#garfield Logs
Feb 03 2018
#garfield Calendar
12:00 AM Tom_L: this part is 5/16" thick?
12:03 AM rue_shop4: yup
12:03 AM Tom_L: the 1.3" wide one
12:03 AM Tom_L: approx
12:06 AM rue_shop4: yup
12:06 AM Tom_L: ok
12:06 AM rue_shop4: latch
12:06 AM rue_shop4: "A12"
12:06 AM Tom_L: and a 43 hole at o,O
12:06 AM rue_shop4: :) yup
12:06 AM Tom_L: ok so i'll rename the part A12
12:06 AM rue_shop4: sure
12:06 AM rue_shop4: the other part is...
12:06 AM rue_shop4: "C3"
12:06 AM Tom_L: maybe we should start from scratch and name them proper with all the hole data in it
12:06 AM rue_shop4: ok, do you care if its metric then?
12:06 AM Tom_L: how big is the slot and where is it
12:06 AM rue_shop4: it looks like the metric one came out perfectly
12:06 AM Tom_L: i think metric will come in ok it seems
12:06 AM Tom_L: i can give you the dimensions on them and you can ok it or not
12:06 AM Tom_L: so get rid of everything so far and start with good part numbers and accurate data
12:06 AM rue_shop4: if your up to that
12:06 AM Tom_L: we'll just call these first 2 a test
12:06 AM Tom_L: won't take that long now
12:06 AM Tom_L: why is the material different thicknesses?
12:06 AM Tom_L: so we have 1/8", 5/16" and 1/4" material on this assembly?
12:06 AM Tom_L: any other?
12:08 AM rue_shop4: maybe I should mail you the 3d printed bits and you can assemble one
12:08 AM rue_shop4: and a spring, ...and some pins...
12:08 AM Tom_L: naw let's see how this goes first
12:08 AM rue_shop4: k
12:08 AM Tom_L: what sort of spring?
12:08 AM Tom_L: i can make springs to a degree
12:09 AM Tom_L: are the pins in reamed holes?
12:11 AM Tom_L: not gonna be up too much longer
12:17 AM rue_: we been making them from piano wire
12:17 AM rue_: managed to find some
12:17 AM rue_: holes aren't reamed, we bash 'em up to keep them in (mushroom rivot)
12:18 AM rue_: ok, for me: latch is A12, 3" lever is C3, normal lever is A8, front assembly is A9/A10
12:19 AM rue_: Tom_L, it mashes all the layers togethor on you tho dosn't it?
12:19 AM rue_: so I need to go delete anything thats not part of 'the part'
12:20 AM rue_: it'll take me a while to reprocess all the files
12:20 AM rue_: I have lots of other layers with things in almost all of them
12:20 AM Tom_L: i dunno, lemme try one and see how it comes in
12:27 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/
12:27 AM rue_: A12 is 5/16 C3 and A8 are 1/4" and A9/10 is 1/8"
12:27 AM rue_: those are raw files
12:28 AM rue_: from what you have said, you cant distinguish between the layers in them
12:28 AM Tom_L: i'll see
12:28 AM Tom_L: what's a good one to start on?
12:29 AM rue_: crap, you distracted me for a bit too long, the jars I was 'warming' just got the snot cooked out of them
12:30 AM rue_: A12 is the simplest, then A8, C3 and A9/10
12:31 AM rue_: jars for sugar, damn thats complicated
12:31 AM rue_: now that all the bits of sugar that were in them is burt to a crisp, I need to wash them out, then do this agian to bake off all the moisture
12:31 AM Tom_L: ok let's see what catia says about them
12:32 AM rue_shop3: I hate that gas stove
12:33 AM Tom_L: the outside is the cutter path right?
12:33 AM Tom_L: on A12
12:33 AM rue_shop3: oh, its a line so that my buddy who is amking them knows where the outside of the cut path is so he can position them properly
12:35 AM rue_shop3: he wasn't visualizing where the outside of the cut was
12:35 AM Tom_L: you might have to get rid of that part
12:35 AM Tom_L: i think the rest may be ok
12:36 AM rue_shop3: there might be a line on A12 that shows where the slot bottom is
12:37 AM Tom_L: not that i can see
12:37 AM rue_shop3: when was the last time you saw thebear?
12:37 AM Tom_L: quite a while
12:38 AM Tom_L: haha i can get rid of those lines
12:39 AM rue_shop3: ok, I have a kitchen full of smoke, two cats that want thu every door everywhere every minute
12:39 AM rue_shop3: two running cnc machines and a running 3d printer
12:40 AM Tom_L: and the holes come in as holes too
12:45 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/test.jpg
12:45 AM Tom_L: if you can put the slot in i can probably use it
12:49 AM rue_: so its just extruding it for you
12:49 AM Tom_L: no i did that
12:50 AM Tom_L: it comes in as a flat file
12:50 AM Tom_L: i extrude it to get it into my cad cam
12:50 AM Tom_L: works great
12:50 AM rue_: yea, that makes sense
12:51 AM rue_: extrude {dxffile}
12:51 AM rue_: the white lines look like one of my reference layers
12:52 AM rue_: and when you do it that way, there is no low-poly thing going on
12:52 AM Tom_L: there may be too much data in A8
12:52 AM rue_: ?
12:52 AM rue_: the other layers
12:52 AM rue_: ?
12:52 AM Tom_L: it's telling me i need to define the construction geometry
12:52 AM Tom_L: maybe
12:53 AM Tom_L: you may have to turn off some of the layers
12:53 AM Tom_L: lemme try another one
12:53 AM rue_: can you specify what layer to extrude?
12:53 AM rue_: come to think of it, I think on that peice you just showed me, the holes are on a different layer
12:54 AM * rue_ tries to turn brain off
12:54 AM rue_: the switch isn't connected to anything, its just a feel_good switch
12:55 AM Tom_L: ok i fixed that one too
12:55 AM rue_: I got plastic beads, left a note for myself that they were for check valves, but didn't say what the check valves were for
12:56 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/test2.jpg
12:56 AM rue_: looks about right
12:56 AM Tom_L: i'm extruding them the thickness you gave me
12:57 AM rue_: so what was the trick?
12:57 AM Tom_L: that's my trick :D
12:57 AM Tom_L: they come in catia as a drawing file
12:57 AM rue_: right
12:58 AM Tom_L: i pick what i want from the drawing and create a new part from it
12:58 AM rue_: right
12:58 AM Tom_L: into a sketch
12:58 AM rue_: sketch is 2d or 3d?
12:58 AM Tom_L: then i extrude it and save it out as an iges file
12:58 AM rue_: ah
12:58 AM Tom_L: sketch is 2d
12:58 AM Tom_L: so my cad cam will read it in fair
12:58 AM rue_: odd symantic difference between a drawing and a sketch?
12:58 AM Tom_L: i still have to patch some of the sides back together
12:59 AM rue_: all the programs I ahve do an autojoin of points less than .001 apart
12:59 AM Tom_L: 9 & 10 aren't gonna work as you have them drawn
12:59 AM Tom_L: open profiles
01:00 AM Tom_L: oh wait.
01:00 AM Tom_L: they're fine
01:00 AM rue_: layer 1 goes away
01:00 AM Tom_L: i zoomed in
01:00 AM rue_: so does layer 'bitprofile'
01:00 AM Tom_L: is that one part?
01:01 AM Tom_L: i don't get any layers
01:01 AM rue_: no its two, it gets hand routed, then cut apart
01:01 AM Tom_L: it's one flat file
01:01 AM rue_: hmm
01:01 AM Tom_L: you should separate them for me
01:01 AM rue_: they have to be post processed a) in the material blank b) as one part
01:01 AM Tom_L: hand routed?
01:01 AM Tom_L: for what?
01:02 AM rue_: yes, there is a ledge
01:02 AM rue_: I can take you a pic
01:02 AM Tom_L: can a cnc do that?
01:02 AM rue_: he just made 5 lefthand ones...
01:02 AM rue_: we didn't cause bit changes and or alignment and time
01:02 AM Tom_L: they fit together like scissors
01:02 AM Tom_L: i can see that
01:02 AM rue_: its faster and easier to do it by hand
01:02 AM rue_: I'll take a pic
01:03 AM Tom_L: i could cut 1/16 away if i knew where to remove it
01:07 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/test3.jpg
01:07 AM rue_: w dont ahve any in the middle stages of production
01:10 AM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/test4.jpg
01:10 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/p1090629.jpg the blank
01:10 AM Tom_L: now get me better data and i'll get you more complete parts
01:10 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/p1090630.jpg cnc cutting blank, 1mm bit, 1.5mm is max side due to that slot
01:10 AM Tom_L: what's the blank for?
01:11 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/p1090631.jpg
01:11 AM rue_: after hand routing
01:11 AM rue_: then its cut part and formed
01:11 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/p1090632.jpg
01:11 AM rue_: and released from the blank
01:11 AM Tom_L: is that a chamfer or radius?
01:11 AM Tom_L: or step
01:11 AM rue_: after that we ahve holes that go thru the lot of it and have pins and screws
01:11 AM Tom_L: looks like a step
01:11 AM rue_: its a step
01:12 AM Tom_L: i can cut that
01:12 AM Tom_L: easy
01:12 AM Tom_L: how deep?
01:12 AM rue_: I modified a dremel into a mini table router, and made a cutter with a pin on it
01:12 AM Tom_L: pfft
01:12 AM Tom_L: cut it on the cnc
01:12 AM rue_: I'd have to measure that
01:12 AM rue_: kinda
01:12 AM Tom_L: half the material thickness?
01:12 AM rue_: you have to do the main cutout witha 1.5mm bit, so to make the step, you either have to be really patient, or change bits
01:13 AM rue_: bit more, I'd have to masure
01:13 AM rue_: we play with it based on the paint cans\
01:13 AM Tom_L: does it have to be that small a bit?
01:13 AM rue_: yes, see that slot in there
01:13 AM Tom_L: what's th square part for?
01:13 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/p1090632.jpg
01:14 AM rue_: :) its quite a process
01:14 AM Tom_L: ok so the profile can be a bigger bit you just need bend slots
01:14 AM rue_: yup
01:14 AM Tom_L: and the rectangular cutout
01:14 AM rue_: right
01:14 AM Tom_L: which can be done with a bigger bit then cleaned up
01:15 AM rue_: if your into changing bits
01:15 AM rue_: it would take too long here
01:15 AM Tom_L: cut it all with a bigger bit then clean it all up with a smaller one
01:15 AM rue_: hand routing that ledge only takes a minute
01:15 AM rue_: again, bit changes
01:15 AM Tom_L: that can be done during the profile
01:15 AM Tom_L: same cutter
01:15 AM rue_: and what of the lots
01:15 AM rue_: their only 1.5mm
01:16 AM Tom_L: that's the last op
01:16 AM Tom_L: clean out the radiuses and do those slots
01:16 AM Tom_L: same bit
01:16 AM rue_: you cant move fast with a 1.5mm bit
01:16 AM Tom_L: i know
01:16 AM Tom_L: that's why you use a bigger one for most of it
01:16 AM rue_: that cnc job,
01:17 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/p1090630.jpg
01:17 AM rue_: that takes 16.5 hrs
01:17 AM Tom_L: oh god no
01:17 AM rue_: and faster and nomatter what 1mm or 1.5mm bit I use, breaks
01:18 AM Tom_L: what's that in inch?
01:18 AM Tom_L: i've got some 1/32 iirc
01:18 AM rue_: 59 thou
01:18 AM Tom_L: ^^ would those work?
01:18 AM Tom_L: it's what i cut my blue boxes out with
01:18 AM Tom_L: .063 iirc
01:18 AM rue_: yea thats 1mm
01:19 AM Tom_L: i'd have to check for sure
01:19 AM rue_: no wait
01:19 AM rue_: yea, its .79mm
01:19 AM rue_: you can go to 1.5mm
01:19 AM rue_: ... which is 0.059 inch
01:20 AM Tom_L: .063 ok?
01:20 AM Tom_L: that's a common size iirc
01:20 AM Tom_L: .0625
01:20 AM rue_: no, too big
01:20 AM rue_: the slot is .059
01:20 AM Tom_L: which slot?
01:20 AM Tom_L: the bend slots or the middle one
01:21 AM rue_: the band slots
01:22 AM rue_: the bend slots are .059"
01:22 AM rue_: and, actaully, I need to back them off, its making the material too small there
01:22 AM rue_: the aluminum is stress fracturing from the outside in
01:23 AM Tom_L: is it "O" material or tempered
01:23 AM rue_: the origional design (not mine) had that problem too, but he was cutting them with a saw, I'd hoped the round edges from the router would hold better
01:23 AM rue_: 6061 I think
01:23 AM rue_: marine grade aluminum
01:23 AM Tom_L: probably T6
01:23 AM rue_: god this frakeing keybaord is gdr=oing me buts
01:23 AM rue_: arg
01:24 AM Tom_L: ok i got the files at least
01:24 AM rue_: :)
01:24 AM Tom_L: and i think i can import them into my cad cam
01:24 AM rue_: and the sosftware is taking them
01:24 AM rue_: good I have to makea prooper keyabord
01:24 AM rue_: I haete keybaord I need to chipping hammer to type on
01:25 AM Tom_L: the only problem i see is the tiny cutter
01:25 AM Tom_L: i may not have one that small
01:25 AM rue_: how you gte the time down tho
01:25 AM rue_: if you speed up, bits break
01:25 AM rue_: and I have 12k rpm on my new machine
01:25 AM Tom_L: not if the machine is rigid
01:26 AM rue_: ok,......
01:26 AM Tom_L: i'll see what happens
01:26 AM rue_: I been thru almost 20 bits
01:26 AM Tom_L: non carbide for that may be better
01:27 AM Tom_L: ok rebooting back to 32bit..
01:32 AM Tom_L: i'll have to patch them but i think i can use them
08:23 AM Tom_L: https://dood.al/oscilloscope/#0.15,0.0,0,0,0,1,0.38,7,1,sin(2*PI*a*t)*cos(2*PI*b*t),cos(2*PI*a*t)*cos(2*PI*b*t),2,1.66,1,1.14,125,1,0,0
09:30 AM Tom_L: took cutter inventory. i've got at least one .0312" (1/32") cutter
10:47 AM ASRock_pc: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tpec4kJFfF4&feature=youtu.be
10:47 AM ASRock_pc: A8 proposed cutter path
10:48 AM Tom_L: .250 EM to profile, .125 to clean radius
10:50 AM Tom_L: i can put several on a grid
10:50 AM Tom_L: i left .005" on the bottom to hold it and punch out the parts
10:56 AM Tom_L: i may put a screw in each one of the larger holes to help hold it
11:26 AM rue_bed: Tom_L, cool scope link
11:26 AM rue_bed: thats some fast graphics
11:30 AM rue_bed: wow, that scope is a damn good piece of work
11:33 AM Tom_L: i thought you'd like the scope
11:35 AM rue_bed: hmm, no need to clean up that one with a smaller bit
11:35 AM rue_bed: that tip curve isn't critical
11:35 AM Tom_L: oh ok
11:35 AM Tom_L: well i think i'm gonna go with a .187 bit instead of the .250 anyway
11:36 AM Tom_L: i may try one with the .250 bit and see how the spindle motor likes it
11:36 AM Tom_L: if it were on a big maching i'd cut that with a .250 EM in one pass
11:36 AM Tom_L: ~10k rpm like butter
11:38 AM Tom_L: how many of each do you cut on a plate at once?
11:38 AM Tom_L: A9-10 probably 1
11:38 AM rue_bed: the plates we can fit in the sherline will fit 3
11:39 AM Tom_L: i'll have to see what material i can find
11:39 AM rue_bed: I can put a whole strip in the new cnc and do about 5 before the material needs to be moved
11:39 AM Tom_L: been using what little i had on the mill
11:40 AM Tom_L: i wish i had a load meter for the spindle motor
11:41 AM rue_bed: I was thinking that
11:41 AM Tom_L: just an ammeter?
11:41 AM rue_bed: because on the new one I use pwm, I was thinking of a % display
11:41 AM Tom_L: i put a 5A fuse on it
11:41 AM Tom_L: i've blown several 3A ones
11:42 AM rue_bed: you need a larger motor
11:42 AM Tom_L: i want actual load
11:42 AM Tom_L: i know i do
11:42 AM Tom_L: can you separate out A9 & 10 into 2 files?
11:43 AM rue_bed: I should have the files around somewhere
11:46 AM Tom_L: so i don't need the .
11:46 AM Tom_L: 125 cutter on A8
11:46 AM Tom_L: for that radius
11:47 AM rue_bed: shouldn't
11:47 AM rue_bed: your using which size?
11:47 AM Tom_L: i'm programming both .1875 and .250 to try
11:47 AM rue_: I use 1/8"
11:48 AM Tom_L: oh is .0312 ok for the slots?
11:48 AM rue_: hmm, I wasn't tuspposed to fall asleep like that last night, didn't have supper or shut anything down
11:48 AM Tom_L: i know, i can run the other cutters faster
11:48 AM rue_: the slots are 1.5mm, can be smaller
11:49 AM rue_: if you hold off on A9/10 I have to do a minor redesign anyhow
11:49 AM Tom_L: i was gonna anyway, not my favorite part design
11:49 AM rue_: need to change the radii in that square cutout and shallow those bend slots about 1mm
11:50 AM rue_: its the peice with the most flaws design wise
11:50 AM rue_: I need food, and.... arg
11:51 AM Tom_L: make A9 (square part) from .5" and remove all but the tabs so you don't have to bend them
11:51 AM Tom_L: how big do the tabs need to be?
11:51 AM Tom_L: the hangove part
11:51 AM Tom_L: hangover*
11:51 AM Tom_L: when bent
11:55 AM rue_: its hard to change anything
11:55 AM rue_: ripple effect
11:55 AM rue_: the tabs need to fit in the pipe
11:56 AM rue_: after banding them we have to grind them down
11:57 AM rue_: the pics I took are of the 3" model
11:59 AM Tom_L: how many are there?
11:59 AM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/Blowup.pdf
12:00 PM rue_: the 3" model has to be completely different from every other model, cause it combines the front and handle peices
12:00 PM rue_: from what I can tell, its what the origional guy started with, and he modified that for the extended versions
12:00 PM Tom_L: did you take over where someone else left off?
12:01 PM rue_: heh
12:01 PM rue_: so, back in about 96 I made an extended paintcan spray handle for my uncle who was a log scaler, it helped him with access to logs without as much bending over
12:01 PM Tom_L: i _should_ do a proper assembly for that in catia
12:02 PM rue_: sometime after that, a guy on vancouver island started producing these sprayers
12:02 PM rue_: a few years ago he died, and all the scalers needed more handles
12:03 PM Tom_L: so you will sell quite a few of these?
12:03 PM rue_: so me and a guy used one of his as a template and started making them
12:03 PM rue_: I think we almost sold 60 so far
12:03 PM Tom_L: nice
12:03 PM Tom_L: you need a better plan
12:03 PM Tom_L: what cad do you use?
12:03 PM rue_: I had 3 other people in at the start
12:04 PM Tom_L: probably down to 1 now ehh?
12:04 PM rue_: one of the guys helped me design the parts, and was motivation to do it
12:04 PM rue_: two of the other guys were doing assembly of stuff,
12:04 PM rue_: one of them went insane, completely flipped out
12:04 PM rue_: so now I keep the machines going and do design tweeks and the other guy is prettymuch doing the rest
12:05 PM Tom_L: i gotta go to a tax appt in a few min here
12:05 PM rue_: the target is $20/hr for him
12:05 PM rue_: were close
12:05 PM rue_: he's got no other work
12:05 PM rue_: I need to go wake up
12:05 PM Tom_L: wonder what shipping costs on parts
12:05 PM Tom_L: maybe not worth it?
12:06 PM Tom_L: i'll have time later this month to work more steady on it i think
12:07 PM Tom_L: for a week or two
12:08 PM Tom_L: hmm, looks like i'm missing a surface on A9-10 part
12:10 PM Tom_L: i think i can cheat on it though
12:10 PM Tom_L: ooo more than one
12:13 PM Tom_L: so you're using 1/2" bend tabs on .125 material
12:13 PM Tom_L: how wide are they apart between opposing tabs when bent on the shaft?
12:14 PM Tom_L: looks like about .669" i bet
12:15 PM Tom_L: err no maybe closer to 1/2"
12:16 PM Tom_L: i'm not gonna stop to calculate bend allowance
12:19 PM Tom_L: bbiab. tax.
12:46 PM rue_: we wondered about shipping
12:47 PM rue_: but honestly, shipping from you is probably close to shipping from vancouver
12:47 PM rue_: we paid $60 for a 10' peice of 1" aluminum pipe (no, just the shipping)
12:48 PM rue_: the bend allowance isnt' there
12:48 PM rue_: thats part of why they are failing
12:48 PM rue_: that and the aluminum
01:11 PM rue_: what do you think of r1 of my blowup
01:12 PM rue_: did you see the one part without a ref on it?
01:23 PM Tom_L: A4 and 'noname' should be the same
01:24 PM Tom_L: noname is bigger
01:25 PM Tom_L: you need the right aluminum if you're gonna bend it
01:25 PM Tom_L: i'd redesign that half and machine the tabs at the 90 deg as part of it
01:26 PM Tom_L: only about 1/4" or so 'clamp' part of them right?
01:27 PM Tom_L: so you'd have 3/8 or 1/2" plate for that and machine the rest away
01:27 PM Tom_L: and make the other half of the clamp separate
01:27 PM Tom_L: then you coule A) screw or B) rivet them to the pipe
01:29 PM Tom_L: A9 would be the most waste of material but a better design that wouldn't crack away
01:29 PM Tom_L: or make it from a more bendable material
01:30 PM Tom_L: if i were making alot of these, i'd make dies instead of parts
01:30 PM Tom_L: :)
03:53 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9.jpg
03:54 PM Tom_L: i'd do a little more blending but that's the idea
04:44 PM rue_: ok, for me: latch is A12, 3" lever is C3, normal lever is A8, front assembly is A9/A10
04:44 PM rue_: I think your right, the nonname is the same pin
04:45 PM rue_: its bends ok, but during use they stress fracture at from the first two relief cuts into that middle rectangle
04:46 PM rue_: Tom_L, yea, were still in low-production
04:46 PM rue_: Tom_L, I think you have athe.. yea, your shoulder is on the wrong side :)
04:46 PM rue_: or your tabs are bent the wrong way
04:46 PM rue_: we have made a few of those tho
04:47 PM rue_: :)
04:47 PM rue_: their in the 'bag of shame'
04:47 PM rue_: Tom_L, my other thought was to take some of the aluminum solder to the tabs after banding
04:47 PM rue_: e
04:48 PM rue_: hmmm I wonder
04:48 PM rue_: your image makes me think, why not have those sides run the length
04:48 PM rue_: I dont know, off the top of my head, if they interfear with the lever pin
04:49 PM Tom_L: i can fix the tabs
04:49 PM rue_: I'v considered losing the front tabs
04:49 PM rue_: the pipe it notched to hold the front anyhow
04:50 PM Tom_L: now look at it
04:51 PM rue_shop3: yes, the tabs being a strip across would screw up the pin access
04:51 PM Tom_L: huh?
04:51 PM rue_shop3: BUT
04:51 PM Tom_L: what cad do you use?
04:52 PM Tom_L: i can give you iges for 3d
04:52 PM rue_shop3: A9 can be removed from A7 with the lever in
04:52 PM rue_shop3: I have nothing that can work with iges
04:53 PM rue_shop3: I wonder if our clamp is good enough to fold a tab without pulling that rectangular cutout apart
04:56 PM Tom_L: if you could find the right size oetiker clamp that would hold it
04:57 PM rue_shop3: ?
04:57 PM rue_shop3: oetiker?
04:57 PM Tom_L: yeah
04:57 PM Tom_L: https://www.dixonvalve.com/products/group/Pinch-On%20Double%20Ear%20Clamp
04:58 PM rue_shop3: Secure Connection Failed
04:58 PM rue_shop3: for the can?
04:58 PM Tom_L: i have no idea really
04:58 PM rue_shop3: it all has to be servicable...
04:58 PM Tom_L: you're talking about your clamp design
04:59 PM Tom_L: around the can
05:00 PM rue_shop3: they go thru about 15 cans a day
05:00 PM rue_shop3: they say they can change cans with these 'one handed'
05:00 PM Tom_L: nice
05:01 PM rue_shop3: a fellow came up with a different sprayer that used a strap around the can, they REALLY didn't like it, and dispite it being reall tight, the can slipped
05:01 PM Tom_L: is that can recess i did ok?
05:01 PM Tom_L: .062
05:02 PM rue_shop3: we think they squeeze these REALLY tight, they are breaking the triggers we have tested, and those stress fractures have to be from the distortion when tehy squeeze the trigger and it presses down on the can
05:02 PM rue_shop3: oh let me measure
05:02 PM Tom_L: both ways
05:02 PM Tom_L: .062
05:03 PM rue_shop3: .091" is milled off
05:03 PM Tom_L: larger radius cutout?
05:03 PM rue_shop3: .091" deep
05:03 PM Tom_L: ok
05:03 PM Tom_L: so it needs to be deeper
05:03 PM rue_shop3: radius is .068
05:04 PM * Tom_L offers rue_shop3 a slice of pizza
05:04 PM rue_shop3: cholesterol!
05:09 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9.jpg
05:12 PM Tom_L: there's .466" between the tabs inside
05:15 PM rue_shop3: its a fraction
05:16 PM rue_shop3: should be 15/32
05:16 PM rue_shop3: only out by 3 thou :)
05:16 PM rue_shop3: root@blackie2:/tmp# fraction .466
05:16 PM rue_shop3: Best Match for 0.466000, is 15/32 (0.468750)
05:16 PM rue_shop3: Error is -0.002750
05:17 PM rue_shop3: so, your thinking to billet mill it?
05:17 PM Tom_L: would eliminate stress cracks
05:17 PM rue_shop3: its not a friendly peice to make is it?
05:17 PM Tom_L: would 2 rear tabs be enough?
05:18 PM rue_shop3: the stress cracks aren't from bending it
05:18 PM rue_shop3: its from use,
05:18 PM Tom_L: oh but bending begins that process
05:18 PM rue_shop3: maybe a little
05:18 PM rue_shop3: I can show you the one I tried to solder
05:18 PM Tom_L: what's your idea of this design so far?
05:18 PM Tom_L: i made one more mod.. just a sec
05:21 PM Tom_L: refresh it
05:21 PM Tom_L: got rid of those squares on the radius
05:22 PM rue_shop3: no those have to stay
05:22 PM Tom_L: oh?
05:22 PM rue_shop3: they clip into notches in A5
05:22 PM rue_shop3: the images I put up didn't have an A5 on them yet
05:23 PM Tom_L: you need to find a 3d modeler so you can view and inspect these
05:23 PM Tom_L: i'm sure there are free ones that import iges
05:24 PM Tom_L: i can do stl
05:24 PM rue_: I'll have to try lunch again
05:24 PM Tom_L: see you could print one before we machine it
05:25 PM rue_: everything I do is stl
05:25 PM Tom_L: and test fit it
05:28 PM rue_: images under way, stand by
05:29 PM rue_: I'll do these full size
05:30 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090633.jpg
05:30 PM rue_: thats how the head fits into the tube
05:30 PM Tom_L: ahh ok
05:30 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090634.jpg
05:30 PM Tom_L: makes sense now
05:30 PM rue_: BADLY fractured peice
05:31 PM Tom_L: is that bike chain?
05:31 PM rue_: usually, only that crack towads the can happens
05:31 PM rue_: yes :)
05:31 PM rue_: dont make it if you dont have to
05:31 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090635.jpg
05:31 PM rue_: different view
05:31 PM Tom_L: so back to the tabs
05:31 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090637.jpg
05:32 PM rue_: ditto, I tried to aluminum braze/solder this, but it wouldn't
05:32 PM Tom_L: you're putting yours on the outside of the tube?
05:32 PM rue_: no
05:32 PM rue_: those tabs are rounded off and go in the tube
05:32 PM Tom_L: what's the tube id?
05:32 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/p1090632.jpg
05:33 PM rue_: if you squint, you can see they have had the bottom ground away to make them round
05:33 PM Tom_L: see if you milled that, you can make that back part as thick as you want
05:33 PM rue_: 1"-2*(.067)
05:33 PM rue_: but LOTS of lost material
05:34 PM rue_: so, its guessed that the origional was made of 15mm plywood
05:35 PM Tom_L: why's that one clamped to the outside?
05:35 PM Tom_L: you just said they go inside
05:35 PM rue_: he later switched to hdpe, but couldn't get 15mm so he PLANED what he could get to the 15mm
05:35 PM Tom_L: oh that's the handheld model
05:35 PM rue_: inside the tube
05:35 PM rue_: there is a tube not on that one yet
05:35 PM rue_: it dosn't have the pins and screws thru it yet either
05:36 PM rue_: we do that all as one peice (the drilling)
05:36 PM Tom_L: so the weak spot is that neck
05:36 PM Tom_L: you should mill it thicker there
05:36 PM rue_: yea, and I been debating if the front tabs are more trouble than they help
05:36 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090634.jpg
05:37 PM Tom_L: they don't need to be there, the slot holds it
05:37 PM rue_: we had never seen one come apart this badly
05:37 PM rue_: yea, they might hurt more than they help
05:37 PM Tom_L: that's 1/8" right now right?
05:38 PM Tom_L: yeah that's what you told me...
05:38 PM rue_: we could just as well bring a screw up from the bottom of the pastic under it into a tapped hole in the middle of where that crack is, if it needs to be held down better
05:38 PM rue_: yup
05:38 PM rue_: oh, you can see in that image how the tabs are rounded
05:38 PM Tom_L: so make that part 1/4" up to the can
05:38 PM Tom_L: then round the rear tabs to fit the tube
05:39 PM rue_: for me, tahts waaaay too much added milling time
05:39 PM rue_: dont have the HP or the tool changer
05:39 PM Tom_L: i don't have a tool changer either
05:39 PM Tom_L: i'm just trying to make a better part
05:40 PM rue_: there is a local fellow who has the machines that could do it, I dont know if the project could incurr the extra cost
05:40 PM Tom_L: that blue thing fits inside the tube?
05:41 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090633.jpg
05:41 PM rue_: yellow in that one
05:41 PM Tom_L: what else does the yellow do?
05:41 PM rue_: the end shape is the same, the short one just incorperates the handle into it
05:42 PM rue_: its a spacer, mostly
05:42 PM rue_: holds the plate in the pipe and holds the pin
05:42 PM rue_: and has a toung to help support the end of the can holder
05:42 PM Tom_L: so
05:42 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/p1090632.jpg
05:43 PM rue_: see how the blue extends under the overhang?
05:43 PM Tom_L: make it from 1/4", loose the tabs and put a screw in from the top to the yellow
05:43 PM rue_: yellow is exactly the same
05:43 PM rue_: yes, but I dont know if we have to tools
05:43 PM Tom_L: since it's inside the tube
05:44 PM rue_: I CAN see machining a casting
05:44 PM rue_: but I'm sure that would be way too brittle
05:44 PM rue_: and their touchy about weight
05:45 PM rue_: not trying to shoot things down, I like these ideas
05:46 PM rue_: its partly at that stage of "were screwed if we change the design now" mentallity ;)
05:46 PM rue_: but the design does NEED fixing
05:46 PM rue_: I would have been tearing my hair out as we were copying the old deisgn, but I'm out.
05:47 PM rue_: I'm wondering about solutions that either a) involve a second peice that straps it to the plastic
05:47 PM rue_: or b) a welded blank (instead of the billot approach)
05:48 PM rue_: it looks like there is 1/8" above that peice for another 1/8" peice
05:49 PM rue_: another partial solution might be to make a force limit in the trigger, so that they cant squeeze it to death
05:50 PM rue_: the guy who designed it seems to have been a woodworker, I dont think he was versed at ll on metalergy
05:51 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9a.jpg
05:52 PM Tom_L: that's 1/4" thick
05:52 PM rue_: some size adujustment on the scerw, but its a direction
05:52 PM Tom_L: just grabbed a standard M3 M2... i forget
05:52 PM rue_: material would need to be thinned for the ends of the fork
05:53 PM rue_: also, to make life easier, the rectance can be radiused off to its width
05:53 PM rue_: rectangle
05:53 PM rue_: I just been looking at that
05:54 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090637.jpg
05:54 PM rue_: our bends are outside the relief cut
05:56 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9b.jpg
05:56 PM rue_: Tom_L, what if you made the other 1/8" of that 1/4" a different peice
05:56 PM rue_: it can be carried forward more, to help it on that overhang
05:56 PM Tom_L: don't follow you
05:56 PM rue_: oh you went down instead of up, hmmm
05:57 PM Tom_L: i can go the other way just took less time to show you
05:57 PM rue_: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9a.jpg
05:57 PM rue_: if from there, you take the excess off the top,
05:57 PM Tom_L: yeah i'll fix it
05:57 PM rue_: just for ~1/2" at the ends of the fork
05:57 PM Tom_L: gotta take the dogs out
05:57 PM rue_: k, I need lunch
05:57 PM rue_: see ya in a while
06:13 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9c.jpg
06:14 PM rue_shop3: yes, the thick bit can come forward more
06:14 PM Tom_L: what about the slot?
06:16 PM rue_shop3: the ends can be rounded to its radius without messing it up
06:16 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9d.jpg
06:16 PM rue_shop3: thats one of the changes I'm gonna make soon here
06:17 PM rue_shop3: there is a latch on the longer side, Its going to get in the way of that, it wold wor it the thick bit came straight out along its length
06:17 PM Tom_L: oh ok
06:17 PM rue_shop3: I'm not distracting you from anything else more interesting am I?
06:21 PM Tom_L: just making the parts to machine
06:22 PM Tom_L: oh, i gotta go get ice cream now...
06:22 PM Tom_L: bak in a few
06:22 PM rue_shop3: mmm icecream sounds good
06:22 PM rue_shop3: 4pm!?
06:22 PM Tom_L: this isn't right but i'll show you what i got
06:22 PM Tom_L: 6
06:23 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9e.jpg
06:23 PM Tom_L: i need a fillet around that radius
06:23 PM Tom_L: bak in a bit
06:23 PM rue_shop3: that should help it
06:24 PM Tom_L: we'll finish it and you can print one and test it
06:24 PM rue_shop3: sure
06:25 PM rue_shop3: I'm having an energy problem, I might need a stupid nap in a while
06:43 PM Tom_L: ok now what?
06:50 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9e.jpg
06:53 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/9.stl
06:53 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9.stl
06:53 PM Tom_L: stupid keyboard
07:02 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A10.jpg
07:03 PM rue_: hole for spring missing
07:03 PM rue_: iirc we hand locate it
07:04 PM rue_: middle of the bulb ona nd end
07:04 PM rue_: 1/16"
07:04 PM Tom_L: i didn't put the can groove in yet either
07:04 PM rue_: you do see how its faster to mix hand operations with the machines we have, right?
07:04 PM rue_: yup heh, missed that
07:05 PM Tom_L: i forgot how wide it was
07:05 PM Tom_L: it's .091 deep
07:05 PM Tom_L: .069
07:05 PM rue_: .091" deep radius is .068
07:06 PM rue_: interseting thing, the hole needs to have that 'eye' shape to give up the can properly
07:09 PM rue_: how many bits do you think thats doable in?
07:09 PM rue_: it looks liek 3 to me
07:09 PM Tom_L: 2
07:09 PM Tom_L: 3
07:09 PM Tom_L: 15
07:09 PM rue_: er, the http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9e.jpg
07:09 PM rue_: hah
07:09 PM Tom_L: i'll get a corner rounding bit
07:10 PM Tom_L: i might have one
07:10 PM rue_: but your looking at like 10 mins to change a bit and recalibrate
07:10 PM rue_: so, you would want a significant plate of pieces
07:10 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A10.jpg
07:11 PM Tom_L: no
07:11 PM rue_: looking good
07:11 PM Tom_L: 1-2 tops
07:11 PM Tom_L: i've got tool holders
07:11 PM Tom_L: i can preset them
07:11 PM rue_: hmm
07:11 PM Tom_L: rue_
07:11 PM Tom_L: see i use linuxcnc
07:11 PM Tom_L: you remember that cool software?
07:12 PM Tom_L: well your holder doesn't unscrew either
07:12 PM rue_: yea, I know, and it has a system that will implement M6 T2 for ya... er... for it...
07:12 PM rue_: ;)
07:12 PM Tom_L: did that L20 work out ?
07:12 PM rue_: m6? I dont remember
07:12 PM Tom_L: or was it another one
07:12 PM Tom_L: M6 is toolchange
07:13 PM rue_: I havn't sat down with it yet
07:13 PM rue_: haha! I'm remembering things
07:13 PM rue_: I have to delete G64 and M6 T0 from the nc file every time we regenerate it
07:13 PM rue_: both of them cause grbl errors
07:13 PM Tom_L: oh
07:13 PM Tom_L: ok what's next?
07:14 PM rue_: on A10
07:14 PM Tom_L: i gave you an stl
07:14 PM rue_: a 1/16" hole, middle of the other end
07:14 PM Tom_L: concentric with that dog's arc?
07:14 PM rue_: I can print the stl
07:14 PM Tom_L: stl is A9
07:14 PM rue_: yes..
07:14 PM rue_: dog?
07:14 PM rue_: hmm
07:15 PM Tom_L: what size hole?
07:15 PM rue_: yup I'll finish my pickles and get it printing
07:15 PM rue_: 1/6"
07:15 PM rue_: (someone stole my icecream)
07:16 PM rue_: namely MOTHER
07:16 PM rue_: |:-/
07:16 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A10.jpg
07:16 PM rue_: tahts it
07:16 PM rue_: your polygons are back
07:17 PM Tom_L: catia's bad about that visual
07:17 PM rue_: fiar enough
07:17 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A10.stl
07:18 PM rue_: damnit I'm still falling asleep
07:18 PM Tom_L: print those and try em
07:18 PM rue_: yep
07:18 PM Tom_L: lemme know
07:18 PM rue_: I'll download and run them on my printer after I wake up
07:18 PM rue_: cause I'm not gonna last long
07:18 PM rue_: damn
07:19 PM Tom_L: i'm not gonna get to play with the mill tonight :(
07:19 PM rue_: birthday or anneversary?
07:19 PM Tom_L: i wanna find a refractometer
07:19 PM Tom_L: no
07:19 PM Tom_L: gotta go get the kid now
07:19 PM Tom_L: then something else will come up i'm sure
07:19 PM rue_: final word isn't good enough?
07:20 PM Tom_L: and it's cold out and i just ate a bucket of ice cream
07:20 PM rue_: smirk
07:21 PM Tom_L: i forgot where i left off on putting cutters on these parts
07:21 PM Tom_L: wanted to try to improve that part though
07:22 PM rue_: ? whats to improve?
07:22 PM Tom_L: A9
07:22 PM Tom_L: is it better?
07:22 PM rue_: oh, A9
07:22 PM rue_: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9e.jpg
07:22 PM rue_: lets see how that does
07:23 PM Tom_L: that hole taper may not be quite there
07:23 PM rue_: the only problem I can forsee comming up is the raduis trim to the top of the pipe
07:23 PM Tom_L: i just guessed on it
07:23 PM rue_: fair enough, its a placeholder
07:23 PM rue_: "insert proper hole here"
07:23 PM Tom_L: i could do a cap screw instead
07:24 PM rue_: lets get a print and see
07:24 PM rue_: where we are
07:25 PM Tom_L: k, i'm out the door for 30 min or so
07:25 PM rue_: eyes snapping shut
07:26 PM Tom_L: just don't make it an all nighter
09:33 PM rue_: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A10.stl
09:34 PM rue_: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9.stl
09:36 PM Tom_L: what should i do with that?
09:36 PM Tom_L: those are just haystacks full of triangles
09:40 PM rue_: I was summarizing
09:40 PM rue_: I'm never gonna get to making myself into a bot as long as I keep needing sleep
09:42 PM Tom_L: i think i've got mmm 2 or 3 parts programmed now
09:43 PM Tom_L: took a bit of planning to fit my gridplate
09:43 PM Tom_L: i think i've got maybe 4 of each programmed so far
09:43 PM rue_shop3: gridplate?
09:43 PM rue_shop3: oh, for ganging
09:44 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/Mill_Steel/Assembly/Final/Sacrificial_plate.jpg
09:44 PM Tom_L: i'll run a bolt thru the holes i predrill
09:44 PM Tom_L: then stick a clamp on the excess
09:44 PM rue_shop3: I did the first few test-cuts on my machine into some doorskin as test material
09:45 PM Tom_L: i just raise the cutters once then go for it
09:46 PM Tom_L: trying not to over do the load on the cutters
09:47 PM Tom_L: how many passes do you make on the 1/8" parts?
09:50 PM rue_shop3: I go about 3.8mm, zero is 1/4mm over and overcut is 1/4mm and passes are, I think 0.2mm = 19 passes
09:50 PM Tom_L: wow
09:50 PM rue_shop3: at 10mm/min = 16.5hrs machining time
09:50 PM Tom_L: 3 passes here
09:50 PM rue_shop3: for a 1mm bit?
09:50 PM Tom_L: oh hell no
09:50 PM rue_shop3: I'd have to see it to beleive it
09:51 PM Tom_L: i'm using a 5/16 cutter
09:51 PM rue_shop3: thats a lot of material
09:51 PM Tom_L: the thicker stuff is more passes
09:51 PM Tom_L: half the diameter deep
09:51 PM Tom_L: it will do that
09:51 PM Tom_L: hopefully around 3 to 6 ipm
09:52 PM Tom_L: probably around 3500 to 4k rpm
09:52 PM Tom_L: i'm just guessing those, i didn't calculate it
09:53 PM Tom_L: starting on C3
09:54 PM rue_shop3: haha, the stl is 25.4x too small
09:54 PM rue_shop3: I can scale
09:54 PM Tom_L: oops, sorry
10:04 PM rue_shop3: ok printing...
10:04 PM rue_shop3: never made one out of plastic
10:05 PM Tom_L: how long does that take?
10:05 PM Tom_L: making the A9?
10:06 PM rue_shop3: eta 38mins
10:06 PM Tom_L: not bad
10:06 PM Tom_L: better than milling one
10:08 PM rue_shop3: what can I use to nicely etch aluminum foil?
10:09 PM rue_shop3: I tried lye, its all bubbles and no etching
10:09 PM rue_shop3: oh #chemistry
10:13 PM Tom_L: i dunno
10:49 PM rue_shop3: its done
10:49 PM Tom_L: how's it look?
10:53 PM rue_shop3: good, the radius across the top needs a major adjust
10:53 PM Tom_L: larger radius?
10:53 PM rue_shop3: pipe ID is 0.87"
10:53 PM rue_shop3: the top of the peice is almost exactly up against the top of it
10:54 PM rue_shop3: filing...
10:55 PM rue_shop3: !....
10:56 PM rue_shop3: I think its too much to file back
10:57 PM rue_shop3: want to try to radius the top off with D=0.87"
10:57 PM rue_shop3: ?
10:57 PM Tom_L: i can
10:57 PM rue_shop3: I'll take pics of what I can show
10:58 PM Tom_L: so .435" radius
11:01 PM rue_: yup
11:01 PM Tom_L: can't
11:03 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090639.jpg
11:03 PM rue_: with the top of the radius just about the top of the material?
11:03 PM Tom_L: i can do that
11:03 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090641.jpg
11:03 PM Tom_L: well, to the slot edge anyway
11:04 PM rue_: ^^ tried to file it, too much material, I have it jammed in there
11:04 PM Tom_L: the material is .250 thick so that's the max radius you can get
11:04 PM rue_: right, you want to subtract the tube from it
11:04 PM rue_: the tube is 1" OD with a .067" wall
11:04 PM Tom_L: if i make the radius bigger than that it errors out
11:04 PM rue_: right, but youcan subtract another interfearing object cant ya?
11:05 PM Tom_L: yeah
11:05 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090642.jpg
11:05 PM rue_: ^ this tube has the upper teeth broken off, but you can see its totally on the right track
11:05 PM rue_: again, its too big but I have it wedged in there
11:06 PM rue_: its pushing the blue peice down
11:06 PM rue_: I'll take the belt sander too it while you play?
11:10 PM Tom_L: i'm done already
11:10 PM rue_shop3: this is interesting
11:11 PM rue_shop3: we may have to make the back longer, and I modify the 'blue' peice
11:11 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9e.jpg
11:11 PM rue_shop3: there is no meat where you have the screw, but there is the possability further back, easy change, lets ignore
11:11 PM Tom_L: you're gonna need a ballnose to machine that
11:12 PM rue_shop3: yup, you cold even move it 'down' just a bit in the pipe
11:12 PM Tom_L: wanna print that one?
11:12 PM rue_shop3: well, it dosn't HAVE to be round, it can be a poly approximation
11:13 PM rue_shop3: can you move it 'down' just a hair in the pipe, so that there is, maybe, approx a 1/16" flat across the top
11:13 PM rue_shop3: :) that was fast
11:13 PM Tom_L: what was the diameter again?
11:13 PM Tom_L: the ID
11:13 PM rue_shop3: technically...
11:14 PM rue_shop3: 0.866
11:14 PM rue_shop3: did you have to make a tube to do it?
11:14 PM rue_shop3: the belt sander did good
11:14 PM rue_shop3: just gonna chop the back off a bit to fit the blue peice I have there
11:15 PM rue_shop3: (expected intervesion conflict)
11:16 PM Tom_L: what else do you want?
11:16 PM Tom_L: longer part?
11:16 PM rue_shop3: so
11:17 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9e.jpg
11:17 PM rue_shop3: for the screw idea to work, I need to trim that spacer somewhat, and A9 needs to be longer at the back (where the screw is)
11:17 PM Tom_L: how much longer?
11:17 PM rue_shop3: basically, moving the screw hole back about...
11:18 PM rue_shop3: 1/2"
11:18 PM rue_shop3: I have to modify my 3d printed spacer, but thats ok, its a minor change
11:20 PM Tom_L: refresh
11:21 PM rue_: did you move the screw back too?
11:21 PM Tom_L: yeah a little
11:21 PM rue_: 1/2"
11:21 PM Tom_L: it's 1/2" from the end
11:21 PM rue_: needs to be 1/2" back from where it was to work
11:21 PM Tom_L: yeah well i don't know where that was :D
11:21 PM rue_: much more and we hit other things, much less and we hit the slot for that lever
11:22 PM rue_: hehe
11:22 PM Tom_L: so we'll have to go from here forward
11:22 PM rue_: just a sec, whats the distance from the 'square shoulder' to the screw?
11:22 PM Tom_L: .433 to the centerline of the screwhole
11:23 PM Tom_L: back of the slot face to the centerline of the screw
11:23 PM rue_: the squre bit that fits in the pipe
11:23 PM rue_: twoards the front
11:23 PM rue_: we want to be about 2" back from that
11:24 PM Tom_L: from the can cutout?
11:24 PM Tom_L: to the hole
11:24 PM rue_: nope
11:24 PM rue_: that tab you removed in a version
11:24 PM rue_: just a sec
11:24 PM Tom_L: those are gone
11:24 PM Tom_L: reference from the latest model
11:25 PM Tom_L: btw will an M3 fit in that hole?
11:26 PM rue_: hold up, I needs to post things...
11:27 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/A9e.jpg
11:27 PM Tom_L: ok
11:28 PM rue_: its all good till your mouse hits an object on the desk, like its edge
11:28 PM rue_: about 2" +-0.2"
11:28 PM Tom_L: that puts it real close to the part edge
11:28 PM Tom_L: .114" from the edge
11:30 PM rue_: you can make it longer, there 1.25" of room
11:30 PM Tom_L: the whole part?
11:30 PM rue_: that back can go back further
11:31 PM rue_: by up to 1.25" but maybe keep it down
11:31 PM rue_: just to whats needed for the screw
11:31 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090639.jpg
11:31 PM rue_: images:
11:31 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090641.jpg
11:31 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090642.jpg
11:31 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9e.jpg
11:31 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090643.jpg
11:31 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090644.jpg
11:31 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090645.jpg
11:31 PM rue_: ^^ I just lopped the end off to make it fit my other peice for now
11:32 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090646.jpg
11:32 PM Tom_L: ^^
11:32 PM Tom_L: refresh
11:32 PM rue_: ^^ as it was, the screw fell into that slot
11:32 PM rue_: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/tom/p1090647.jpg
11:32 PM rue_: ok, you can shorten it up against the screw a bit if you want
11:33 PM rue_: but yea, lets reprint
11:33 PM Tom_L: i don't care, whatever makes it fit
11:33 PM Tom_L: i added .5 to the overall length
11:33 PM Tom_L: and put the screw 2" from the shoulder
11:33 PM rue_: ok
11:33 PM rue_: stl?
11:34 PM rue_: we might have about 8 more mins before that plastic breaks on that stupid printer
11:34 PM Tom_L: i gotta find it
11:35 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/A9E.stl
11:35 PM Tom_L: i hope
11:37 PM rue_shop3: its rendered a bit different, not worrried
11:37 PM Tom_L: is that slot for teh can ok?
11:37 PM rue_shop3: seems fine
11:38 PM rue_shop3: est 34 mins
11:38 PM rue_shop3: (bumped the speed to 110%)
11:38 PM Tom_L: u in a hurry?
11:43 PM rue_shop3: I want to see!
11:47 PM rue_shop3: #%@$#%^ plastic broke
11:47 PM Tom_L: one of the braces?
11:47 PM rue_shop3: trasparent stuff sucks
11:47 PM Tom_L: oh the filament
11:47 PM rue_shop3: y
11:49 PM rue_shop3: tried a live-refeed, might work, might not
11:49 PM rue_shop3: did you catch all those images?
11:49 PM Tom_L: most of em
11:50 PM rue_shop3: the ONLY other problem MIGHT be with the lever and interfearance with the thicker material
11:50 PM rue_shop3: I need to assemble more to know
11:50 PM rue_shop3: working on it, but I seem to be becoming the job boss who dosn't actaully know how the work is done anymore
11:51 PM Tom_L: that's why we're printing one
11:52 PM Tom_L: u can tell him you hired a consultant from merica to fix it
11:52 PM rue_shop3: we been talking about getting help with making peices
11:52 PM rue_shop3: he was interested in the cutting services of the metal supermarket
11:53 PM rue_shop3: I got a price from a waterjet cutter on van island
11:53 PM rue_shop3: its only economic in scale
11:53 PM Tom_L: after using some of these newer tools, my cad cam is pretty slow and dated
11:53 PM rue_shop3: ditto chineese made custom springs
11:53 PM Tom_L: but it works and it's paid for itself several times over
11:54 PM Tom_L: we've got a spring shop here
11:54 PM Tom_L: never been in but they wind customs stuff
11:54 PM Tom_L: i got plent of wire
11:54 PM Tom_L: what gage is it?
11:55 PM Tom_L: i got up to 22 maybe
11:55 PM Tom_L: in half sizes
11:56 PM rue_shop3: 0.051"
11:56 PM Tom_L: mapes is the best there is
11:56 PM rue_shop3: ??
11:57 PM Tom_itx: https://www.mapesstrings.com/
11:59 PM Tom_L: roslau is good too