.
10:35 PM zhanx: k, i will look in the parts bins tomorrow, I am sure I have stuff to charge 12v car batteries
10:35 PM ^kat^: can you crank them up to 13.8v?
10:36 PM zhanx: i think so yea
10:36 PM zhanx: whats it charging really?
10:36 PM zhanx: just car batteries or ?
10:36 PM ^kat^: furry, i use one the "transformers" i mention for a yr now to keep this puter and thelaptop running 24-7
10:37 PM ^kat^: car batteries is all, i think
10:37 PM ^kat^: the rv battery is dead, proly never been charged, for a decade
10:38 PM furrywolf: this is a much smaller problem... the box in question seems exceptionally picky to line voltage dips, and resets on dips that don't affect anything else.
10:38 PM ^kat^: he's had that rv for over a year
10:38 PM rue_shop4: oh:( the red drillpress has a female taper, so it can take the BIG bits directly
10:38 PM zhanx: well i have my smart charger/tender
10:38 PM ^kat^: "smart chargers" usually overcharge
10:38 PM rue_shop4: yea, JT#3 is a male taper, drat
10:39 PM zhanx: great my internet is gonna drop again
10:39 PM furrywolf: I find smart chargers usually undercharge.
10:39 PM furrywolf: I have a number of manual chargers, because I usually want to overcharge. :)
10:39 PM zhanx: i can set the charge voltage to maintain with mine
10:39 PM zhanx: 6/12/24 etc
10:39 PM rue_shop4: that has to be the only shortfall of this drilpress
10:40 PM zhanx: new drill press rue?
10:40 PM ^kat^: i put a 12v "smart charger" on overnite, the next moring the battery was bubbling furiously at 19v
10:40 PM furrywolf: that charger was broken. lol
10:40 PM rue_shop4: THO, that seems to imply that the chuck I got will fit in the drillpress I'm makinginto a cnc
10:40 PM ^kat^: i opened the charger, there was NO voltage regulator os voltage sensors in it
10:40 PM rue_shop4: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/shop/p1100621.jpg
10:41 PM zhanx: not all smart chargers are worth buying
10:41 PM rue_shop4: zhanx, the left one fixed up nicely, the right one is parts for a cnc
10:42 PM furrywolf: I have an Optima on a manual charger right now... probably bubbling pretty well at this point.
10:42 PM rue_shop4: 8-| yes, the collette chuck I got fits perfectly into the female taper of that red drillpress
10:42 PM zhanx: nice
10:43 PM zhanx: how much?
10:44 PM rue_shop4: the silver one that will make a great shop upgrade was $75 (no motor) and the red one was $50 (donor of motor, middle pulley (hey, now I can drill BIG stuff), and belts)
10:44 PM rue_shop4: but I have to modify my shop bench to fit it, casue its significantly larger than the current shop press
10:45 PM zhanx: and way larger than my simple drill press that fits my corded drill
10:45 PM ^kat^: chainsaw time!
10:47 PM rue_shop4: I have to make a sub-deck to put the drillpress on
10:47 PM rue_shop4: gonna wrap the bench around it
10:47 PM ^kat^: and bolt it down to the desk
10:47 PM zhanx: weld it
10:47 PM rue_shop4: the handle is at 6'
10:47 PM rue_shop4: on the bench as it would be
10:47 PM rue_shop4: thats a *tad* high
10:47 PM zhanx: 6' is a good height for me
10:48 PM rue_shop4: for the feed handle of a drillpress?
10:48 PM ^kat^: i fastened my floor-size to a duoubled 2x6 in the wall, and the baby one down here has 2ft deep and wide angles for the base which are screwed to 2x4 with 3" drywall
10:49 PM furrywolf: I don't have a good drillpress... I have a shitty delta. I had a nice ooooold craftsman, but the spindle was goobered, and I gave it away to someone I know.
10:49 PM zhanx: rue_shop4, I a taller than you remember
10:51 PM rue_shop4: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/p1090549.jpg
10:51 PM furrywolf: what I really need now is a place to put tools, not more tools.
10:51 PM rue_shop4: ^^ top is that god damned bandsaw
10:52 PM furrywolf: I have a horizontal like the other bandsaw.
10:52 PM furrywolf: does your gearbox also immediately piss out any gear oil you add, so you switched to grease instead? :)
10:53 PM rue_shop4: its mostly grease, yep
10:53 PM zhanx: waiit
10:53 PM zhanx: why is the transmission under the transmission jack?
10:53 PM rue_shop4: hah
10:53 PM rue_shop4: its a motorbike jack
10:53 PM ^kat^: it's canada
10:53 PM furrywolf: because a transmission jack sits on top of a transmission. that's why it's called a transmission jack, not a floor jack, which would sit on the floor. duh.
10:54 PM rue_shop4: hahaha
10:54 PM rue_shop4: +1 furrywolf
10:54 PM zhanx: must be ^kat^
10:54 PM zhanx: when in canada everything is a hat
10:55 PM rue_shop4: furrywolf, have you ever thought about reorganzing your site?
10:55 PM furrywolf: I've thought about lots of ways to spend lots of time for little or no benefit, yes.
10:55 PM rue_shop4: ok, so your thinking on it came to the same conclusion I did about my site
10:56 PM ^kat^: good to keep your thinker working well
10:56 PM zhanx: sounds like me
10:57 PM zhanx: speaking of that, one device in my house is a wifi hot spot called AI_thinker and its location is unknown to me
10:57 PM ^kat^: why?
10:58 PM rue_shop4: use a peice of grounded tinfoil like a shield around half your phone to scan for its diretion
10:58 PM zhanx: i have no clue where it is
10:58 PM rue_shop4: thats how I found a hidden wifi repeater in an office
10:58 PM rue_shop4: that un-linked from its network
10:58 PM zhanx: k
10:58 PM zhanx: yep this should be linked to my network but its not
10:58 PM rue_shop4: will your phone show you wifi signal strength?
10:59 PM zhanx: in a crappy way yes
10:59 PM zhanx: it should work
10:59 PM rue_shop4: took me some thinking to come up with that
11:00 PM rue_shop4: I knew there had to be a reapeater, but nobody knew anything
11:00 PM rue_shop4: found it in the wall behind a desk
11:00 PM zhanx: i was thinking of using a soda can and taking the top off
11:00 PM rue_shop4: the result of "its this way SOMEWHERE"
11:00 PM zhanx: a repeater in the wall?
11:01 PM rue_shop4: one of those plug-into-outlet ones
11:01 PM * furrywolf really needs a shop
11:02 PM rue_shop4: I agree, lets all pitch in!, I'll put in $2
11:02 PM rue_shop4: make a gofund me page, so that my $2 can go directly to someone else!
11:02 PM zhanx: a shop not a cardboard box rue
11:04 PM rue_shop4: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/newbot/robo.html
11:04 PM rue_shop4: step1
11:04 PM rue_shop4: !!!!
11:05 PM zhanx: awe yes i forgot about this
11:06 PM rue_shop4: furrywolf, so, your project is a shop
11:06 PM rue_shop4: lets say, your aiming at a 400 square foot shop
11:07 PM rue_shop4: using the 80% rule, you need a box thats 320 square feet
11:07 PM furrywolf: the hard part is the land to put it on
11:07 PM furrywolf: huh?
11:07 PM zhanx: 4x10 foot is a bit narrow rue
11:07 PM rue_shop4: you dont need a permit for a project box tho
11:07 PM ^kat^: 4x10 = 40
11:07 PM zhanx: sqaured
11:08 PM * rue_shop4 supplies zhanx with some extra zeros
11:08 PM furrywolf: you need a permit for anything larger than 10x12 here. also, they are now enforcing building permits via satellite.
11:08 PM * ^kat^ cooects his speeeling : squared
11:08 PM furrywolf: also, you need land to put it on.
11:08 PM rue_shop4: 400 square feet is 200 people who cant dance.
11:08 PM zhanx: never mind it was a bad joke
11:08 PM ^kat^: you have a wholemobile hime to use, furry?
11:08 PM zhanx: furrywolf, rules on skid mounted sheds?
11:09 PM furrywolf: again, it NEEDS LAND TO GO ON.
11:09 PM ^kat^: trailers?
11:09 PM ^kat^: are you not on land now?
11:09 PM * ^kat^ looks up
11:09 PM zhanx: do you live in an apt?
11:09 PM furrywolf: I don't own here.
11:10 PM ^kat^: right, trailerit is then
11:10 PM zhanx: hence i asked about the skid mounted shed
11:10 PM zhanx: they are considered portable
11:11 PM furrywolf: no room
11:11 PM * ^kat^ needs to go lay down a while
11:11 PM rue_: it took damn near 24 hours for them to try root:1234 on the honeypot machine
11:12 PM rue_: they dont seem to try ssh attempts if there is no http server
11:12 PM ^kat^: gnites
11:12 PM furrywolf: cyas
11:12 PM furrywolf: grr
11:13 PM zhanx: rue_, are they port scanning?
11:13 PM rue_: they are poking ports
11:14 PM rue_: it turns out they dont even try to ssh to a new machine for like 6 hours
11:14 PM rue_: they just test to see what ports are open and *MIGHT* be kinda fingerprinting the machine
11:14 PM rue_: but in a REALLY distributed, gradual way
11:15 PM rue_: looks like the same botnet, multitasking over 3 channels, all with different ip's
11:15 PM rue_: you can see them going down a list, but it stops an restarts randomly
11:17 PM zhanx: weird
11:21 PM zhanx: cant wait for the new router to get here tuesday
11:23 PM furrywolf: every time I look at the housing listings, everything is way, way, way too expensive.
11:23 PM furrywolf: I have no idea how anyone who works for a living can afford any of them.
11:23 PM zhanx: rue_, you can laugh now
11:23 PM zhanx: that wifi ap was behind my pc, it was hooked to the power strip and had fallen behind my desk
11:24 PM zhanx: furrywolf, where do you live?
11:24 PM furrywolf: far northern california, Eureka area.
11:25 PM zhanx: maybe look at moving?
11:26 PM zhanx: i can get you a number of a place in ashville nc (nice area) looking for mechanics tomorrow if you wnt
11:26 PM zhanx: and in texas
11:26 PM furrywolf: I can't be a mechanic. One of the many things I can't do now that my back is fucked up. I have a hard enough time even keeping my own vehicles running.
11:26 PM zhanx: whats your job now?
11:27 PM furrywolf: delivering small, light boxes to people's houses.
11:30 PM zhanx: which i know nothing that translates to jobs i know are looking for people, if that makes sense
11:40 PM furrywolf: bbl, wolfy bedtime
11:40 PM zhanx: i think my isp is playing ping pong with my connection speed
11:45 PM rue_: z has a fucked up back, maybe you two could work togethor