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[00:05:43] <rue_house> do you remmeber how many times I failed before I got a working boiler?
[00:06:08] * rue_house is still counting
[00:33:43] <Jymmm> I've heard, and I'm tring to learn from the drawbacks you've encountered.
[00:34:39] <Jymmm> I mentioned the exhaust heat and you pointed me to that. Are you going off what YOU know, or what that page said?
[00:34:58] <Jymmm> (and it says very minimal imo)
[00:45:51] <rue_house> based on what I know, that design is good
[00:46:00] <rue_house> its got all the right stuff
[00:46:26] <rue_house> it even agrees with that ancient document you found
[10:12:20] <Jymmm> rue_house: Ok, fair enough. I wasn't sure if that chimney that he used was a factor or not. I suppose that that it's the small qty of fuel being combusted that accounts for the minimal exhaust temperatures.
[11:14:16] <rue_house> no, its the large surface area that the exhaust is subject to for dissipating the heat
[11:16:51] <Jymmm> Well, if I was burning a couple of oak splits the exhaust heat would far exceeed 300F
[11:20:25] <Jymmm> Other than the handful or so of pellets in the "low temp" deisgn you showed me, I see nothign different than this thing where the exhaust is being used to heat/store the butt warmer bench
http://naturalhomes.org/img/rocket-mass-heater-basics2.jpg
[11:23:03] <Jymmm> THATS why I was concerned with exhaust temp. Having some reassurances that exhaust going thru a combustable wall wont exceed 300F is a good thing.
[11:23:22] <Jymmm> even if it be operator error
[11:23:43] <Jymmm> (shit happens, like frozen pipes, etc, ya just never know )
[11:28:15] <rue_house> your not weighing the energy level of that small fire against the surface area of that tank
[11:28:30] <rue_house> *c/w
[11:28:46] <rue_house> how many btu/hr int hat 4" fire do you think
[11:31:14] <rue_house> lets say a burning volume of 64 cubic inches
[11:31:34] <rue_house> 0.00028935185 cords
[11:32:10] <rue_house> at, lets say 18Mbtu/cord
[11:32:23] <Jymmm> ell, lets say I'm using pellets @ 8000 BTU/LB
[11:32:37] <rue_house> 5200btu
[11:33:05] <rue_house> lets say that takes 15 mins to burn
[11:33:09] <rue_house> which is tight
[11:33:33] <rue_house> 20832 btu/hr
[11:33:52] <rue_house> 6105.2565 watts
[11:33:53] <Jymmm> FWIW what I'm working is using 3" exhaust pipe for the whole thing
[11:34:06] <rue_house> so, thats about a 6kw heater going in your garage
[11:34:15] <rue_house> 6kw over the surface of the tank
[11:34:31] <rue_house> lets say its a 36" tank, thats 18" dia
[11:34:42] <Jymmm> 26 x 24
[11:34:44] <rue_house> zippo:/files/programming/python/appSeven# circle -d 18
[11:34:44] <rue_house> Radius is : 9.000000
[11:34:44] <rue_house> Diameter is: 18.000000
[11:34:44] <rue_house> Circumfrence is : 56.548668
[11:34:44] <rue_house> Area is : 254.469009
[11:34:44] <rue_house> Sphere area: 1017.876038
[11:34:46] <rue_house> Sphere volume: 3053.628174
[11:34:50] <Jymmm> err 36" tall, 24" wide
[11:35:01] <rue_house> 2035.73 inch^2
[11:35:10] <rue_house> 18 is more common
[11:35:32] <rue_house> now, whats the *c/w of s flat peice of steel?
[11:36:32] <rue_house> .. thats 2036 square inches
[11:36:38] <rue_house> (I didn't include the top)
[11:37:01] <rue_house> lets say 43*c/w
[11:37:11] <rue_house> per square inch
[11:37:44] <rue_house> if we have 6kw over 2036 square inches
[11:38:06] <rue_house> we have 2.9w/square inch
[11:38:25] <rue_house> average surface temp of 125*c
[11:38:42] <rue_house> it'll be hotter at the top and coller at the bottom
[11:39:39] <rue_house> even then, 125c is ...257F
[11:40:00] <rue_house> pretty close to the 300F he said eh?
[11:41:25] <Jymmm> Right, but if it can only get to 300F, then how are the rocket mass stove with their hot exhaust heatiing up whole benches is what I'm seeing.
[11:41:51] <Jymmm> understand my viewpoint on that?
[11:42:19] <rue_house> no, its burning at 1300-1800c
[11:42:39] <rue_house> which is 6kw in a space of 64inch^3
[11:43:45] <rue_house> which is 6kw over a surface of 2036inch^2
[11:44:03] <rue_house> which is 125c
[11:44:34] <rue_house> if you put 6kw in a 1" cube, it'd be even hotter
[11:45:29] <Jymmm> I'm still drawing, but 3" pipe in a "J" shape... 32" tall, then left for 14", then up again for 10" or so
[11:45:48] <Jymmm> the 10" being the fill port
[11:45:58] <rue_house> the internal insulated pipe just serves for natural updraft
[11:46:03] <Jymmm> the 14" being the burn chamber
[11:46:45] <rue_house> dont make the external part of the pipe really big, when it all catches fire, you'll have a problem
[11:47:05] <rue_house> (partly cause it'll wreck the siphon used to keep the exhaust going into the tank)
[11:47:30] <Jymmm> big as in length or width?
[11:47:41] <rue_house> height
[11:47:57] <rue_house> make sure the J dosn't turn into a U
[11:48:44] <Jymmm> ah, 10" was just in case I decide to use sticks, that they'll have place to rest against
[11:49:08] <Jymmm> ...and not fall out half burning
[11:49:16] <rue_house> its rally important the fire burn hot, cold smoke has a lot of unburnt particles and carbon in it, that if builds up on the inside of the tank will insulate it, and drop the conductance temp
[11:49:36] <rue_house> what is the size of the room you want to heat
[11:49:39] <Jymmm> Tat I understand compeltely.
[11:50:05] <Jymmm> 18x22ft cardboard box (uninsulated garage)
[11:50:05] <rue_house> what is the size of the room you want to heat
[11:50:07] <rue_house> k
[11:50:54] <rue_house> :/ says you need 9kw
[11:50:59] <rue_house> BUILD TWO!
[11:51:14] <Jymmm> haha
[11:51:36] <rue_house> for a moderate temp, to keep it descent...
[11:51:45] <rue_house> 7kw
[11:52:02] <Jymmm> I got 32K/hr uninsulated, and 9K BTU inuslated
[11:52:15] <Jymmm> for a 30F degree rise
[11:53:34] <Jymmm> I'm wondering if I could add a pellet hopper of some sort
[12:05:54] <rue_house> I think int hat stove the fire has to be manually pushed back some
[12:06:11] <rue_house> my shop takes 300w to heat well
[12:06:19] <rue_house> so I have a 120W bulb going right now
[12:06:58] <Jymmm> Where did you find a 120W WOOD-POWERED lightbulb ;)
[12:18:21] <rue_house> I bet the peak output of a match is pretty good
[12:20:34] <rue_house> a candle is about 80w
[12:21:08] <Jymmm> yeah
[12:21:12] <rue_house> so, 100 candles and your set
[12:21:17] <rue_house> +- air quality
[12:21:28] <Jymmm> brn a few candles is a great way to warm up an insulated room
[12:21:45] <Jymmm> insulted being the key word =)
[12:22:06] <rue_house> 100 candles = 8kw, you need betwen 7 and 9
[12:53:33] <Jymmm> rue_house: What I have thus far. Maybe make the intake at 45deg???
http://imgur.com/a/pzrLk
[12:54:16] <rue_house> looks fine
[12:54:23] <rue_house> whats the updraft pressure?
[12:54:29] <rue_house> 2mm h2o?
[12:54:44] <Jymmm> no clue
[12:55:04] <rue_house> 1300c over the height
[12:56:06] <Jymmm> 1300c/30inches ?
[12:56:22] <Jymmm> = 43.3
[14:13:11] <Jymmm> the other thing is that there isn't a lot of fresh air intake given that the tube is filled with pelletes, at least in what I have in mind.
[14:33:56] <rue_house> NO
[14:34:46] <rue_house> pressure difference of 1300c to 'normal' over a height of 30 inches
[14:35:50] <Jymmm> I honestly have no clue on the maths, I just found that doc is all.
[14:36:45] <rue_house> how much pressure is 10mm of water
[14:37:50] <Jymmm> 1ft elevation is .4 PSI
[14:38:13] <rue_house> its alos 10mm water
[14:38:21] <rue_house> (in air)
[14:38:34] <rue_house> if its in oil, its - something
[14:39:07] <rue_house> you have 30inches of 1300c air in cooler air, say 15c
[14:39:08] <Jymmm> I only kow that caus eI have suck water pressure and the source is a million gallon tank across the street
[14:39:50] <rue_house> so there is a density difference, and so there is a pressure
[14:40:16] <rue_house> that thick old document probably says how to calculate it in chapter one
[14:44:51] <Jymmm> I appreciat that you are teaching me to fish here, but for the sake of briety and that I have to drive a hundred miles today to get some quotes to get this fabricated, is what I showed gonna work, or is there still some things I need to factor in/adjust?
[14:45:21] <rue_house> you said your neighbour had a welder you could borrow
[14:45:51] <Tom_L> not working today ehh?
[14:45:58] <Jymmm> Yes, and I dont know how to weld that good, and it's raining non stop
[14:46:02] <rue_house> na, almost nothing ready
[14:46:18] <Tom_L> rue_house i think i got the server working
[14:46:26] <rue_house> k
[14:46:40] <rue_house> want to ask the old one if it'll be a 2 min upgrade to get what you want?
[14:47:09] <Tom_L> i suppose
[14:47:31] <rue_house> tell me when your ready
[14:47:46] <rue_house> we wont do anything, we will just ask
[14:49:09] <Tom_L> i'm grabbin some lunch brb..
[14:49:31] <rue_house> yea, tell me when you have a console up
[14:49:34] <Tom_L> how can you clear the command buffer in a terminal?
[14:50:03] <Tom_L> got putty up
[14:50:19] <rue_house> you dont, why would you do that? you cant surf porn on a terminal...
[14:50:36] <rue_house> ascii art is considered intrinsically sensored
[14:50:39] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:82/~webpage/
[14:50:43] <Tom_L> can you see that?
[14:50:53] <Tom_L> you can't clear the command buffer?
[14:51:02] <rue_house> yea its there
[14:51:08] <rue_house> no, its a hisory
[14:51:08] <Tom_L> that's the new one
[14:51:16] <rue_house> to see the whole contents, type history
[14:51:36] <rue_house> so, ready to ask the old one?
[14:51:36] <Tom_L> the logger is there too but not on
[14:51:38] <Tom_L> yeah
[14:51:50] <rue_house> cd /etc/apt
[14:52:03] <Tom_L> i may get interrupted here though
[14:52:15] <rue_house> say when each command is done
[14:52:21] <Tom_L> k
[14:52:33] <rue_house> cp sources.list sources.list.backup9dec2016
[14:52:55] <Tom_L> one sec, gonna swap puters
[14:53:13] <Tom_L> that way i won't have to keep switching screens
[14:53:41] <rue_house> putty with widnows and dual monitors
[14:54:11] <Tom_L> copied
[14:54:31] <rue_house> vi sources.list
[14:54:46] <rue_house> (hit i to get into insert mode when it opens)
[14:55:02] <rue_house> change all 'lenny' to 'stable'
[14:55:21] <Tom_L> k, pico sources.list
[14:55:23] <rue_house> when finished press and release esc, tyen type :wq
[14:55:35] <rue_house> whatever, change all the lenny to stable
[14:56:02] <Tom_L> what if it's _Lenny_ change to _Stable_ ?
[14:56:13] <rue_house> ?, sure
[14:56:22] <rue_house> http sources?
[14:56:56] <Tom_L> huh?
[14:57:06] <Tom_L> ok i think i got em all
[14:57:13] <rue_house> ok, save and exit
[14:57:41] <Tom_L> k
[14:57:50] <rue_house> apt-get update
[14:58:02] <rue_house> give me the jist of any errors
[14:58:57] <Tom_shop> Err
http://volatile.debian.org stable/volatile/main Packages
[14:58:57] <Tom_shop> 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 128.31.0.62 80]
[14:58:58] <Tom_shop> Err
http://volatile.debian.org stable/volatile/main Sources
[14:59:00] <Tom_shop> 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 128.31.0.62 80]
[14:59:27] <rue_house> how many source lines were there, just two?
[14:59:38] <Tom_shop> W: GPG error:
http://security.debian.org stable/updates Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 9D6D8F6BC857C906 NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553
[14:59:38] <Tom_shop> W: GPG error:
http://ftp.us.debian.org stable Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 8B48AD6246925553 NO_PUBKEY 7638D0442B90D010 NO_PUBKEY CBF8D6FD518E17E1
[14:59:38] <Tom_shop> W: Failed to fetch
http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/stable/volatile/main/binary-i386/Packages 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 128.31.0.62 80]
[14:59:38] <Tom_shop> W: Failed to fetch
http://volatile.debian.org/debian-volatile/dists/stable/volatile/main/source/Sources 301 Moved Permanently [IP: 128.31.0.62 80]
[14:59:51] <rue_house> keys dont matter
[15:00:01] <Tom_shop> E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[15:00:01] <Jymmm> Replacing all occurrences of one string with another in all files in the current directory: sed -i -- 's/foo/bar/g' *
[15:00:04] <rue_house> the servers are all out of date
[15:00:18] <rue_house> Jymmm, na, then you have to go fix everything else
[15:00:40] <Tom_L> i had 6 debs in that file
[15:00:44] <rue_house> k
[15:00:50] <Tom_L> you wanna see em?
[15:00:53] <rue_house> na
[15:01:03] <rue_house> lets move along
[15:01:11] <Tom_L> of each 3 were src
[15:01:36] <rue_house> when it says "do you want to install these?" say no:
[15:01:42] <rue_house> apt-get install python3
[15:02:04] <rue_house> we want to look at what it says, we dont want it to do anything
[15:02:28] <rue_house> it'll have 3 sections, newly install, upgrade, and remove
[15:02:42] <rue_house> if the upgrades list libc6 its definitly a no
[15:03:10] <rue_house> if the ONLY packages it wants to install or upgrade are python related or lib* (not inc libc6) then it'll be ok
[15:03:27] <rue_house> if it cant find python3, the sources are still too badly broken
[15:03:35] <rue_house> but nomatter what, say no
[15:04:32] <rue_house> if it includes the kernel and libc6 the system will need a 'major overhaul'
[15:05:06] <Tom_shop> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[15:05:06] <Tom_shop> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[15:05:06] <Tom_shop> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[15:05:06] <Tom_shop> or been moved out of Incoming.
[15:05:06] <Tom_shop> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[15:05:07] <Tom_shop> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:05:09] <Tom_shop> python3: Depends: dh-python but it is not going to be installed
[15:05:11] <Tom_shop> E: Broken packages
[15:05:48] <rue_house> k, thats from incomplete package sources, OR something that conflicts with dh-python
[15:06:10] <rue_house> we CAN say (and say no when it asks) apt-get install dh-python
[15:06:18] <rue_house> to see whats holding it up
[15:07:13] <Tom_shop> Reading package lists... Done
[15:07:13] <Tom_shop> Building dependency tree
[15:07:13] <Tom_shop> Reading state information... Done
[15:07:13] <Tom_shop> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[15:07:13] <Tom_shop> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[15:07:13] <Tom_shop> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[15:07:15] <Tom_shop> or been moved out of Incoming.
[15:07:17] <Tom_shop> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[15:07:19] <Tom_shop> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:07:21] <Tom_shop> dh-python: Depends: python3:any (>= 3.3.2-2~) but it is not installable
[15:07:23] <Tom_shop> E: Broken packages
[15:07:28] <rue_house> cute
[15:07:36] <rue_house> fishing, try this...
[15:07:46] <rue_house> apt-get install dh-python python3
[15:07:48] <Tom_L> this is gonna be a rue mess... i can feel it in my bones
[15:07:57] <rue_house> we not dont anything yet
[15:08:04] <rue_house> were asking and its being sheepish
[15:08:27] <Tom_shop> itx-server:/etc/apt# apt-get install dh-python python3
[15:08:27] <Tom_shop> Reading package lists... Done
[15:08:27] <Tom_shop> Building dependency tree
[15:08:27] <Tom_shop> Reading state information... Done
[15:08:27] <Tom_shop> Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
[15:08:28] <Tom_shop> requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
[15:08:30] <Tom_shop> distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
[15:08:32] <Tom_shop> or been moved out of Incoming.
[15:08:34] <Tom_shop> The following information may help to resolve the situation:
[15:08:36] <Tom_shop> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[15:08:38] <Tom_shop> dh-python: Depends: python3:any (>= 3.3.2-2~) but it is not installable
[15:08:40] <Tom_shop> E: Broken packages
[15:09:06] <Tom_L> i don't think you can install python3 on that debian version
[15:09:21] <rue_house> iiinteresting, I suspect that apt is too old and is not understanding the package parameters properly,
[15:09:28] <rue_house> lets put the system back to how it was
[15:09:38] <Tom_L> it's nearly as old as you
[15:09:45] <rue_house> mv sources.list sources.list.broken
[15:09:58] <rue_house> cp sources.list.backup9dec2016 sources.list
[15:10:01] <rue_house> apt-get update
[15:10:30] <rue_house> now, if the servers dont exist anymore, the update will bork a little, which dosn't matter cause they wouldn't have worked anyhow
[15:11:32] <Tom_L> back like it was..
[15:11:39] <rue_house> if it were my machine, I'd work on forcing it, but that could draw out into a 12 hours fight, involving doing horrid things like copying binaries from other working systems :)
[15:12:03] <Tom_L> yeah you like to do things the uber hard way
[15:12:19] <Tom_L> oh...
[15:12:26] <rue_house> sometimes there are advantages we value more
[15:12:32] <Tom_L> how can i copy this iso to a cd and make it bootable?
[15:12:51] <Tom_L> i installed the other one from a thumbdrive
[15:12:57] <rue_house> use wodim, ask google cause I have to every time
[15:13:21] <Tom_L> or
[15:13:33] <Tom_L> can i install it on one system then move the hdd?
[15:13:39] <Tom_L> i've done that before iirc
[15:13:43] <rue_house> wodim -v debian-7.5.0-i386-netinst.iso dev=/dev/sr0
[15:13:46] <rue_house> if thats any clue
[15:17:00] <Tom_L> wodim command not found :D
[15:17:34] <rue_house> oh, on the old machine
[15:17:36] <rue_house> its called
[15:17:54] <rue_house> cdrecord
[15:17:54] <Tom_L> no this is on debian 8
[15:18:06] <rue_house> k, wodim is the new program
[15:18:18] <rue_house> mmm heavy snow now
[15:18:19] <Tom_L> must not be installed
[15:18:33] <Tom_L> keep it up there mkay?
[15:19:13] * rue_house trucks snow to tom
[15:20:01] <Tom_L> i thought rucas could do it but that's jus for thumbdrives i think
[15:20:35] <Tom_L> i don't wanna waste too many cd's, i'm running out
[15:21:04] <Tom_L> i wonder if that windows thing would work on a linux iso
[15:21:08] <rue_house> nothing like getting a dumb look at the store when you ask where the writable cd's are
[15:21:45] <Tom_L> you think i'd be ok installing then moving the hdd?
[15:22:01] <Tom_L> i don't think that pc will boot from usb
[15:22:13] <Tom_L> i may have to go...
[15:22:43] <rue_house> whats the python3 for?
[15:24:23] <rue_house> k, I shouldn't ahve to wait for 300 cycles while the sync is high
[15:28:43] <Tom_L> a bot i was looking at uses it
[15:30:06] <Jymmm> rue_house: Just wait till you ask them where the 3.5" Floppies are =)
[15:30:40] <rue_house> yea I need another way to transfer stuf to my old cnc
[15:31:22] <Jymmm> I have a usb fdd
[15:35:19] <Tom_L> rue_house, i'd like to get a bot going that can store information and retrieve it
[15:38:36] <Jymmm> rue_house: OH... if it's "old" cnc... CF is electrical the same as IDE
[15:40:12] <Jymmm> rue_house:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822998003
[15:41:52] <Jymmm> rue_house: But, no hot swapping iirc.
[15:48:39] <rue_house> its funny, an avr could emulate a floppy
[15:50:28] <Tom_L> pepsi did that on one once
[15:50:53] <Tom_L> wonder if he's still alive
[15:53:10] <rue_house> flback is
[15:53:41] <Tom_L> yeah i know
[20:27:29] <Tom_L> rue_shop3, working on your cnc tonight?
[20:43:19] <rue_shop3> just started it on a job I hope it finishes
[20:43:26] <rue_shop3> I'm NOT using the windows machine this time
[20:43:36] <rue_shop3> running the spooler from linux
[20:44:16] <rue_shop3> why is it that as we get older, its harder to find things exciting to do?
[20:45:01] <Tom_L> the user login was something that happened before the ssh root login thing
[20:45:05] <Tom_L> i got that fixed
[20:45:14] <Tom_L> but i can't login the first user
[20:45:30] <rue_shop3> on a new install, if you want to login over the network as root, you have to change a file, because by default its now disabled
[20:45:41] <Tom_L> i did that
[20:45:49] <Tom_L> the user login was something that happened before the ssh root login thing
[20:45:51] <rue_shop3> you changed the ssh file and restarted ssh
[20:45:52] <rue_shop3> ?
[20:45:56] <Tom_L> yes
[20:45:59] <Tom_L> that's all done
[20:46:05] <rue_shop3> if you need to change a user passwd
[20:46:06] <Tom_L> this is another issue
[20:46:10] <rue_shop3> passwd username
[20:46:16] <rue_shop3> hmm
[20:47:26] <Tom_L> that didn't fix it either
[20:47:36] <Tom_L> as root: passwd user pass
[20:47:44] <Tom_L> then tried to login as user and no go
[20:48:01] <rue_shop3> did you restart sshd?
[20:48:11] <rue_shop3> /etc/init.d/sshd restart
[20:49:08] <Tom_L> sshd isn't installed
[20:49:35] <rue_shop3> you have to have sshd installed to login over a network
[20:49:58] <Tom_L> i ran that command and it said no such file or directory
[20:50:18] <rue_shop3> apt-get install sshd
[20:50:33] <Tom_L> this isn't over the network
[20:50:40] <Tom_L> i'm trying to login the console as user
[20:51:11] <rue_shop3> hmm, log in as root, check the username and password?
[20:51:20] <Tom_L> did that already
[20:51:21] <rue_shop3> cat /etc/users
[20:51:26] <rue_shop3> er,
[20:51:29] <rue_shop3> cat /etc/passwd
[20:51:29] <Tom_L> something got screwed up
[20:51:43] <rue_shop3> and reset the password with passwd username
[20:51:55] <Tom_L> i changed the autologin thing in a file but i changed it back and now the user can't login
[20:52:20] <rue_shop3> must have changed the wrong thing back
[20:52:25] <Tom_L> no
[20:52:31] <Tom_L> i'm sure of that
[20:52:39] <rue_shop3> do you know what file you changed?
[20:53:14] <Tom_L> hang on
[20:53:47] <Tom_L> lightdm.conf
[20:54:15] <rue_shop3> I have no idea what that is
[20:54:44] <Tom_L> well how can i remove the user?
[20:54:48] <rue_shop3> thats gui
[20:54:54] <Tom_L> and just add it again
[20:55:02] <Tom_L> i don't need the user
[20:55:07] <rue_shop3> Description-en: simple display manager
[20:55:07] <rue_shop3> An X display manager that:
[20:55:07] <rue_shop3> * Has a lightweight codebase
[20:55:07] <rue_shop3> * Is standards compliant (PAM, ConsoleKit, etc)
[20:55:07] <rue_shop3> * Has a well defined interface between the server and user interface
[20:55:07] <rue_shop3> * Fully themeable
[20:55:09] <rue_shop3> * Cross-desktop (greeters can be written in any toolkit)
[20:55:39] <rue_shop3> what was your goal?
[20:55:53] <rue_shop3> if you want to scp a file in, you need sshd
[20:56:13] <rue_shop3> if you want to log in as root over the network, you need to modify an sshd setting
[20:56:24] <Tom_L> i just had a user other than root installed and i want to login as that user
[20:56:35] <Tom_L> nothing complicated about that
[20:56:39] <rue_shop3> if its gui related, I dont know the answer
[20:57:03] <Tom_L> forget it then
[20:57:08] <Tom_L> i'll get by
[20:57:31] <Tom_L> do you always login as root?
[20:57:37] <rue_shop3> prttymuch yes
[20:57:46] <rue_shop3> for gui stuff I log in as me
[20:57:58] <rue_shop3> and all the terminal windows I run in the gui are root
[20:58:00] <Tom_L> ^^ but i can't
[20:58:10] <rue_shop3> 9 of them right now
[20:58:18] <rue_shop3> yea, I dont know anything about lightdm
[20:58:28] <rue_shop3> its not installed on the new machine I just set up
[20:58:33] <Tom_L> i did it with ubuntu and it worked just fine
[20:58:40] <Tom_L> not so much with this distro
[20:59:05] <Tom_L> do you know much about linuxmint?
[20:59:05] <rue_shop3> as much as I usually avoid it, try a restart and see what changes
[20:59:08] <rue_shop3> no
[20:59:12] <rue_shop3> I only use debian
[20:59:37] <Tom_L> i may just do a reinstall
[20:59:42] <rue_shop3> no
[20:59:48] <rue_shop3> you dont need to reinstall
[20:59:48] <Tom_L> first time thru was a learning experience
[20:59:56] <Tom_L> if i want it fixed i do
[21:00:01] <rue_shop3> get to a text console and see if you can log in as your user
[21:00:07] <rue_shop3> ctrl-alt-F2
[21:00:14] <rue_shop3> see if it takes the login
[21:00:23] <Tom_L> already logged in as root
[21:00:35] <rue_shop3> alt-f3
[21:00:42] <Tom_L> yes
[21:00:43] <rue_shop3> you have 6 text terminals
[21:00:51] <rue_shop3> your user can login ok?
[21:00:56] <Tom_L> yeah
[21:01:14] <rue_shop3> k, its a problem with the gui thing, does it not show the user or not allow it to login
[21:01:46] <Tom_L> it allows the user to login but it's denied
[21:01:54] <rue_shop3> you can reset lightdm settings
[21:01:56] <Tom_L> doesn't say anything, just doesn't do it
[21:02:04] <Tom_L> how?
[21:02:15] <rue_shop3> oh, it thinks for a min and then snaps back to the login screen?
[21:02:21] <Tom_L> yes
[21:02:36] <rue_shop3> yea, X crashed and it fell back to the login app
[21:02:56] <rue_shop3> so, the trick would be knowing what is crashing X
[21:03:42] <rue_shop3> its in a log file
[21:03:49] <rue_shop3> somewhere in /var/log/
[21:03:58] <Tom_L> how do i get rid of the console screen?
[21:04:00] <rue_shop3> tail logfile
[21:04:09] <rue_shop3> you mean go back to X?
[21:04:22] <Tom_L> i guess
[21:04:38] <rue_shop3> its on one of the consoles, usually either 1 or 7
[21:04:43] <Tom_L> undo ctrl-alt-f2
[21:04:44] <rue_shop3> alt-F1 or alt-F7
[21:04:57] <Tom_L> f7
[21:05:29] <rue_shop3> when you in X, you need to hold the ctrl- to change consoles, when your on a text console, they only need alt-F(N)
[21:05:52] <rue_shop3> so, in X, ctrl-alt-f2 will take you to console 2
[21:06:07] <rue_shop3> and in a text console alt-f3 will take you to console 3
[21:06:20] <Tom_L> good to know
[21:06:53] <Tom_L> you can run something in a console and switch consoles and run something else concurrently?
[21:07:45] <rue_shop3> yes
[21:07:52] <rue_shop3> you have 7 of them, X is using 7
[21:08:05] <rue_shop3> linux is inherintly multitasking
[21:08:15] <rue_shop3> even if X isn't installed, you have 7 consoles
[21:08:16] <Tom_L> i knew that
[21:08:31] <rue_shop3> it was a leadup :)
[21:09:00] <Tom_L> jester never got that install done
[21:09:06] <rue_shop3> nope
[21:09:18] <rue_shop3> I can barely get ahold of him
[21:09:35] <rue_shop3> he visits on sunday afternoon
[21:10:19] <Tom_L> i had an odd thing
[21:10:36] <Tom_L> adding the static ip stuff to the network file didn't work on this
[21:10:54] <Tom_L> i had to go into the gui and add it, then add it to the file before it would work
[21:11:03] <Tom_L> it wouldn't let me use the network otherwise
[21:11:38] <Tom_L> i dunno what's different about this over the old one..
[21:12:19] <Tom_L> it's like the gui doesn't know what's really going on
[21:16:18] <rue_shop3> editing /etc/networking/interfaces wont change anything until a restart of the networking service
[21:16:28] <Tom_L> i know
[21:16:35] <Tom_L> i did that
[21:16:36] <rue_shop3> hmm
[21:16:53] <rue_shop3> did you try a restart to see if it would take without all the gui crap in the way?
[21:17:05] <Tom_L> yeah
[21:17:23] <Tom_L> i did that all from the console
[21:17:42] <Tom_L> terminal.. whatever
[21:17:59] <rue_shop> they put a network manager in the gui that screws things up
[21:18:19] <Tom_L> it does a good job of that
[21:18:34] <rue_shop> I remove a lot of things
[21:18:55] <rue_shop> the video players leave LOTS of large temp files behind, so I cripple them
[21:19:05] <rue_shop> and pulse
[21:19:47] <Tom_L> kat's been absent for a while
[21:19:57] <rue_shop3> speaking of pulse, I need a device to pulse air on the cnc machine
[21:20:09] <rue_shop3> yea, I'm worried but she does her thing
[21:20:21] <Tom_L> how much air?
[21:20:29] <Tom_L> fishtank pump?
[21:21:05] <rue_shop3> no, compressor, but I need a valve
[21:21:17] <rue_shop3> that pulses the bit maybe every 20 seconds?
[21:21:20] <rue_shop3> hmm
[21:21:25] <rue_shop3> tiny13?
[21:21:38] <rue_shop3> dont want to mess with a 555
[21:25:11] <rue_shop3> ya know, I already did a thing
[21:28:17] <rue_shop3> WTF
[21:29:47] <rue_shop3> the cnc machine just stopped right in the middle of the job
[21:30:31] <rue_shop3> bCNC is crap, great
[21:32:46] <rue_shop3> this time I put a spot mark on 0,0 tho
[22:36:20] <Tom_L> linuxcnc ftw!
[22:39:22] <rue_house> parallel ports and stuttering multitasking
[22:39:25] <rue_house> mmmm
[22:55:47] <Tom_L> i should send you this spare set of cards i have
[22:58:10] <rue_house> na, you should keep them as spares
[22:58:13] <rue_house> I'm ok
[22:58:44] <rue_house> I want to make stuff out of things I can get anywhere cheap, so I can make lots of things
