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[00:18:21] <rue_house> geez Tom_L I use like gnome and enlightenment
[07:47:33] <Jymmm> Tom_L: And yes,if I could figure out a way to insulate the barrel without it getting soggy/moldy I would.
[09:20:33] <rue_house> tha mina problem is that soggy insulation against a firebox rusts it out quick
[09:27:16] <Jymmm> Yeah, that too. Plus it leeching off BTU's
[09:27:59] <Jymmm> I think Tom_Lmeant insulating the outter drum, where the camp stove will be inside of.
[09:29:46] <rue_house> its snowing...
[09:31:08] <Jymmm> what elevation are you at?
[09:32:20] <rue_house> about 200 feet
[09:32:44] <Jymmm> rue_house: In case you weren't aware of it's existance... High temp flue tape (600F)
https://www.amazon.com/3M-High-Temperature-Flue-15-Foot/dp/B00004Z4DS/
[09:33:06] <Jymmm> 200ft, that it?! and snow?! I thought you were in BC?
[09:33:16] <rue_house> you know the ratings on high temp silicone, right?
[09:33:21] <rue_house> I am
[09:33:42] <Jymmm> 600F (550F?)
[09:33:46] <rue_house> only 15 feet for $10!
[09:33:52] <rue_house> ouch
[09:34:26] <Jymmm> Eh, it's 3m, kinda expected. BUT.... 3M is AWESOEM at sending out samples =)
[09:35:43] <rue_house> https://www.acklandsgrainger.com/en/product/FIRE-BARRIER-SILICON-SEAL-10-1OZ/_/R-MMM1000NS10.1OZ
[09:35:45] <rue_house> then get that
[09:36:03] <rue_house> I think thats the stuff
[09:36:54] <rue_house> https://www.lowes.com/pd/IMPERIAL-2-7-oz-High-Temp-Sealant/3432322
[09:37:07] <rue_house> ^^ that is used to 'glue' seal to doors
[09:37:30] <rue_house> power went out for a min
[09:38:01] <rue_house> Broadcast message from root@zippo (somewhere) (Mon Dec 5 07:08:56 2016):
[09:38:02] <rue_house>
[09:38:02] <rue_house> Power failure on UPS zippo. Running on batteries.
[09:38:02] <rue_house>
[09:38:02] <rue_house>
[09:38:02] <rue_house> Broadcast message from root@zippo (somewhere) (Mon Dec 5 07:08:57 2016):
[09:38:04] <rue_house>
[09:38:06] <rue_house> Power has returned on UPS zippo...
[09:38:08] <rue_house> ok, technically 1 second
[09:39:16] <Jymmm> Ther eis this for 500F/260C
https://www.amazon.com/Rutland-500-Degree-Silicone-10-3-Ounce-Cartridge/dp/B000DZBLNC/
[09:39:19] <rue_house> wow the boiler computer restarts fast
[09:39:58] <Jymmm> And this for 2000F
https://www.amazon.com/Permatex-80335-Muffler-Tailpipe-Sealer/dp/B000BOAZM8
[09:42:54] <Jymmm> Another 2000F/1090C cement (but I doubt silicone)
https://www.amazon.com/Rutland-Furnace-Cement-Cartridge-1-Cart/dp/B000I1EI4K/
[09:43:07] <Jymmm> does say metal-to-metal though
[09:46:06] <rue_house> hmm comming down pretty heavy, were not supposed to put the trucks on the road if its snowing, less about us and more about the INSANE people who get on the road when there is snow
[10:03:30] <rue_house> hmm
[10:03:39] <rue_house> boss says to wait a bit and see what happens
[10:04:46] <Jymmm> you do the snow plowing?
[10:05:11] <rue_house> not with my van
[10:05:21] <rue_house> didn't make a blade for the lawn tractor this year
[10:05:51] <Jymmm> oh, just the boss saying you can wait to come in or something?
[10:06:11] <Jymmm> or boss == wifey?
[10:06:28] <rue_house> no I'm an electrician
[10:06:37] <rue_house> company van
[10:06:40] <Jymmm> ah
[10:07:04] <rue_house> they keep them off the roads in snow, one accident costs more than a day of company profit
[10:07:42] <Jymmm> Oh geeze
[10:08:31] <rue_house> http://www.ayomaonline.com/programming/quickstart-sim800-sim800l-with-arduino/
[10:08:46] <rue_house> wtf, the dude stuck an arduino in the middle of a serial stream for what reason?
[10:09:47] <Jymmm> cause ppl are clueless when it comes to SIM800 or ESP8266's
[10:10:21] <rue_house> my goal is to make a device to report gps positions to a webpage
[10:10:33] <rue_house> should be pretty easy
[10:10:35] <Jymmm> I'm looking at CHIP actually. To have a full blown distro for $9 aint half bad
[10:10:45] <Jymmm> rue_house: for your vehicle? APRS =)
[10:10:50] <rue_house> yea
[10:11:04] <rue_house> work has a problem knowing where people are
[10:11:19] <Jymmm> http://aprs.fi/#!lat=39.74130&lng=-121.61210
[10:11:21] <rue_house> if there is an emergency somewhere, we want to know who is close
[10:11:30] <Jymmm> do they have radios?
[10:11:33] <rue_house> no
[10:11:47] <rue_house> we all have cell phones, but most of the guys ignore than while working
[10:12:07] <Jymmm> https://www.itead.cc/wiki/SIM808_GSM/GPRS/GPS_Module
[10:12:20] <rue_house> ALSO it helps when trying to put togethor your timesheet if you can look back and see where you were at 2:15 last wednesday
[10:12:27] <Jymmm> https://www.adafruit.com/product/2637
[10:12:40] <rue_house> they are toomuch $$$ and all locked to a particular website
[10:12:56] <rue_house> AND for the most part they aren't gps, they are cell tower location
[10:13:18] <rue_house> yea I have a sim800 board in my hand now
[10:13:31] <rue_house> it cost $4usd
[10:14:51] <Jymmm> Just have it msg a google voice acount and extract the data from the emials
[10:15:18] <rue_house> no
[10:15:31] <Jymmm> yes!
[10:15:58] <rue_house> I'll set up our own message recieving server and have the stations push gps data over the web via the cell units on a 5 or 10 minute basis
[10:16:50] <Jymmm> Why data? sms would be more reliable, no?
[10:17:03] <Jymmm> and I would do 30/60/90 seconds not 5m
[10:17:12] <rue_house> you cant sms to a server on the internet
[10:17:21] <Jymmm> you can via google voice
[10:17:33] <Jymmm> and you can get the sms sent to your email
[10:17:38] <rue_house> no, we have really bad coverage here, I dont want a device killing itself sending tonnes of data
[10:17:56] <rue_house> no, we want to be able to pull up a map with locations
[10:17:57] <Jymmm> Right, so sms would be more liable than data
[10:18:07] <rue_house> meh...
[10:18:13] <Jymmm> Yes, extract the data from the emails to map yourself
[10:18:25] <rue_house> nobody else in the company knows how to do that
[10:18:33] <Jymmm> google might have a API for google voice, I just haven't looked.
[10:18:49] <Jymmm> nobody else but you needs to =)
[10:18:54] <rue_house> how does google voice tie in?
[10:18:54] <Jymmm> job security =)
[10:19:02] <rue_house> hell no I'm already too busy
[10:19:12] <Jymmm> gvoice allows texts to be rx/Tx
[10:19:26] <rue_house> huh
[10:19:26] <Jymmm> it gives you a sms gateway
[10:19:42] <rue_house> ooooh, another gateway that dosn't work cause its blocked by all providers?
[10:20:06] <rue_house> I ran into that trying to get my computer to sms me about power failures
[10:20:35] <Jymmm> Well, you could get a phone that has a serial port to rx the data
[10:20:58] <rue_house> I'd agree I could use another gsm card on a computer that recieves the messages
[10:21:03] <rue_house> id: position
[10:21:24] <rue_house> which could be easier in a number of ways
[10:21:27] <Jymmm> then just toss in a SIM card with 2G capability, which I think only tmobile is
[10:21:40] <rue_house> does mean another $/mo for the other card
[10:21:50] <Jymmm> use prepaid
[10:22:08] <rue_house> I wonder what you get when a SIM800 recieves a sms...
[10:22:24] <rue_house> ATYOUHAVEMAIL
[10:22:28] <rue_house> :)
[10:22:49] <Jymmm> http://arduinodev.com/arduino-library-for-gprshttp-communication-with-sim800/
[10:23:06] <rue_house> yea
[10:23:07] <Jymmm> sIM800 has AT set
[10:23:12] <rue_house> yea...
[10:23:34] <Jymmm> and uses a REAL GPS
[10:23:41] <Jymmm> not tower triangulation
[10:23:47] <rue_house> yea
[10:24:00] <rue_house> wait, is this the whole project I need....
[10:24:09] <Jymmm> then use openmap if you wan tyour own map server
[10:24:37] <rue_house> I wonder how you make a url for a number of gps points on google maps
[10:25:28] <rue_house> gprs is the tower location iirc
[10:25:46] <Jymmm> just look for a gps connector
[10:31:43] <Jymmm> rue_house: Hey, just use some cheap phones off ebay
[10:31:58] <Jymmm> already have the gps built in
[10:32:34] <rue_house> I thin that this module and an arduino combo are cheaper than a phone
[10:33:20] <rue_house> I ordered a real gps, this sim800 module and an arduino (cause, then I'm not out one)
[10:33:51] <rue_house> https://www.arduino.cc/en/Tutorial/GSMExamplesReceiveSMS
[10:34:14] <rue_house> you know, I'd BET that when you get an sms, you get the number its from
[10:35:39] <Jymmm> $30
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BLU-Dash-Jr-W-3-5-Dual-Sim-Factory-Unlocked-Android-GSM-Smart-Phone-D141W-/272358848097
[10:35:56] <rue_house> no this is cheaper
[10:36:07] <Jymmm> with battery?
[10:36:11] <Jymmm> with camera?
[10:36:14] <rue_house> truck
[10:36:19] <rue_house> dont need camera
[10:36:30] <Jymmm> might want to see where they are =)
[10:36:33] <rue_house> no
[10:36:38] <Jymmm> you never know
[10:36:39] <rue_house> its not a big brother project
[10:36:49] <Jymmm> No I mean if stolen/broken into
[10:37:03] <Jymmm> or an accident
[10:37:24] <Jymmm> plus, you can get offline maps for it
[10:38:11] <Jymmm> maybe a walkie talkie app for each truck?
[10:38:16] <rue_house> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/SIM800L-GPRS-GSM-Module-SIM-Board-Quadband-L-shape-Antenna-for-MCU-Arduino/32675097052.html
[10:38:18] <rue_house> $7
[10:38:25] <rue_house> they have cell phones
[10:38:39] <rue_house> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/GY-NEO6MV2-new-GPS-module-with-Flight-Control-Flight-Control-EEPROM-MWC-APM2-5-large-antenna/2042160471.html
[10:38:42] <rue_house> $8
[10:38:53] <rue_house> were at $15 so far
[10:39:02] <rue_house> add $3 for an arduino and prettymuch there
[10:39:19] <rue_house> box plugs into van, everything happy
[10:39:54] <rue_house> "where was I at 3:00 last tuesday?... oh I was at the office..."
[10:40:17] <Jymmm> and how is someone to see this?
[10:40:25] <rue_house> bring up wepage
[10:40:26] <Jymmm> what if they are in the field?
[10:40:27] <rue_house> ""
[10:40:55] <Jymmm> teh smartphone could log the data too and they could pull it up in the truck
[10:40:55] <rue_house> you know, I suppose I could use the gps time to just report between, say 7am and 8pm too
[10:41:05] <rue_house> no, it kills the battery on a smartphone
[10:41:07] <rue_house> we tried that
[10:41:29] <Jymmm> but you said connected to truck battery =)
[10:41:41] <rue_house> and its stepping into big brother, we dont want to know exactly where people are, we want to know where the vans of the journeymen are
[10:42:02] <rue_house> cause a) lots of time people forget to make note and have timesheet problems
[10:42:23] <Jymmm> been there, done that.
[10:42:39] <Jymmm> And when theres dead time in the field, permit time to fill out timecard
[10:42:45] <Jymmm> perfect*
[10:43:03] <Jymmm> or just make a "timecard" app that does it for you.
[10:43:24] <Jymmm> and even break it down to time per job per location
[10:43:50] <Jymmm> lost travel time
[10:44:04] <Jymmm> basically cost analyiset
[10:44:55] <rue_house> b) if there is an emergency in a remote area and we want to know if someone is close
[10:45:08] <rue_house> they JUST called me and said its a snow day, stay home
[10:45:36] <rue_house> I hav a timecard webpage, its horrid to use on a smartphone
[10:45:39] <rue_house> :9
[10:45:42] <rue_house> :(
[10:45:54] <rue_house> k, well
[10:45:56] <rue_house> hmm
[10:46:07] <rue_house> I'm home today
[10:46:32] <rue_house> cant go anywhere, my truck is no better than the work van
[10:46:45] <rue_house> and I sure the hell dont feel like putting on the cahins
[10:47:13] * rue_house sends "HeatAuto" to the home automation service
[10:47:46] <Jymmm> Just for ideas
https://www.tsheets.com/crew-time-card-app
[10:48:21] <Jymmm> https://www.tsheets.com/gps-time-tracker
[10:48:37] <rue_house> looks like a bad fit, we have like 15 job numbers a day sometimes we need to put time against
[10:49:17] <Jymmm> and job# == job location
[10:50:04] <rue_house> it looks like its inside out, I need to say how long I was at which jobs, not who arrived and departed a job at what time
[10:50:12] <rue_house> indide out application you see
[10:50:13] <Jymmm> https://www.tsheets.com/dol-dcaa-compliance
[10:50:42] <rue_house> yea
[10:51:12] <rue_house> now think of that for 35 job numbers a week
[10:51:54] <rue_house> my system isn't online right now...
[10:52:30] <rue_house> I made it when I was at the software company, similar application, 4 projects, what time in and out for each project
[10:53:24] <rue_house> oh wow, I was screwing with it
[10:53:37] <rue_house> added some css
[10:54:21] <Jymmm> I still say the smartphone wired to the ignition, then they can't forget to login =)
[10:54:36] <rue_house> its not about loggin in
[10:54:52] <rue_house> its about knowing which job you were on for what hours
[10:55:09] <Jymmm> Oh I know, but I'd forget sometimes, and it might be nice to know WHO is driving
[10:55:09] <rue_house> the resolution is 0.5hrs
[10:55:13] <rue_house> hahah cats back
[10:55:40] <rue_house> we dont need to know who is driving
[10:56:30] <Jymmm> no, for assigning person to job
[10:56:43] <Jymmm> who worked what job at what time(s)
[10:57:11] <rue_house> oh yay I got in
[10:58:00] <rue_house> I have a copy of the timesheet system running on this machine
[11:00:09] <rue_house> after loggin in...
[11:00:21] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/timesheet.png
[11:01:01] <rue_house> it defaults the fields to make it quick to finish and or start a slot
[11:01:30] <rue_house> but you have to pick from a list of pre-created jobs, which, for my job now, dosn't work out well
[11:01:53] <Jymmm> When you get a new job, it has an address, right?
[11:02:01] <rue_house> hahah
[11:02:09] <rue_house> if the office peopel do their job, sure
[11:02:21] <rue_house> I might even get a job number (required)
[11:02:27] <Jymmm> well, if they don't, hows a person to know where they are going?
[11:02:41] <rue_house> yes, and they have refused to address this issue
[11:03:04] <Jymmm> then thats your bosses job to kick their ass
[11:03:25] <rue_house> we do point that out to him
[11:03:32] <rue_house> he dosn't like to rile people up
[11:04:01] <Jymmm> *shrug*
[11:04:25] <rue_house> yea...
[11:05:06] <Jymmm> but, the driver could enter that info into the job record themselves if missing
[11:05:08] <rue_house> eee gad , the furnace is STILL going?
[11:05:26] <Jymmm> its snowing right?
[11:05:43] <Jymmm> and I'm guessing the boiler insight in a shed?
[11:05:47] <Jymmm> isn't*
[11:06:04] <Jymmm> with cable tv and room service
[11:06:09] <Jymmm> ;)
[11:06:19] <rue_house> the problem is, that we have to run from a job to an emergency to the next scheduled job, and everywhere we need to be, we need to be yesterday, so if somehting isn't requried to get your ass somewhere, its often not done
[11:06:42] <rue_house> no the boiler is outside, I should see if its still burning and stoke it up
[11:06:55] <Jymmm> FLAME ON!
[11:07:15] <Jymmm> thermite ignoters... it's a thing ;)
[11:07:57] <rue_house> in a hurry? tiger torch!
[11:16:59] <Jymmm> Yeah, HF has one for $30 and I have a 20% off coupon =)
[11:17:33] <Jymmm> I was going to use it to brn out the barrel, but I did it with wood and a blower yesteday.
[11:17:43] <Jymmm> Just need to find cheap stove paint now
[11:17:52] <Jymmm> err $20
[11:25:05] <rue_shop3> boiler winding up...
[11:29:41] <Jymmm> $3.68 not bad...
https://www.amazon.com/Rust-Oleum-7778830-Enamel-Bar-B-Que-12-Ounce/dp/B0010O0C94/
[12:00:16] <rue_shop3> oh crap I know what happened
[12:00:17] <rue_shop3> damnit
[12:18:03] <rue_shop3> regulator didn't boot properly, boiler overheated and dumped, burned myself on a pair of vice grips that keep the door closed (but was not on the door)
[12:18:08] <rue_shop3> <damnit>
[13:44:22] <rue_shop3> the collector is picking up 6.5c, and the emitter is pushing -13.5, and the tank is gaining temperature...
[13:44:36] <rue_shop3> its fun how heat is not energy
[14:26:11] <Jymmm> Well, the duct thing isn't going to work so well.
[14:27:01] <Jymmm> I took a 18" section of 5" duct, tossed it in front of a canon propare heater for 15m and then placed a fan on one end and my hand in the other, was cold.
[14:27:10] <Jymmm> propane*
[14:32:48] <Jymmm> rue_shop3:
http://imgur.com/a/CginN
[14:33:33] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: You think 3/8" copper tubing sitting on top of the camp stove and one of those cores would do it?
[14:34:24] <Jymmm> I have a 0.6 gal/min pump, and was thinking open loop so no pressure build up
[14:39:23] <rue_shop3> not for water no
[14:39:43] <rue_shop3> do exhaust heat recovery, air-air, insulate the hell out of the stove
[14:41:05] <Jymmm> I couldn't even get 18" of duct to heat, how is air/air gonna do it when I need at least 12ft?
[14:41:35] <rue_shop3> did you open any of those images I posted of the chimney heat recovery units?
[14:41:41] <Jymmm> I have very little height in the fluepipe when in the barrel
[14:41:52] <Jymmm> Yes, but realize this is going IN the barrel.
[14:42:00] <rue_shop3> the pipe dosn't go thru the barrel
[14:42:10] <rue_shop3> the pipe becomes the barrel
[14:42:26] <rue_shop3> the pipes going thru the barrel are your collector tubes
[14:42:43] <Jymmm> The barrel is going to be outdoors
[14:42:48] <rue_shop3> yup
[14:43:02] <rue_shop3> did you look at any of those images?
[14:43:08] <Jymmm> yes, I did
[14:43:17] <rue_shop3> k, did you see how they work?
[14:43:39] <rue_shop3> the barrel is filled with lots of exhaust, that it cooled by the airflow thru the pipes
[14:43:51] <rue_shop3> so you duct up to the in/out sides of those thru pipes
[14:44:20] <rue_shop3> "steam tubes" not "fire tubes"
[14:44:55] <Jymmm> Soemthing like this isn't feasable for me
http://www.allselfsustained.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/41.jpg
[14:45:02] <rue_shop3> the majority of my furnace heats air with 24" of 2" pipe, about 4 runs
[14:45:16] <rue_shop3> thats only a 2 gal can
[14:45:37] <Jymmm> I realize that, but the pipes/welding isn't possible right now
[14:45:46] <rue_shop3> aaah, ok
[14:46:04] <rue_shop3> I thought you had a welder
[14:46:35] <Jymmm> I have to borrow the neighbors, but it's gonna rain tomorrow and I don't have any tubing
[14:47:15] <Jymmm> I thought you meant some simple welding, not air tight multiple tubes =)
[14:48:35] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: So you dont think the radiator core is big enough, or that it just won't work well in this case?
[14:49:15] <Jymmm> My eluctance to try the copper tubing is that I won't have any use for it if it doesn't work and copper is pricy
[14:52:50] <rue_shop3> even if you make water jackets on every side of that stove you wont get enough heat
[14:53:02] <rue_shop3> and it would ruin the ability for the stove to burn properly
[14:53:46] <rue_shop3> collect the energy from the exhaust gas somehow
[14:56:28] <rue_shop3> a high temp air-air can be made by stacking ] peicees of sheet metal crosswise against each other, sealing the corners, and ducting the 4 edges, but...
[14:56:44] <rue_shop3> your better off making a rocket stove in the garage :)
[14:57:41] <Jymmm> the problem is the exhaust
[14:57:48] <rue_shop3> stand by
[14:59:06] <rue_shop3> http://www.iwilltry.org/b/build-a-rocket-stove-for-home-heating/
[14:59:11] <rue_shop3> that one specifically
[14:59:40] <rue_shop3> the internal insulated chimney is REALLY important
[15:01:46] <rue_shop3> I think you can build that
[15:02:44] <Jymmm> he used rockwool. I wonder if perlite would work
[15:02:51] <rue_shop3> yes
[15:03:03] <Jymmm> k
[15:03:44] <Jymmm> Whenever I've seen these, they are calling them "rock mass heaters", and use some cob/rock bench that absorbs the flue pipe heat
[15:04:22] <Jymmm> how the hell he's only getting 60c/140F out the exhaust tube is beyond me
[15:05:33] <Jymmm> Cause I have some 3" dbl-wall low-temp stove pipe I bought off CL befor eI knew it was "low temp" (<600F)
[15:06:14] <rue_shop3> its all dissipated over the surface of the tank
[15:09:02] <Jymmm> let me read the article in full. But he's using wood chips or pellets or split wood?
[15:10:10] <Jymmm> I have 2 cords of split wood, I'd hate to have to split that into lil 1-2" rounds.
[15:11:08] <Jymmm> Ok, so why is the insulating the burn chamber so significant here ?
[15:12:33] <Jymmm> the drums I have only have a single bung hole in the middle
http://i.imgur.com/wYp7TVW.jpg
[15:14:02] <rue_shop3> small bits of wood
[15:14:31] <rue_shop3> insulating that chamber makes the updraft work that the whole thing is based on
[16:02:14] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: Okey, in this video he theyhave an issue withthe draw,. He says the height from the top of burn chamber to the top of the barrel had to be reduced to get a better draw. But also the exhaust pipe is burried
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJeesxSZ4jM
[16:07:16] <rue_shop3> :)
[16:07:34] <rue_shop3> and I have to work out how to seal the door of the new boiler
[16:07:40] <rue_shop3> leaks smoke like a siv
[16:10:26] <Jymmm> fiberglass seal?
[16:10:38] <Jymmm> or graphite
[16:10:44] <rue_shop3> cant open the door or fire rushes out
[16:10:52] <rue_shop3> the system is up to temp, so the draft fan is off
[16:11:08] <rue_shop3> the tar on the door will hold mineral wool, but...
[16:11:13] <rue_shop3> cant apply it just now
[16:11:27] <Jymmm> mud
[16:11:51] <Jymmm> just pack it in mud for now
[16:12:03] <rue_shop3> kinda
[16:12:09] <rue_shop3> gonna ignore it...
[16:12:15] <Jymmm> you got snow, so you got mud already
[16:12:23] * rue_shop3 looks out into the thick cloud of smoke...
[16:12:32] <rue_shop3> its flamable too
[16:12:43] <Jymmm> are you sure you're not reenacting fast times ?
[16:12:48] <rue_shop3> you light a match and the smoke will catch - wood gas
[16:13:02] <Jymmm> turn the blower back on =)
[16:13:14] <rue_shop3> cant, water cant take any more heat
[16:13:28] <Jymmm> ok, toss in 50lbs of sand
[16:13:45] <Jymmm> or in your case, 100 lbs =)
[16:14:09] <Jymmm> are bung holes "standard" threads?
[16:14:37] <rue_shop3> yea, 3"
[16:14:48] <rue_shop3> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/not_public_dont_open/chart2.png
[16:15:44] <Jymmm> I think this is 2" threaded
http://i.imgur.com/wYp7TVW.jpg
[16:16:02] <rue_shop3> oh, yea, sorry
[16:16:30] <rue_shop3> 1 minute samples
[16:16:36] <rue_shop3> I have a database with years of them
[16:16:45] <Jymmm> heh
[16:17:03] <Jymmm> Ok it measure 2". I wonder if it's a pipe thread?
[16:17:10] <rue_shop3> yea it is
[16:17:35] <rue_shop3> another 2c and the draft fan will start up again
[16:17:55] <rue_shop3> I think its schmitt is between 70 and 75
[16:17:57] <Jymmm> So, while not optimal, some 2" pipe and some elbows
[16:18:44] <Jymmm> it would literally screw into the lid
[16:20:56] <Jymmm> Heh, I washed the bung, and it still smells of smoke and honey =)
[16:45:06] <rue_shop3> nothing like all the paint burning off the scrap metal used to make a boiler on the first fire-up
[16:47:49] <rue_shop3> damn tank temp sensor just glitched again
[17:13:38] <Jymmm> That rocket stove design is missing the pre-heated intake air, no? I wosh he took a few more photos
[17:13:47] <Jymmm> wish*
[17:33:39] <rue_shop3> hah
[17:33:51] <rue_shop3> dont worry about making it perfect
[17:33:53] <rue_shop3> make heat
[17:33:59] <rue_shop3> its a simple design that works well
[18:20:10] <rue_shop3> high air velocity, you cant overdraft a fire
[18:23:28] <rue_shop> how the hell did an hour just go by
[18:35:00] <Jymmm> Damnit, I was going to make a proof-of-concept of that, (I have a bunch of popcorn tins) but not the two different sizes of duct
[18:36:14] <Jymmm> ...which would serve to insulate the burn chamber with perlite.
[20:30:15] <Jymmm> rue_shop: Last two pics... it fits inside the barrel AND with one length of pipe it's 1" from the top (thought the lid recesses in 1/2")
http://imgur.com/a/CginN
[20:41:50] <rue_house> not enough air velocity
[20:42:07] <rue_house> the reason his works is cause of the really tiny burn chamber relative to the size of the flue
[20:42:14] <rue_house> and the fact its insulated
[20:42:27] <Jymmm> I can insulate, np there
[20:43:37] <Jymmm> I could potentially reduce the inside of the stove, essencially reducing the burn chamber size
[20:44:24] <rue_house> high air velocity
[20:44:35] <rue_house> were talking 2m/s+
[20:45:49] <Jymmm> What if... the whole thing was a "J" ?
[20:46:22] <rue_house> my test boiler ran 2x as much energy as that current one
[20:46:28] <rue_house> its burn chamber was only 8"
[20:46:43] <Jymmm> tall?
[20:46:53] <Jymmm> with a blower?
[20:52:38] <rue_house> yea
[20:53:06] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/dscn0107.jpg
[20:54:12] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/dscn0120.jpg
[20:54:48] <rue_house> iirc, that little thing worked out to like 75000 btu/hr
[20:55:29] <Jymmm> and your boiler can absorb all 75K ?
[20:59:43] <rue_house> I used a radiator core, it sniped almost all the heat out
[20:59:59] <rue_house> but it neded small wood/chips
[21:00:04] <rue_house> so I had to make the big one
[21:00:24] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/dscn0534.jpg <-- fail
[21:00:58] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/dscn0559.jpg <-- fail
[21:01:35] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/dscn6029.jpg <- A+++++++, but it froze and all the pipes busted
[21:02:01] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/dscn6062.jpg ()
[21:02:32] <Jymmm> Um, if it was frozen, doens't that mean it was cold enough to be using it?
[21:02:56] <rue_house> yea you cant run them 24/7
[21:03:43] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1010463.jpg
[21:03:44] <rue_house> fail
[21:03:48] <Jymmm> but a small smoldering fire would have kept from freezing, no?
[21:04:06] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1010703.jpg <- fail
[21:04:21] <Jymmm> and did you make that manifold with all the pipes going into it?
[21:04:33] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1010743.jpg <-- that was that one doing awesome
[21:04:39] <Jymmm> heh, it looks like a steampunk robot
[21:05:07] <Jymmm> this one does
http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1010703.jpg
[21:05:12] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1010748.jpg <-- fail
[21:05:14] <Jymmm> on it's side
[21:05:50] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1010835.jpg
[21:06:03] <rue_house> in that one, there are heat plates for water built into the top
[21:06:06] <rue_house> FAIL
[21:06:25] <rue_house> both tops have water jackets and there is a collector IN the firebox
[21:06:28] <rue_house> fail fail fail
[21:06:33] <rue_house> that was the worst of them all
[21:06:37] <rue_house> shed was warm tho
[21:06:56] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1010840.jpg <-- top right
[21:07:39] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1020557.jpg <-- commercial gas boiler on a diy firebox FAIL
[21:07:42] <Jymmm> Ok this one
http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1010743.jpg I see a water tank plumbed into a core... tell me about this
[21:07:51] <rue_house> maybe that one .. no the woodstove was worse
[21:08:15] <rue_house> it was for storage so I could measure the energy output
[21:08:29] <Jymmm> not actual use?
[21:08:43] <rue_house> no, I was trying to get btu/hr numbers
[21:08:53] <rue_house> known volume, known temp diff over time
[21:09:09] <Jymmm> ok, but which way the fire/air flows?
[21:09:19] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1020797.jpg that one sooted up pretty bad too
[21:09:32] <rue_house> the fan is sucking exhaust
[21:09:38] <rue_house> I worked that out early
[21:09:42] <Jymmm> ah
[21:09:49] <Jymmm> have you seen drizzlers?
[21:09:53] <rue_house> it ALWAYS works better to suck the exhaust then to push air
[21:10:19] <rue_house> wow, the firebox I just retired was made in 2010
[21:11:03] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030404-truckpipe.jpg
[21:11:14] <rue_house> there is the tubes for the exchanger
[21:11:33] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030469-exchangeR4.jpg
[21:11:35] <rue_house> LOTS of holes
[21:11:50] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030474-exchangeR4.jpg
[21:12:05] <rue_house> if anyone ever says to you, "hey, lets make a boiler!" say no
[21:12:20] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030477-exchangeR4.jpg
[21:12:37] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030493.jpg
[21:12:46] <rue_house> every one brazed in
[21:12:47] <Jymmm> and that's what you are using now?
[21:12:52] <rue_house> yup
[21:13:12] <rue_house> 54 1.25" tubes, something like 48" long
[21:13:39] <rue_house> 187 square inches of surface area
[21:13:45] <rue_house> er
[21:13:59] <rue_house> 10109 square inches
[21:14:07] <Jymmm> eeesh
[21:14:21] <rue_house> 70 square feet
[21:14:24] <Jymmm> I'm still wondering why the duct didn't work this morning
[21:14:59] <rue_house> fixing the leaks in that thing took forever
[21:15:22] <Jymmm> Heh, I bet. Did you test with water or air?
[21:15:32] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030650-guages.jpg thats what I been using up till last weekend
[21:15:37] <rue_house> water tested
[21:15:52] <Jymmm> then drained, then patched, then refilled?
[21:15:59] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030654-flapper.jpg
[21:16:18] <rue_house> this was a good idea, but the shaking of the blower caused them to workharden and break off
[21:19:19] <rue_house> huh, I get about 7 or 8 packages a month from aliexpress
[21:20:27] <Jymmm> lol
[22:16:59] <Jymmm> Hmmm, now I'm curious why he transitioned from 4" sq tubing to (what looks like) 3" round tubing
http://www.iwilltry.org/b/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/rocket-stove-testing-draft.jpg
[22:18:23] <rue_house> the square is the firebox, easier to shape and fit into the drum
[22:19:18] <Jymmm> Why not stay sq al the way, easy than welding up a adapter plate
[22:19:43] <Jymmm> If that's 4" sq, and he says 1" rockwool...
http://www.iwilltry.org/b/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/rocket-stove-assembly-2.jpg
[22:20:33] <Jymmm> what diam round pipe would you think this is?
http://www.iwilltry.org/b/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/rocket-stove-assembly-1.jpg
[22:20:48] <Jymmm> 2.5" ?
[22:21:53] <Jymmm> smaller diam would make sense, as it would give a "jet like" action
[22:23:14] <rue_house> the round stuff is there to generate updraft
[22:23:18] <rue_house> ALL the updraft
[22:23:56] <Jymmm> I get that, 'm trying to reve engineer it
[22:24:09] <rue_house> thermal draft
[22:24:19] <rue_house> to generate airflow
[22:24:34] <rue_house> hot exhaust goes into chamber, cant get out till its cold
[22:25:11] <rue_house> (falls to the bottom)
[22:25:17] <Jymmm> I get the principal of it, just trying to get dimensions now
[22:25:36] <Jymmm> to draw it out
[22:25:49] <rue_house> for scale, mosts water tanks are 18"
[22:26:18] <Jymmm> I mean the pipe diameter, distane from the top of the WH, distance from the bottom, etc
[22:26:49] <Jymmm> I'm thinking it's going to burn out the top if it doesn't have a back plate
[22:27:06] <rue_house> most fireplace bricks are about 2" high with 1/4" of mortar
[22:27:12] <Jymmm> we know the sq tubing is 4"
[22:28:54] <rue_house> http://prepperssurvivalhomestead.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/www.skilledsurvival.comwp-contentuploads201512Hand-Drill-ab030fabe5a2ac7428b4a09ca3e98e960c913095.jpg
[22:29:48] <rue_house> how long does the stick need to be? what size is it? what kind of wood is it? how fast do you need to turn it? how much downward pressure should be applied? ... :)
[22:30:33] <Jymmm> This is the answer
http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/1000/7a/7af52940-265e-4a36-9e70-f8b268725d92_1000.jpg
[22:31:09] <Jymmm> the distance from the top alters the draft as I understand it.
[22:31:55] <rue_house> no, the draft pressure is controlled by the height of the internal chimney and the temp difference
[22:31:59] <rue_house> hot air rises
[22:32:13] <Jymmm> but it still affects the draw
[22:33:09] <Jymmm> it was in the video I posted earlier, it was one of the mistakes
[22:33:34] <Jymmm> I dont know WHY, but 2" did make a difference
[22:34:06] <Jymmm> he even says he has a block in there for a gap, but not how big the block is.
[22:40:58] <Jymmm> I was thinking of having a muffler shop cut/bend some 3" pipe into a "J"
[22:43:46] <Jymmm> here's your tiger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZyiZnwo5WU
[22:44:07] <rue_house> pff
[22:45:07] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/smelter/p1040233.jpg
[22:45:14] <rue_house> arg, no images of the tiger torch
[22:45:47] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/mecha1/p1080051.jpg
[22:47:56] <rue_house> aha
[22:49:24] <rue_house> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/smelter/p1080319.jpg
[22:49:27] <rue_house> tada
[22:53:18] <Tom_L> how thick is your smelting pot?
[22:53:25] <Tom_L> did you make that or buy it?
[22:53:34] <Tom_L> crucible
[22:53:45] <rue_house> its a peice of pipe with plate welded on the end
[22:53:54] <rue_house> I made the mistake of using stainless pipe
[22:53:56] <Tom_L> that's what i figured
[22:54:10] <rue_house> stuff in the alum reacts with it and pits it out
[22:54:24] <Tom_L> what about regular iron pipe
[22:54:26] <Tom_L> or steel
[22:54:27] <rue_house> so I have a bunch of welded patches on it where holes came thru
[22:54:35] <rue_house> reguular steel is ok
[22:54:45] <rue_house> the bottom has carried forward 3 pots
[22:55:03] <rue_house> right now I figure when I'm done patching, the whole thing will be welding rod
[22:55:24] <Tom_L> use a good alloy rod :D
[22:56:06] <rue_house> 6010
