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[19:57:18] <Tom_itx> damn surface
[19:57:27] <Tom_itx> makes installing software a pain
[19:58:07] <Tom_itx> had to map a DVD drive from my desktop to it and install over the network
[19:58:27] <Tom_itx> usb DVD kept failing
[19:58:52] <rue_house> hah you bought microsoft instead of android
[19:59:00] <Tom_itx> 33
[19:59:02] <Tom_itx> 3
[19:59:31] <Tom_itx> I don't use em
[19:59:35] <rue_house> :)
[20:00:01] <Tom_itx> but so far at least it's installing
[20:00:14] <Tom_itx> slow
[20:00:21] <Tom_itx> due to wifi
[20:01:43] * Jymmm gives Tom_itx a faster hamster
[20:02:33] <rue_house> if you set its tail on fire AND hang a carrot infront of it, it goes even faster
[20:02:39] <Tom_itx> i could have docked it and used cat5 but i'm too lazy
[20:03:32] <Tom_itx> never mapped a DVD before
[20:08:39] <Jymmm> did you use protection?
[20:09:02] <Tom_itx> hah that went flawless
[20:11:11] * Tom_itx gives Jymmm a canoe
[20:13:20] * Jymmm hands the canoe back, it's not GITD
[20:14:31] <Tom_itx> Glow in the Dark
[20:14:37] <Tom_itx> pfft
[22:25:51] <zhanx> i can make one!
[22:26:12] <zhanx> i got the patterns and 60% of the stuff, just need the wood now
[22:27:47] <rue_house> but
[22:27:49] <rue_house> robot arm...
[22:27:53] <zhanx> i know
[22:28:02] <zhanx> arm more important
[22:28:21] <zhanx> i need it to hold things while i work
[22:30:48] <rue_house> I'm trying out fleurys i2c library for avrs, it looks pretty awesome
[22:30:55] <rue_house> its bitbanged, so works on any avr
[22:31:13] <rue_house> tieing a tiny13 to a 8574 now
[22:31:47] <zhanx> since the "front" of a robot is notional, why do people make robots with them
[23:33:03] <Jymmm> rue_house:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-5pcs-lot-FM24CL16BG-F-RAM-memory-new-original/32686173081.html
[23:33:17] <Jymmm> datasheet
http://www.cypress.com/file/136491/download
[23:40:26] <rue_house> I think I might hack the teamaker, instead of flashing the time, it'll flash HELP
[23:41:12] <rue_house> fram actually got produced?
[23:41:28] <rue_house> is that a 16kbit fram?
[23:41:29] <Jymmm> DO IT
[23:41:37] <Jymmm> i2c dram yes
[23:41:38] <rue_house> aka wave a magnet over it, and its cooked?
[23:41:46] <Jymmm> really?
[23:41:52] <rue_house> F is for ferrous
[23:41:56] <rue_house> aka, magnetic
[23:42:02] <rue_house> its nonvolatile, and fast
[23:42:12] <rue_house> unless, magnetic field
[23:42:47] <Jymmm> hmmm
[23:43:08] <rue_house> ferroelectric
[23:43:14] <rue_house> 16kb
[23:43:47] <Jymmm> so store your rare earth magnets you've yanked out of hdd's on top of it?
[23:44:34] <rue_house> I have lots of 24xx16, but, interesting
[23:44:44] <rue_house> they were talking about taking over the world with fram
[23:44:58] <rue_house> instant computer bootups
[23:45:10] <rue_house> via no-draw sleep
[23:45:28] <rue_house> but I wasn't aware it got out of the lab
[23:45:35] <rue_house> up there with bubble memory
[23:45:59] <Jymmm> Heh, someoen actually knows about bubble memory
[23:46:15] <Jymmm> of it's existance that is
[23:46:26] <rue_house> :)
[23:48:18] <rue_house> its intersting the datasheet dosn't mention ambient magnetic fields
[23:50:57] <rue_house> they also dont piont out thats its got infinite rewrite cycles
[23:51:08] <rue_house> unlike the ~100k of an eeprom
[23:51:46] <Jymmm> they mention liek 100 TRILLION
[23:52:08] <rue_house> oh they do say unlimited write endurance
[23:52:10] <Jymmm> High-endurance 100 trillion (1014) read/writes
[23:52:28] <rue_house> In
[23:52:28] <rue_house> addition, the product offers unlimited write
[23:52:28] <rue_house> endurance, orders of magnitude more endurance than
[23:52:28] <rue_house> EEPROM.
[23:53:20] <rue_house> its too small to be of use to me tho
[23:53:59] <Jymmm> 256Kb
http://www.digikey.com/en/product-highlight/c/cypress/fm24v02a-256-kbit-serial-i2c-f-ram
[23:54:14] <rue_house> closer
[23:55:13] <rue_house> the fleury i2c library works
[23:55:35] <rue_house> I got a tiny13 doing a light chase on a pcd8574
[23:55:40] <rue_house> I got a tiny13 doing a light chase on a pcf8574
[23:58:01] <Jymmm> what are you suing to drive the ledS?
[23:58:05] <Jymmm> using*
[23:58:28] <rue_house> wtf, the tiny13 is rated to 20Mhz!?
[23:58:38] <rue_house> I'm using the 8574
[23:58:46] <rue_house> old school, they drive to ground
[23:58:53] <rue_house> using 1k resistors, 5mA
[23:59:24] <Jymmm> oh, I need something that can drive in the half watt range
[23:59:42] <rue_house> I suggest ULN2803
[23:59:59] <Jymmm> Can it pwm?