#garfield Logs
Feb 26 2017
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03:35 AM rue_house: whats NCstudio?
03:42 AM rue_house: sounds like its a disaster :)
08:43 AM Tom_itx is now known as Tom_L
12:14 PM jym: rue_house: Tried adding a "fuel bin", basically making the "J" instead of just an elbow. Didn't help.
12:14 PM jym: rue_house: Only got up to 360F
12:15 PM jym: rue_house: When it cools off, I'm going to cut off an inch from the inside of the updraft tube, that should give 2.5" from the top of the inside of the barrel, hopefully that is the restriction on the draw.
12:16 PM jym: The only other thing I can speculate is his design is using a 33gal sized container with 3" tubing, where I'm using 55gal and 3" tubing.
12:17 PM jym: rue_house: Maybe the capacity it just too much for 3" exhaust tube
12:50 PM Tom_L: rue
12:51 PM Tom_L: is it possible to make a PCI -> ISA adapter that would work for legacy cards?
12:57 PM jym: Tom_L: Why not just get a pci paraport card that actually supports DOS, and not just "DOS Mode" ?
12:57 PM Tom_L: BECAUSE I CAN'T FIND ONE
12:57 PM jym: I gave you a link to one yesterday
12:57 PM Tom_L: you did?
12:58 PM jym: Tom_L: Yes... 2017-02-25.18:31:55 jym: Tom_itx: https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/Parallel/1-Port-PCI-Parallel-Adapter-Card~PCI1P2
12:59 PM Tom_L: i was just on their website looking
12:59 PM jym: Tom_L: Also... 2017-02-25.18:35:18 jym: Tom_itx: http://www.sunix.com.tw/product/par5008a.html
01:00 PM jym: Tom_L: bottom of that page " * LPT port does not support legacy 278/378 ISA address under Windows nor Linux operation systems, but only DOS mode."
01:00 PM Tom_L: i seriously doubt the first one would work
01:00 PM jym: IT's the same chipset.
01:01 PM Tom_L: what chip is it?
01:01 PM jym: adn scroll down on the last link there is a DOS drivers
01:01 PM jym: read the fucking links, jeeese
01:01 PM Tom_L: i've been chasing links for 2 weeks
01:01 PM jym: I gave you all this yesterday. and even quoted you the relevant poarts
01:02 PM jym: parts*
01:02 PM Tom_L: http://www.sunix.com.tw/product/par5008a.html
01:02 PM Tom_L: that one?
01:02 PM jym: At least dont make me feel that the effort I put forth is shit.
01:02 PM Tom_L: aww
01:03 PM Tom_L: the problem is so many say they will work but won't
01:03 PM Tom_L: the one i have maps to 0x278
01:03 PM jym: Then pick up the phone and call them
01:04 PM jym: (626) 765-4031
01:04 PM jym: California time
01:04 PM Tom_L: it's sunday
01:04 PM jym: seriosuly dude?!
01:04 PM Tom_L: i'm planning to
01:07 PM Tom_L: supports DOS 6.22 on x86 machines only
01:08 PM Tom_L: same shit
01:09 PM Tom_L: their driver looks like it may be a bit more complete than most of the others
01:17 PM Tom_itx: https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815114015
01:17 PM Tom_itx: same card?
01:19 PM Tom_L: i may give one a try
01:19 PM Tom_L: wouldn't be the first twenty bux i wasted if it doesn't work
01:23 PM Tom_L: the x86 thing concerns me
01:27 PM rue_house: its prolly just a generic parallel port
01:28 PM rue_house: Tom_itx, pnp, you should be able to remap it
01:28 PM rue_house: easy under linux
01:29 PM rue_house: its ironic, cuase your the fpga guy :)
01:30 PM rue_house: you dont have a pci fpga dev board?
01:33 PM Tom_L: nope
01:33 PM Tom_L: dos print says the current one isn't online when it's mapped to 0x278
01:33 PM rue_house: huh
01:34 PM rue_house: aaah
01:34 PM rue_house: you have to manually twiddle the pnp
01:34 PM rue_house: do you have a motherboard that supports non-pnp os'?
01:34 PM Tom_L: in dos 6.22?
01:34 PM Tom_L: nope
01:34 PM rue_house: if so, they will let you set the addresses on the motherboard
01:34 PM rue_house: OTHERWISE
01:34 PM Tom_L: i may have an old one on the pile but may need recapped
01:34 PM rue_house: there is a way, dont ask how, to load a .sys file that can configure your pnp devices
01:34 PM Tom_L: trying to take the easy way first
01:35 PM Tom_L: these cards don't come with .sys files
01:35 PM Tom_L: they come with .exe files
01:36 PM rue_house: if you can get them to unpack, one of the files may be the .sys you want
01:36 PM rue_house: do you havea virtual windows machine?
01:36 PM Tom_L: no, it twiddles with the settings itself
01:36 PM Tom_L: no virtual machine here
01:37 PM rue_house: hmm, dont know how you could otherwise unpack without making a mess
01:38 PM Tom_L: i've got another p100 but really would rather update the hardware a bit
01:39 PM Tom_L: the newer but still old mb i have need work
01:39 PM rue_house: most of the intermediate motherboards had a "non-pnp os" setting where the bios would do the pnp set up for the os
01:39 PM rue_house: and present it as a normal card
01:40 PM Tom_L: yeah, the board i'm using has no port settings
01:41 PM rue_house: its specifically called 'non-pnp os"
01:41 PM rue_house: its a switch
01:41 PM Tom_L: got one?
01:42 PM rue_house: most of the motherbaords I ahve are that age
01:42 PM rue_house: from PII thru till about 5 years ago or so
01:44 PM rue_house: "
01:44 PM rue_house: PNP OS Installed
01:44 PM rue_house: Yes: The BIOS will initialize mainboard devices, PCI and AGP cards but not ISA PnP cards.
01:44 PM rue_house: No: The BIOS will also attempt to initialize ISA PnP cards. This is a desperate way to maybe get a PnP card to work when you have no drivers for it.
01:44 PM rue_house: "
01:44 PM rue_house: I'm looking for any mention of a utility for setting pnp under dos
01:44 PM rue_house: I'v done it manually under linux, its not hard
01:45 PM rue_house: the card presents its options and you select which set you want it to use
01:45 PM rue_house: its just software jumpers
01:45 PM Tom_L: phone..
01:46 PM * rue_house tries to phone Tom_L, but just gets a busy signal
01:49 PM Tom_L: i don't think a PCI -> ISA adapter would work anyway because of the buss clock is higher
01:50 PM Tom_L: guess i better start rewriting it for windows
01:51 PM Tom_L: ^^ last on the list i seem to be exhausting quickly
01:51 PM rue_house: your problem is pnp
01:51 PM rue_house: thats all
01:51 PM jym: That SHOULD be a setting in the BIOS
01:52 PM rue_house: they removed it from really new bios'
01:52 PM rue_house: AHA
01:52 PM jym: ah
01:52 PM Tom_L: jym, this bios has no settings
01:52 PM rue_house: I know what you can do tom
01:52 PM rue_house: tom...
01:52 PM rue_house: I have a solution, your not going to like it
01:52 PM Tom_L: go back to paper and pencil?
01:52 PM rue_house: nope
01:52 PM Tom_L: i usually don't
01:52 PM jym: cardbus?
01:53 PM rue_house: boot linux, not run linux, BOOT linux
01:53 PM rue_house: linux can configure all the pnp stuff, and linux now uses a chain loader
01:53 PM jym: WINE?
01:53 PM rue_house: after the linux finishes that would normally boot linux, you have it boot dos instead
01:53 PM rue_house: because there was no reboot in between, the pnp cards are left configured
01:53 PM Tom_L: this pc is dual boot
01:54 PM Tom_L: the new one is DOS6.22 / win7
01:54 PM rue_house: c h a i n loader
01:54 PM Tom_L: the old one is dos 6.22 / win nt4
01:54 PM rue_house: you have it boot linux which configures the pnp and then loads dos
01:54 PM jym: Tom_L: Not any more it aint =)
01:54 PM Tom_L: don't follow but is listening
01:54 PM Tom_L: is so
01:54 PM Tom_L: it's not dead yet
01:54 PM rue_house: how linux works
01:55 PM rue_house: there is a program that loads a program that boots linux that boots linux
01:55 PM jym: Tom_L: Are you just being cheap? Get another system for M$
01:55 PM rue_house: (stupid eh?)
01:55 PM rue_house: so instead, you have that last step boot dos instead
01:55 PM Tom_L: no i'm not being cheap. i need a new solution for an old problem
01:55 PM jym: hardware is cheap, setup dos as a dedicated box
01:56 PM Tom_L: rue_house, you're repeating yourself
01:56 PM rue_house: yoru suing the same machine do get around the file transfer issues aren't you?
01:56 PM Tom_L: jym, i have a dedicated box for it
01:56 PM jym: Tom_L: you said it was dual boot, that is NOT dedicated.
01:56 PM Tom_L: i've got roughly 10 pcs running at any given time here
01:56 PM rue_house: so, the grub loader loads grub, then grub loads linux, then linux loads dos, pnp configured, problem solved
01:57 PM Tom_L: jym, there are things that dos just won't do that need doing for this applicaton
01:57 PM rue_house: its too bad usb keys dont work under dos eh?
01:57 PM jym: There is a MS-DOS network sharing
01:57 PM Tom_L: after printer support went away and went to all windows drivers that kinda limits the IO for dos
01:57 PM jym: you just have to use realport drivers is all
01:58 PM rue_house: Tom_L, mach3?
01:58 PM Tom_L: fack mach3
01:58 PM rue_house: k..
01:58 PM rue_house: so ?
01:58 PM Tom_L: what's that got to do with this?
01:58 PM rue_house: I'm trying to understand why you need a parallel port on a dos machine
01:58 PM jym: MSDOS network sharing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3spvf2br_o
01:59 PM rue_house: jym, done it, painfull, kinda worked
01:59 PM Tom_L: to support old forms printers that need used
01:59 PM rue_house: ah
01:59 PM Tom_L: the rest i can save to file if needed and print in windows
01:59 PM rue_house: that needs a specific dos app?
01:59 PM Tom_L: that's how i handled that last program i wrote
01:59 PM jym: rue_house: not THAT painful and only solution
01:59 PM Tom_L: yes
02:00 PM rue_house: what if I gave you an rs232 -> parallel adapter?
02:00 PM Tom_L: unfortunately inkjets won't print multi layer forms
02:00 PM rue_house: same vintage as your problem
02:00 PM rue_house: gotcha
02:00 PM jym: ethernet to parallel adapter
02:01 PM Tom_L: no drivers for the printers
02:01 PM Tom_L: try again
02:01 PM rue_house: but the program only runs under dos?
02:01 PM Tom_L: yes unless i rewrite it
02:01 PM rue_house: dos dont do drivers
02:01 PM jym: drivers for what?
02:01 PM jym: ASCII/ANSI bitches!
02:01 PM Tom_L: the card i have does work in windows
02:02 PM Tom_L: there are no print drives for the printers for windows
02:02 PM rue_house: god windows is stupid
02:02 PM Tom_L: i found one that did work somewhat for one of them
02:02 PM rue_house: its a generic pnp interface
02:02 PM jym: setup DOS as a VM
02:02 PM rue_house: but they will insist the card id match
02:02 PM rue_house: too bad I gave up on windows before learing to write .inf files for stupid problems like this
02:03 PM Tom_L: they have a program i can convert this to windows with windows print support but i'm avoiding it to the bitter end
02:03 PM rue_house: is it a microline printer?
02:03 PM Tom_L: i don't like what i've tested in the windows app
02:03 PM jym: If dos is a VM, then it can "see" the paraport
02:03 PM Tom_L: rue_house, no
02:03 PM Tom_L: one is lexmark
02:03 PM Tom_L: one is HP
02:03 PM rue_house: oh, I have usb cards for microline printers
02:03 PM rue_house: and serial cards
02:04 PM Tom_L: the HP actually does both DB25 and USB
02:04 PM Tom_L: i've got it wired to 2 pcs at the same time
02:04 PM rue_house: its gotta love that
02:04 PM Tom_L: works flawlessly
02:04 PM rue_house: who? where? what!
02:05 PM rue_house: hmm
02:05 PM Tom_L: i've never seen a printer that did both before
02:05 PM rue_house: so, no onboards parallel on the pc, and no non-pnp os setting for the bios
02:05 PM rue_house: hmmm
02:05 PM Tom_L: there is one parallel port on the MB that does work
02:05 PM Tom_L: i've tried it on both printers
02:05 PM Tom_L: with dos
02:06 PM Tom_L: any add on does not
02:06 PM rue_house: you need to run two parallel printerS?!
02:06 PM Tom_L: back to the old parallel switch box
02:06 PM rue_house: well, geez
02:06 PM rue_house: sounds like you need one of the jumpered pci cards I have
02:06 PM Tom_L: it's one i can't seem to find a solution for
02:06 PM rue_house: OR
02:06 PM Tom_L: i'd love to try one
02:06 PM rue_house: }:]
02:07 PM rue_house: OR
02:07 PM * rue_house does evil laugh
02:07 PM rue_house: we make a pata parallel port :-))))
02:07 PM rue_house: cmon
02:07 PM rue_house: cmon
02:07 PM rue_house: you know you want to
02:07 PM rue_house: cmon...
02:07 PM rue_house: dooooo iiiit....
02:08 PM rue_house: I'll show you how, cmon
02:08 PM Tom_L: if i though it had a chance in hell...
02:08 PM rue_house: it does
02:08 PM rue_house: you just tell dos to remap the lptx port
02:08 PM Tom_L: in dos?
02:08 PM rue_house: yea
02:08 PM rue_house: config.sys man
02:08 PM rue_house: cmon
02:08 PM Tom_L: i already tried remapping the port
02:08 PM Tom_L: with this card
02:08 PM rue_house: what port is the card on?
02:09 PM Tom_L: unless i'm convinced, i'm not willing to sacrifice hours trying
02:09 PM Tom_L: lpt2 0x278
02:09 PM rue_house: ok, what is the native port at?
02:09 PM Tom_L: MB is lpt1 at 0x378
02:09 PM rue_house: 378?
02:09 PM rue_house: k
02:09 PM Tom_L: the plugin card uses INT 10
02:09 PM rue_house: how do you know that the card is there without pnp?
02:09 PM rue_house: can you turn on an led with it?
02:10 PM Tom_L: the printer burps on a reboot for one
02:10 PM rue_house: meh
02:10 PM Tom_L: haven't trid the led trick
02:10 PM Tom_L: i lost my damn led dongle thing...
02:10 PM rue_house: still have a parport led thing?
02:10 PM Tom_L: remember that?
02:10 PM Tom_L: ^^
02:10 PM Tom_L: i can do some digging if you still have that program
02:10 PM Tom_L: i lost it
02:11 PM Tom_L: i was looking a while back
02:11 PM rue_house: I can write you a qbasic program to tickle the leds
02:11 PM Tom_L: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Q1900M%20Pro3/
02:11 PM Tom_L: fwiw, the mb we're dealing with
02:12 PM Tom_L: i've got it and a itx version of it
02:12 PM Tom_L: and an atom D525 i could use if i need to
02:12 PM Tom_L: and 2 old amd boards
02:12 PM Tom_L: they need help
02:13 PM rue_house: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/tutorials/prog/parport2/punk.jpg
02:13 PM rue_house: http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/tutorials/prog/parport2/2simple.gif
02:13 PM Tom_L: yeah yeah, i've got the same jpg
02:13 PM Tom_L: just can't find it
02:14 PM * rue_house points to toms LED drawr
02:14 PM Tom_L: i filled the plug with leds though
02:14 PM rue_house: whatever
02:14 PM Tom_L: most of mine are smt anymore
02:14 PM rue_house: "most"
02:15 PM Tom_L: what's this gonna get me if i can find it?
02:16 PM rue_house: that the port works and where it is
02:18 PM Tom_L: i seriously don't know where to look for it.. checked the obvious places
02:18 PM Tom_L: i'll keep diggin
02:18 PM rue_house: 0x378 0x278 0x3bc 0x2000
02:18 PM Tom_L: do you have an old card you think might be configurable?
02:19 PM Tom_L: never heard of the 0x2000 before
02:19 PM Tom_L: btw, this one defaults to 0xE000
02:19 PM Tom_L: remaps to 0x278 as the first choice then 0x378
02:20 PM rue_house: was just looking, can only find the pnp cards
02:20 PM rue_house: maybe we just check and see if its on e000
02:21 PM rue_house: "E-thousand? THATS WHY NONE OF HIS NUMBERS ARE WORKING FOR US!!! they aren't base 10, there base 16!"
02:28 PM Tom_L: rue, what are the 18-22 pins on the plug?
02:34 PM Tom_L: by george, guess what i found!
02:36 PM Tom_L: ok rue_house, now i need that tes program again
02:55 PM Tom_L: i should just pull this MB and check for cold solder joints
02:56 PM Tom_L: it wouldn't surprise me as many times as those ribbons have been plugged and unplugged
03:07 PM Tom_L: haha rue_house!
03:07 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/parport/parport.mp4
03:07 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/parport/PP_Card.jpg
03:07 PM Tom_L: ready when you are
03:10 PM Tom_L: don't think i have any of the tools installed anymore though
03:21 PM Tom_L: mmm can't find the old c program we had
03:24 PM jym: Tom_L: Have you even TRIED a DOS VM?
03:24 PM jym: If it works, then it'll work anywhere in the future
03:24 PM Tom_L: never
03:25 PM jym: and iirc FreeDOS supported LFN too
03:25 PM jym: or use DOS 7
03:26 PM jym: If not, use DOS 6.21, not 6.22
03:26 PM Tom_L: why not .22?
03:26 PM jym: unnecessary bloat
03:26 PM jym: But I prefer DOS 7
03:27 PM jym: I like the LFN compatability
03:28 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/why/RR_index.php
04:30 PM rue_house: qbasic
04:30 PM Tom_L: no, where's that c program we had?
04:30 PM Tom_L: i bet i have it on some hdd here lost in the pile
04:30 PM rue_house: just use qbasic
04:31 PM Tom_L: gonna eat lunch first
04:31 PM rue_house: port = 888
04:31 PM rue_house: out port, 255
04:31 PM rue_house: out port, 0
04:31 PM rue_house: zippo:~$ calc 0x378
04:31 PM rue_house: 0x378 -->> 888
04:31 PM rue_house: zippo:~$ calc 0x278
04:31 PM rue_house: 0x278 -->> 632
04:32 PM rue_house: zippo:~$ calc 0xE000
04:32 PM rue_house: 0xE000 -->> 57344
04:32 PM rue_house: if you need to there is a way to redefine lpt2 to E000
04:33 PM Tom_L: did you see my mp4?
04:33 PM Tom_L: surprised i still had it
04:33 PM rue_house: it didn't play
04:33 PM rue_house: 1 min
04:33 PM rue_house: hah
04:34 PM rue_house: thats quite the show
04:34 PM Tom_L: too bad i can't find it
04:34 PM Tom_L: i'd try using the code
04:35 PM Tom_L: remember what it was called?
04:35 PM rue_house: just use qbasic
04:35 PM rue_house: your in dos anyhow
04:36 PM rue_house: you cant compile it under windows for dos without a fight anyhow
04:36 PM rue_house: out 888, 85
04:36 PM Tom_L: i had that c program i used
04:36 PM rue_house: I have to go get a bail of alfalfa
04:36 PM Tom_L: hungry?
04:36 PM rue_house: I only have 2 hours, I'd better hurry
04:37 PM rue_house: 85 is 0x55 is 01010101
04:37 PM rue_house: then you can find your port
04:37 PM jym: rue_house: then get your ass off irc =)
04:37 PM Tom_L: rue_house, you feedin the moose now?
04:37 PM rue_house: I'm running a cnc job, as that means I'm already doing something I can loaf and not be making no progress
04:37 PM rue_house: potatoes like it
04:38 PM Tom_L: oh yeah i forgot about that
04:38 PM Tom_L: i did that too
04:38 PM jym: ground cover?
04:38 PM Tom_L: no
04:38 PM Tom_L: they like it
04:38 PM Tom_L: put some in the hole
04:38 PM Tom_L: underneath it
04:39 PM Tom_L: i dip the slices in sulfur too
04:39 PM jym: as food?
04:39 PM Tom_L: puts a skin where you cut em for planting
04:39 PM rue_house: just make a alfalfa - potato sandwhich and everything is happy
04:39 PM jym: lol
04:39 PM Tom_L: rue_house, do you do the sulfer?
04:39 PM jym: I'll do that right now
04:40 PM rue_house: not that I know of
04:40 PM Tom_L: fewer rotten slices that way
04:40 PM rue_house: main problem is with bugs
04:41 PM rue_house: and lack of anything growing
04:41 PM rue_house: had a few plants that were just ****** leaves
04:41 PM rue_house: wtf!
04:45 PM jym: is growing potatoes just mostly to see if you can?
04:46 PM Tom_L: no
04:46 PM Tom_L: they're excellent to eat
04:47 PM Tom_L: home grown potatoes are hard to beat
04:47 PM Tom_L: i haven't gardened in several years though
04:48 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/house/house.jpg
04:48 PM Tom_L: hah that was quite a while ago
04:55 PM Tom_L: rue_house, i don't even remember basic syntax
04:55 PM Tom_L: i kinda skipped over that step and went to c & asm
05:21 PM rue_shop3: out 888, 85
05:22 PM rue_shop3: there is no setup or anythin
05:22 PM rue_shop3: thats why I held onto it for so long
05:22 PM rue_shop3: you just write your program , no supurflious syntax overhead, no setup
05:22 PM rue_shop3: its a "just go" language
06:49 PM Tom_L: rue_house
06:49 PM Tom_L: skool me on qbasic
06:50 PM zhanx: man its been along time since i did qbasic
06:50 PM zhanx: like highschool and 286's
06:50 PM Tom_L: same if ever
06:51 PM Tom_L: was gonna try to debug a parallel port
06:51 PM zhanx: if rue remember he can help ya, its just been forever for me to event try to do it
06:52 PM jym: 10 LPRINT CHR$(12) 20 GOTO 10
06:58 PM Tom_L: jym, i think we were gonna try the port level
06:59 PM Tom_L: out port etc
07:01 PM zhanx: Tom_L: how old is the machine?
07:01 PM Tom_L: new
07:01 PM Tom_L: trying to get old software to work on it
07:01 PM Tom_L: need legacy support from pci
07:01 PM Tom_L: bios has nothing about it any more
07:02 PM zhanx: https://www.downtowndougbrown.com/2013/06/parallel-port-tester/ for the test and maybe the file you need for it to work
07:03 PM zhanx: the .dll
07:04 PM Tom_L: dll's don't work in dos
07:04 PM Tom_L: i have a tester
07:05 PM zhanx: oh its dos, fun
07:05 PM Tom_L: http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/temp/parport/parport.mp4
07:05 PM Tom_L: lost the c file i had for it
07:07 PM zhanx: nice, thats old school fun right there
07:08 PM Tom_L: does qbasic allow hex or just decimal?
07:09 PM zhanx: both its converts hex to decimal automatically
07:10 PM Tom_L: do you preface it with 0x ?
07:10 PM zhanx: &H
07:11 PM zhanx: but i dont think it can do more than 2 digit ones. its been awhile
07:16 PM jym: Tom_L: I'd try a VM
07:22 PM Tom_L: ok the test works on lpt1
07:22 PM Tom_L: now to try and find the odd one
07:35 PM rue_shop3: sorry, between doing things and visitors I'm not helping much
07:35 PM rue_shop3: did you get the card working?
07:35 PM Tom_L: sure aren't !
07:35 PM Tom_L: i got lpt1 test working
07:35 PM rue_shop3: you have to use decimal
07:35 PM Tom_L: no i didn't get the rest
07:35 PM rue_shop3: ok, so you have to find the other address
07:35 PM Tom_L: waiting for u
07:36 PM Tom_L: that's the magic part
07:36 PM Tom_L: bak in 3 min
07:39 PM zhanx: and time is up
07:40 PM Tom_L: and i'm back
07:40 PM Tom_L: dog had to pee
07:41 PM Tom_L: rue_shop3, any suggestions how to find it?
07:46 PM zhanx: Thinking about wrapping a connector good and then coat that in epoxy to water proof it. If i never wanted to take it apart again
07:47 PM Tom_L: i like those pinch connectors phone companies use
07:47 PM Tom_L: full of silicon or something
07:48 PM zhanx: i will be burying mine
07:48 PM Tom_L: sprinkler wires are buried
07:48 PM Tom_L: find out what they use
07:48 PM Tom_L: same thing i think
07:48 PM zhanx: in fact i want to leave them in the ground for at least 1 full year. off to google then
07:49 PM Tom_L: i've buried sprinkler connections
07:49 PM Tom_L: seem ok
07:52 PM zhanx: sprinklers are grease or gel filled connectors
07:55 PM Tom_L: i thought it was silicon gel
08:08 PM Tom_L: jym, someone else swears by that parport card you linked
08:09 PM ASRock_pc: http://www.storageforum.net/forum/showthread.php/9564-Remapping-parallel-port-addresses
08:09 PM ASRock_pc: https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/Parallel/1-Port-PCI-Parallel-Adapter-Card-with-Re-mappable-Address~PCI1PM
08:09 PM Tom_L: links to the 2nd link
08:18 PM Tom_L: not exactly the same but same company
08:18 PM jym: My ExpressCard/34 serial card is recognized w/o any drivers in dos andosx
08:19 PM Tom_L: jym, looking.. which of those 2 do you think is the better choice?
08:19 PM jym: I STILL say try a VM, quit being a wuss and just DO IT!
08:19 PM Tom_L: dunno what the chipset differences are
08:19 PM Tom_L: no not yet
08:19 PM jym: fuck, I give up.
08:20 PM jym: You could have that VM on many machines
08:20 PM Tom_L: you said persue the card
08:20 PM jym: No, I didn't. VM's are SO much better.
08:20 PM jym: ADN you can share file between the host and guest
08:21 PM Tom_L: i have no knowledge of vmware so that in itself is a learning curve
08:21 PM jym: Not vmware, vbox
08:21 PM jym: It's really easy
08:21 PM Tom_L: everything is once you've done it
08:22 PM jym: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To-Install-DOS-622-Under-VirtualBox/
08:22 PM jym: http://www.instructables.com/id/How-To-Install-DOS-622-Under-VirtualBox/?ALLSTEPS
08:32 PM rue_shop3: Tom_itx, sorry again, did you find the port?
08:32 PM rue_shop3: you tried the numbers I gave you?
08:32 PM Tom_L: nothing
08:33 PM rue_shop3: 888
08:33 PM rue_shop3: 632
08:33 PM rue_shop3: 57344
08:33 PM rue_shop3: on any of them?
08:33 PM Tom_L: iirc i calculated that too and didn't work
08:33 PM Tom_L: 888 is lpt1 right?
08:33 PM Tom_L: it worked
08:33 PM Tom_L: 632 is lpt2
08:34 PM Tom_L: 0x278
08:34 PM rue_shop3: none of the numbers worked for the card tho?
08:34 PM rue_shop3: nevermind what the official lpt numbers are
08:34 PM rue_shop3: did any of those addresses work on the card?
08:34 PM Tom_L: 57344 didn't work either
08:34 PM rue_shop3: k
08:34 PM rue_shop3: defaults to disabled
08:34 PM Tom_L: i'm looking at those cards i just posted
08:34 PM Tom_L: one had jumpers on it
08:35 PM rue_shop3: you need a non-pnp card
08:35 PM rue_shop3: and by the time pci came along, they were all pnp
08:35 PM rue_shop3: you need to find a dos pnp manager
08:35 PM Tom_L: have a look at that last one and tell me what you think
08:35 PM Tom_itx: https://www.startech.com/Cards-Adapters/Parallel/1-Port-PCI-Parallel-Adapter-Card-with-Re-mappable-Address~PCI1PM
08:36 PM Tom_L: i wish i could read the print on it
08:36 PM rue_shop3: the virtual machine?
08:36 PM Tom_L: no that's jym's idea
08:36 PM Tom_L: ^^ that one
08:36 PM rue_shop3: looks like it should work
08:37 PM Tom_L: can you read the legend on the top?
08:37 PM rue_shop3: you might be able to find a program to set up the pnp in dos tho
08:37 PM Tom_L: i think i may try that card
08:37 PM rue_shop3: 378 278 and 3bc
08:37 PM Tom_L: seems hardware jumpable
08:37 PM rue_shop3: yup
08:37 PM rue_shop3: you might be able to find a dos program to configure the pnp card
08:38 PM Tom_L: haven't yet
08:38 PM rue_shop3: I see lots of documents about pnp sound cards, but they aren't really pnp
08:39 PM rue_shop3: if you knew what .sys files came with the pnp card, you could prolly load them in config.sys
08:39 PM rue_shop3: my new cnc machine works great
08:39 PM Tom_L: glad to hear that
08:52 PM jym: Tom_L: Seriously? I gave you detailed instructions and you STILL won't try a VM?!
08:58 PM zhanx: ok making pretzel dough
08:58 PM zhanx: ot that craving
09:05 PM rue_shop3: jym, it took him 4weeks to get the current arrangement working
09:05 PM Tom_L: rue_shop3, i wonder if a dos shell in windows would work for mapping it
09:07 PM rue_shop3: by then its already mapped
09:08 PM rue_shop3: a pnp os queries each device for its setting combinations, finds a non-conflicting set, and activates each card
09:19 PM zhanx: want there a settings in windows 95 so you could map the pnp to what you wanted
09:19 PM zhanx: was
09:21 PM Tom_L: ppl are still discussing cp\m on the interweb..
09:21 PM Tom_L: man
09:31 PM jym: rue_shop3: and it could take him 30 minutes to have a working solution.
09:32 PM Tom_L: or longer
09:32 PM Tom_L: what's that box run under?
09:38 PM rue_shop3: Tom_L, you might be able to use a windows95 thing on dos 6.22
09:38 PM Tom_L: huh?
09:38 PM Tom_L: what are you talking about
09:38 PM rue_shop3: there may be a program for windows 95 to deal with pnp
09:38 PM rue_shop3: it might work under dos
09:39 PM Tom_L: mmm
09:39 PM Tom_L: i have it
09:39 PM Tom_L: i think
09:39 PM Tom_L: not loaded...
09:39 PM rue_shop3: ok
09:39 PM Tom_L: i know i have 98se
09:39 PM Tom_L: and likely have 95
09:39 PM Tom_L: and 98
09:39 PM rue_shop3: 98 would be too old
09:39 PM Tom_L: new
09:39 PM rue_shop3: lots of the w95 stuff works on dos 6.22
09:40 PM Tom_L: do you know what it was?
09:40 PM Tom_L: i'm gonna try that card
09:40 PM Tom_L: if it doesn't work, i've got a spare card
09:40 PM Tom_L: god knows i got spare cards....
09:43 PM Tom_L: rue_shop3, what exactly do they mean when they refer to x86?
10:04 PM Tom_L: can i install the dos from a cd?
10:08 PM zhanx: x86 is 32 bit
10:08 PM zhanx: aka not 64 bit
10:09 PM zhanx: and if you can find an iso of dos sure, it came on floppies before
10:09 PM Tom_L: i have a cd
10:10 PM Tom_L: where do you install it from?
10:11 PM zhanx: the cd need to be boot able to install it and it should ask you etc.
10:11 PM zhanx: Tom_L: dos was a long long time ago man
10:11 PM Tom_L: for this silly virtual box...
10:11 PM Tom_L: i know how to install dos :D
10:12 PM zhanx: oh
10:12 PM zhanx: mount it as media in it
10:12 PM Tom_L: now, i wouldn't expect you to know how to install cpm
10:12 PM zhanx: the cd and its like standard
10:14 PM zhanx: yea cp/m might get me now
10:17 PM zhanx: waiting on the oven so i can toss my pretzels in
10:19 PM Tom_L: jym, been more than 30 min
10:21 PM rue_shop3: I have official floppies
10:21 PM Tom_L: so do i
10:21 PM rue_shop3: but I usually copy a dir and then make it bootable with sys
10:22 PM Tom_L: i don't follow
10:22 PM rue_shop3: no idea for a virtual machine
10:22 PM Tom_L: i wasn't really interested in the option
10:23 PM Tom_L: but my card isn't here yet
10:23 PM Tom_L: so i'm sitting
10:23 PM rue_shop3: must eb a way to set up the pnp card from dos
10:23 PM zhanx: Tom_L: sys is a linux command
10:23 PM rue_shop3: ?
10:23 PM rue_shop3: sys is the command to make a disk bootable under dos
10:24 PM zhanx: well i guess i forgot that too :D
10:24 PM rue_shop3: and edit is just a wrapper for qbasic
10:24 PM zhanx: i never use dos anymore
10:24 PM rue_shop3: well, its still left on one machie here
10:24 PM rue_shop3: and the mowerbot
10:25 PM rue_shop3: anything I need a non-multitasking system for
10:26 PM Tom_L: apparently it doesn't see it as a bootable iso
10:26 PM Tom_L: but it is
10:27 PM Tom_L: i've also got a bootable cd
10:27 PM rue_shop3: want a dos bootable iso?
10:27 PM Tom_L: i have one
10:27 PM rue_shop3: ok
10:27 PM Tom_L: but if you have one i'd try it
10:27 PM rue_shop3: 1 min
10:27 PM Tom_L: since this doesn't seem to be working
10:29 PM rue_shop3: http://ruemohr.org/%7Eircjunk/not_public_dont_open/dosutils.bin
10:31 PM Tom_L: 6.22 ?
10:33 PM Tom_L: meh, still not working
10:33 PM Tom_L: spent far too long on this 30 min project
10:34 PM rue_shop3: how do you know its 6.22 if its still not working?
10:34 PM rue_shop3: vm is being stupid then
10:34 PM Tom_L: i was asking you if the bin was
10:35 PM rue_shop3: yea
10:35 PM rue_shop3: everything you need if it booted to set dos up on a hard drive
10:35 PM Tom_L: k
10:35 PM Tom_L: i've got everything if not
10:36 PM rue_shop3: I thought it might be handy if it was just the vm being stupid about the image you have
10:43 PM zhanx: well pretzel was good and worth it
10:44 PM Tom_L: how do i find the VM drive letter for the virtual hdd?
10:54 PM Tom_L: ok i got nowhere with that
11:10 PM rue_shop3: my disk, "drives"
11:10 PM rue_shop3: lists the available drives
11:11 PM rue_shop3: probably C
11:29 PM jym: I followed tose instructions and used their img files and have a dos vm
11:29 PM jym: 3.5MB zipped just ell me where to upload it to
11:30 PM jym: 3.6MB
11:39 PM Tom_L: how do you determine where the virtual hdd is and how to sys it or whatever
11:39 PM Tom_L: and map a drive to another physical hdd to use