#garfield Logs
Apr 28 2018
#garfield Calendar
12:00 AM rue_: avr-objcopy -j .text -j .data -O ihex main.elf main.hex
12:03 AM rue_: ^^ is your final command, it should generate main.hex
12:03 AM katsmeow: 124 bytes?
12:03 AM rue_: try reading as text
12:03 AM katsmeow: ok, i tried
12:03 AM rue_: :hexadecimalnumbersgalore
12:03 AM rue_: :morehexadecimalnumbers
12:03 AM katsmeow: :1000000000C000000197009701F40895009701F0E7
12:03 AM katsmeow: :100010002FEF3FEF00002150310901F4019701F467
12:03 AM katsmeow: :0400200008950895A2
12:03 AM katsmeow: :00000001FF
12:03 AM rue_: :notmanynumbers
12:03 AM rue_: yupper!
12:03 AM rue_: ok, do you remember how to upload that to the avr (using avrdude)
12:03 AM katsmeow: no, depressed and nonfunctional
12:03 AM rue_: avrdude -c dragon-isp -P usb -p t2313 -e -U flash:w:main.hex
12:03 AM rue_: ~I think~
12:04 AM katsmeow: what pin you want the led on?
12:04 AM rue_: B0 which is...
12:04 AM katsmeow: 176
12:05 AM rue_: says pin 12
12:07 AM katsmeow: D:\AVR-stuff\bin>avrdude -c dragon-isp -P usb -p t2313 -e -U flash:w:D:\AVR-stu
12:07 AM katsmeow: f\main.hex
12:07 AM katsmeow: avrdude: invalid file format '\AVR-stuff\main.hex' in update specifier
12:07 AM katsmeow: avrdude: error parsing update operation 'flash:w:D:\AVR-stuff\main.hex'
12:07 AM rue_: same program, it if works, nothing should change
12:07 AM rue_: its hanging up on the D: remember?
12:07 AM katsmeow: yeas, i remember
12:07 AM rue_: do you remember hwo you fixed it?
12:09 AM katsmeow: D:\AVR-stuff>D:\AVR-stuff\bin\avrdude -c dragon-isp -P usb -p t2313 -e -U flash:
12:09 AM katsmeow: w:main.hex
12:09 AM katsmeow: avrdude: Can't find programmer id "dragon-isp"
12:09 AM rue_: I got the name wrong?
12:10 AM rue_: dragon_isp
12:10 AM rue_: avrdude -c dragon_isp -P usb -p t2313 -e -U flash:w:main.hex
12:11 AM katsmeow: it did a bunch of stuff and the lite stopped blinking
12:11 AM rue_: then started again?
12:11 AM katsmeow: no
12:12 AM katsmeow: lst 4 lines of screen dump is:
12:12 AM katsmeow: avrdude: verifying ...
12:12 AM katsmeow: avrdude: 36 bytes of flash verified
12:12 AM katsmeow: avrdude: safemode: Fuses OK
12:12 AM katsmeow: avrdude done. Thank you.
12:12 AM rue_: did avrdude say it falshed the hex file?
12:12 AM rue_: ok
12:12 AM rue_: what did I do wrong....
12:12 AM katsmeow: avrdude: Device signature = 0x1e910a
12:12 AM katsmeow: avrdude: erasing chip
12:12 AM katsmeow: avrdude: reading input file "main.hex"
12:12 AM katsmeow: avrdude: input file main.hex auto detected as Intel Hex
12:12 AM katsmeow: avrdude: writing flash (36 bytes):
12:12 AM katsmeow: Writing | ################################################## | 100% 0.22s
12:12 AM katsmeow: avrdude: 36 bytes of flash written
12:13 AM rue_: its a tiny2313 or a 902313
12:13 AM rue_: tiny2313 right?
12:13 AM katsmeow: tiny
12:13 AM rue_: ok
12:14 AM katsmeow: i posted pic of it
12:14 AM rue_: I'm working on figuring out what might have happened
12:14 AM rue_: maybe make a batch file
12:14 AM katsmeow: pin 17 is held high, is that correct?
12:14 AM rue_: D:\AVR-stuff\bin\avr-as main.asm -o main.elf
12:14 AM rue_: D:\AVR-stuff\bin\avr-objcopy -j .text -j .data -O ihex main.elf main.hex
12:14 AM rue_: D:\AVR-stuff\bin\avrdude -c dragon_isp -P usb -p t2313 -e -U flash:w:main.hex
12:15 AM rue_: 20 pin chip, right?
12:15 AM * katsmeow nods
12:15 AM rue_: 17 wont matter, pin 1 should have a pullup resistor, 10k
12:15 AM katsmeow: doesn't
12:16 AM katsmeow: but it's tied to the dragon thru the ribbon cable
12:16 AM rue_: ok
12:17 AM rue_: I'm typing as fast as I can here, please sit by
12:18 AM rue_: uh, strange
12:18 AM rue_: the *program* is missing
12:18 AM rue_: I have to work on this kat
12:19 AM * katsmeow powers it all down so a short won;t hurt anything
12:19 AM rue_: the process I thought would work didn't
12:19 AM rue_: but the programs ran fine, which is good
12:19 AM rue_: the source code is just screwed up
12:21 AM rue_: yea, *this* will take me a while to figure out
12:21 AM rue_: did you make up a .bat file?
12:22 AM rue_: I'd liek to close the editor I put your bat file clues in
12:22 AM katsmeow: i have nothing to put in a bat file?
12:22 AM rue_: D:\AVR-stuff\bin\avr-as main.asm -o main.elf
12:22 AM rue_: D:\AVR-stuff\bin\avr-objcopy -j .text -j .data -O ihex main.elf main.hex
12:22 AM rue_: D:\AVR-stuff\bin\avrdude -c dragon_isp -P usb -p t2313 -e -U flash:w:main.hex
12:22 AM rue_: compile.bat ?
12:23 AM katsmeow: maded it, rues.bat
12:24 AM rue_: ok, I will figure out source code that works!
12:24 AM rue_: then we can make a nice clean asm program template for ya
12:24 AM rue_: and its prettymuch up to you from there
12:24 AM katsmeow: to peek andpoke, no assembler?
12:25 AM katsmeow: no interpreter?
12:25 AM katsmeow: bascom ?
12:25 AM * katsmeow thinks of other nix words she heard before
12:25 AM rue_: those are the programs that take the asm and assemble it for you
12:25 AM rue_: you dont need to look up your own opcodes
12:25 AM katsmeow: ok
12:25 AM rue_: you just write the command names and the values, like that asm example I gave you before
12:26 AM rue_: which was for gavrasm, so I need to come up with a working avr-as source file
12:26 AM katsmeow: o
12:26 AM rue_: and that shoudl have worked
12:26 AM rue_: but I messed up somwehre
12:27 AM rue_: OH THERE IS THE PROBLEM!!!!
12:27 AM rue_: TEA: 0%
12:30 AM katsmeow: which reminds me, did they find any blood in your caffine stream ?
12:30 AM rue_: I dont drink coffee
12:30 AM rue_: there was some blood in the cholesterol tho
12:31 AM katsmeow: tea has caffine
12:31 AM * rue_ scratches his head
12:31 AM rue_: ah good point
12:32 AM rue_: so the same program, compiled directly from C and compiled via assembler, comes out completely differently
12:32 AM rue_: WTF>!
12:33 AM katsmeow: it's a nix feature
12:33 AM rue_: so kat, did you look over the instruction set document yet?
12:34 AM katsmeow: depressed and nonfunctional
12:37 AM rue_: maybe just flip thru it and look at the diagrams of bit position changes
12:37 AM katsmeow: knowing i cannot program the chip with anything i find interesting?
12:37 AM rue_: hu?
12:37 AM rue_: thought youwant to use it for home automation?
12:37 AM katsmeow: i do, and other things
12:37 AM rue_: your gonna want to know the instructions...
12:37 AM katsmeow: but the last set of programming only turned the led off, it didn;t do anything else
12:37 AM katsmeow: ergo, the bat file is not functional either
12:37 AM rue_: the bat file works perfect
12:38 AM katsmeow: but all it did was turn tioeh led off
12:38 AM rue_: it took the source we gave it, generated a .hex file, and pushed it to the avr
12:38 AM rue_: because the source I gave you is screwed up, which I'v been working on since we realized it didnt work
12:38 AM rue_: I'm not just watching youtube videos!
12:39 AM katsmeow: i did not think you wee on youtube
12:39 AM rue_: ok
12:39 AM katsmeow: my brain isnot working on higher levels, i am dep,, oh nvm
12:40 AM rue_: did you forget I can read past most parity errors?
12:40 AM katsmeow: yes
12:58 AM rue_: huh, this is turning the world as I understood it sideways
12:58 AM katsmeow: i believe it
12:59 AM katsmeow: C is sideways enough already
12:59 AM rue_: I have a new idea
12:59 AM rue_: I'll compile it from c, then reverse it back to asm from the compiler output
01:02 AM * katsmeow looks clueless somemore
01:16 AM rue_: qok kat, you still awake?
01:17 AM rue_: this looks like it'll work
01:17 AM rue_: and its much prettier
01:17 AM katsmeow: oh
01:17 AM * rue_ 'accidently' drops a few pots and pans
01:18 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/avr/t2313/main.asm
01:18 AM rue_: re-wget
01:19 AM rue_: and then lets just run the new batch file on it
01:19 AM rue_: should perform automagic
01:19 AM rue_: much more readable source eh?
01:19 AM rue_: TEA: 12.5%
01:19 AM katsmeow: oops, gotta plug the stuff back in
01:23 AM rue_: mkay, didn't know if I'd figure that out tonight!
01:23 AM katsmeow: avrdude: verifying ...
01:23 AM katsmeow: avrdude: 144 bytes of flash verified
01:23 AM katsmeow: avrdude: safemode: Fuses OK
01:23 AM katsmeow: avrdude done. Thank you.
01:23 AM katsmeow: nothing happening
01:23 AM katsmeow: pin 12?
01:23 AM rue_: pin 12 should be it
01:23 AM rue_: same pin as before iirc
01:23 AM katsmeow: no led
01:23 AM rue_: the hex file
01:23 AM rue_: are there a lot more lines?
01:23 AM katsmeow: 418 bytes
01:23 AM rue_: 10 instead of 4
01:23 AM rue_: ok
01:23 AM katsmeow: 10 lines
01:23 AM rue_: :) sweet!
01:23 AM rue_: ok, whats still wrong...
01:24 AM rue_: oh yea, ok, the working and the new hex file are same size, and compeltely different contents...
01:24 AM rue_: hmm
01:26 AM rue_: ooo the boot vector was...erased...
01:27 AM katsmeow: that's rue's fault
01:28 AM rue_: you would think that softare thats been compiled to binary, dissassembled to asm, and reassembled, would dissassemble to the same source as the middle step...
01:28 AM * rue_ mashes it with a hammer more...
01:29 AM rue_: "MINOR ADJUSTMENT, STAND BY..." smash smash smash smash...
01:30 AM * katsmeow depowers
01:30 AM katsmeow: less current flows in a short if there is no voltage
01:31 AM rue_: SMASH SMASH SMASH SMASH ..." looking good, stand by! " SMASH SMASH SMASH SMASH
01:36 AM * rue_ stops to observe that the smashie has destroyed the hammer...
01:36 AM rue_: ??!?!@?#$?!@#$!@#$
01:37 AM katsmeow: always use a solid fiberglass handle, or weld on steel handle
01:38 AM katsmeow: i welded in a 3/4 rebar to a sledge head, then laid 1.25 pipe over that ad welded that too, and then poured the pipe, with the rebar in it, solid with resin
01:38 AM katsmeow: it's over 20 lbs and pretty solid
01:38 AM * rue_ makes a sad face and points to the destroyed HEAD on the hammer...
01:39 AM katsmeow: mushroomed them too, no cure, sorry
01:39 AM rue_: all the jumps....
01:39 AM rue_: not just the ones I was trying to fix, are broken
01:39 AM katsmeow: preventative: if you kow it will mushroom, weld some grade 8 to it first
01:40 AM rue_: futhermore, they are not working by name OR offset
01:40 AM katsmeow: i dunno
01:41 AM rue_: its avr-as
01:41 AM rue_: a syntax is a LOT different than I'm expecting
01:45 AM rue_: OOPS
01:45 AM rue_: the assembler dosn't link
01:47 AM rue_: :/
01:47 AM rue_: haha
01:47 AM rue_: linking makes addresses
01:47 AM rue_: ok kat!
01:47 AM rue_: edit batch file!
01:48 AM katsmeow: k
01:48 AM rue_: D:\AVR-stuff\bin\avr-as main.asm -o main.o
01:48 AM rue_: D:\AVR-stuff\bin\avr-ld main.o -o main.elf
01:48 AM rue_: D:\AVR-stuff\bin\avr-objcopy -j .text -j .data -O ihex main.elf main.hex
01:48 AM rue_: D:\AVR-stuff\bin\avrdude -c dragon_isp -P usb -p t2313 -e -U flash:w:main.hex
01:48 AM rue_: the process is asm->object->elf->hex
01:49 AM rue_: I tried, apparently, so skip the object stage, which left ALL address references 0x0000
01:49 AM rue_: and that dosn't produce good jumps
01:49 AM rue_: if you run it on that same source, it should work
01:51 AM * rue_ waits
01:51 AM * rue_ nudges a pot off the counter edge
01:51 AM katsmeow: itwerks!
01:51 AM rue_: yay!
01:51 AM rue_: AND the source code is human readable (mostly)
01:52 AM rue_: ok, I think thats a night!
01:52 AM rue_: yea?
01:53 AM katsmeow: <__bad_interrupt> ?
01:53 AM katsmeow: __ctors_end: ?
01:53 AM rue_: bad interrupt is to catch interrupts that are enabled, but have not had code (otherwise) written to handle them
01:54 AM rue_: ctors reffers to that table of interrupt vectors
01:54 AM katsmeow: why are they enabled by default ?
01:54 AM rue_: they are not
01:54 AM rue_: its a catch for dumbell coders, like the general internet community
01:54 AM katsmeow: what does ctors mean ?
01:54 AM rue_: ctors reffers to that table of interrupt vectors
01:54 AM rue_: ctors_end, is the first mem loc after that interrupt table
01:55 AM rue_: r1, is used by the C compiler to store 0
01:55 AM rue_: instead of 0, they use r1
01:55 AM rue_: (register 1, think of 6502 address 0x00)
01:56 AM rue_: er, they use mem loc 63
01:56 AM rue_: ok, hah, brain is melting after what it took me to get that working
01:57 AM katsmeow: ok, tomorrow then
01:57 AM rue_: might have melted my keyboard a bit too
01:57 AM rue_: http://nerdathome.blogspot.ca/2008/04/avr-as-usage-tutorial.html
01:57 AM rue_: save link katsmeow!
01:58 AM katsmeow: it's in FF now
01:59 AM rue_: I hope you dont mind my ass-backwards approach to doing this avr stuff with ya
01:59 AM rue_: I do find it easier to start from the end and work back to the beggining
01:59 AM katsmeow: if i manage to understand it, its good
02:00 AM rue_: well, now you have a batch file that will take assembly source and push it into an avr
02:00 AM * katsmeow ods, once i can understand that..... it is 2am here
02:03 AM katsmeow: wait.... http://nerdathome.blogspot.ca/2008/04/avr-as-usage-tutorial.html is about using avr-as in nix, not winders
02:03 AM rue_: same difference
02:04 AM rue_: the source format and the program names you run are the same
02:04 AM katsmeow: o
02:15 AM rue_: oh, supper, yea....
02:15 AM rue_: that explains why I feel like this
02:16 AM katsmeow: i do not think i ate either
02:20 AM rue_: Iputs some soup on stove
02:20 AM rue_: now I have to stay awake for it
02:21 AM rue_: zhanx, katsmeow I need to suspend a human, whats a multipoint harnes good for?
02:21 AM rue_: 5? 6 point?
02:21 AM rue_: dunno about them
02:22 AM katsmeow: depends on howmuch money you have
02:22 AM rue_: for this bit? hmmm about $6!!
02:22 AM katsmeow: many are only 2, because they intend to hold the body in only one position
02:23 AM rue_: I need a good hold
02:23 AM rue_: the idea is to be suspended by that point on your back you cant quite reach
02:25 AM rue_: eeek! $21 from china!
02:25 AM rue_: these ARE expensive!
02:25 AM katsmeow: you might need to look in bondage shops
02:26 AM katsmeow: or make your ow
02:26 AM katsmeow: owN
02:26 AM rue_: /:| we dont have any...
02:26 AM katsmeow: no bondage shops, even online??
02:27 AM rue_: oh geez!
02:27 AM rue_: yea $21, shipping $78
02:28 AM katsmeow: get some seatbelts from recycled cars, and a supply of D rings, take to a sewing person, and have them attached, bring hole, loop around your body and pin them where they belong, goback to sweingperson and freakthem out
02:28 AM katsmeow: err, bring hoMe
02:29 AM katsmeow: oh, i remember, i had a really bad slice ofold pizza 6 or 7 hrs ago
02:37 AM rue_: hey, maybe the plane guys have an old parachute kit
02:37 AM rue_: must be a good strap set in that
02:39 AM * rue_ hopes this is the only time he has to google for hot to put on a parachute
02:39 AM katsmeow: parachutes will have only 2 rings too, i think
02:40 AM rue_: but are designed to suspend a human
02:40 AM katsmeow: maybe some have a set front and a set rear, but all just below shoulders
02:40 AM katsmeow: none at waist or knees or ankles
02:41 AM katsmeow: seems few people wanna hang from a chute by their ankles
02:41 AM katsmeow: but, maybe bungeecord jumpers do
02:42 AM katsmeow: yu may wanna consider a set at writs too, so arms don;t get loose and wander into machinery, and the hands stay close to the grab bars
02:42 AM katsmeow: be a sad day to get both wrists broken between a set of rings
02:43 AM rue_: if I get the size right, there is no ability to touch and of it
02:43 AM rue_: hmm, googles results are varried
02:43 AM rue_: maybe I should ask zhanx
02:44 AM rue_: even after filtering out the adult toys, its still a wide range of results
02:44 AM rue_: lots of fall gear mixed in too
02:46 AM katsmeow: in movie "9 to 5", the secretaries kidnapped their boss, and hooked him to the garage door opener, so they could winch him up to the ceiling to get him out of the way
02:52 AM * katsmeow ponders something that nukes fast and is tastey
02:54 AM * katsmeow ponders hacking the usbisp to be a general duty usb-to-serial convertor
02:54 AM rue_: we can set it up later
02:55 AM rue_: I want to get you all up and going first
02:55 AM rue_: and your really close
02:58 AM katsmeow: thank you
02:58 AM katsmeow: "shrimp" ramen, hot sauce, chopped mackrel, and italian salid dressing
02:58 AM rue_: fancy!
02:58 AM katsmeow: in appropriate qtys, of course
02:59 AM rue_: oooh, hmm
02:59 AM rue_: 4 pts with a loop there...
03:04 AM katsmeow: will you always be upright in the rings, or will someone be there to turn you any which way they want you?
03:04 AM katsmeow: because if the rings are in back to hold you face-down, they may not be right if you are face-up
03:04 AM rue_: not neccisarily
03:05 AM rue_: you might be upside down or sideways
03:05 AM katsmeow: and, tehre' the problem of suffocating if upside down too long
03:05 AM rue_: depending on the orientation of the 12' mecha
03:05 AM katsmeow: or the harrness gettig so slippery you fall out in a bad way after barfing
03:07 AM rue_: well, definitly gonna fall out with no harness
03:15 AM katsmeow: someone had an exercise routine for one of thos rigs, way back when
03:15 AM katsmeow: maybe if you put xmas tree lite strings onit, and put in frontyard, you could charge peopleto ride on it
03:15 AM rue_: might expalin some things
03:45 AM katsmeow: heh, no wonder FF had not crashedlately,i didn;t have ebay loaded
03:50 AM katsmeow: i ordered 2w metal film resistors, the tag with them says carbon film,,,, they have that ceramic look of metal, how else cani tellthe difference?
03:50 AM katsmeow: cut it open?
04:03 AM katsmeow: gnites
10:50 AM rue_bed: one voice says sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep the other getup getup getup
11:07 AM Tom_L: who won?
11:23 AM rue_: well I had a shower
11:23 AM rue_: I have 40 mins to get ready for visitors
12:50 PM Tom_L: flower and vase kind or solder and pcb kind?
02:19 PM rue_: sodler and pcb kind
02:20 PM rue_: flower and vase, what kinda operation do you think I'm running here?
02:20 PM Tom_shop: a somewhat sketchy one
02:42 PM rue_: THOSE ARE SCHEMATICS, THAT DOSN'T COUNT.
05:24 PM Tom_L: ok i think i'm finally figuring out this plane crap
05:35 PM Tom_itx: https://youtu.be/1eGatPvK1wY
05:36 PM Tom_L: took friggin long enough
05:36 PM Tom_L: their documentation is poor at best
05:38 PM Tom_L: that will be helpful in the future
10:01 PM zhanx: rue_: i got progress
10:02 PM rue_: ok
10:02 PM rue_: I need to suspend a human
10:02 PM zhanx: rue before i zip tie these down
10:02 PM zhanx: https://imgur.com/a/1RCZ6sQ
10:02 PM rue_: should I go for a 6 point or a parachute harness?
10:02 PM zhanx: should i put them on rod first?
10:02 PM zhanx: parachute
10:03 PM zhanx: finallly took apart the roller blades. 3 whees = enough bearings for the printer, So i have enough bears to make another one
10:04 PM rue_: can you find me a GOOD image of a parachute harness, cause there is a lot of junk in the google results and i have no idea
10:04 PM zhanx: yes i ordered the linear
10:04 PM zhanx: k
10:04 PM rue_: yea, I'm looking and thinking
10:04 PM rue_: no need to put them on the rod first, but I recommend grease packing them after a test prefit
10:05 PM zhanx: let me hit up the jumpmaster school
10:05 PM rue_: "cut the blue wire, after having tied togethor the red and white wires"
10:05 PM rue_: I think your good with just about any order, I'm trying to remember, and I did each differently
10:06 PM rue_: test fit the bearings tho
10:06 PM zhanx: k, i will test fit and pack them first
10:06 PM rue_: 1 thou either way and their slack or they jamb
10:06 PM rue_: I can pass you my designs to avoid them when your ready
10:07 PM zhanx: http://www.benning.army.mil/infantry/rtb/1-507th/jumpmaster/content/PDF/Nomenclature%20packet.pdf <- page 22
10:08 PM rue_: huh big
10:10 PM zhanx: see rue i waited to ask you on the bearings before i made the mistake
10:10 PM zhanx: i am learning
10:10 PM rue_: :)
10:11 PM rue_: there are a billion solutions, most of which level out the same
10:11 PM zhanx: yep
10:11 PM zhanx: some are easier that others
10:11 PM katsmeow: yep, just kiss them with the file, or belt sander
10:12 PM rue_: ok, I think 16 goes to 12
10:12 PM katsmeow: sorry
10:12 PM rue_: or maybe 11
10:12 PM zhanx: ?
10:12 PM rue_: katsmeow, ?
10:12 PM katsmeow: i butted in
10:12 PM zhanx: i am lost
10:13 PM rue_: katsmeow, its irc, you cant butt in
10:13 PM rue_: aka, your good.
10:13 PM katsmeow: i said i was sorry
10:13 PM zhanx: but kat is right, i need to kiss the washers with a sander to make them smaller than the bears where needed
10:14 PM rue_: you can smack 'em with a ballpeen to cup them too
10:14 PM rue_: if your assembling it like I think ya are
10:14 PM zhanx: that would be easier
10:14 PM rue_: turns out, the belts dragging on the stationary washers is a problem
10:15 PM katsmeow: set them over the open end of a impact socket, put the mpact extension over the washer hole, whack withbaby sledge
10:15 PM rue_: ooo
10:15 PM zhanx: what would work also
10:15 PM katsmeow: i made a jig to form fender washers to fit on 5V roofing tin too
10:15 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap/p1070117.jpg
10:16 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap/p1070116.jpg
10:16 PM zhanx: cloths pin?
10:16 PM rue_: na, random printer spring
10:16 PM * katsmeow looks concerned about the lack of nylocks
10:17 PM rue_: I changed the one for X cause it was dragging too much, used the lathe and made a good pulley to press the bearing into
10:17 PM rue_: kat, after the 3rd week of tweeks, they stay
10:17 PM katsmeow: epoxy?
10:17 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap/p1070121.jpg
10:17 PM rue_: no, they just stay
10:17 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap/p1070120.jpg
10:18 PM rue_: geez, how many pics of that did I take?
10:18 PM zhanx: show me your bed mounts
10:19 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap/p1060940.jpg
10:19 PM rue_: oh I'm using the printed one that came with the kit
10:19 PM rue_: thought I changed it
10:19 PM rue_: bed mount: general: bearings -> alu plate -> 3x spacer screws -> glass
10:20 PM zhanx: 3 bearings then also?
10:20 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/house/dscn7993.jpg
10:20 PM rue_: er, wait
10:21 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/p1090677.jpg << not what I'm looking for
10:22 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/p1090684.jpg <-- using those bearing mounts was a mistake
10:23 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/slide.htm <-- step 1, "aluminum" plate, as you can see here, I have a sheet of AlO3
10:23 PM rue_: :)
10:23 PM rue_: damnit
10:23 PM rue_: tryt hat again
10:23 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/p1090734.jpg <-- step 1, "aluminum" plate, as you can see here, I have a sheet of AlO3
10:24 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/p1090743.jpg <-- step 1.5, bolted to bearings, with 3 "riser" screws
10:24 PM zhanx: that was what i was looking for
10:25 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/p1090751.jpg <-- there is a space that you can fit the belt drive into
10:25 PM rue_: I have 'pads' I printed that the screws cup into
10:25 PM rue_: I use springs to pull down on the glass, but they aren't required
10:26 PM rue_: I ran without them for a long time
10:26 PM rue_: I'm gonna take more pics of that
10:26 PM zhanx: k
10:26 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/slide.htm
10:26 PM rue_: you can kinda see them there
10:26 PM zhanx: I hope to have it mostly assembled tomorrow
10:26 PM zhanx: wrong link
10:26 PM rue_: kjsadhfkjhasdf
10:26 PM rue_: brb
10:36 PM rue_: sorry, technology challanges
10:36 PM rue_: camera unloading script is being too litteral
10:37 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/p1100004.jpg
10:37 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/p1100006.jpg
10:37 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/p1100009.jpg
10:38 PM zhanx: ok that answers my what are the orange disks questions
10:38 PM rue_: I changed that side to a plastic block to prevent binding, the hook on the bottom is just to prevent mishapp when transporting it
10:38 PM rue_: yea, I made those
10:39 PM rue_: the holdown springs aren't required
10:39 PM rue_: you could use anything to 'trap' the screws holding it up to the glass
10:39 PM rue_: I used a 3 point, cause fffffing with 4 point got old fast
10:40 PM zhanx: looks like i got a long ways to go still
10:40 PM rue_: I think I hit 100000 pics with my camera...
10:40 PM rue_: once you have it togethr you need to adjust it
10:40 PM zhanx: yep
10:41 PM rue_: have a good level and square?
10:41 PM zhanx: yes to both
10:41 PM rue_: helps when doing first pass of adjustments to level the thing, and use the square/level to get things approx right
10:41 PM rue_: I can walk it with ya
10:41 PM zhanx: ok
10:41 PM zhanx: when i get to that point of course
10:42 PM rue_: yep
10:43 PM rue_: katsmeow, shall we dig more into writing asm code?
10:43 PM rue_: marinade means I can leave it in the pot all night, right?
10:44 PM zhanx: depends on what it is
10:44 PM rue_: shellfish
10:44 PM rue_: er, I mean tofu
10:45 PM zhanx: no
10:45 PM rue_: I suspect the tofu is ok, supposedly the pack expires in Nov
10:45 PM rue_: ...2017
10:46 PM rue_: I ate some, I'm not ill, yet
10:46 PM zhanx: keyword
10:47 PM zhanx: why is it i have no 5/16 bolts?
10:48 PM rue_: haha M8?
10:48 PM zhanx: none of them either
10:48 PM rue_: their only a few thou off
10:49 PM rue_: use a scrap peice of that frame stuff
10:49 PM rue_: and some extra nuts
10:49 PM rue_: you must have extra nuts
10:49 PM zhanx: yea i got extra rod and stuff
10:49 PM rue_: if you have an extra rod and nuts, your set
10:50 PM rue_: katsmeow, ?
10:50 PM katsmeow: rue, ?
10:50 PM rue_: dropped a ping
10:51 PM rue_: would you like to work with assembler programming?
10:51 PM katsmeow: i have unspecified infection, throat swelling, already ate evening drugs
10:51 PM rue_: eeek
10:52 PM katsmeow: pains to tilt head
10:52 PM rue_: dont try dieing, it will resolve the problem of having an infection, but the side effects aren't worth it
10:52 PM katsmeow: you and i wold have different side effects
10:52 PM rue_: is it those things under your jaw that go bad in humans sometimes?
10:53 PM katsmeow: yeas, both sides
10:53 PM katsmeow: swelling
10:53 PM rue_: lots fo humans get them cut out
10:53 PM katsmeow: tonsils were cut out
10:53 PM rue_: but I cant make a call either way on that one
10:53 PM katsmeow: adenoids still there
10:53 PM katsmeow: no medical coverage
10:53 PM rue_: oh, hmm
10:54 PM rue_: I cant fix ya from here, I dont ahve the stuff I need for your voodoo doll
10:54 PM * katsmeow nods
10:55 PM rue_: zhanx, you saw the bent pipe there eh?
10:55 PM rue_: I'm so thrilled
10:55 PM katsmeow: me too
10:55 PM rue_: :)
10:55 PM rue_: I started making a tool today to measure the arc
10:56 PM zhanx: nice, i saw it
10:56 PM rue_: I should sit down and go thru the mountian of paperwork, see if I can find the design for them
10:57 PM katsmeow: rue, look in your Radio Shack Electronics Data Book, 1972 - 1979
10:58 PM katsmeow: page 59
11:01 PM zhanx: rue did you made gear boxs for the your nema's?
11:02 PM rue_shop4: yes
11:03 PM rue_shop4: 2:1
11:03 PM rue_shop4: prevents lost steps if there is a brief snag
11:03 PM zhanx: k, I guess I will need to do that also later one
11:03 PM rue_shop4: well, I can plough thru the tape on the bed with no dropped steps now too
11:03 PM rue_shop4: I can give ya all sorts of parts
11:03 PM zhanx: better print qual also?
11:03 PM zhanx: I want them
11:03 PM rue_shop4: katsmeow, I cant FIND it... still looking
11:04 PM rue_shop4: qual?
11:04 PM zhanx: quality of print
11:04 PM rue_shop4: oh no, its just about avoiding lost steps
11:04 PM zhanx: k
11:04 PM rue_shop4: nothing like unintentionally printing the lost tower of piza
11:04 PM rue_shop4: or having the top 3mm of your 18 hour print job offset 5mm along x
11:05 PM katsmeow: rue, it has formula for degrees, radius, arc length, etc
11:05 PM katsmeow: i can take apic and upoadit
11:05 PM rue_shop4: I'm wondering where the book it
11:05 PM rue_shop4: is
11:05 PM rue_shop4: cant lose those
11:06 PM katsmeow: i have 2, never will loan or give out
11:06 PM rue_shop4: kat, but its about measuring the arc and knowing what the radius is
11:06 PM zhanx: watching the reprap frame tightening video. should i make some rods to help it like they have?
11:06 PM rue_shop4: I'm going to use 2 known-distance points along the arc, and the arc depth
11:06 PM katsmeow: so work the math backwards
11:06 PM rue_shop4: zhanx, na, just get within 3mm
11:06 PM zhanx: k
11:07 PM rue_shop4: it'll move around like all hell leveling and trimming it
11:07 PM rue_shop4: katsmeow, I have a drafting program
11:08 PM katsmeow: oh, then you do not need book, ok
11:08 PM rue_shop4: I was playing with numebrs for a 8' ring, 2438.4mm
11:08 PM rue_shop4: I still want to know where my book is
11:08 PM rue_shop4: I keep all the mini-notebooks togethor
11:08 PM rue_shop4: and their by the getting started in electronics, and the other one
11:09 PM rue_shop4: integrated circuit applications
11:09 PM zhanx: so, i should not loctite the nuts for this i take it
11:09 PM rue_shop4: but I just found the manual for the DC2 digi-designer
11:09 PM rue_shop4: not close yet z
11:10 PM zhanx: k
11:19 PM rue_shop4: if you have a chance, I'd like to see where its at, must be looking pretty complete now
11:21 PM zhanx: its just assembled frame, no motors on it
11:21 PM zhanx: added the bearings and right now its with in 5mm
11:22 PM zhanx: tomorrow i plan on digging out the printer rods and getting them to length
11:22 PM zhanx: and hopefully the bed on (not the glass plate yet)
11:23 PM zhanx: my scanner plate is longer than needed but the right width
11:23 PM zhanx: but the wife has someone she knows that cuts glass and drills it
11:24 PM rue_shop4: Y and Z rods can be over (recommend it)
11:24 PM zhanx: ok
11:24 PM zhanx: that makes it easier then
11:24 PM rue_shop4: the X has to be __just right__
11:24 PM rue_shop4: iirc there is a documentation error out there too
11:24 PM zhanx: yep will be cutting them over size and grinding them together to length
11:24 PM rue_shop4: the X rods space the Z bearings
11:25 PM rue_shop4: so, if the X rods are too short, the x belt pulls the Z rods inwards
11:25 PM rue_shop4: its not good design
11:25 PM rue_shop4: I drilled out one side, and made lockable collars
11:25 PM rue_shop4: the collars allow me to adjust/set the distance
11:26 PM rue_shop4: you might want to do the X rails last
11:26 PM zhanx: k
11:26 PM rue_shop4: measure up the inside distance of the Z 'carriages' to make sure the length is right
11:27 PM zhanx: so i will do the y and z rails and do that
11:27 PM * rue_shop4 worries about kats infected tooth
11:28 PM zhanx: i just hope i saved enough rods
11:28 PM katsmeow: or socket where the tooth was
11:31 PM rue_shop4: according to this, my radius is 2657.5mm
11:31 PM rue_shop4: target (I think) is 2438.4mm
11:32 PM Tom_L: better shrink it a bit
11:33 PM rue_shop4: oh right I ahve to find my design stuff
11:38 PM zhanx: I need to clean these roller blade bearings they are gritty
11:49 PM zhanx: rue_shop4: those connector jump holders I need that file for sure
11:51 PM zhanx: also the file to hold the mega to the side of the printer