#garfield Logs
Apr 17 2018
#garfield Calendar
12:00 AM rue_mohr: 2pcs 1x3
12:03 AM katsmeow: 15 minutes ago i cut off the twinlead header that was plugged into the dragin, and tossedit
12:03 AM rue_mohr: thats ok
12:03 AM katsmeow: i dunno, i don;t have the box in front of me
12:03 AM rue_mohr: ok
12:03 AM katsmeow: why do i ned anotehr header??
12:03 AM rue_mohr: hey, tommorow might be a rainy day
12:03 AM katsmeow: no
12:03 AM katsmeow: why do i ned anotehr header??
12:03 AM rue_mohr: it depends, if I interpreted what you said right, you ditched the programming header too :)
12:03 AM katsmeow: it's still wired to the card i made
12:03 AM rue_mohr: cool
12:03 AM katsmeow: i don;t understand why i need anotehr one
12:03 AM rue_mohr: so the card you made just needs the new power upply attached to it
12:03 AM katsmeow: IT IS ATTACHED
12:03 AM rue_mohr: you dont need another one
12:03 AM rue_mohr: I was in errro
12:05 AM rue_mohr: 8 and 16 asre what I meant when I said corner pins
12:05 AM katsmeow: yeas, but soppmeone said +5 on allt he cornerpins
12:05 AM katsmeow: 1, 8, 9, 16
12:05 AM rue_mohr: like ttl
12:05 AM rue_mohr: power is on the corners
12:05 AM katsmeow: i got 8 grounded
12:05 AM rue_mohr: ok, so I said it wont
12:05 AM rue_mohr: wrong
12:05 AM rue_mohr: if you have gnd on 8 and +5V on 16, were good
12:06 AM katsmeow: then we were good 5 yrs ago
12:06 AM katsmeow: and good now
12:06 AM katsmeow: if i go get the card
12:06 AM rue_mohr: eeek supper!
12:08 AM rue_mohr: katsmeow, do you want to try programming tonight or leave it till tommorow
12:15 AM katsmeow: if i had any guts, i'd stab myself in the leg with the xacto to take my mind off this fiasco
12:15 AM rue_mohr: later, ok
12:17 AM rue_mohr: like this 32 bit full adder I made from 74ls00 gates
12:17 AM rue_mohr: jk ;)
12:17 AM katsmeow: that would be huge
09:56 AM rue_mohr: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgZgd0-aE3Y
10:21 AM rue_mohr: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/B3F-50sets-lot-Tactile-Push-Button-Switch-with-hat-Momentary-Tact-12x12x7mm-DIP-Through-Hole-4pin/32603919095.html
04:28 PM katsmeow: DING
04:28 PM katsmeow: rue has emails
04:28 PM katsmeow: that is all
04:30 PM katsmeow: (if anyone else wants an email, lemme know your address)
07:58 PM rue_mohr: http://sparrowcar.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/sparrow_298t.jpg
08:02 PM Tom_L: wtf is that
08:02 PM Tom_L: trike?
08:43 PM Tom_L: mmm seems the blower motor has quit at the same time the clutch fell apart
08:43 PM Tom_L: gonna test the motor tomorrow but it's probably the control module for it
08:58 PM rue_mohr: hmm
09:03 PM rue_mohr: ok
09:03 PM rue_mohr: I was given a tank
09:03 PM rue_mohr: brown
09:03 PM rue_mohr: co2?
09:04 PM rue_mohr: helium?!
09:05 PM rue_mohr: or acetolyne!?
09:09 PM zhanx: stiff it
09:56 PM katsmeow is now known as katsmeow-afk
10:02 PM zhanx: rue got an inkjet printer that is broke today, it runs off belts for the head
10:09 PM katsmeow-afk is now known as ^kat^
10:11 PM * ^kat^ nods
10:14 PM rue_mohr: zhanx, perfect, 5mm pulley? (id)
10:16 PM rue_mohr: the new apce the company I work for is being cleaned up, there was a welding bottle, brown, boss said I could have it
10:16 PM rue_mohr: I think its acetolyne
10:16 PM rue_mohr: just got it home
10:16 PM rue_mohr: havn't taken the cap off
10:16 PM zhanx: umm
10:17 PM zhanx: could be
10:17 PM rue_mohr: that or helium?
10:17 PM zhanx: should have nubmers on that
10:17 PM rue_mohr: the thread will tell me
10:17 PM zhanx: argon?
10:17 PM rue_mohr: oh right, thats also brown
10:17 PM Tom_L: mine are brown
10:17 PM Tom_L: ish
10:17 PM rue_mohr: again, thread will tell
10:17 PM ^kat^: helium
10:17 PM rue_mohr: left hand fuel, right hand ... not fuel
10:22 PM zhanx: right hand ok to play is how i remember it
10:33 PM ^kat^: ?
10:35 PM rue_mohr: hello
10:35 PM ^kat^: greets
10:36 PM rue_mohr: its a big bottle, I think its larger than an M
10:37 PM ^kat^: it's too valuable to cut up, but may not be recertifiable
10:37 PM rue_mohr: same height, but fatter
10:37 PM ^kat^: may be a deposut if you turn it in
10:37 PM rue_mohr: I plan to trade it in for a leased bottle to net 0 bottles
10:37 PM ^kat^: without more info, you cannot refill it anyhow
10:37 PM ^kat^: k
10:37 PM rue_mohr: bottle lease is $100/year
10:37 PM ^kat^: i know, i have one
10:38 PM rue_mohr: they dont care what bottle you give them
10:38 PM rue_mohr: and one of the rental shops that it PROBABLY was shut down last year
10:38 PM ^kat^: had a lease from the same place 24 yrs ow
10:39 PM ^kat^: damned pricey to lease the oxygen in the air just because it's under pressure
10:40 PM rue_mohr: my solinoid driver dosn't work
10:40 PM rue_mohr: that one I did that power suppply yesterday for
10:41 PM rue_mohr: which sucks, it was supposed to be plug and play
10:41 PM rue_mohr: I didn't put a pulldown on the driver transistor bases
10:42 PM rue_mohr: 2n5551 is supposed to be good for 80vdc
10:42 PM rue_mohr: no packages from china today
10:42 PM rue_mohr: :(
10:42 PM rue_mohr: internet bill for $300
10:43 PM Tom_L: what you on? fiber??
10:44 PM rue_mohr: yea
10:44 PM ^kat^: a pulldown? you said it was totempole driver
10:44 PM rue_mohr: different project
10:44 PM ^kat^: why are you on fiber?
10:44 PM rue_mohr: the mecha uses washing machine solinoids on 80vdc, with O/C drivers
10:44 PM * ^kat^ now wonders if rue owns google
10:45 PM rue_mohr: no
10:45 PM rue_mohr: 3/7ths of it is telephone service bill
10:46 PM ^kat^: speaking of, i heard said on tv show released this month, their current Ai project uses 10 million servers, the next one uses 100 million servers, if they can figure out how to get 100 million servers made
10:46 PM rue_mohr: insane
10:46 PM rue_mohr: bloatware
10:46 PM ^kat^: $128 phone
10:46 PM ^kat^: damn
10:46 PM rue_mohr: 100M:1 bloatware
10:47 PM ^kat^: i'd like to know how bad their lan connections are
10:48 PM rue_mohr: one of the things on my list is to work out a neuron characteristic that implements well on computer hardware, cause, its different
10:49 PM rue_mohr: I also need to work out the physical neural map for a human
10:49 PM rue_mohr: which hasn't been done properly yet
10:49 PM ^kat^: a single avr with enough(?) i/o pins, and a bootloader to load new knowledge should make a nice lil neuron
10:50 PM rue_mohr: pretty sure, if on it, that a cuda core (one) can emulate about 8 or more neurons at once
10:50 PM ^kat^: i am conserned still they have no native external ram/eprom abilities
10:51 PM rue_mohr: did you read thru the instruction pdf?
10:52 PM ^kat^: no, and just got pissed on somewhere else online
10:59 PM rue_mohr: ok, tell me what you think of the instruction set after you been there
11:00 PM rue_mohr: and I need to think of a power supply for my flip-7seg project
11:00 PM rue_mohr: maybe just an AC transformer and freinds
11:01 PM ^kat^: why do you need to have so much hp to detect pattern of bits on a few wires, and output some responce to the pattern?
11:02 PM ^kat^: can't a 8Mhz 80xx do that?
11:02 PM ^kat^: or even a eprom ?
11:02 PM rue_mohr: to simulate my brain?
11:03 PM rue_mohr: from what I can tell, the highest density hardware to do it are GPU's
11:03 PM ^kat^: or a 27C1024 ?
11:03 PM rue_mohr: if I was really good, I could use 8Mhz hardware, but I'm short on time and really short on knowledge
11:03 PM rue_mohr: I have to port a system from an organic platform to a computer
11:04 PM rue_mohr: it's prolly gonna be the most complex software port of my existance
11:04 PM rue_mohr: I think I'm on the right track
11:05 PM rue_mohr: it would help if my solinoid drivers worked tho
11:05 PM ^kat^: you are aware a neuron is a stupid multi-input multi-output thing?
11:05 PM ^kat^: in reply to a pattern, it outputs a pattern
11:05 PM ^kat^: repeated training programs it to output the rightprogram
11:05 PM rue_mohr: one of the questions is at which LEVEL to emulate the system
11:05 PM ^kat^: it's inherenelt too stupid to do that itself
11:06 PM rue_mohr: I'm not completely convinced the answer is to emulate it at a neuron level
11:07 PM rue_mohr: I'm convinced that if I can assemble the right neural structure, it'll become sentient on its own
11:07 PM rue_mohr: so there are multiple challanges
11:07 PM rue_mohr: and reverse engineering the brain is turning up some wickid surprises
11:08 PM ^kat^: i am not nix-aware, but i recommend you write it in Minx modules that can see across the lan to other puters transparently
11:08 PM ^kat^: Minix
11:08 PM rue_mohr: I thought the cerebrum was completely neurons, its like 75% wire.
11:09 PM rue_mohr: organics uses a method to achive larger building blocks with neurons
11:10 PM rue_mohr: the neurons are not neccissarily the most efficient element to create the building blocks
11:10 PM ^kat^: yeas, 32bit buss vs sata
11:10 PM ^kat^: i agree
11:10 PM ^kat^: becides, neurons canbe built insoftware
11:11 PM rue_mohr: well, think like organics being nor gates, and digital being nand gates, some types of flipflops express badly in nor, and well in nand
11:11 PM rue_mohr: and vise versa
11:12 PM ^kat^: errrrrrrrrrrrrr, huh?
11:12 PM rue_mohr: so, one of the questions is what are the next logical building block implemented in the brain by neurons
11:12 PM rue_mohr: its ok, I have a picture in my head, and I'm still working on it
11:14 PM rue_mohr: I think you would agree that if you had two computers, one build just with nor gates, and one built just with nand gates, that making them both perform the same is doable, but that the optimized engineering would be a bit diffrent
11:14 PM ^kat^: yeas
11:15 PM rue_mohr: I see the same difference with organics vs electronics
11:15 PM rue_mohr: the optimizations will be different, but they can be made to perform the same
11:16 PM rue_mohr: it helps that the important neurons are only about 7-10mm deep from the outside of the brain
11:16 PM rue_mohr: but nobody seems to have done a proper surface-unrolling of the active neurons of the brain
11:17 PM rue_mohr: it will form neural groups
11:17 PM rue_mohr: I need to know the group structure next
11:17 PM ^kat^: i thought the most versatile neurons were on the surface
11:17 PM rue_mohr: the nerves in the cerebellum is wired like a rom, I was shocked
11:18 PM rue_mohr: below that 7-10mm, is basically just wire
11:18 PM * ^kat^ can agree
11:19 PM rue_mohr: anyhow
11:20 PM rue_mohr: kat
11:21 PM rue_mohr: there are two groups of neurons in and out of the cerebelum, for a surprise, look at where they are GOING 8-|
11:21 PM rue_mohr: its not what we were taught
11:21 PM rue_mohr: (me andhow)
11:23 PM rue_mohr: kat, in the spine, there are two paths of neurons, one up, one down (in a few groups), which one is dorsal? (ignoring the sympathetic chord)
11:23 PM * rue_mohr looks at zhanx
11:26 PM ^kat^: more than 2 groups
11:26 PM ^kat^: there's even two types
11:27 PM ^kat^: the damned unmylenated are there to sense damage o tissue, and make you feel pain
11:30 PM rue_mohr: viaual cortex, cerabellum, lots of different groups, all wired up
11:31 PM rue_mohr: the cerebrum is about 3 or 4 groups on each side, maybe more, not sure
11:32 PM ^kat^: however, no need to duplicate the physical form and all it's imperfections, just to get a few benefits
11:32 PM rue_mohr: I have to make sure the bridge to port me isn't too far
11:49 PM ^kat^: iirc, i was going on thepremise that all avr in 300mil dip packages that are more than 8 pins have miso/meso/muso on the same pins
11:49 PM ^kat^: so on the side 1 thru ground, if you insert the chip so pin 1 is always pin 1, then the serial pins are all the same, the power pin is the same
11:50 PM ^kat^: and i just move the gnd to the last pin on side 1
11:53 PM rue_mohr: I think they are all over different pins of the different chips
11:54 PM rue_mohr: but I'v not tried to corrilate them
11:54 PM ^kat^: ok, on the chips i was interested in
11:54 PM ^kat^: i didn;t look at all the chips ever made
11:55 PM ^kat^: a few tiny,, like 2313, 44, etc
11:55 PM ^kat^: i should have written that down
11:56 PM rue_mohr: ok