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[00:06:55] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: what are you, 8yo?! lol
[00:12:09] <rue_shop3> I bit older, prolly not by much
[00:12:23] <rue_shop3> I try not to giggle when put in charge
[00:13:13] <rue_shop3> oh I forgot, in my program I can edit gcode as the programs running
[00:13:45] <zhanx> nice
[00:13:55] <zhanx> i want that
[00:14:01] <zhanx> please
[00:14:14] <rue_shop3> I call it TapeRunner
[00:14:26] <rue_shop3> you dont have a machine tho do you?
[00:14:37] <zhanx> i am making one
[00:14:41] <rue_shop3> k
[00:14:42] <zhanx> a 3cm sq
[00:14:42] <rue_shop3> grbl?
[00:14:45] <zhanx> yes
[00:14:51] <rue_shop3> hah 3cmx3cm!
[00:14:52] <rue_shop3> ?
[00:15:02] <zhanx> 3cmx3cmx3cm yes
[00:15:08] <rue_shop3> but but
[00:15:10] <rue_shop3> ok
[00:15:20] <rue_shop3> its python, has to be 2.7
[00:15:29] <zhanx> yes it makes parts to make a bigger one
[00:15:32] <zhanx> k
[00:15:34] <rue_shop3> you need pyserial, and you might have to edit one of the libraries in it to make it work
[00:15:40] <rue_shop3> ok, ok, cool
[00:16:33] <zhanx> also the forge thingy i want to make
[00:16:56] * zhanx thinks rue cringed at that
[00:17:25] <rue_shop3> no, its all good
[00:17:36] <rue_shop3> valid approach
[00:18:20] <zhanx> free approach
[00:22:24] <rue_shop3> https://github.com/ruenahcmohr/TapeRunner
[00:22:26] <rue_shop3> tada
[00:23:19] <rue_shop3> you will prolly need help with it, ask, cause I'd like to try to fix it up for the world in general
[00:23:27] <rue_shop3> its version 0.0.000004
[00:25:45] <zhanx> k
[00:27:15] <rue_shop3> I plan to post most of my 'would improve the world if anyone would ever look at it' software on github
[00:29:55] <zhanx> i can help with that
[00:29:59] <zhanx> i can steal it
[00:30:29] <rue_shop3> :)
[00:30:58] <rue_shop3> I could make you a contributor and abandon the project when you make changes I disagree with
[00:32:06] <rue_shop3> wow, the house rad system is at like 90% duty trying to keep the house at 20c
[00:32:21] <rue_shop3> and its only -1.5c
[00:32:23] <rue_shop3> out
[00:32:53] * Jymmm lol @ rue_shop3
[00:33:06] <rue_shop3> it needs more radiator in the house
[00:33:17] <rue_shop3> I got stuff, but didn't get it in this year
[00:33:34] <Jymmm> no at the "I disagree with" statement =)
[00:34:01] <rue_shop3> :)
[00:34:19] <Jymmm> You didn't get the duct "Y" to add another rad?
[00:34:39] <rue_shop3> there is a rad under the gas furnace for the boiler
[00:34:54] <Jymmm> in thehouse
[00:34:55] <rue_shop3> its a 3.8L caravan radiator, its not big enough
[00:35:09] <rue_shop3> I need to break it up into several rads in the different ducts
[00:35:24] <rue_shop3> there is a 3 way split under the furnace
[00:35:34] <zhanx> zone control
[00:35:34] <Jymmm> to distribute heat more evenly, orbecause one is too big/restrictive?
[00:35:45] <Jymmm> ah
[00:35:50] <rue_shop3> I was going to put heater cores at each vent
[00:35:55] <rue_shop3> for zone control
[00:36:08] <rue_shop3> I cant stack rads, too much air drag
[00:36:10] <Jymmm> nice, heater cores?
[00:36:15] <rue_shop3> yea, from cars
[00:36:22] <rue_shop3> I got a bunch
[00:36:38] <rue_shop3> not enough, but a bunch
[00:36:40] <Jymmm> Yeah, you found some nice sized/shaped ones?
[00:36:42] <zhanx> rue is journeyman electric. i am that HVAC
[00:36:51] <rue_shop3> hmmmmmm
[00:37:38] <Jymmm> It's hard to walk into the radiator store as say I need a radiator that will fit a 8" duct
[00:37:51] <zhanx> no its not
[00:38:00] <rue_shop3> boiler is about 3.5c rise, house is 12c drop, energy is going up (difference in flow)
[00:38:11] <Jymmm> zhanx: Ok, which car is one from?
[00:38:20] <zhanx> its not a radiator store
[00:38:21] <rue_shop3> it is if you dont have a radiator store
[00:38:34] <rue_shop3> wreckers
[00:38:46] <Jymmm> oh, your pulling used ones?!
[00:38:53] <zhanx> its a hey i am zoning a building need x size zone control etc
[00:38:59] <rue_shop3> I'm not paying for new rads
[00:39:05] <zhanx> heat pumps
[00:39:24] <Jymmm> in the house I might, dont want to breath antifreeze
[00:39:30] <zhanx> lol
[00:39:38] <zhanx> i love jymmm
[00:39:58] <zhanx> thats like saying you dont want to breath freon
[00:40:51] <Jymmm> If freon can get from the duct to my nose before it evaps, sure, why not.
[00:41:15] <zhanx> seriously Jymmm i am a journeyman hvac
[00:41:27] <Jymmm> and?
[00:41:28] <zhanx> that is like a myth
[00:41:46] <zhanx> i took epa testing and schooling
[00:41:54] <zhanx> 4000 plus hours learning?
[00:42:04] <Jymmm> If you put a heater core from a car pulled ath the junkyard, there IS going to be antifreeze spilled on it
[00:42:34] <Jymmm> toss said core into a duct is gonna blow some of that into the room(s)
[00:42:46] <rue_shop3> hmm, it had the house rad off for all of 6 mins
[00:42:48] <zhanx> look my wall has paint on it, should i lick it to test for lead?
[00:42:59] <Jymmm> YES
[00:43:11] <Jymmm> LICK IT is always the proper action
[00:43:19] <zhanx> Jymmm: if you dont clean a used part i cant help you
[00:43:30] <zhanx> rue?
[00:44:54] <rue_shop3> what?
[00:45:00] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: blockage? pump no good? You forgot to turn on the circ pump?
[00:45:13] <rue_shop3> house was up to temp for all of 6 mins
[00:45:20] <rue_shop3> then it kicked the heat back in again
[00:45:52] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: What is the issue you think?
[00:46:32] <rue_shop3> I'm gonna guess, that at 2c, the house heat loss is everything that radiator can put out with the 55c water its got going into it
[00:46:53] <Jymmm> poor insulation?
[00:46:54] <rue_shop3> which should be in excess of 72c, but I think cause the water is moving it dosn't read right
[00:47:00] <rue_shop3> yea, the house is horrid
[00:47:03] <Jymmm> ah
[00:47:06] <rue_shop3> thats why I made the boiler
[00:47:12] <rue_shop3> lots of cheap heat
[00:47:23] <rue_shop3> so I can afford to make a new house
[00:47:36] <Jymmm> how big a lot you on?
[00:47:47] <rue_shop3> 1/2 acre
[00:47:52] <Jymmm> k
[00:48:19] <Jymmm> you go out an get wood?
[00:48:22] <Jymmm> and*
[00:48:41] <rue_shop3> I forgot to try to drop geothermal pipes in the trenches when they did the septic system lines, but they said it would be a BAD idea cause it'd freeze the lines
[00:48:51] <rue_shop3> I go to the landfill for wood
[00:49:10] <rue_shop3> $10 in gas driving for ~270kg of wood
[00:49:20] <Jymmm> the leech lines owuld freeze too, wouldn't they?
[00:49:22] <rue_shop3> I think
[00:49:40] <rue_shop3> dunno, they said I didn't miss anything trying
[00:50:06] <Jymmm> I thought 6ft down it was 54F all year long
[00:51:01] <rue_shop3> not if your temp probe is against a geothermal line
[00:51:24] <Jymmm> huh?
[00:51:49] <rue_shop3> apparently those lines get COLD
[00:51:56] <Jymmm> If you dropped pipes in the gorund 6ft down, why would they freeze?
[00:52:22] <rue_shop3> the septic lines would freeze
[00:52:33] <rue_shop3> its a pumped (uphill, sigh..) septic system
[00:52:47] <rue_shop3> most of the trench is really deep
[00:53:06] <Jymmm> oh, pumpeed... ew
[00:53:57] <Jymmm> do I want to ask why?
[00:54:15] <rue_shop3> lot is sloped, house is at bottm
[00:54:38] <Jymmm> it was that way when you bought it?
[00:55:40] <rue_shop3> the old septic field is UNDER the house
[00:55:44] <rue_shop3> so is the old tank
[00:55:54] <Jymmm> O_o
[00:56:23] <Jymmm> Um, OUCH and WTF?!
[00:56:50] <rue_shop3> you should see the WTF!? list for this place
[00:57:41] <Jymmm> You poor bastard, I feel for you, really.
[00:58:21] <rue_shop3> I'm about 10k$ away from finishing the mortguage, then I plan to play for a year, and go back into $200k debt building a new house
[00:58:33] <Jymmm> haha
[00:59:20] <rue_shop3> I will have money for a year :/
[01:00:01] <rue_shop3> for the last 11 years I been under a evil spending freeze
[01:01:02] <Jymmm> Leave yourself some RV parking with dump/water as well as a "rental" house
[01:01:56] <Jymmm> Open up a "TIny House" trialer park =)
[01:02:53] <Jymmm> Under 10x12ft no permits needed in most places
[01:03:02] <Jymmm> or some such thing
[01:03:16] <Jymmm> they are all out houses /storage then
[01:04:34] <rue_shop3> HDPE dosn't cut worth ***** on a cnc
[01:04:57] <Jymmm> yes it does, if you have the right cutter
[01:05:28] <rue_shop3> zhanx, you killing all the lockouts in the code yet?
[01:06:17] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: DAMN FINE tooling for plastics...
http://www.onsrud.com/xdoc/cnc-plastic-cutting-tools
[01:06:17] <zhanx> no my code is missing something i am getting 1023 all the time. but i checked the circuit etc
[01:06:48] <rue_shop3> did I mention the spending freeze?
[01:06:56] <rue_shop3> I'm using a drywall router bit
[01:07:00] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: is that HDPE gonna make you money?
[01:07:35] <Jymmm> or is this "play" ?
[01:07:51] <rue_shop3> this stuff dont make me any money
[01:08:00] <Jymmm> ah ok
[01:08:18] <rue_shop3> if I had a sales guy, we'd make a mint tho
[01:09:17] <rue_shop3> I need a Steve jobs
[01:09:32] <rue_shop3> maybe one that wont take what I do away form me tho
[01:09:58] <rue_shop3> well, the half of the belt spacer thats made is good
[01:10:05] * rue_shop3 waits for other half
[01:10:14] <rue_shop3> damn, an hour over bedtime
[01:11:29] <zhanx> same here
[01:12:08] <rue_shop3> wow, it ate that whole huge peice of wood
[01:12:23] * rue_shop3 shuts down the boiler
[01:15:11] <rue_shop3> and... the house might be holding temp....
[20:51:53] <zhanx> rue, i used a screen and arduino board and got a semi working oscilloscope , just need shielding now
[21:21:41] <Jymmm> screen?
[21:21:52] <Jymmm> oled?
[21:36:15] <zhanx> just took a pic hold on
[21:40:01] <zhanx> https://sli.mg/a/Y6W020
[21:41:41] <zhanx> Jymmm:
[21:49:08] <Jymmm> Oh, a TFT
[22:22:22] <rue_shop3> zhanx, hmm, want a copy of the one I wrote for a tft and a m328?
[22:22:26] <rue_shop3> I used lines
[22:22:39] <rue_shop3> might give ideas
[22:22:44] <zhanx> ok
[22:23:01] <zhanx> this is a temp thing but if it works good i might just keep it
[22:23:18] <rue_shop3> I'm gonna use a $42usd (digikey) sensor on my cnc spindle regulator
[22:23:25] <rue_shop3> mine isn't finished
[22:23:50] <zhanx> mine works for what i need it for and that is good
[22:23:58] <rue_shop3> yep
[22:24:09] <zhanx> and i made it
[22:24:14] <rue_shop3> :)
[22:24:15] <zhanx> like i said i am proud
[22:24:23] <zhanx> i did learn a bit also
[22:24:28] <rue_shop3> I think its a dot version of mine :)
[22:24:44] <zhanx> little zhanx is growing up and making his own tools now
[22:25:02] <rue_shop3> 8-/ maybe its ... arduino...
[22:25:40] <zhanx> they are cheaper than making a board now
[22:25:44] <zhanx> 1.81 for this
[22:25:48] <zhanx> just a sec
[22:25:55] <rue_shop3> yea, but usually I write in C
[22:26:04] <rue_shop3> I think I did it in actual arduino
[22:26:40] <rue_shop3> 8-| cant find the code
[22:26:45] <zhanx> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Arm-cortex-m3-stm32f103c8t6-stm32-core-board-development-board/1539984258.html
[22:26:56] <rue_shop3> I know, i got 7
[22:27:07] <zhanx> lol
[22:27:15] <rue_shop3> _have_, 7, 3 in mail
[22:27:18] <zhanx> cheaper and easier than making them now
[22:27:21] <rue_shop3> yea
[22:27:39] <zhanx> that is all c, i need it to be for the code
[22:28:01] <zhanx> 12 (should be 16) mics all in ADC multi scanner
[22:28:18] <rue_shop3> 8-[ damnit, it looks like I just modded some other code
[22:28:26] <rue_shop3> ok, sorry, I give up
[22:28:40] <zhanx> tis ok, this is straigh off the datasheet mainly
[22:29:01] <zhanx> which was wrong
[22:29:06] <zhanx> but it happens
[22:29:06] <rue_shop3> can be
[22:29:26] <rue_shop3> I"m going to stay on the cnc projet, I cant find the scope project
[22:29:29] <rue_shop3> I'm sure I wrote it
[22:29:30] <zhanx> they had a 270K resistor on the mics
[22:29:45] <zhanx> they meant 270 ohm
[22:29:59] <rue_shop3> !
[22:30:03] <rue_shop3> what kinda mic?
[22:30:23] <zhanx> 102-1721-ND
[22:30:28] <zhanx> digikey part number
[22:30:37] <rue_shop3> ... capacitive? pizo?
[22:30:43] <rue_shop3> dynamic?
[22:30:50] <zhanx> -44Db omni capac
[22:31:12] <rue_shop3> capacitive should be a high resistance
[22:31:17] <rue_shop3> to like 12V?
[22:31:50] <zhanx> no i got 3.3v ones
[22:31:56] <rue_shop3> ?
[22:31:57] <rue_shop3> k
[22:32:15] <zhanx> i did look up my parts this time right
[22:32:30] <rue_shop3> must have a built in preamp?
[22:32:51] <zhanx> nope
[22:33:19] <rue_shop3> mics dont ahve a voltage
[22:33:24] <zhanx> my circuit is 3.3v to it direct with resistors and caps to sense it
[22:34:29] <zhanx> now i am looking it back up
[22:35:01] <zhanx> its an ELECTRET CONDENSER MICROPHONE
[22:35:02] <rue_shop3> I suspect your not wrong, I'm limiting how sidetracked I get
[22:35:09] <zhanx> sorry
[22:35:13] <rue_shop3> np
[22:37:41] <zhanx> too side track rue more (pun intended) i was ask why i needed to calibrate my mic's i was like umm sure, how do i answer that without being mean
[22:38:35] <rue_shop3> remmeber that some people know lots about other things
[22:38:58] <rue_shop3> ... like flipping hamburger patties
[22:39:21] <Jymmm> Canadian hockey pucks?
[22:39:50] <zhanx> Canadians are mostly always nice
[22:40:02] <Jymmm> eh
[22:40:35] <Jymmm> As in, I know, eh.
[22:40:47] <Jymmm> Not, eh, whatever.
[22:40:51] <zhanx> rue well in the last what 9 years i have been talking to you, this is like a milestone for me
[22:49:14] <rue_shop3> it looks good, I know how much of a fight getting that tft to go was when I was working with supposedly working code
[22:49:26] <rue_shop3> iirc it was just a tft demo and I made the scope
[22:49:40] <rue_shop3> I'll dig for the code later
[22:50:30] <zhanx> rue your fine, i can google and add features later, this is at least showing me the output
[22:50:43] <zhanx> and if i slow it down i get proper wave forms
[22:50:52] <rue_shop3> I'm curious, but enguaged
[22:51:12] <rue_shop3> I'm 3d printing 2 pulse/rev interrupter disks for the speed regulator
[22:52:27] <rue_shop3> it just hit me
[22:52:49] <rue_shop3> I been getting a fair bit of omron stuff CHEAP from china, I wonder if somehing is going on with omron
[22:53:19] <zhanx> product change coming soon
[22:53:33] <rue_shop3> http://www.digikey.ca/product-detail/en/omron-automation-and-safety/EE-SX672/OR530-ND/154232
[22:54:31] <rue_shop3> I'm sure, I got 2 of those super cheap
[22:54:41] <Jymmm> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1pCS-New-EE-SX672-Opto-sensor-Slot-type-5MM-NPN-Photoelectric-switch-Photomicrosensor-Infrared-On-the/32723541962.html
[22:55:04] <Jymmm> $1.98
[22:55:16] <zhanx> think digikey is cheaper still, or was
[22:55:37] <Jymmm> digikey $42/ea
[22:55:42] <Jymmm> +shipping
[22:56:26] <rue_shop3> maybe thats why I only got 2
[22:56:35] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: you do ardunio too, or just AVR?
[22:56:51] <zhanx> avr on arduino boards for rue
[22:56:57] <rue_shop3> I buy the arduino boards, cause their CHEAPER than the raw avrs on them
[22:57:02] <zhanx> i am now mixing it
[22:57:27] <rue_shop3> arduino board: $2 (maybe) mega328: $8
[22:57:39] <zhanx> soon i will be only avr since its way faster
[22:57:50] <rue_shop3> stm32
[22:57:51] <zhanx> unless i am lazy
[22:57:58] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: It can wait till tomorrow or whatever, but I wanted to ask you something on this scope I'm working on
[22:57:58] <rue_shop3> I did a flashing light on one
[22:58:04] <zhanx> stm32 is where i am going also to be honest
[22:58:15] <rue_shop3> you too?
[22:58:25] <zhanx> on my breadboard right now
[22:58:35] <rue_shop3> I have a front end for a Tektronics scope
[22:59:04] <zhanx> see rue, your minions are evolving
[22:59:12] <Jymmm> Well, this is using an OLED and a Nano, real primative...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHDNXXhg3Hg
[22:59:46] <rue_shop3> nono, focusing on cnc machine
[22:59:53] <zhanx> lol
[23:00:08] <zhanx> i am focusing on math on this white board
[23:00:21] <rue_shop3> whats the problem look like?
[23:01:13] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: I just need to know WHERE the pins are defined at? The wiring he describes (but not document) doens't work, oled is blank
http://www.iforce2d.net/arduinoOscilloscope.txt
[23:01:44] <Jymmm> I'm using a 4 pin i2c oled, and the oled works when I test it on my NodeMCU
[23:02:18] <rue_shop3> pin 1 is square
[23:02:46] <Jymmm> N, I mena in the code, so I cna confirm I have it wored correctly
[23:03:23] <zhanx> V= 331 m/s+(0.6m/s/C)*T
[23:03:36] <rue_shop3> solve for?
[23:03:54] <zhanx> V and that is temp only and have to add in humidity
[23:04:12] <Jymmm> He SAYS "Pin 4 and 5 to SDA and SCL respectively", and that doens't work.
[23:04:30] <rue_shop3> 4 is SDA and 5 is SCL
[23:04:43] <rue_shop3> did you remember to make SCL an output?
[23:05:00] <zhanx> and use the i2c scanner to make sure your address is right?
[23:05:00] <Jymmm> I'm using that code I linked to
[23:05:21] <Jymmm> 0x3C verified on the NodeMCU
[23:05:36] <Jymmm> ...using the adafruit demo
[23:05:45] <zhanx> timing issue?
[23:06:02] <rue_shop3> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-5V-1-Channel-OMRON-SSR-High-Level-Solid-State-Relay-Module-250V-2A-For/32622401359.html
[23:06:03] <Jymmm> He's using a UNO, and I'm using a NANO
[23:06:09] <rue_shop3> does this look like dumping to you?
[23:06:12] <rue_shop3> it must be
[23:06:30] <zhanx> don't get that is fake
[23:06:38] <zhanx> i got one and it clicked once
[23:06:49] <zhanx> and then never again worked
[23:07:00] <Jymmm> zhanx: Did you LICK IT?
[23:07:01] <rue_shop3> ? what did you have hooked up to it?
[23:07:18] <zhanx> 5vdc on both sides
[23:07:36] <Jymmm> zhanx: motor?
[23:07:48] <rue_shop3> for $2 I have to try
[23:08:00] <zhanx> no was testing it for a motor that never got hooked up and i got 4 and all dead now
[23:08:30] <rue_shop3> !?
[23:08:43] <rue_shop3> maybe it needs a input resistor?
[23:08:54] <Jymmm> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/anywhere/32531305627.html
[23:08:58] <zhanx> wont work with 3.3v as i tested rue
[23:09:32] <rue_shop3> did you peel it apart to look?
[23:09:43] <zhanx> i ended up with the mechanical relay (rue remember my home automation)
[23:10:01] <zhanx> no i was too busy at the time, i got them somewhere i think
[23:10:03] <rue_shop3> a bit
[23:10:39] <zhanx> i didn't want mechanical but had to settle for them etc
[23:11:18] <zhanx> i actually was able to get my money back for them
[23:14:52] <Jymmm> oled and i2c is kinda cool as you can parallel display concurrently =)
[23:15:03] <Jymmm> displays*
[23:15:21] <zhanx> yep
[23:15:56] <zhanx> Jymmm: for the 16x2's i use i test them all on the same adress
[23:16:04] <Jymmm> Hey, you guys to test connections on 18ga or smaller wire frequently?
[23:16:45] <zhanx> i test my jumper wires once a about never
[23:16:46] <Jymmm> If so, these are great for quick hookups...
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/10x3P-Spring-Connector-LED-Strip-Light-Wire-Connecting-No-Welding-No-Screws-Quick-Connector-cable-clamp/32430872398.html
[23:16:55] <rue_shop3> ok, running the interrupter I made up to 12k...
[23:18:07] <rue_shop3> its good
[23:18:30] <Jymmm> You know, I have a PS file that prints them out
[23:18:39] <Jymmm> well, encoder discs that is
[23:18:50] <Jymmm> PostScript, maybe PDf too
[23:19:20] <zhanx> i use crayons
[23:19:22] <Jymmm> You just print them on a laser with ooverhead film
[23:19:59] <Jymmm> toner laser, not cutting laser
[23:20:41] <rue_shop3> http://www.bushytails.net/~randyg/encoder/encoderwheel.html
[23:20:44] <rue_shop3> and masks?
[23:22:15] <Jymmm> Is that enough resolution being png?
[23:22:24] <Jymmm> Nice btw
[23:25:02] <rue_shop3> iirc that was me, being beaten to the punch, about 16 years ago
[23:25:58] <Jymmm> how so?
[23:26:27] <rue_shop3> its prolly in my irc logs
[23:27:49] <rue_shop3> 2005
[23:28:28] <Jymmm> not worth the effort for trivia
[23:28:42] <rue_shop3> :#robotics-2005-08-19.html
[23:29:01] <rue_shop3> #electronics-2005-08-19.html
[23:29:13] <Jymmm> Err, not trivia, nostalga I meant
[23:41:18] <zhanx> off topic
[23:41:42] <zhanx> but if trump tariff's china for the us, we need to stock up on cheap parts