#garfield Logs
Aug 07 2018
#garfield Calendar
12:07 AM zhanx: rue_shop3: sorry
12:11 AM zhanx: long story short, NCR (National Cash Register) had its lead tech quit
12:11 AM rue_: hmm
12:11 AM zhanx: they contracted me
12:11 AM rue_: heh
12:11 AM zhanx: i got tons of pages of stuff to read
12:11 AM zhanx: i knew the guy, i am making more
12:11 AM rue_: The next rings for the mecha are 838.8cm dia
12:11 AM rue_: I had like 3cm spare in the pipe I bent up
12:11 AM zhanx: nice
12:11 AM rue_: isn't that a telephone job for you tho?
12:11 AM rue_: why did he quit
12:11 AM rue_: might be something that makes you want to quit too
12:11 AM zhanx: no this is a Point of sales fixing job. he quit due to his dad dying
12:11 AM zhanx: he moved back to his family
12:12 AM zhanx: trust me this is easy stuff
12:12 AM rue_: good show
12:12 AM zhanx: calibrate a scale, run a cable etc
12:12 AM zhanx: i got it then my helper quit today
12:13 AM rue_: why did he quit
12:13 AM rue_: it might be something that makes you want to quit too
12:13 AM rue_: :)
12:13 AM zhanx: he wants to start his own business to compete
12:13 AM rue_: so, not enough pay for the trouble
12:13 AM zhanx: mind you he has no tools and only a bit of knowledge
12:13 AM zhanx: nope
12:14 AM rue_: its a lot of work to manage it all, doing the work is prettymuch the easy part
12:14 AM zhanx: my 2 cable dogs love the wage, and the fact they only run cable
12:14 AM zhanx: yep
12:14 AM rue_: I straddle a manage/do-work at my job
12:14 AM zhanx: trust me
12:14 AM zhanx: so now i am a 3 man company instead of 4
12:14 AM rue_: I get really frustrated with how much setup/telephone work some jobs take
12:15 AM zhanx: they do, i was at a TGI fridays today, and what should have been 45 minutes was 4 hours
12:16 AM rue_: I'd like to get better at lock picking for when I'm at a customers who's lost their electrical room key
12:16 AM zhanx: whoever jumper the 100 block to the 66 block changed the colors with a splice halfway or something
12:16 AM rue_: sit on my duff for a half hour while they talk to eveyone in town trying to find the key
12:17 AM zhanx: get a tennis ball
12:17 AM rue_: 25/50pr?
12:17 AM zhanx: yep
12:17 AM rue_: yea, prolly oops'ed the colours
12:17 AM zhanx: they did
12:17 AM rue_: splits/reversals happen
12:17 AM zhanx: so i had to tone out and label all the wires etc
12:18 AM rue_: lots of electrical closets I'v worked in have bad light too
12:18 AM rue_: orange light really dosn't help
12:18 AM zhanx: true, hence i carry my own light always
12:19 AM zhanx: after the fact, calling in TGI tech support to explain what they have, oh in 2006 they remodeled not sure why we didn't tell you
12:19 AM zhanx: I was look for the phone line that was extra
12:20 AM zhanx: but its not extra its a backup incase the internet fails but they didn't have that on record
12:20 AM rue_: heh
12:21 AM zhanx: but at least the judge on my speeding ticket was cool
12:21 AM rue_: oops
12:21 AM zhanx: he would not let me plead guilty to it
12:21 AM zhanx: its my first in 22 years
12:22 AM zhanx: so instead of 93 dollars court cost and 295 in fees, it was 93 in court cost and 12 in fees
12:22 AM rue_: stil, ouch
12:22 AM rue_: hows the 3d printer?
12:22 AM rue_: is it behaving?
12:23 AM zhanx: waiting on china part for that motor driver i killed
12:23 AM rue_: I want to check in on that and make sure your set up
12:23 AM zhanx: my y axis remember?
12:23 AM rue_: whaaat
12:23 AM rue_: didn't you have an extra driver?
12:23 AM zhanx: i unscrewed it too far and no
12:23 AM rue_: they usually come in 5
12:23 AM zhanx: 4 for what i ordered
12:23 AM rue_: ugh
12:23 AM zhanx: but its right now, we know that
12:24 AM zhanx: till i messed it up
12:24 AM rue_: well, I have a$50 I was given, I'm on ali, what do I buy...
12:24 AM rue_: then dial the current down on the mtoors till they stay a reasonable temp
12:24 AM rue_: ballscrews?
12:24 AM zhanx: i bought magnetic charging plugs for the tablets etc
12:24 AM rue_: can I even get ballscrews for $50?
12:24 AM zhanx: no
12:25 AM zhanx: get ramps boards for later
12:25 AM rue_: I have lots
12:25 AM zhanx: hmmmmmmmm
12:25 AM zhanx: stuff to re-purpose PET for filament?
12:26 AM rue_: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/12mm-1204-Ball-Screw-Rolled-C7-ballscrew-SFU1204-L400mm-with-one-1204-flange-single-ball-nut/330447_32730842813.html
12:26 AM zhanx: nice find
12:26 AM rue_: hmmmm
12:27 AM zhanx: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/12mm-1204-Ball-Screw-Rolled-C7-ballscrew-SFU1204-L800mm-with-one-1204-flange-single-ball-nut/32730768927.html?spm=2114.12010108.1000013.3.3246308cCF13z4&gps-id=pcDetailBottomMoreThisSeller&scm=1007.13339.99734.0&scm_id=1007.13339.99734.0&scm-url=1007.13339.99734.0&pvid=b75ef708-210c-49b4-b52c-a18277b115be
12:27 AM rue_: I think its a 4mm pitch
12:27 AM zhanx: it is
12:27 AM rue_: that one costs more
12:27 AM rue_: oh longer
12:28 AM rue_: yea, but, 40cm is enough for any cnc machine I can fit in the shop
12:28 AM zhanx: twice as long
12:28 AM zhanx: k
12:28 AM zhanx: the first link and my link are 4mm pitch
12:29 AM zhanx: minus china error of course
12:29 AM zhanx: lol. ok rue_ get this:
12:30 AM zhanx: If the pharmacy asks for a new computer tell them no. It is not in the scope of work and deal with it.
12:30 AM zhanx: straight from the manual
12:30 AM rue_: ?
12:30 AM zhanx: walmart guide
12:31 AM rue_: sounds like there is a story there
12:31 AM zhanx: i want to know it
12:31 AM zhanx: like why is it highlighted red and bold?
12:33 AM zhanx: rue_: tomorrow is a cake day for me. TV swaps all day in a hospital
12:33 AM rue_: heh
12:33 AM rue_: do they have employees fighting over all the old tv's?
12:33 AM zhanx: swapping 24 tv's out to flat screens
12:33 AM rue_: those care tv's are expensive
12:33 AM zhanx: no clue, i was told to take them and recycle them
12:34 AM rue_: #@$%$@& pillow speakers and their damn remote control codes
12:34 AM zhanx: these are in waiting areas
12:34 AM rue_: ok, I'll spend ~$25 on a ball screw and the rest on electronic parts
12:34 AM rue_: ah
12:35 AM rue_: good, having to navigate patient rooms sucks
12:35 AM zhanx: these are the ones that display approved content etc
12:35 AM rue_: ooh
12:36 AM zhanx: oh fun the guy that quit on me. just got an email, his background renewal failed
12:36 AM zhanx: dui
12:37 AM zhanx: i got mine first about 3 and then the other ones about every 4 hours till his
12:37 AM zhanx: now the story comes out
12:39 AM zhanx: if he would have told me i would not have cared, I drive most of the time anyways
12:39 AM zhanx: only time he drove was if i had calls to make
12:42 AM rue_: oops
12:59 AM rue_: I'm getting bad at this, I'v only found $11 worth of stuff
12:59 AM rue_: whats a 1/2" npt die cost?
01:00 AM zhanx: i wish i knew
01:00 AM rue_: $16, perfect
01:00 AM zhanx: link me
01:01 AM rue_: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/New-1pc-HSS-1-2-14-NPT-Taper-Pipe-Die-1-2-14-TPI/1499786_32702534281.html
01:01 AM rue_: I have a tap but no die
01:01 AM rue_: lathe dosn't have a compound feed
01:01 AM rue_: er, taper hardware
01:01 AM zhanx: need just that for my homebrew beer stuff
01:02 AM rue_: https://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/FREE-SHIPPING-1pcs-New-1pc-HSS-1-2-14-NPT-Taper-Pipe-Die-1-2-14/1405014_32604366247.html
01:02 AM rue_: that looks better
01:02 AM zhanx: and cheaper
01:02 AM zhanx: ok that was my alarm
01:02 AM zhanx: night
01:04 AM rue_: damnit I still ahve $3 left
01:04 AM zhanx: wires
01:04 AM rue_: I wonder if I can do an op-ended search in ali for $2
01:04 AM rue_: er $3
01:05 AM rue_: damnit, they need some kinda keyword
01:07 AM rue_: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/WALFRONT-1-4-Hex-Shank-Drill-Bit-HSS-Metric-Screw-Thread-Tap-Taper-Drill-Bits-Metric/32684376901.html
01:07 AM rue_: M3, thre's a buck-50 down
01:13 AM rue_: furrywolf, should I worry that your being so quiet over there?
05:41 AM Tom_L: i got tired of hauling lights around so i use a head lamp when i can't see what i'm doing
06:00 PM jennie: hello
06:06 PM Tom_shop: olah
06:07 PM jennie: can someone please help me with identifying cable type please? is it Rs232 to USB cable or just normal RS232 cable? but if its RS232 normal cable then why it has only 4 wires at other end? https://i.imgur.com/tuLi2w3.jpg
06:07 PM jennie: Tom_shop: ^
06:07 PM Tom_shop: can't click out in the shop
06:07 PM Tom_shop: sry
06:08 PM Tom_shop: running a mill off this pc
06:09 PM Tom_shop: tx rx gnd and +v
06:09 PM Tom_shop: are the 4 wires if i had to guess
07:51 PM zhanx: Tom_L: it was a RS232 cable to rj45 converter
07:53 PM rue_shop3: evil
07:53 PM rue_shop3: tho, the pinouts seem to be standardized
07:55 PM zhanx: they are
07:55 PM zhanx: 3456 for the pins etc
07:55 PM zhanx: gnd tx rx v+
07:59 PM rue_shop3: and handshake out from that
08:00 PM rue_shop3: actaully, I think your +v is a handshake officially
08:03 PM zhanx: tell you after tomorrow if i run into anyway. my work day was expanded at walmart
08:03 PM zhanx: them
08:04 PM zhanx: my stainless steel float came into today
08:05 PM zhanx: going to attempt a custom water level sensor for my rain water drum
08:08 PM rue_shop3: sealed end parallel wires
08:09 PM rue_shop3: the water causes the capacitance to come up
08:09 PM rue_shop3: the more capacitance, the more water is on the wire
08:09 PM zhanx: ?
08:09 PM rue_shop3: avr, charge one side high, other side set low
08:09 PM rue_shop3: high side high impenence, wait for it to go low
08:09 PM rue_shop3: time = capacitance
08:09 PM rue_shop3: capacitance = water level
08:10 PM rue_shop3: the capacitance from an led die can take up to 0.5 sec to dissipate to a low
08:11 PM furrywolf: my favorite level sensor used a hundred or so reed switches and resistors soldered in a long strip, and a magnet in the float. depending on which switch was on, it would short the resistor string at that point, giving a resistance -> level reading.
08:13 PM rue_shop3: how about the bubbler, with a pressure sensor on the feed
08:20 PM zhanx: maybe, I am working on home automation etc
08:20 PM zhanx: I want to ask what the water level is and get a response
08:21 PM furrywolf: my tank just has two sensors at the top (to add some hysterisis), just reading "needs more water" or "has enough water".
08:23 PM rue_: oooh, I just got 10pcs 74hc238, but I'v never ordered any
08:24 PM rue_: which of the 70 pending orders is this a screwup for?
08:25 PM furrywolf: lol
08:31 PM rue_: oh i did
08:31 PM rue_: huh
08:32 PM furrywolf: LOL
08:32 PM rue_: my search didn't find it
08:33 PM rue_: hard when you ahve 70 things on the go at once
08:33 PM rue_: I'm kina using the postal system as extra storage ;)
08:34 PM * furrywolf doesn't have enough money to order that much stuff
08:37 PM rue_: your living with a thin margin
08:40 PM rue_: hahahaha
08:40 PM rue_: I just had a captya that forced me to give a wrong answer
08:41 PM rue_: it wanted the busses, but insisted I click one with a moving truck
08:45 PM furrywolf: thin margins are generally a fact of life, unless you're getting free money somehow.
08:46 PM zhanx: thin margins?
08:46 PM rue_: I'v landed good jobs
08:46 PM zhanx: furry your in america, whats your hourly wage?
08:47 PM rue_: haha I dont know what I make
08:47 PM rue_: I wonder if I can find a paystub
08:48 PM zhanx: depends on the week for me
08:49 PM zhanx: this week i am fully booked out. next week so far is one job
09:10 PM rue_shop3: ok I need a knot
09:10 PM rue_shop3: I have two pipes with a coupler
09:10 PM rue_shop3: I need to tie something to twh two pipes and ratchet them togethor
09:11 PM rue_shop3: I was NOT in boyscouts, solutions?
09:11 PM zhanx: side by side?\
09:11 PM zhanx: or inline?
09:14 PM zhanx: if they are in line use a timber hitch with a in line knot to another timber hitch as the base
09:16 PM rue_shop3: inline
09:16 PM rue_shop3: its the rings
09:16 PM zhanx: k
09:16 PM rue_shop3: but I have another problem
09:16 PM zhanx: the inline know dont google it
09:16 PM zhanx: its wrong
09:16 PM rue_shop3: a) I didn't cut one of them to length yet
09:16 PM zhanx: take 3 loops around your hand
09:16 PM furrywolf: two chokers and a comealong. :)
09:17 PM rue_shop3: b) their curved, and with the curve I'd not be able to fit the come-along in there even if I had soemthing to attach it to
09:17 PM rue_shop3: furrywolf, :)
09:17 PM rue_shop3: ok, well, I'll start with the angle grider and a cutoff disk
09:17 PM rue_shop3: c
09:17 PM zhanx: start from the rear, under over and repeat 3 times from front to rear will make a 3 bar locking knot inline
09:17 PM rue_shop3: zhanx, hu?
09:18 PM rue_shop3: is that like a noose knot?
09:18 PM zhanx: i have rope can take pictures to aid you, I learned knots and ropes in Airborne, Air Assault and SF training. no!
09:19 PM rue_shop3: how about I'll cut a pipe and take a pic
09:19 PM zhanx: k
09:19 PM * furrywolf has no knot-tying abilities either
09:19 PM furrywolf: good thing I'm not into rope bondage.
09:19 PM zhanx: i can tie a knot for anything.
09:20 PM zhanx: comes in handy
09:20 PM zhanx: also need to know the type of rope
09:20 PM zhanx: I know you want a 80% or better load knot before shearing
09:21 PM zhanx: i bet all rue needs is fraps and wraps with a roll and a tie off
09:24 PM rue_shop3: hah it gets better
09:25 PM rue_shop3: after i cut the ring to length, the peices just fit togethor by hand
09:25 PM rue_shop3: I'll see how the next ring goes
09:25 PM rue_shop3: the last one I did put up quite a fight
09:25 PM zhanx: trying to make my job of the right knot harder
09:26 PM rue_shop3: me and budies were hammering on it from all sides trying to get the final pieces togethor
09:26 PM zhanx: pics?
09:28 PM rue_: ...
09:29 PM furrywolf: urgh. I need to be useful, but I'm too tired.
09:29 PM rue_: wait for it...
09:30 PM zhanx: i am redesigning my redesign
09:30 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1100581.jpg
09:30 PM zhanx: rue you see the sonoff modules?
09:30 PM rue_: hah, it takes me longer to find the images than to posst them
09:30 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1100582.jpg
09:30 PM zhanx: nice
09:30 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1100583.jpg
09:30 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1100584.jpg
09:31 PM zhanx: rue just weld that
09:31 PM rue_: the long boards on that table are 10 feet
09:31 PM rue_: yes, I need to check the table for level again, then, yea
09:32 PM rue_: the big ring will just fit...
09:32 PM rue_: furrywolf, well?
09:32 PM furrywolf: well what?
09:32 PM rue_: big ring?
09:32 PM furrywolf: what about it?
09:33 PM rue_: its been a hell of a project so far
09:33 PM rue_: and its not even started
09:33 PM furrywolf: I don't know what it's for.
09:33 PM rue_: https://www.xtreme-events.de/wp-content/uploads/aerotrim-verleih.jpg
09:33 PM rue_: motorized attitude cage for piloting a 12' mecha
09:34 PM furrywolf: that looks unpleasant.
09:34 PM rue_: thankfully, the mecha will not be doing that
09:34 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1100309.jpg
09:34 PM rue_: there is the innermost
09:35 PM rue_: need to make 2 more, each 6" larger, then a stand
09:35 PM rue_: how many times do i ahve to tell myself I'm insane before its true?
09:35 PM * furrywolf can't do projects like that, due to not having a shed, shop, garage,...
09:35 PM rue_: you would like to tho, wouldn't ya
09:36 PM furrywolf: not really, no.
09:36 PM rue_: ... ok
09:36 PM furrywolf: closest thing I'd build would be a kinetic sculpture. (of the kinetic sculpture racing variety)
09:37 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/mecha1/p1080051.jpg
09:37 PM rue_: ?
09:37 PM rue_: 100% scrap!
09:38 PM rue_: well, that is to say, scrap scrap, as it was scrap when I got it and thats the scrap from my scrap...
09:38 PM zhanx: well republicans won another multi million dollar race that the democrats wasted 10 million on in Ohio
09:40 PM zhanx: rue_: you Canadian democrats need to schools ours about wasting money hand over fist.
09:40 PM rue_: were burning ours on a pipeline
09:40 PM zhanx: thats 85 million or so wasted this year on elections that will not matter in about 9 months
09:41 PM zhanx: you need that pipeline
09:41 PM zhanx: what you need more is refineries
09:42 PM rue_: no, we need solar incentive programs
09:42 PM zhanx: wind not solar
09:42 PM rue_: and electric vehicle insentives
09:43 PM zhanx: as much as we drive electric is not an option
09:43 PM zhanx: I have drove 500 miles so far this week
09:44 PM rue_: how far per day tho, you can charge up at night
09:44 PM rue_: less than 1.3 the cost of gas
09:44 PM rue_: haha
09:44 PM rue_: 1/3
09:44 PM zhanx: well tomorrow i could use electric, but Thursday no way
09:45 PM * furrywolf burns about ten gallons of gas a day
09:45 PM zhanx: plus you have to account for tools weight etc, and I am still 6'5" 270
09:46 PM zhanx: rue_: I was thinking about one of ford or whatever it is sprinter trucks, ever used one?
09:47 PM zhanx: the inline 6 panel truck for commercial use.
09:47 PM furrywolf: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBAcJ3BP_GM that's happening a couple hours east of here... it may look small, but it's a F3 tornado, with recorded 143mph winds... of fire.
09:48 PM rue_: :/
09:48 PM zhanx: i know its bad, but wow that is cool
09:48 PM rue_: I have a bedroom you can stay in
09:48 PM furrywolf: it's a long way from here
09:48 PM rue_: I'll even lie for ya and say its some kinda work trip and we need your special expertise
09:49 PM rue_: just dont make me name it
09:49 PM zhanx: no call it a vacation and he is employed
09:49 PM zhanx: i cross the border all the time with tools
09:49 PM furrywolf: the other big fire, a couple hours south of here, is now the largest in california's history.
09:49 PM zhanx: i just toss them in the corner in the rear, and put a bag of clothes in the back.
09:50 PM rue_: zhanx, is there a national fire map?
09:50 PM rue_: we have one
09:50 PM rue_: somewhere
09:50 PM zhanx: that is because California sucks for controlled burns due to the air quality department no approving controlled burns
09:50 PM zhanx: rue yes there is
09:51 PM Tom_L: ok. 4.4 hrs machine time on those things
09:51 PM zhanx: but in cali's case its the local government being dumb
09:51 PM Tom_L: not quite as bad as i thought it was gonna be
09:51 PM zhanx: Tom_L: what did you make?
09:52 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Skate_truck/Skate_truck3.jpg
09:52 PM Tom_L: not complete there
09:53 PM zhanx: but i still know what it is. and I was like wait Tom boards?
09:53 PM Tom_L: roller skate plates
09:53 PM zhanx: that for the kid or you?
09:53 PM furrywolf: looks like you need to tram your mill.
09:53 PM Tom_L: kids
09:54 PM Tom_L: it always looks worse in pics
09:54 PM zhanx: tom when i get a chance I have a probe I need made if you get time for a printer i want to build
09:54 PM zhanx: same as the last one just smaller
09:55 PM Tom_L: i didn't see the last one
09:55 PM zhanx: you made it
09:55 PM Tom_L: i did?
09:55 PM zhanx: yes
09:55 PM Tom_L: heh
09:55 PM Tom_L: i'm not using mine
09:55 PM Tom_L: i'm not even sure where it is
09:55 PM zhanx: you made the probe for my cnc that was stolen of object detection
09:56 PM zhanx: for not of
09:56 PM zhanx: i got a buddy that is a union plumber
09:57 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/emc/small_probe7_small.jpg
09:57 PM Tom_L: that?
09:57 PM zhanx: he is saving the 1" diameter stainless steel pipe for me
09:57 PM zhanx: yep that
09:57 PM Tom_L: that needs work imo
09:57 PM zhanx: but it did work also
09:57 PM Tom_L: but i made it with what i had
09:58 PM Tom_L: the ball seats weren't just right
09:58 PM zhanx: just don't move the head in x or y
09:59 PM Tom_L: i can't even remember how i did those now :)
10:00 PM zhanx: well it was a while ago
10:00 PM Tom_L: alot of things i just make to see if i can and discard the drawings etc
10:01 PM Tom_L: wow.. i have no idea where i put that stuff or if i even kept it
10:01 PM Tom_L: the jig etc
10:02 PM zhanx: lol, wal-mart approved me to change out the cash room pc finally
10:02 PM zhanx: i am suppose to do it at 9 am tomorrow
10:02 PM Tom_L: take em off line?
10:03 PM zhanx: yep
10:03 PM Tom_L: that should be fun
10:03 PM Tom_L: nobody they hire can count change
10:03 PM zhanx: I did a renewal of my background check for this job. And then they added the cash room
10:03 PM Tom_L: ok, shower and bed for me...
10:03 PM zhanx: you are right on that
10:24 PM rue_shop3: ok I cut the other pipe
10:24 PM rue_shop3: so, I should weld up the one I set up tommoorw
10:53 PM furrywolf: bbl, wolfy bedtime