#garfield Logs
Apr 22 2018
#garfield Calendar
12:00 AM Tom_L: check to see if the \program files\atmel\avr tools\ is still there
12:03 AM Tom_L: under it are 2 directories that have all the .inc files for the chips in them
12:03 AM Tom_L: avrassembler and avrassembler2
12:03 AM Tom_L: in appnotes under each one
12:03 AM Tom_L: looks like it's got the source for all the app notes there too
12:03 AM Tom_L: example files
12:03 AM katsmeow: i do not have /*tools/
12:03 AM Tom_L: may have gotten uninstalled
12:05 AM Tom_L: sleep time here
12:05 AM Tom_L: gnite
12:05 AM katsmeow: i dunno enough to say for sure what i have
12:05 AM katsmeow: gnite Tom,t hanx for help
12:05 AM Tom_L: it's a bit sketchy for me too
12:06 AM Tom_L: do you feel better coding from an editor or a GUI?
12:06 AM katsmeow: errrrrrrr
12:06 AM Tom_L: or does it matter?
12:06 AM katsmeow: an editor is a gui on windows?
12:07 AM Tom_L: well the studio has an editor built in the gui
12:07 AM katsmeow: i used Textpad when coding for years, cept for mirc which has a editor in the irc client gui
12:07 AM Tom_L: the only reason i'm leaning toward studio 4 is because it has all those chip header files in it
12:07 AM katsmeow: Textpad is like a super notepad
12:08 AM Tom_L: yeah i've gone both ways
12:08 AM katsmeow: i do not know where it is, if it got eraseslat nite or 5 yrs ago
12:08 AM Tom_L: ususally programmers notepad or notepad ++
12:09 AM katsmeow: i know i got a ton of shit on programming, and deleted megabytes, and rue and i never got the avr blinking, so i may have wiped that too
12:09 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/avr/studio/
12:09 AM Tom_L: studio 4 is there if you want to look at it
12:09 AM Tom_L: don't use anything else there though
12:10 AM Tom_L: avrstudio4setup418.exe
12:10 AM Tom_L: i think
12:10 AM katsmeow: there's two studio4 files there
12:10 AM katsmeow: k
12:10 AM Tom_L: the other one might be an update for it, i can't remember
12:10 AM Tom_L: it's alot smaller
12:11 AM katsmeow: do a full install?
12:11 AM Tom_L: keep in mind it will reinstall the jungo driver
12:11 AM katsmeow: then do not do an install
12:11 AM Tom_L: i don't know if it gives you an option not to or not, i can't remember that either
12:11 AM Tom_L: it will work but it might upset rue
12:11 AM katsmeow: if i deletethe /Jungo/ it cannot install /jungo/ ?
12:12 AM Tom_L: you'd be using the dragon inside studio then instead of avrdude
12:12 AM katsmeow: then rue WILL be pissed
12:12 AM katsmeow: where he go ?
12:12 AM Tom_L: yeah well...
12:13 AM Tom_L: you probably should wait for him
12:13 AM katsmeow: cani use the assembler of studio4 without installing studio4 ?
12:13 AM Tom_L: i'm not sure
12:13 AM zhanx: i got stuck in a youtube black hole :(
12:13 AM zhanx: you can but its a pita
12:13 AM Tom_L: i never tried it that way
12:14 AM * katsmeow will wait on rue
12:14 AM Tom_L: i'm just not certain on the avrgcc assembler
12:14 AM Tom_L: since i used studio for my asm stuff
12:14 AM zhanx: avrgcc is command line
12:14 AM katsmeow: will dlit, and maybe try
12:14 AM zhanx: even with the studio4
12:14 AM Tom_L: z, i know
12:15 AM zhanx: k
12:15 AM Tom_L: i have some batch files on my site for it
12:15 AM Tom_L: it's just been too long for me to remember
12:15 AM zhanx: bat files, that is old
12:16 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/avr/atmega32U4/asm/
12:16 AM zhanx: or does windows still use them?
12:16 AM Tom_L: like that
12:16 AM Tom_L: no clue atm
12:16 AM Tom_L: must have
12:16 AM Tom_L: those may have been created by studio for all i know
12:17 AM zhanx: been way too long since i was on windows to tell you
12:17 AM Tom_L: since the project file is there as well
12:20 AM katsmeow: tis after midnite, my brains just shut off
12:24 AM katsmeow: there's a twist: humans almost kill themselves off, and THEN they invent Ai
12:49 AM katsmeow: found them, they got moved to \\Tiggr-5\D\AVR\ , and that got archived on a hdd at the bottom of a cardboard box
12:50 AM katsmeow: 07/24/2011 12:14 PM 661,277 atmelinstructions.pdf
12:50 AM katsmeow: 11/13/2014 11:00 PM <DIR> AVR Battery Studio
12:50 AM katsmeow: 11/13/2014 11:00 PM <DIR> AVR Wireless Studio
12:50 AM katsmeow: 11/13/2014 11:00 PM <DIR> AvrAssembler
12:50 AM katsmeow: 11/13/2014 11:00 PM <DIR> AvrAssembler2
12:50 AM katsmeow: 11/13/2014 11:00 PM <DIR> AvrDragon
12:50 AM katsmeow: etc
12:55 AM * rue_shop3 raises his head
12:56 AM rue_shop3: avrAssembler?
12:56 AM rue_shop3: I wonder which one that is
12:58 AM * katsmeow is faceplanty
12:59 AM rue_shop3: reading...
12:59 AM * katsmeow waves gnites
01:02 AM rue_shop3: ah, goodnight
01:06 AM zhanx: rue_shop3: so geothermal?
01:06 AM rue_shop3: naaa
01:06 AM zhanx: k
01:06 AM zhanx: need to get a back hoe
01:06 AM rue_shop3: dont tell the g
01:07 AM rue_shop3: build one!
01:07 AM rue_shop3: you need 2 large tires
01:07 AM rue_shop3: 2 small ones
01:07 AM zhanx: no my buddy has one
01:07 AM rue_shop3: a lawn tractor for misc parts
01:07 AM rue_shop3: might as well go hydraulic, so surplus pumps, motors, and valves
01:07 AM zhanx: i just need 20 bucks for the fuel
01:07 AM rue_shop3: yes, we can do it on $20
01:08 AM rue_shop3: you will need something with a rather skookun engine
01:08 AM zhanx: gonna dig down 6 feet
01:08 AM zhanx: AvE i see
01:08 AM rue_shop3: 6 feet under, yes, a landfill will have lots of good burried parts
01:08 AM zhanx: no i got 200 feet of septic drainage pipe free
01:09 AM zhanx: plus other crap
01:09 AM rue_shop3: that could be a challange to find
01:09 AM zhanx: what could be?
01:10 AM rue_shop3: septic drainage pipe
01:10 AM rue_shop3: but lets get back to the tractor
01:10 AM zhanx: ok
01:10 AM rue_shop3: you will want a good seat
01:10 AM zhanx: why i thought if i stood i can be counter balance
01:10 AM rue_shop3: you can fashion a good gas tank by soldering togethor old soup cans
01:11 AM zhanx: i got water bags from camping that is easier
01:11 AM rue_shop3: with a generous amount of hot glue, you can attach the top of a milk jug for a fill cap
01:11 AM zhanx: no hot glue, i will just weld in a 3 stack pipe
01:12 AM rue_shop3: on a mre serious note
01:12 AM rue_shop3: so, looking over the air muscle code
01:12 AM zhanx: for real skookun i will need bike chains on the tires
01:13 AM zhanx: k
01:13 AM rue_shop3: it LOOKS like I set up a 50Khz interrupt, and I'm using a .. SIGNED?!?! int...
01:13 AM zhanx: better fix that
01:14 AM rue_shop3: so a total time of 0.6 sec
01:14 AM rue_shop3: volatile int p0, p1, pwm0, pwm1; << wtf
01:14 AM zhanx: reviewing an updating my code from last year
01:15 AM zhanx: got 4 esp's ear marked for the green house, just need a battery also now
01:15 AM rue_shop3: I dont get it tho, I was sure I'd used more of a monostable setup
01:15 AM rue_shop3: to make sure the valves on time was fixed
01:15 AM zhanx: tired i guess?
01:15 AM rue_shop3: dunno
01:16 AM rue_shop3: unlike me to make an error on something liek that
01:16 AM zhanx: i need to develop a stress test for my system to include winter with out it being cold
01:17 AM rue_shop3: supermarket freezer
01:17 AM rue_shop3: just say your the defrost tech
01:17 AM zhanx: i meant for the battery and solar
01:17 AM zhanx: lol
01:17 AM rue_shop3: oh!
01:17 AM rue_shop3: well
01:17 AM zhanx: its that knack shit
01:17 AM zhanx: sometimes we over think it
01:18 AM rue_shop3: my purpose in life it to make it simple by complicating the hell outa things
01:18 AM rue_shop3: 0x80 is NOT 80
01:18 AM rue_shop3: wtf rue
01:18 AM zhanx: my purpose in life seems to be fixing things that i had nothing to do with at all
01:19 AM zhanx: rue_shop3: ok follow me on this
01:20 AM zhanx: its 300 ish feet to the garden from the house
01:20 AM rue_shop3: 1 second max time
01:21 AM zhanx: can i run cat 5 cable as a dc supply to the garden with POE and still get 24 dvc
01:21 AM zhanx: never ran it POE that far
01:22 AM zhanx: or should i get cat 6 and use it instead?
01:24 AM rue_shop3: better guage
01:25 AM rue_shop3: typ
01:25 AM zhanx: ?
01:25 AM rue_shop3: 20 vs 22
01:26 AM zhanx: k
01:26 AM zhanx: so cat 6 it
01:26 AM rue_shop3: cat was snuggling
01:26 AM rue_shop3: I was kayboard-disabled there
01:27 AM zhanx: my greenhouse is smaller than yours but i will use mine
01:27 AM rue_shop3: I need to work out what to do with mine
01:27 AM zhanx: grow what you eat
01:27 AM rue_shop3: I'd like "each square foot" of my yard to earn about 25c/year
01:27 AM rue_shop3: or 10c, cant recall
01:28 AM zhanx: better earn more that for what you go into it
01:28 AM zhanx: mine should take 80 dollars a week out of my food bill
01:29 AM zhanx: in 2 weeks its paid for itself with extra
01:29 AM zhanx: so far i am 72 dollars into it
01:31 AM rue_shop3: hmm
01:32 AM zhanx: dropping it next to a raise bed, and gonna use it as a thermal mass for the bed also
01:35 AM rue_shop3: huh, cant understand my code
01:35 AM rue_shop3: have to try it
01:35 AM rue_shop3: thinking of porting it from mega32 to 328
01:35 AM zhanx: did you fail to comment it ?
01:35 AM rue_shop3: and try it, then move it to stm32
01:36 AM rue_shop3: I recoded everything BUT the cpu clock speed
01:36 AM zhanx: k
01:36 AM rue_shop3: from the photos, I THINK its the 4Mhz osc
01:36 AM rue_shop3: and if its was 4Mhz, the pwm lands pretty damn close to 1sec
01:36 AM zhanx: from what i wrote last year, i need to comment more
01:37 AM rue_shop3: which is extremely plausable
01:37 AM zhanx: its plausible my one line comments from last year suck
01:39 AM rue_shop3: it looks like a 74xx595 can take data as fast as it can be clocked in
01:39 AM rue_shop3: so, I can breakout the outputs on the stm32 with '595
01:40 AM zhanx: ii need a new jig saw
01:40 AM zhanx: my hand saw is not cutting it
01:41 AM rue_shop3: start with a massage vibrator, you will need a linear bearing, like the one from
01:41 AM zhanx: but my control boards mounts are done
01:41 AM zhanx: north wall is gonna have a few things on it
01:42 AM rue_shop3: this will be interesting
01:42 AM zhanx: for both of us
01:42 AM rue_shop3: I dont even know if I still have the keyboard I scavanged
01:42 AM rue_shop3: tho, I dont think I need it
01:42 AM rue_shop3: dunno if I need the lcd either
01:42 AM rue_shop3: hmmm
01:43 AM zhanx: why tax it with a display?
01:43 AM rue_shop3: the display was for debugging, to get it going again, pretty sure I dont need it
01:43 AM rue_shop3: I just need to confirm the clock rate
01:43 AM zhanx: serial output to a pc that displays it
01:44 AM zhanx: that is what i do
01:44 AM rue_shop3: yes and no
01:44 AM rue_shop3: I want to port this all over to an stm32
01:44 AM zhanx: if define #debug code?
01:44 AM rue_shop3: on the bot, I'm going to have an stm32 running 8 axies at once
01:44 AM zhanx: k
01:44 AM rue_shop3: 'what is the value of the pwm thats working nicely right now"
01:45 AM zhanx: rue so basically my green house improvements are beta for you
01:45 AM rue_shop3: 8 axies is 32 valves
01:45 AM rue_shop3: :)
01:45 AM zhanx: i did 32 servos on e.l.f
01:46 AM zhanx: bad when i was new
01:46 AM rue_shop3: I have a 24ch on my hex
01:46 AM zhanx: back
01:46 AM rue_shop3: yea, cause I'm using 18
01:46 AM rue_shop3: it could have been 32, I didn't bother with the extra code
01:47 AM rue_shop3: still need to zero and span that bot
01:47 AM zhanx: that is the hard part
01:47 AM rue_shop3: na
01:47 AM zhanx: ik
01:47 AM rue_shop3: just a bit of a time consumer
01:47 AM zhanx: i never nailed it down 100%
01:48 AM rue_shop3: see if it can stand without melting the motors
01:48 AM zhanx: that should be the easy part
01:48 AM rue_shop3: sg90
01:48 AM zhanx: its the walking with out melting that i burn out 3 motors
01:48 AM rue_shop3: I wonder if I could have moved them out onto the legs more
01:49 AM zhanx: move them inside the joints to the body was my idea, never did it
01:50 AM rue_shop3: I wanted to put them on the legs, so that they dont add body weight
01:50 AM zhanx: that is what i did
01:50 AM rue_shop3: your either picking up the body or the legs servos but not both
01:50 AM zhanx: and made them part of the leg structure
01:51 AM zhanx: heck even my pcb was part of the structure
01:55 AM zhanx: this green house i made is under tension
01:55 AM rue_shop3: tension structure?
01:55 AM zhanx: yep for weight transfer
01:55 AM zhanx: due to possible snow load
01:55 AM zhanx: i can hang from a wall
01:55 AM rue_shop3: nice
01:55 AM zhanx: winds still might kill it
01:55 AM zhanx: don't think that math was right
01:55 AM zhanx: but
01:55 AM zhanx: if i can dc power it
01:55 AM zhanx: i will inflate it
01:56 AM rue_shop3: ...
01:56 AM rue_shop3: will a diode generate current if you heat it?
01:56 AM zhanx: yes
01:56 AM rue_shop3: so, are those thermo-electric generator plates their making really just huge diode arrays?
01:57 AM zhanx: or resister ones
01:57 AM rue_shop3: peltier
01:57 AM rue_shop3: using diodes
01:58 AM zhanx: yep
01:58 AM rue_shop3: hmmm
02:00 AM zhanx: debatinh
02:00 AM zhanx: debating on weather or not to get another solar panel
02:01 AM zhanx: need to check if it will need to mounted remotely
02:02 AM rue_shop3: I get 0.6mv up to 1uA from a 300c 1N914
02:03 AM zhanx: triac?
02:03 AM rue_shop3: diode
02:03 AM zhanx: k
02:04 AM rue_shop3: better off with steel and copper
02:06 AM zhanx: just realize, i did not make my roof line for a rocket stove
02:06 AM zhanx: gonna have to put it outside for the pipe
02:12 AM rue_shop3: that if you use a plating process to weld dissimilar metals
02:13 AM rue_shop3: you could make amazing thermopiles
02:13 AM rue_shop3: via sandwhich manufacuturing
08:07 AM Tom_L: avrassembler is a directory that has the assembler header files for the parts
11:04 AM rue_bed: which one tho
11:04 AM rue_bed: you have to be carefull with assemblers the syntax they each take is a bit different
11:48 AM Tom_L: it's the one from studio 4
11:48 AM Tom_L: i honestly thing she should install studio4 and use it
11:48 AM Tom_L: it supports the dragon and it's easy to download hex files with it
11:49 AM Tom_L: the usbasp one would have to use avrdude if she decides to use it
11:50 AM Tom_L: otherwise you'll have to come up with all the .inc files for the register definitions
11:51 AM Tom_L: she doesn't use linux so it might be easier in the end
11:59 AM rue_mohr: no
11:59 AM rue_mohr: stuidio didn't work
12:00 PM rue_mohr: she got into a problem (somehow) where she could only single step the program IN studio and the avr would NOT just run solo
12:00 PM rue_mohr: so, however it happened, I want to avoid it
12:00 PM rue_mohr: part of the impression she got last time was that the avr has to be connected to the computer to do anything
12:01 PM Tom_L: it could be handy for asm though since you can step thru and see the registers
12:01 PM rue_mohr: besides, she's used to C64 and 6502
12:01 PM rue_mohr: no bad bad bad
12:01 PM rue_mohr: thats all she could do
12:01 PM rue_mohr: THATS why I am avoiding studio like the plauge
12:02 PM Tom_L: mkay
12:02 PM Tom_L: at least get the .inc files from it, you will need them
12:02 PM rue_mohr: yes, it should come with the various assembers
12:03 PM Tom_L: i can't count how many times i've given them out to users in #avr
12:03 PM rue_mohr: it sure is hard to do under windows, geesh
12:03 PM Tom_L: it comes with studio in those 2 assembler and assembler2 directories
12:03 PM rue_mohr: ok
12:03 PM rue_mohr: another problem is that each assembler format is diffreent
12:04 PM rue_mohr: and I cant do studio, so I'm not completely sure of their asm format
12:04 PM rue_mohr: thats why I want to use gavrasm
12:04 PM rue_mohr: tho, if studio is using the gnu assembler, that should work too
12:05 PM Tom_L: are the asm commands the same?
12:05 PM Tom_L: i know the later studios do
12:05 PM Tom_L: i don't think they switched to gnu in ver 4 yet
12:05 PM rue_mohr: its ben ages since I did asm, one of the assemblers has some gotchas, and I cant remember which
12:06 PM rue_mohr: the opcodes are the same, the order of the params and how you do things is different, but only slightly
12:07 PM rue_mohr: if I dont get doing this day is going to go without me
12:07 PM Tom_L: well it's your project so do as you wish
12:08 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> <rue_bed> supper machine
12:08 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> <rue_bed> corriplast
12:08 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> <rue_bed> 2x2 for garden screens
12:08 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> <rue_bed> resetup muscle demo
12:08 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> <rue_bed> setup a compressor, test
12:08 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> build tables for pipe bender
12:08 PM rue_mohr: I just dont want to end up like we did last time with her stuck having to single step programs on an avr
12:08 PM rue_mohr: I dont know how or why, but really, I dont care
12:09 PM Tom_L: i probably would have figured out why studio was doing it
12:09 PM Tom_L: there's a run button and a step button
12:09 PM Tom_L: and probably step over etc
12:09 PM Tom_L: run to etc
12:10 PM Tom_L: it's really not that difficult
12:10 PM rue_mohr: dunno, if we always upload a hex and just steer clear of the damn realtime debuggers, it'll work like its supposed to
12:10 PM rue_mohr: well trying to use studio last time lead to a breakdown that lasted years
12:12 PM rue_mohr: I'm sure I remember her saying "whats the point of these chips if they have to stay connected to a computer to do anything"
12:13 PM rue_mohr: breakfast...
09:38 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, well, I got my numbers wrong, there are bits of scuba tank all over the yard
09:38 PM rue_mohr: j/k
09:39 PM rue_mohr: the system was designed for HP air supply @ 300psi , not 600
09:39 PM rue_mohr: so the 8.3L tank I have, @300psi is worth 48L @ the 30psi operating pressure
09:40 PM rue_mohr: no, wrong again
09:40 PM rue_mohr: so the 8.3L tank I have, @300psi is worth 48L @ the 60psi operating pressure
11:02 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1090951.jpg
11:02 PM rue_mohr: <rue_mohr> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/robots/sparrow1/p1090952.jpg
11:02 PM rue_mohr: put the table on the bender
11:02 PM rue_mohr: damn thing better work
11:02 PM rue_mohr: 4 years
11:03 PM rue_mohr: I think I can buy one for about $300
11:03 PM rue_mohr: :/
11:04 PM katsmeow: ?
11:05 PM katsmeow: i mean, what does the lawnmower do?
11:06 PM rue_mohr: stays dry
11:06 PM katsmeow: o
11:07 PM rue_mohr: https://www.kmstools.com/magnum-pedestal-band-ring-roller-12939
11:07 PM rue_mohr: I think
11:07 PM rue_mohr: would need tubing rollers
11:08 PM katsmeow: yeas, says "not for tubing"
11:08 PM rue_mohr: yea, not formed rollers
11:08 PM rue_mohr: and its not motorized
11:08 PM katsmeow: or engineized
11:09 PM rue_mohr: http://www.ebay.com/bhp/tubing-roller
11:09 PM rue_mohr: thats the one I saw a few years ago
11:09 PM rue_mohr: https://www.ebay.com/p/Pittsburgh-Metal-Tubing-Roller-Tube-Fabricator-Exhaust-Pipe-Roll-Bars/626231655
11:09 PM rue_mohr: srry
11:10 PM Tom_L: chain link gate rollers
11:10 PM Tom_L: too weak probably
11:10 PM rue_mohr: $$$$
11:10 PM rue_mohr: I asked a gate guy
11:10 PM rue_mohr: before I cast and machined my own
11:11 PM rue_mohr: AND, MINE drives the two rollers, not just one
11:12 PM rue_mohr: which means less of helpers trying to push the pipe into the bender as you crank on the wheel
11:12 PM Tom_L: could drive 3
11:12 PM rue_mohr: hard to drive the movable one
11:12 PM Tom_L: pinch roller between 2 stationary ones
11:12 PM Tom_L: _-_
11:13 PM katsmeow: power puters with renewable energy : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vtt41AyO6rY
11:14 PM Tom_L: how many crafts do you know that are considered lost arts now?
11:15 PM rue_mohr: nice of the horse to show the guy which way to pull the bar around to generate the power
11:15 PM rue_mohr: like wire lacing?
11:15 PM katsmeow: thinking
11:17 PM Tom_L: there was an old waterwheel mill nearby that has an old generator inside
11:17 PM katsmeow: victory gardening
11:18 PM Tom_L: probably ground grain there too
11:19 PM Tom_L: http://www.scenicusa.net/061512.html
11:19 PM katsmeow: making cloth and then sewing all your own clothes
11:19 PM Tom_L: first pic i came across of it
11:21 PM Tom_L: i've got my own collection of pics of it before it became a restaraunt
11:21 PM katsmeow: very nice
11:22 PM katsmeow: i know of a water mill used to grind in Maryland, the damn is still there, and the building, and one gearset, but they cut the water weheel off and usedit somewhere else
11:22 PM katsmeow: the sluce from thepond to the mill is still there, but filled in, and thepond is filled in to, but it still overlows like it;s fullof water after heavy storms
11:23 PM Tom_L: the stream is behind it and still there afik
11:23 PM Tom_L: haven't been there in a while
11:24 PM Tom_L: https://www.google.com/maps/uv?hl=en&pb=!1s0x87ba88dc8b8f0c99%3A0x86ade2628971e1a2!2m22!2m2!1i80!2i80!3m1!2i20!16m16!1b1!2m2!1m1!1e1!2m2!1m1!1e3!2m2!1m1!1e5!2m2!1m1!1e4!2m2!1m1!1e6!3m1!7e115!4s%2Fmaps%2Fplace%2Fold%2Bmill%2Boxford%2Bks%2F%4037.2881007%2C-97.1613616%2C3a%2C75y%2C106.45h%2C90t%2Fdata%3D*213m4*211e1*213m2*211sQNxlybsrUE_9VHFj2alkYw*212e0*214m2*213m1*211s0x87ba88dc8b8f0c99%3A0x86ade2628971e1a2!5sold%20mill%20oxford%20ks%20-%20Google%20S
11:24 PM Tom_L: the wheel is still there
11:25 PM katsmeow: i bet that url is bad
11:25 PM Tom_L: the generator probably is too
11:25 PM katsmeow: irc is length-limited
11:25 PM Tom_L: ?
11:25 PM katsmeow: does the real url end in sold%20mill%20oxford%20ks%20-%20Google%20S
11:25 PM katsmeow: ?
11:26 PM Tom_L: https://tinyurl.com/ybdfuh58
11:27 PM katsmeow: horsepowered grain mill : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHstGIgBu7U
11:27 PM katsmeow: or separator, a shaker table, basically
11:29 PM Tom_L: rue could have turned his wheels from wood
11:29 PM rue_mohr: dont think so
11:30 PM rue_mohr: need good sidewall strenth to old the pipe from colapsing out
11:30 PM Tom_L: spring or ice inside will also prevent collapse
11:30 PM katsmeow: is that a star wars character i spy?
11:30 PM Tom_L: i wondered what that was
11:31 PM katsmeow: in two pics
11:31 PM Tom_L: rue_bed, ice melts out and you have a nice round tube
11:31 PM rue_mohr: hu?
11:32 PM katsmeow: packed sand, flush out with garden hose
11:32 PM Tom_L: maybe not practical for a large tube
11:32 PM Tom_L: but small copper works good
11:32 PM Tom_L: basically any medium to fill the inside gap
11:33 PM rue_mohr: I'm hoping I dont ahve to fill it, I'll do sand if I need to
11:33 PM katsmeow: i'd luv to visit the mill if it's working
11:33 PM Tom_L: which? the one i posted?
11:33 PM Tom_L: it's not
11:34 PM katsmeow: oxford mill
11:34 PM katsmeow: but looks like the water wheel is sitting out n the woods, like my bridgeport
11:34 PM Tom_L: been idle for at least 20 years i know of
11:34 PM Tom_L: iirc it was in place when i first visited it
11:35 PM katsmeow: lite a fire under those kids, get it workng again
11:36 PM katsmeow: Tom, how do i save all those pics in one swoop?
11:36 PM Tom_L: no idea
11:37 PM Tom_L: i didn't look at them all but i do see the generator now
11:37 PM katsmeow: if the mill has water, it should power it's ownbuilding at least, reasturants tend to use a lot of power
11:37 PM katsmeow: *big* genny
11:37 PM katsmeow: very low rpm, i imagine
11:38 PM katsmeow: iirc, the otec plant in Hawaii is 15 rpm
11:39 PM Tom_L: no clue why starwars is represented there
11:39 PM katsmeow: direst drive 15 rpm, not geared up like a modern windmill
11:39 PM Tom_L: anyway, early day... gnite
11:40 PM katsmeow: happy sleeps, gnite
11:40 PM rue_mohr: I'll be 1/2hr late for bed, forgot to put the luandry for the second pass in th dryer
11:40 PM rue_mohr: but before supper I made a rake
11:41 PM katsmeow: i welded two identical steel plate togeether to make a jig tomorrow
11:41 PM rue_mohr: so kat, do you think you have any assemblers in whats already installed?
11:42 PM rue_mohr: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/images/p1090971.jpg
11:42 PM katsmeow: not yet
11:42 PM rue_mohr: supper didn't even get cold
11:42 PM katsmeow: tato rake?
11:42 PM rue_mohr: I'd like to use gavrasm, but everything says its 64 bit
11:42 PM rue_mohr: we use 'em for picking rocks
11:43 PM rue_mohr: you can get nice and deep
11:43 PM rue_mohr: pull 'em up
11:43 PM rue_mohr: but a finer one might be good for taters
11:44 PM katsmeow: have you seen the tv series "Westworld" season 2 started tonite
11:44 PM rue_mohr: nope
11:44 PM rue_mohr: no tv
11:44 PM rue_mohr: just netflix
11:44 PM katsmeow: occasionally they show makingof humanoid robots
11:44 PM rue_mohr: hmm
11:44 PM rue_mohr: what do they use
11:44 PM katsmeow: it's online too
11:45 PM katsmeow: 3D printers, molds, milling machines
11:45 PM rue_mohr: oh
11:48 PM rue_mohr: do you have a program called avr-as on your concluder?
11:49 PM rue_mohr: avr-as.exe
11:49 PM * katsmeow does a werd search
11:49 PM rue_mohr: oh, hmm, it might just be called as.exe
11:49 PM katsmeow: 776k
11:50 PM rue_mohr: OOOoooo...
11:50 PM rue_mohr: if you run it from a dos prompt...
11:50 PM katsmeow: created locally 8 yrs ago
11:50 PM rue_mohr: does it just wait for input?
11:50 PM rue_mohr: (looks like its hanging, but its waiting)
11:50 PM katsmeow: yeas
11:51 PM rue_mohr: sweet
11:51 PM rue_mohr: (ctrl-c)
11:51 PM katsmeow: there is also an avr32-as.exe
11:51 PM rue_mohr: ok, if you run that, with -v whats it say?
11:51 PM rue_mohr: GNU assembler version 2.26 (avr) using BFD version (GNU Binutils) 2.26.20160125
11:51 PM rue_mohr: is what mine says
11:51 PM katsmeow: the 32 ?
11:51 PM rue_mohr: either
11:52 PM katsmeow: D:\AVR-stuff\bin>avr-as -v
11:52 PM katsmeow: GNU assembler version 2.19 (avr) using BFD version (WinAVR 20100110) 2.19
11:52 PM rue_mohr: ok
11:52 PM rue_mohr: so a bit older, but prolly wont matter
11:52 PM katsmeow: 32 is a lil different :
11:52 PM katsmeow: D:\AVR-stuff\bin>avr32-as -v
11:52 PM katsmeow: GNU assembler version 2.19 (avr32) using BFD version (WinAVR 20100110) 2.19.2008
11:52 PM katsmeow: 1016
11:52 PM rue_mohr: I'd like to use gavrasm, but it looks like they recompiled everything back to 2011 for 64 bit
11:53 PM rue_mohr: and I dont want to try to go thru compiling a 32 bit version
11:53 PM rue_mohr: ok
11:53 PM rue_mohr: my bedding might almost be dry...
11:54 PM katsmeow: errrrrrr
11:54 PM rue_mohr: I laundered it
11:56 PM rue_mohr: ok I shaved my face, now I can wake up with fresh stubble
11:56 PM katsmeow: is that a good thing?
11:57 PM rue_mohr: isn't everyting better fresh?
11:57 PM rue_mohr: katsmeow, do you know what you would like your avrs to do?
11:58 PM rue_mohr: do you recall what size eproms you used to program?
11:58 PM rue_mohr: 16k? larger?
11:58 PM katsmeow: 8k, 16k, 32k
11:58 PM rue_mohr: ooo 2708!
11:58 PM katsmeow: do not have the programmer any more
11:58 PM rue_mohr: I have two of those
11:58 PM rue_mohr: power is crazy
11:59 PM rue_mohr: not a diy programmer?
11:59 PM katsmeow: modified , bought from teh back of magazine ~1983