#garfield | Logs for 2016-11-20

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[00:45:54] <Jymmm> pic of old cnc?
[00:57:13] <rue_shop3> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/cnc/p1030107.jpg
[00:57:27] <rue_shop3> its more of a router than a cnc
[00:57:46] <rue_shop3> awefull to program (I wrote the nc software)
[01:05:18] <Jymmm> attach your sears router to it =)
[01:05:47] <Jymmm> maybe turn it into a cnc drillpress?
[01:07:43] <Jymmm> Ya know, stove pipe is FUCKiNG expensive!!!!
[01:12:33] <Jymmm> Ironically, duct is cheap. I'm thinking 3" or 4" muffler pipe, then 6" duct, and fill with perlite in between.
[01:13:00] <Jymmm> well, 3" muffler pipe as it's "common"
[01:34:02] <rue_shop3> :/
[01:34:30] <Jymmm> ?
[01:34:41] <rue_shop3> I was adjusting one of the feet on the lathe stand, and I noticed the dial indicator I had between the carrige and the chuck change by about .3mm
[01:34:52] <rue_shop3> er, .03
[01:34:53] <rue_shop3> anyhow
[01:35:11] <rue_shop3> maybe I should cast a concrete top for the lathe stand
[01:35:35] <Jymmm> wood/earth floor?
[01:35:51] <rue_shop3> concrete foor
[01:36:02] <rue_shop3> I put adjustable feet on the stand for lathe
[01:36:29] <Jymmm> oh, not a cast iron lathe?
[01:36:37] <rue_shop3> it is
[01:36:42] <Jymmm> Oh, ewww
[01:37:18] <rue_shop3> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/lathe/p1040779.jpg
[01:37:40] <rue_shop3> I put a plywood back on the table legs to muffle vibration
[01:38:00] <Jymmm> ah
[01:38:05] <rue_shop3> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/lathe/p1040776.jpg
[01:38:10] <rue_shop3> getting it on the stand was fun
[01:38:39] <rue_shop3> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/lathe/p1040770.jpg
[01:38:43] <Jymmm> might as well been moving a house
[01:38:47] <rue_shop3> I never got to making lock nuts for it
[08:50:46] <Tom_L> XT kbd can be changed to PS2 but not usb right?
[08:51:42] <Tom_L> i've got an old 20lb (seems like) kbd i may try to revive
[09:01:52] <Tom_L> rue_house, you were wondering about lcnc RT performance: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?RealTime
[11:41:26] <Jymmm> Tom_L: Sure you could. uC and a usb to serial adapter
[11:42:27] <Jymmm> Tom_L: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=17458.0
[12:15:22] <rue_house> Jymmm, but dont try to replace the local controller, the keybaords use capacitive paddles, so its basically the biggest oldest touchscreen you ever seen
[12:16:24] <Jymmm> rue_house: Ah, good to know.
[12:23:15] <rue_house> I assumed it was switches and took one apart
[12:31:40] <Jymmm> dig a trench and toss in a cord of wood, put a swimmming pool on top of that, then cover the pool with the dirt from the trench, ignight the wood
[12:32:17] <Jymmm> oh, toss in soe perferated pipes on top of the wood attached to blowers
[12:32:21] <rue_house> Pete fire
[12:32:24] <Jymmm> some*
[12:32:35] <rue_house> peat?
[12:32:41] <Jymmm> peat =)
[12:33:12] <Jymmm> depending on species, that's 30M BTU's available on demand
[12:35:21] <rue_house> I was going to make a pit version of the boiler
[12:35:30] <Jymmm> and you dont have to reload the fucking firebox for the next couple of months =)
[12:38:33] <Jymmm> But, I guess that would also need a 4M gallon swimming pool?
[12:39:02] <rue_house> not if you use state change
[12:39:21] <rue_house> use a heat pump to change the heat range to cross the freezing point
[12:39:49] <rue_house> you can also mess with the btu levels if you have a time machine
[12:40:21] <Jymmm> yeah, I have a spare one behind the shed I can use
[12:41:03] <rue_house> a watt is a joiule per second dont ya know
[12:41:09] <Jymmm> Well, lets pretend your kids play on top of the swimming pool and not a pressurised water/steam bomb
[12:42:12] <rue_house> I need to break the barrier of 3d dimentions from x, y, and z
[12:48:17] <Jymmm> there's a slicing program for that
[12:49:22] <rue_house> it uses a math lib for offsetting polygones,
[12:49:41] <Jymmm> Well, this wasn't what I was talking about, but... http://slic3r.org/
[12:53:25] <rue_house> http://www.angusj.com/delphi/clipper.php
[12:53:32] <rue_house> it uses that library
[12:53:42] <rue_house> for all its gruntwork
[12:54:35] <Jymmm> 50 gallons of (unpressurised) water @ 8 lbs per gallon = 400 lbs @ ~1 BTU/LB = 400 BTU's
[12:55:09] <rue_house> unless state change
[12:55:20] <rue_house> or mixed with balls of state changing wax
[12:55:45] <rue_house> inwhich case you can get prolly better than 40000 BTU/LB
[12:56:30] <Jymmm> explain please (the wax balls) state change as wax doesn't have the specific heat of water.
[12:56:49] <rue_house> but in the processof chaging state there is a huge energy shelf
[12:58:13] <rue_house> what you need is a calarometer
[12:58:14] <Jymmm> if parrafin melts around (let's say) 180F, it would either float/sink in the water, so would it even need to be in balls at all?
[12:58:27] <rue_house> forced area
[12:58:54] <rue_house> if all your wax becomes a blob on top, its available surface area goes down a lot :)
[12:59:07] <Jymmm> ok, I get that.
[12:59:08] <rue_house> AND your subject to the conductivity of the wax for removal of the heat
[12:59:55] <Jymmm> So we wrap the wax into little pingong balls of nitro cellulos , next?
[13:00:15] <rue_house> with an air bubble, for expansion
[13:00:29] <rue_house> which is a lot
[13:00:33] <Jymmm> Well, the plastic itself would expand
[13:00:38] <rue_house> freaking was is like 10-20%
[13:00:45] <rue_house> wax
[13:01:47] <rue_house> damn 1 variable naming, I'm out of letters
[13:01:55] <rue_house> 1 character variables names
[13:02:03] <Jymmm> Ok, so we leave an air gap, How it our wax balls going to store more BTU's ?
[13:02:26] <rue_house> state change
[13:02:45] <Jymmm> single char vars are going to bite you in the ass down the road.
[13:02:53] <rue_house> the specific heat is temp delta and energy delta yes?
[13:03:13] <Jymmm> no clue on state change
[13:03:15] <rue_house> well, the temp dosn't change while you oput energy into the state change
[13:03:30] <rue_house> so there is a shelf in the graph at the state change
[13:03:43] <rue_house> which makes the formula for specific heat go nutz
[13:04:29] <rue_house> http://www.splung.com/heat/images/latentheat/phasechange.png
[13:05:22] <rue_house> if your operating point is from A.5 to C.5, your specific heat looks huge
[13:07:00] <rue_house> thats why just stopping environmental warming wouldn't be enough, we would have to pull huge amounts of energy out of the poles to stop the melting
[13:07:27] <Jymmm> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/spht.html
[13:07:28] <Jymmm> and
[13:07:36] <Jymmm> http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/thermo/phase.html#c1
[13:07:57] <rue_house> "The relationship does not apply if a phase change is encountered, because the heat added or removed during a phase change does not change the temperature."\
[13:08:04] <rue_house> aka, the math goes out the window
[13:08:45] <rue_house> "involve large amounts of energy compared to the specific heat."
[13:09:01] <Jymmm> I need a 768K BTU thermal mass to heat the shop for 24 hours. I'm trying to figure out how close to that I can get to.
[13:09:08] <rue_house> your trying to store your energy in the specific heat, you should be trying to store it in a state change
[13:09:33] <rue_house> find out what the energy shelf is like for the wax
[13:09:57] <rue_house> that point where the specific heat basically goes to infinity
[13:16:03] <Jymmm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-change_material
[13:16:36] <rue_house> _I_ know, are you getting it?
[13:17:20] <rue_house> hahaha the parafin section is empty
[13:17:43] <Jymmm> I get the concept of phase change storage, yes. But not the capacity and if btu's need to be contonously toss in maintain the state
[13:17:57] <rue_house> no its statefull
[13:18:06] <Jymmm> well, I geuss extracted
[13:18:26] <rue_house> anywhere in that energy range it will stay what it was
[13:19:42] <rue_house> accrding to this, changing parafin between a solid and a liquid takes about 250kJ/kg
[13:20:12] <rue_house> how many liters of water, no state change, to store 250kJ?
[13:20:15] <Jymmm> ok, fair enough. But what about capacity? I can get 55gal drums for $5/ea, I can get 50lb boxes of parrafin, I can get pingpong balls in bulk, But it's how many 55gal drums full of wax balls would I need, 2-3, or more like 20 to 200?
[13:22:06] <rue_house> "yes, pharamasist please..... Yes, hi, I'd like a needle with a large syringe please." "large syringe, can I ask what your planning?" "Well I have 20000 pingpong balls I need to inject parafin into..." "...."
[13:22:57] <Jymmm> good use of an old cnc machine if you ask me
[13:23:31] <rue_house> ooo I have a medical analizer
[13:23:42] <rue_house> its got needle hardware
[13:23:45] <Jymmm> and I already have an assortment of 30ga to 22ga needles.
[13:24:00] <rue_house> and trays for ... egg trays!
[13:24:37] <rue_house> I wonder how you would flush the wax out of the pipes...
[13:24:57] <Jymmm> hot water, it melts at 160F
[13:25:02] <rue_house> I should see what the melting points are of the wax's I have
[13:25:10] <Jymmm> 160-190F depending
[13:25:20] <rue_house> f?
[13:25:33] <rue_house> between 60c and 80c I'm sure
[13:25:55] <rue_house> god, it already takes 2 hours to charge the 100 gal tank...
[13:26:14] <rue_house> if it were parifin, I could have a week of heat in one charge
[13:26:20] <Jymmm> 190F == 88c
[13:26:37] <Jymmm> 160F == 71c
[13:26:56] <Jymmm> how did you determine that?
[13:27:05] <Jymmm> is there a formula?
[13:28:17] <Jymmm> and how much wood do you burn to get 100g hot?
[13:29:03] <rue_house> its a lot higher
[13:29:11] <rue_house> I think about 100x, prove me wrong :)
[13:29:28] <rue_house> how many liters of water, no state change, to store 250kJ?
[13:29:30] <Jymmm> would you be stealign the worlds largest frying pan to heat the wax and capture ALL of the energy release fro the wood and it's gasses?
[13:30:28] <rue_house> oooh your right, if I throw the balls in hot, I'v precharged the tank!
[13:30:34] <rue_house> need sealing gloooo
[13:31:02] <Jymmm> sealing goo == soldering iron
[13:31:19] <rue_house> for a pingpong ball? maybe you should see what they are made of
[13:31:52] <Jymmm> you are not going to buy the REAL ones, too expensive. You'll use the cheap ass china specials which are not made of nitro cellulos
[13:32:31] <rue_house> maybe I should check what they are making them out of not
[13:32:33] <rue_house> now
[13:32:39] <rue_house> back when it was horrid stuff
[13:38:02] <Jymmm> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/100Pcs-lot-3-Star-40mm-Olympic-Table-Tennis-Balls-Professional-Ping-Pong-Balls-Orange-White/32658126305.html
[13:38:28] <Jymmm> sealing goo = a drop of crazy glue
[13:38:48] <rue_house> yes, quite likley
[13:39:39] <rue_house> hahah get a 64 cubic foot box of pinpong balls from china,,,
[13:39:48] <rue_house> weight, 10lbs
[13:39:53] <Jymmm> is there a formula?
[13:40:02] <rue_house> formula for what?
[13:40:09] <rue_house> how many liters of water, no state change, to store 250kJ?
[13:41:00] <Jymmm> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-solids-d_154.html
[13:41:54] <rue_house> no water
[13:49:00] <Jymmm> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-capacity-d_391.html
[13:54:57] <Jymmm> a 40mm ball has a volume of 0.00885 gallons ~= 1.1 us fluid ounces
[13:57:56] <rue_house> whatever
[13:58:24] <rue_house> zippo:/tmp# circle -d 40
[13:58:24] <rue_house> Radius is : 20.000000
[13:58:24] <rue_house> Diameter is: 40.000000
[13:58:24] <rue_house> Circumfrence is : 125.663704
[13:58:24] <rue_house> Area is : 1256.637085
[13:58:24] <rue_house> Sphere area: 5026.548340
[13:58:27] <rue_house> Sphere volume: 33510.320312
[13:58:49] <rue_house> You have: 33510mm3
[13:58:49] <rue_house> You want: gallons
[13:58:49] <rue_house> * 0.0088524055
[13:59:11] <rue_house> You have: 33510mm3
[13:59:11] <rue_house> You want: lightyears3
[13:59:11] <rue_house> * 3.9573131e-53
[13:59:32] <Jymmm> Hey, enough with the time machine already ;)
[13:59:33] <rue_house> You have: 33510mm3
[13:59:33] <rue_house> You want: teaspoons
[13:59:33] <rue_house> * 6.7986474
[14:00:02] <rue_house> You have: 33510mm3
[14:00:02] <rue_house> You want: cups
[14:00:02] <rue_house> * 0.14163849
[14:00:13] <rue_house> You have: 33510mm3
[14:00:13] <rue_house> You want: liters
[14:00:13] <rue_house> * 0.03351
[14:00:32] <rue_house> whaaaat is the specific heat of waaaater
[14:00:44] <rue_house> how many liters of water, no state change, to store 250kJ?
[14:00:54] <rue_house> 1?
[14:01:01] <Jymmm> NFC
[14:01:24] <rue_house> 4.186
[14:01:24] <rue_house> The specific heat of water is 1 calorie/gram ?C = 4.186 joule/gram ?C
[14:01:36] <rue_house> bastards
[14:02:07] <Jymmm> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/water-properties-d_1508.html
[14:02:23] <rue_house> You have: 1 cal/g
[14:02:23] <rue_house> You want: kJ/kg
[14:02:23] <rue_house> * 4.1868
[14:02:36] <rue_house> so, how many liters of water, no state change, to store 250kJ?
[14:02:48] <rue_house> 1kg wax = 250kJ
[14:03:18] <rue_house> 1kg water = 4.1868 kJ
[14:03:29] <rue_house> (state change vs no state change)
[14:03:49] <rue_house> so the difference is about 63x
[14:04:32] <rue_house> so, what is pariffins kg/L?
[14:04:47] <rue_house> less than water I suppose
[14:05:09] <Jymmm> 3260 J/Kg
[14:05:31] <rue_house> how did you get a different number?
[14:06:00] <Jymmm> http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/specific-heat-capacity-d_391.html
[14:12:57] <Jymmm> Pellets are 8400 BTU/lb (moisture free), and 7817 BTU/lb (typical), so let's say pellets are 8000 BTU/lb for simplicity sake, and come in a 40lb bag. so 8000BTU/lb * 40 lbs = 320K BTU/bag.
[14:15:44] <Jymmm> Now, to butn them at full combustion will take some heat that the water/pingpong balls/wax can't handle, so we'll need an intermidate stage, say gypsum.
[14:18:12] <Tom_L> what about corn
[14:18:38] <Jymmm> gypsum heats the water which heats the wax balls;
[14:18:46] <Tom_L> pellets will cost you more
[14:19:15] <Jymmm> Tom_L: its' not a fuel, it's the measureab;e amoutn of btu/lb
[14:20:31] <Jymmm> Tom_L: we're talking about phase change storage
[14:20:54] <Tom_L> why do you want to store it in it's heated state?
[14:27:44] <Jymmm> not heated, phase change.
[14:28:50] <Jymmm> rue_house: Hey, what about sodium acetate heat pads in a 55gal drum of water?
[14:30:40] <Tom_L> why do you want to store it upside down?
[14:31:31] <Jymmm> Tom_L: Per rue, it can store 63x more in a phase change state
[14:31:57] <Tom_L> mm
[14:32:41] <Jymmm> rue_house: Water= 4.2 J/g C, sodium acetate = 2.5 J/g C
[14:32:47] <Jymmm> specific heat*
[14:33:16] <Jymmm> rue_house: Just smack the drum with a sledge hammer and you got heat =)
[14:38:17] <Jymmm> By pressing on a metal disc within the heating pad, a nucleation center is formed, causing the solution to crystallize back into solid sodium acetate trihydrate. The bond-forming process of crystallization is exothermic.[13][14] The latent heat of fusion is about 264–289 kJ/kg
[14:39:03] <Tom_L> is that what those heat pads do?
[14:39:10] <Tom_L> with the little disc inside em
[14:39:24] <Jymmm> they release heat when you press on the metal disc,
[14:39:29] <Tom_L> boil to reset
[14:39:36] <Jymmm> yes
[14:42:45] <Jymmm> Tom_L: http://home.howstuffworks.com/question290.htm
[14:44:45] <Tom_L> i've actually had that happen with bottled water
[14:44:55] <Tom_L> when opened, it instantly froze
[14:46:05] <Jymmm> I'v never heard of that, and doens't sound like it was "water"
[14:46:28] <Tom_L> it surprised me but it did happen
[14:46:36] <Tom_L> and i drank it and am still here
[14:46:44] <Jymmm> zombie
[14:46:45] <Tom_L> (once it thawed)
[14:47:04] <Tom_L> i'd never seen it before
[14:48:15] <Tom_L> it was much quicker than the sodium acetate reaction
[14:49:30] <Tom_L> https://www.google.com/search?q=freezing+water+instantly&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
[14:51:12] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25SHX5Sj7ZA
[14:54:50] <Tom_L> wonder if that water/wine thing was similar =)
[14:56:38] <Jymmm> rue_house: I *think* I have about 10-15 lbs of parrafin blocks
[14:58:46] <Jymmm> rue_house: http://www.ebay.com/itm/12-WHITE-BEER-PING-PONG-BALLS-1-DOZEN-/291717466153
[14:59:29] <Jymmm> oh, nm
[15:00:15] <Tom_L> so i can switch cables on this kbd with no issues?
[15:00:23] <Tom_L> old xt to PS2
[15:00:39] <Tom_L> i got plenty of dead ps2 ones
[15:00:43] <Jymmm> Here we go... 144 for $10 http://www.ebay.com/itm/144-Ping-Pong-Table-Tennis-Ball-1-Gross-12-Dozen-Beer-Bulk-White-Sport-Accessory-/231912700273
[15:01:41] <Jymmm> Bet I could solvent weld them closed.
[15:06:20] <Jymmm> rue_house: One tea-light candle without the foil is 0.415/ox or 11.77g
[15:07:01] <Jymmm> with the foil it's 12.40g or 0.437oz
[16:10:03] <Jymmm> rue_house: Already comes in 55gal drums or 265 gallon totes http://meltsnow.com/products/acetates/
[18:19:52] <Jymmm> rue_house: rue_shop3 Thermal Energy Storage: systems and applications: PDF --> https://www.researchgate.net/file.PostFileLoader.html?id=574d5d57f7b67eba9d4c929f&assetKey=AS%3A367742109667328%401464687959319
[18:32:28] <Jymmm> rue_house: page 376
[19:49:34] <AltJesteR> greets
[20:32:49] <Jymmm> He's multiplying!!!
[20:35:17] <rue_shop4> I'm recovering
[20:35:40] <Jymmm> from multiplying?
[20:35:49] <rue_shop4> ok, the 3d printer and the cnc are going, is it noisy enough in here yet?
[20:36:07] <Jymmm> I can HEAR you just fine, must be in your head
[20:36:32] * rue_shop4 turns on the jukebox to drown out the noise, cause, thats how it works, right?
[20:37:08] <Jymmm> As long as you play "whitenoise, the extended version"
[20:38:54] <Jymmm> I though I could get away withmaking my own double wall pipe using 3" exhaust pipe, but on a barrel stove, don't thik it's gonna work.
[20:41:15] <Jymmm> I have one section of 6"@4ft, but no flue collar. and it's going to be raining for the next 6 days so I cna't even try and weld one borrowing the neighbors welder
[20:42:37] <Jymmm> Man, that's all it's been for the last couple of years... do do one thing, I have to do 5 other things first =(
[20:42:49] <Jymmm> to do*
[20:55:40] <rue_shop4> yea, dependency trees
[20:59:53] <Jymmm> them too
[21:19:03] <Jymmm> Got portasaw? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrMhZEIweA0
[21:23:14] <rue_shop4> I cant view youtube on this computer
[21:23:18] <rue_shop4> if you see kat, tell her
[21:23:29] <rue_shop4> if
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[21:23:34] <rue_shop4> scrolled
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[21:23:36] <rue_shop4> the
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[21:23:42] <rue_shop4> I'll
[21:23:44] <rue_shop4> click
[21:23:46] <rue_shop4> it
[21:23:48] <rue_shop4> when
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[21:23:56] <rue_shop4> my
[21:23:58] <rue_shop4> bedroom
[21:24:00] <rue_shop4> :)
[21:24:28] <Jymmm> rue_bed: Thermal Energy Storage: systems and applications: PDF --> https://www.researchgate.net/file.PostFileLoader.html?id=574d5d57f7b67eba9d4c929f&assetKey=AS%3A367742109667328%401464687959319
[21:24:48] <rue_shop4> and what are they up to?
[21:24:58] <Jymmm> 600 pages
[21:25:09] <rue_shop4> I'm doing things, summarize!
[21:25:38] <Jymmm> page 376.
[21:25:38] <rue_shop4> root@MorphatronIII:/files/programming/c/ruecam# gcc main.c
[21:25:38] <rue_shop4> -bash: gcc: command not found
[21:25:43] <rue_shop4> !#$#$@#@$&^@@#&@*@!!!!!!
[21:25:58] <Jymmm> get to bed and find out =)
[21:26:11] <rue_shop4> my bedroom desk is rue_house
[21:27:05] <Jymmm> Well, one of you can read it or not, I don't care. It's a $125 book on TES
[21:27:32] <Jymmm> with a lot of squingies it it that I think people call calculus
[21:28:00] <Jymmm> but page 376 has a parrfin case study
[21:28:36] <rue_shop4> whats the summary?
[21:30:19] <Jymmm> dont know, haven't got that far
[21:55:22] <__M00N__> Ruuuu
[21:59:49] <rue_shop4> yea
[21:59:57] <rue_shop4> AltJesteR, !
[22:00:07] <rue_shop4> I'm getting good at this
[22:00:29] <rue_shop4> if it weren't for A SERIES OF FAULTY FLOPPY DISKS I'd have two cnc and a 3d printer going right now
[22:02:09] <Jymmm> discs or drives?
[22:02:24] <rue_shop4> DISKS
[22:02:40] <rue_shop4> well, you know, usual story, two drives that the heads dont line up the same on
[22:02:43] <Jymmm> 8", 5" or 3" ?
[22:02:57] * Jymmm snickers
[22:03:03] <rue_shop4> 8... hehe
[22:03:08] <rue_shop4> no, 3.5"
[22:03:15] <rue_shop4> BUUUUT
[22:03:23] <rue_shop4> you have a good point, maybe I should use a 5
[22:03:56] <Jymmm> I have sealed boxes of 3.5" with LIFETIME warranty on them =)
[22:04:13] <rue_shop4> hahah
[22:04:19] <rue_shop4> and no company to get it from
[22:04:35] <Jymmm> Actually, they do exist =)
[22:04:41] <rue_shop4> does even maxwell exists anymore?
[22:06:15] <Jymmm> looks like theyare owned by hitachihttp://www.maxell-usa.com/
[22:07:23] <Jymmm> © 2012 Hitachi Maxell, Ltd., All rights reserved.
[22:07:50] <Jymmm> But, I have a sure fire way of testing disks
[22:08:22] <rue_shop4> crap, I locked up the thread for the drive
[22:10:27] <rue_shop4> crap I cant just reboot the fileserver, I have two workstations using files on it
[22:10:46] <Jymmm> kill the process
[22:10:47] <__M00N__> Got some rods only 1/8 though
[22:50:47] <__M00N__> Hay rue you still there?
[22:54:56] <rue_shop4> had to go to the mall, they tripped the fire alarm and tom needed help to know how to fix it :)
[22:55:06] <rue_shop4> __M00N__, are they 6011?
[22:55:14] <rue_shop4> not rusty?
[22:56:34] <__M00N__> yes
[22:56:37] <__M00N__> and yes
[22:56:54] <__M00N__> whats yer home phone number again?
[23:06:33] <__M00N__> ??
[23:21:36] <rue_house> 6-5934
[23:21:51] <rue_house> why did I come here
[23:21:52] <rue_house> oh yea
[23:30:37] <__M00N__> http://members.shaw.ca/roma/sine.gif
[23:41:42] <rue_shop4> yea, kat gave me the key idea that I used to put 4 phases of sine wave pwm on an eeprom
[23:41:55] <rue_shop4> 0, 90, 120, 240