#garfield Logs
Mar 15 2018
#garfield Calendar
12:00 AM rue_: funny enough, make is one of the programs that can use more than 1 core
12:03 AM rue_: so, I'm kinda caught about this upgrade
12:03 AM useless: https://hexchat.github.io/downloads.html <<== no winxp download
12:04 AM rue_: nor does mac
12:04 AM rue_: ;)
12:05 AM useless: i need sasl support, which won;t be on the older versions
12:05 AM rue_: whats sasl?
12:06 AM rue_: join #hexchat
12:06 AM rue_: erps
12:06 AM useless: [11:27:pm] -weber.freenode.net- *** Found your hostname
12:06 AM useless: -
12:06 AM useless: [11:27:pm] Caps supported: account-notify extended-join identify-msg multi-prefix sasl
12:06 AM useless: -
12:06 AM useless: [11:27:pm] You are now logged in as katsmeow.
12:06 AM useless: -
12:06 AM useless: [11:27:pm] SASL authentication successful
12:06 AM useless: -
12:06 AM useless: [11:27:pm] Caps set: account-notify extended-join multi-prefix sasl
12:06 AM useless: -
12:06 AM useless: [11:27:pm] -weber.freenode.net- *** Spoofing your IP
12:07 AM rue_: ok
12:08 AM rue_: ;)
12:15 AM rue_: did I help?
12:15 AM rue_: if not by ruling out soemthing
12:15 AM rue_: you need a new irc client because the old ones gonna end its eval period, right?
12:15 AM useless: i already knew hexchat would not install on my system, but soemone else keeps saying it will
12:15 AM rue_: or did freenode up the login anti?
12:15 AM useless: it's fully paid for eval period
12:15 AM rue_: did you try?
12:16 AM useless: try what?
12:16 AM rue_: installing one of the x86 version of hexchat
12:16 AM useless: it's too much trouble to keep repeating myself
12:18 AM rue_: part of the reason I suggested hexchat
12:18 AM rue_: is cause I suspect its always had sasl support
12:18 AM useless: so i could repeat myself about hexchat?
12:18 AM rue_: which eliminates a factor
12:18 AM rue_: all you would need is a version that installs
12:19 AM rue_: which, those are the x86 versions, which might (I used to install win95 programs on my win3.1 machine)
12:19 AM useless: afaik, the version i tried was the oldest stable version that ran on winxp
12:19 AM rue_: for the most part, the dll calls are the same and things dont notics
12:20 AM useless: the giy in #hexchat just said it doesn;t run on winxp
12:20 AM rue_: i didn't get the feeling of being confident in those answers
12:24 AM rue_: https://dl.hexchat.net/hexchat/HexChat%202.14.1%20x86.exe
12:24 AM rue_: will that install?
12:24 AM useless: well, it they are lying, then they are going out of their way to keep me off irc
12:24 AM useless: hell if i know if it will install, you want me to install every damned file that comes along?
12:24 AM useless: who is hexchat.NET , and why shold i trust them?
12:24 AM useless: hello?
12:26 AM useless: d:\wget>wget https://dl.hexchat.net/hexchat/HexChat%202.14.1%20x86.exe
12:26 AM useless: SYSTEM_WGETRC = c:/progra~1/wget/etc/wgetrc
12:26 AM useless: syswgetrc = c:/progra~1/wget/etc/wgetrc
12:26 AM useless: --2018-03-15 00:26:30-- https://dl.hexchat.net/hexchat/HexChat%202.14.1%20x86.e
12:26 AM useless: xe
12:26 AM useless: Resolving dl.hexchat.net... 104.27.133.137, 104.27.132.137
12:26 AM useless: Connecting to dl.hexchat.net|104.27.133.137|:443... connected.
12:26 AM useless: OpenSSL: error:14077410:SSL routines:SSL23_GET_SERVER_HELLO:sslv3 alert handshak
12:26 AM useless: e failure
12:26 AM useless: Unable to establish SSL connection.
12:27 AM rue_: !?
12:28 AM useless: trying to dl it in firefox now
12:28 AM rue_: stand by
12:28 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/HexChat%202.14.1%20x86.exe
12:29 AM useless: Error popup : This program does not support the version of windows your computer is running.
12:29 AM rue_: oh, you got it?
12:29 AM useless: [12:28:am] <useless> trying to dl it in firefox now
12:29 AM rue_: setver.exe ? :)
12:29 AM rue_: :/
12:29 AM rue_: awe, sorry kat
12:30 AM rue_: so, your saying they will require sasl soon?
12:30 AM rue_: this internet securrity thing is getting stupid
12:31 AM useless: no, i am saying that on a vpn, freenode reqired sasl as of months ago
12:31 AM rue_: oh
12:31 AM useless: http://DesignerThinking.com/images/HEXDEAD.JPG
12:31 AM rue_: I believed you
12:32 AM rue_: I'm sad it didn't work
12:32 AM rue_: they told me that a way around it is to run man-in-the-middle software to hack your own connection
12:32 AM rue_: the middleware software provides all the keys
12:32 AM rue_: behind it, you have an insecure connection
12:33 AM rue_: (on your lan)
12:36 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/besafe.jpg
12:36 AM rue_: see the risks I take letting people use my shop?
12:36 AM useless: i tried that on mirc versions before v7.71 , nothing worked
12:36 AM rue_: I havn't tried
12:36 AM rue_: securrity is killing the internet
12:36 AM useless: and humans are tweeting and farceborking
12:36 AM rue_: and being hacked a lot doing it
12:37 AM rue_: I regularily get 'emails from' people in my fb account sending me 'important links I need to open'
12:37 AM rue_: the people I know almost completely dont use their fb accounts so, yea
12:38 AM rue_: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/RM101-Digital-Multimeter-6000-counts-Backlight-AC-DC-Ammeter-Voltmeter-Ohm-Portable-Meter/32739995905.html
12:38 AM rue_: so, I bought a big ticket item from ali
12:39 AM rue_: see what i get
12:39 AM rue_: oh its passed bedtime I gtg to bed
12:39 AM zhanx: rue_: what you buy?
12:39 AM rue_: :( I have no hardware selected to upgrade my computer
12:40 AM rue_: that meter I posted the link to
12:40 AM zhanx: oh i got a fluke
12:40 AM rue_: I need a meter for my bedroom to play
12:41 AM zhanx: wife told me to buy a 3d printer
12:41 AM zhanx: I didn't
12:41 AM rue_: no, your just saying that
12:41 AM zhanx: she did
12:41 AM rue_: what you have in the parts box?
12:41 AM zhanx: 4 motors
12:41 AM rue_: k
12:41 AM rue_: nema17?
12:41 AM zhanx: ramps kit
12:41 AM rue_: ok
12:42 AM zhanx: nema 17 yes
12:42 AM rue_: w/arduino 2560?
12:42 AM rue_: you want a 5th N17
12:42 AM zhanx: making parts bases off your madela
12:42 AM rue_: ok
12:42 AM zhanx: well 4 is what i got so far
12:42 AM rue_: yup
12:43 AM zhanx: i am making a computer for it
12:44 AM rue_: doyou have a pipe flange tool?
12:44 AM zhanx: the all in one i had is re-purposed now
12:44 AM zhanx: i do
12:44 AM zhanx: you got 2-3 weeks before i build it
12:44 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/p1090709.jpg
12:45 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/p1090708.jpg
12:45 AM zhanx: nice i can do that
12:45 AM rue_: I had a spare clamp that I made a bit shallower for doing that
12:45 AM rue_: you want 2 motors with the synchro pullies on them
12:45 AM rue_: the rest bare
12:45 AM zhanx: k
12:46 AM useless: why are you threading the end of the stepper shaft?
12:46 AM rue_: doing that ensures that motor bearings and shafts come out ok
12:46 AM rue_: its a pipe flanger, I'm using it to grab the damn pulley do I can push it off
12:46 AM rue_: they give you like 0 clearance under the pulley
12:46 AM zhanx: its a flare tool
12:47 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/reprap3/p1090709.jpg
12:47 AM useless: ah
12:47 AM rue_: I put a divit in the end of a pin, for the flare tools point to sit in
12:47 AM rue_: the ribbed jaws of the flare tool grab it hard enough
12:48 AM zhanx: looked outside we got 8-10 more inches of snow
12:48 AM rue_: !!!
12:48 AM rue_: we had a nice dry/warm spring day here
12:48 AM rue_: BUUT
12:48 AM zhanx: not working tomorrow now
12:48 AM rue_: the tide is crazy high, so were in for a storm
12:48 AM zhanx: we got 3 feet in the last 2 days already
12:49 AM rue_: hah, hows the canned food supply?
12:49 AM zhanx: fince
12:49 AM zhanx: the deep freeze is not running at all also
12:49 AM rue_: well then put it outside
12:49 AM rue_: ;)
12:50 AM zhanx: the deep freezer is outside all winter for a reason
12:50 AM rue_: I have a plan for the new house
12:50 AM rue_: to make a cubby for the fridge that keeps the back of it in a weakly insulated outdoor pocket
12:50 AM rue_: so, seal around the fridge
12:51 AM useless: umm, make it properly insulated, but removeable
12:51 AM rue_: yes, access the back of the fridge from outside
12:51 AM useless: small removeable, and a fan even, with filter to keep bears and ants out, to they cannot crawl thru the fan duct
12:51 AM rue_: keep it in a shaded spot thats still cool in the summer
12:52 AM rue_: the other thought was to set up a fridge like commercial, put the compressor/condenser in another area all togethor
12:53 AM rue_: I wonder if a AC tech would mind taking on a project like that
12:53 AM rue_: I recon if the refrigerant types match its all just routine
12:53 AM useless: not that difficult, but you will need to add an accumulator bottle and expansion valve
12:54 AM rue_: have a 100% silent fridge
12:54 AM useless: not use the cap tube
12:55 AM useless: cap tubes are evil,, didja know you can cool the condensor coil on a ac so much the evaporator is starved and it won;t cool?
12:55 AM rue_: ok
12:56 AM rue_: oh geez I was supposed to go to bed like an hour ago
12:56 AM useless: sorry
12:56 AM useless: gnite
12:58 AM rue_bed: ok
12:58 AM rue_bed: I took a melatonin
12:58 AM rue_bed: that will backfire
12:59 AM rue_bed: ouch, I hit my knee with a fire extinguisher in the wrong way, ouuuuch
06:40 PM Tom_L: fusion 360 has a post for grbl
06:43 PM Tom_L: also one for reprap
07:30 PM rue_: k
07:30 PM rue_: but requries a 64 bit os
09:54 PM katsmeow: <coff>
10:29 PM rue_shop3: hi kat
10:30 PM katsmeow: hi rue
10:32 PM katsmeow: wuts knew?
10:33 PM rue_shop3: not much
10:33 PM rue_shop3: blew up my repacement power converter, cant work out the chip on a remote I thought might be an avr
10:34 PM rue_shop3: releveling my printer after the heated bed thing finished being a disaster
10:34 PM katsmeow: how did you finally heat it?
10:34 PM rue_shop3: I"m going back to unheated
10:34 PM katsmeow: o
10:34 PM rue_shop3: the glass broke and I have no interest in trying to fix it for a while
10:35 PM katsmeow: you were heating glass, and it wasn;t pyrex?
10:35 PM rue_shop3: nope
10:35 PM katsmeow: ouch
10:38 PM rue_shop3: you know the blank stares you get from people when you use words longer than 4 letters?
10:38 PM rue_shop3: I get them too
10:38 PM katsmeow: yeas
10:39 PM rue_shop3: 5+ letters is just easier to go to china for
10:39 PM katsmeow: i've been accused of making words up, or haveing a speech defect
10:40 PM rue_shop3: I'v been able to deduce that people know I'm talking, but aren't sure of the language
10:40 PM katsmeow: woldnot believe me if i said "no such thing as 'old timers disease' , it's 'Alzheimer's Disease'"
10:41 PM katsmeow: they thought i was making it up, and couldn;t say "old timers"
10:42 PM katsmeow: forking humans
10:53 PM katsmeow: usno.navy.mil is borked, they printed up a table for me showig the sun altitude here in January to be 34 degrees, it's closer to half that, it isbarely above the treeline across the valley
11:41 PM rue_: my digital signal generator arrived today
11:42 PM rue_: AD9833
11:43 PM katsmeow: Boston is 10 degrees lower sun than here all year
11:43 PM katsmeow: Havana is 10 degrees higher all year than here
11:43 PM katsmeow: not degrees temperature, degrees apparent altitude above horizon
11:44 PM katsmeow: how fast does it go?
11:44 PM * rue_ opens datasheet
11:44 PM rue_: it goes 25Mhz
11:44 PM rue_: my current signal gen goes to 1Mhz
11:44 PM rue_: (and does a bad job of it)
11:46 PM * katsmeow has an FG-502
11:46 PM rue_: ooo
11:46 PM katsmeow: a PG somethingii forget too
11:46 PM rue_: its got two registers for freq, so you can switch the system between them to do fsk
11:47 PM katsmeow: nice
11:47 PM rue_: 2^12 sin rom, 10 bit dac
11:48 PM katsmeow: the FG 502 goes to 11Mhz, sine, square, ramp, triangle, sawtooth
11:49 PM rue_: :) this is clocked at 25Mhz, so max freq is ... 25Mhz/2^12
11:50 PM katsmeow: my PG is across the room somewhere
11:51 PM rue_: oh but, if your just outputting squarewave you can go higher
11:53 PM katsmeow: the pg 502 is 250Mhz, the 508 is 50 Mhz
11:53 PM rue_: oh, they have two psk registers too
11:53 PM katsmeow: i don;t remember which i have
11:53 PM rue_: did you see mine, old HP things
11:54 PM rue_: the freq marks on the knobs are REALLY far off
11:54 PM katsmeow: yea, the FG502 has a gate input and a fm input
11:55 PM rue_: mine have a sync and a modulation input
11:55 PM rue_: (at the back)
11:55 PM katsmeow: i was thinkingof a freq generator that read waveform data from a ram, at whatever freq was needed, and into whatever the best filter was for that freq
11:56 PM rue_: I'm surprised tho, its not possable to manually load a value into the dac
11:56 PM katsmeow: so if a ramp was read, and fed into the freq control of another one, you cold make wierd "music"
11:57 PM rue_: er, they did the digital tap off the MSB of the rom counter
11:57 PM rue_: wtf
11:57 PM katsmeow: i dunno
11:58 PM katsmeow: my hold-down clamp on the brake is really warped badly, i dunno what i'll doto fix it
11:58 PM rue_: whats 2^12?
11:58 PM rue_: 10=1024
11:58 PM rue_: 11=2048
11:58 PM rue_: 12=4096
11:58 PM katsmeow: 4096
11:59 PM rue_: errr
11:59 PM rue_: so, its only good to 6Khz?
11:59 PM rue_: 25Mhz/4096
11:59 PM rue_: ugh
11:59 PM katsmeow: at square wave? maybe, due to slow rise times
11:59 PM rue_: this just got less impressive