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[00:59:58] <__M00N__> HAY RUE!
[01:14:21] <__M00N__> Sleeps or not sleeps?
[01:17:35] <rue_house> hey
[01:17:40] <rue_house> python coding
[01:17:52] <rue_house> debian is too far behind
[01:18:12] <rue_house> frustrating trying to use things that dont exist 'yet' (5 years ago)
[01:20:48] <rue_house> python 2 and 3 aren't compatible
[01:27:35] <__M00N__> no thier not womp womp
[01:28:00] <__M00N__> did you want those guitar things i left for you?
[01:28:11] <rue_house> found how to do what I want in 2.7
[01:28:36] <rue_house> meh, I had a project for an electric guitar, might still work on it one day
[01:28:39] <rue_house> have all the other parts here
[01:29:05] <__M00N__> staying up late tonight?
[01:29:35] <rue_house> maybe
[01:29:39] <rue_house> depends if I stay awake
[01:29:49] <__M00N__> I might come over
[01:30:30] <rue_house> k
[01:32:16] <__M00N__> k im leaving soon
[01:33:27] * rue_house yawns
[03:54:13] <__M00N__> What the flip is JTAG in the xontext of serial
[03:54:14] <__M00N__> ?
[04:08:01] <__M00N__> Gone Sleepin"
[15:38:56] <rue_house> according to tracking, the package is still at the post office :)
[15:39:16] <rue_house> I'll be curious to see if the tracking info is any better
[15:40:37] <Tom_L> it left
[15:40:58] <Tom_L> you may not hear from it after chicago
[15:41:02] <Tom_L> i dunno
[15:41:24] <Tom_L> depends if it decides to take a trip to hong kong or austrailia first
[15:43:08] <rue_house> *sigh* _I_ dont get a world tour.
[15:43:39] <Tom_L> climb in a box and put a stamp on your arse
[15:45:53] <rue_house> ok I have a 3d brensham alg!
[15:46:04] <rue_house> little bit of adjusting of bad internet code
[15:48:24] <Tom_L> work for negative slopes too?
[15:49:06] <rue_house> yup
[15:49:33] <rue_house> I think I used brensham on the old router cause its got no math copro
[15:49:53] <Tom_L> is this for your mill?
[15:50:04] <rue_house> old one yea
[15:50:15] <rue_house> I'm mulling what to do with it
[15:50:23] <rue_house> I dont want to break the old functionality
[15:50:26] <rue_house> BUT
[15:50:35] <Tom_L> you lost the code ehh?
[15:50:36] <rue_house> thats the functionality thats left it idle for ... years
[15:50:44] <rue_house> its on a drive in the freezer
[15:50:50] <rue_house> but it only does 2d lines
[15:50:53] <rue_house> xy plane only
[15:50:59] <Tom_L> it's frozen in time
[15:51:24] <rue_house> even if I can read the drive, I dont know if I can find the data in time to grab it
[15:51:32] <Tom_L> you ever look at the lcnc source?
[15:51:49] <rue_house> in the old days my file organization wasn't as good
[15:52:24] <rue_house> I'm really weary of a multitaking OS driving motors on a parallel port
[15:52:38] <Tom_L> what os?
[15:52:39] <rue_house> I mean, that thing has a dedicated app under dos and it cant step that fast
[15:52:54] <Tom_L> they use rtai
[15:53:04] <rue_house> dosn't matter
[15:53:06] <Tom_L> or preempt-rt
[15:53:12] <rue_house> its still a tight fit
[15:53:12] <Tom_L> several flavors now
[15:53:51] <rue_house> the machine also uses 2 ports, with 4 bits/motor
[15:54:01] <Tom_L> i wish i could be helping with the code but it's beyond what i can do presently
[15:54:25] <rue_house> I'm circling rewriting the origional code, I have an old version
[15:54:42] <Tom_L> you would laugh at some of it
[15:54:53] <rue_house> I'm also thinking about a new driver
[15:55:06] <rue_house> but one of the motors is a 5 wire, and I dont want to have to replace it
[15:55:23] <Tom_L> steppers are cheap
[15:55:31] <rue_house> I have about 100lbs of them
[15:55:37] <rue_house> I dont want to replace it
[15:56:21] <rue_house> things will spiral around the drain for a while, the first one that fits will likey be the winning
[15:56:25] <rue_house> winner..
[15:56:56] <Tom_L> have class today?
[15:57:07] <rue_house> but, int eh meantime, I have brensham code!
[15:57:15] <rue_house> there hans't been in quite a while,
[15:57:29] <rue_house> everyone forgot
[15:57:46] <rue_house> and I put down the hammer
[15:58:27] <rue_house> cold as it is to say, it wasn't achiving any of its objectives
[15:58:55] <Tom_L> how's jester on the cad cam?
[15:59:07] <Tom_L> never heard back to help install it
[15:59:18] <Tom_L> last i heard he got the error i was waiting for
[15:59:21] <rue_house> there are kids out there who would really like to get into it more, but their parents keep them so busy they have no time to do it
[15:59:29] <rue_house> he's not been back to finish
[15:59:40] <rue_house> he's not said much of anything
[15:59:46] <Tom_L> is the pc at your place?
[15:59:48] <rue_house> hasn't even given me any file updates
[15:59:58] <rue_house> there is one, he's got on at his too
[16:00:09] <rue_house> he's learning to do things
[16:00:21] <rue_house> I think this project made it kinda unfun for him
[16:00:30] <Tom_L> huh
[16:00:34] <Tom_L> how so?
[16:00:41] <rue_house> he took on a second job doing appliance repair now to
[16:00:49] <rue_house> pressure kills the fun
[16:00:50] <Tom_L> i heard about that
[16:01:05] <Tom_L> cad cam programmers are always under pressure
[16:01:24] <rue_house> yea, he's designing a little hexapod
[16:01:25] <Tom_L> the jobs we got, we got because they were late and needed them asap
[16:01:31] <rue_house> he wants to make it a kit for sale
[16:01:36] <Tom_L> nice
[16:01:45] <Tom_L> i could program it
[16:01:47] <rue_house> he might never get there, but he's had fun designing/printing it
[16:02:02] <Tom_L> nice alum parts...
[16:02:09] <Tom_L> learn to anodise
[16:02:13] <rue_house> hmm, my day is rapidly dissapearing
[16:02:18] <Tom_L> nice pretty alum parts
[16:02:26] <Tom_L> bored today
[16:02:39] <rue_house> tommorow will be a donut, I have a kids party to take "build a motor" kits to!
[16:02:40] <Tom_L> i'm sure kat's pissed at me
[16:02:50] <rue_house> me too, she's in that mood again
[16:03:08] <rue_house> I hope she dosn't destroy everything she's ever made
[16:05:15] <Tom_L> did you see the surface unwrap thing?
[16:06:05] <rue_shop3> yup
[16:06:30] <rue_shop3> jester has been playing with that for a while, back years ago he was designing sheet metal parts
[16:06:45] <Tom_L> this is a bit different but similar
[16:06:51] <rue_shop3> will yours turn just about anything into a metal plate?
[16:06:53] <Tom_L> it also has sheetmetal tools
[16:07:00] <Tom_L> what do you mean?
[16:07:13] <rue_shop3> I dont know how those programs work
[16:07:19] <Tom_L> which one?
[16:07:37] <Tom_L> catia has cad cam but i haven't learned all about it yet
[16:07:42] <rue_shop3> I just assume it takes a 3d object, and if it can, designs you a 2d template to fold it up
[16:07:50] <Tom_L> oh
[16:07:55] <Tom_L> the surface tool?
[16:08:05] <rue_shop3> no idea
[16:08:16] <Tom_L> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/cnc/temp/Drum_flange1.jpg
[16:08:24] <Tom_L> that's a special surface tool
[16:08:27] <rue_shop3> k
[16:08:37] <Tom_L> to make a flat pattern from a complex surface
[16:09:09] <Tom_L> or to project something onto it
[16:09:37] <rue_shop3> I wish I knew what kat were up to, these spools are about 2 hours ea, and I dont know if she wants them anymore
[16:09:59] <Tom_L> i made stuff i'm sure is just sitting around now
[16:10:07] <Tom_L> it made her smile for a bit
[16:10:14] <rue_shop3> yea
[16:10:19] <rue_shop3> then she freaked out
[16:10:46] <rue_shop3> and then she really freaked out
[16:11:42] <rue_shop3> I think she has a version of what I have
[16:11:55] <rue_shop3> I think shes freaked out at the notion of succeeding
[16:12:11] <Tom_L> i like success
[16:12:31] <Tom_L> i haven't touched the mill since i got rigid tapping working
[16:13:52] <rue_shop3> :)
[16:14:22] <Tom_L> not enough time to do anything useful really
[16:14:24] <rue_shop3> is it an actual tap, or is it a thread router bit that you spiral in?
[16:14:38] <Tom_L> it was a 10-24 tap
[16:14:47] <rue_shop3> k
[16:14:49] <Tom_L> or 8-32.. i forget
[16:15:03] <rue_shop3> is there a spindle encoder then? I dont remmeber
[16:15:11] <Tom_L> those single point bits are expensive
[16:15:17] <Tom_L> but it should do that too
[16:15:28] <Tom_L> has a spindle encoder yes
[16:15:33] <Tom_L> with an index
[16:15:37] <Tom_L> 3 channel
[16:15:46] <Tom_L> A B & Y
[16:15:48] <Tom_L> or whatever
[16:16:00] <rue_shop3> what reduction do you use?
[16:16:03] <rue_shop3> something high?
[16:16:07] <Tom_L> for what?
[16:16:12] <rue_shop3> tapping
[16:16:16] <Tom_L> none
[16:16:26] <Tom_L> that's why it tends to stall a bit
[16:16:26] <rue_shop3> 1:1?
[16:16:29] <rue_shop3> yea
[16:16:42] <Tom_L> until the PID gets too far behind then boosts the current up
[16:17:49] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g99lUtjLfMU&feature=youtu.be
[16:18:05] <Tom_L> you can see it kinda stick a bit
[16:18:25] <Tom_L> but it still follows the axis
[16:20:53] <Tom_L> the delay is partially the relay delays for switching to reverse and also the PID catching up
[16:21:11] <Tom_L> i set it so the relays will switch at near zero load
[16:26:14] <rue_shop3> yup
[16:26:47] <Tom_L> watched them on my logic analyser
[16:27:32] <Tom_L> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC6LrVxeqZk
[16:27:37] <Tom_L> interesting screw protectors
[16:34:55] <Jymmm> duct tape?
[16:49:11] <rue_shop3> cant do youtube on this machine
[16:49:21] <rue_shop3> possibly part of why I didn't catch kats link
[17:58:07] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: Can you tell me about your blower? squirrelcage? outlet diameter? CFM? WC? 110VAC? 12VDC? Variable speed?
[18:11:53] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: it's favorite color, flower, food?
[18:29:30] <Tom_L> no it was a strip of stainless foil rolled up on a shaft
[18:33:46] <rue_shop3> its a modified squirrel, with a motor from an electic scooter
[18:34:06] <rue_shop3> I use a multitap transformer in a binary step system to varry the speed
[18:34:22] <rue_shop3> custom pullies
[18:34:54] <rue_shop3> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1060892.jpg
[18:34:59] <rue_shop3> work backwards thru the dir
[18:35:04] <rue_shop3> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/
[18:35:23] * Tom_L offers rue_shop3 some fried chicken
[18:35:29] <Jymmm> Oh, so it's more like a "real" blower or dust collector
[18:36:49] <rue_shop3> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/ <---
[18:37:31] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: any idea on the CFM?
[18:37:33] <Tom_L> i've showed him those before
[18:38:15] <Jymmm> apx
[18:39:25] <rue_shop3> no
[18:40:09] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: Is it like a HVAC blower or more like an industrial one in respect to CFM/WC ?
[18:40:22] <Tom_L> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1060874.jpg
[18:40:28] <Tom_L> hah rue_shop3
[18:40:38] <rue_shop3> you will find the images of everything
[18:40:45] <rue_shop3> keep going thru
[18:40:46] <Tom_L> what did you use, sand?
[18:40:53] <rue_shop3> yea
[18:41:05] <Tom_L> gettin better at it..
[18:41:18] <Tom_L> at least you didn't set the yard on fire
[18:41:29] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: Yes, but they dont give me any indication of CFM/WC unforntuantly
[18:42:09] <Tom_L> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1050605.jpg
[18:42:12] <Tom_L> pretty well used up
[18:42:27] <rue_shop3> yea
[18:42:31] <rue_shop3> its brutal
[18:42:38] <rue_shop3> the new one has a sacraficial ring
[18:42:42] <rue_shop3> just cause of that
[18:42:44] <Jymmm> hair dryer? shop vac blowing? leaf blower? a hooker on free bj day?
[18:42:57] <rue_shop3> Jymmm, did you find the image of the whole blower?
[18:44:08] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: Over months I've looked at about 3/4 of them, but when there is no thimbnails, no descripion, and no captions, it's dofficult
[18:44:29] <Jymmm> difficult*
[18:47:17] <Tom_L> all the descriptions are here
[18:47:27] <Tom_L> i'm sure of it
[18:47:42] <Jymmm> where's "here"?
[18:47:46] <Tom_L> zlog
[18:47:52] <Tom_L> pages of em
[18:47:56] <Tom_L> you may have to dig a bit
[18:48:52] <Jymmm> and associate them to the images how?
[18:49:18] <Tom_L> alot of time he'll post a pic along with the description as he's doing it
[18:49:39] <Tom_L> i can see the frustration though
[18:49:54] <Tom_L> i've followed along from the first testing
[18:51:01] <Jymmm> Not frustrating, as it's just way too impractifal to attempt to associate pages (years?) of logs to theri assocaited images.
[18:51:15] <Tom_L> yeah i suppose
[18:51:34] <Jymmm> 272 images
[18:53:36] <Jymmm> there's a blk blower, heh the motor is almost as big as it is
[18:57:13] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: Is the black blower been repainted to red link you linked me to, or are they different?
[19:19:57] <rue_shop3> fire me a link
[19:24:17] <Jymmm> p1030727
[19:25:04] <Jymmm> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1030727.jpg
[19:25:51] <Jymmm> looks like a repaint of the one you linked me to
http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/p1060892.jpg
[19:25:52] <rue_shop3> thats the final blower
[19:25:58] <rue_shop3> same one
[19:26:09] <rue_shop3> yes, painted with anti-oxide paint
[19:26:20] <Jymmm> Ok, so was repainted, thught they might have been different.
[19:26:24] <rue_shop3> gets hot, gets rusty
[19:26:45] <Jymmm> Found the specs for the blower then...
https://www.grainger.com/product/DAYTON-Rectangular-OEM-Blower-4C830
[19:33:14] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: PLESSE tell me this was just a test blower
http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/dscn0234.jpg
[19:37:05] <Tom_L> iirc that was one if not _the_ first test heaters
[19:37:17] <Tom_L> maybe #2
[19:37:21] <rue_shop3> same one
[19:37:39] <rue_shop3> the mtoor was changed and the stuff was taken off
[19:37:49] <rue_shop3> ... I think
[19:37:58] <rue_shop3> couldn't have
[19:38:04] <rue_shop3> I didn't paint that other one black
[19:45:53] <rue_shop3> the black one did have a motor on it like that tho, you will see the images of me changing it to what it is now
[20:10:10] <rue_shop3> Jymmm, chains are LOUD
[20:10:21] <rue_shop3> the belt upgrade was mostly to qieten it
[20:12:53] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: Heh, ok, makes sense
[20:16:31] <rue_shop3> side issue was the chain flipping off during large speed changes
[20:17:44] <Jymmm> I don't *think* I'll use a "blower". I want to try and use 12VDC as we can get power outages up here.
[20:18:04] <Jymmm> I think the longest one (years ago) was 8 days.
[20:20:53] <rue_shop3> tahts why the new one is supposed to have a flash coil, steam engine to run it
[20:23:39] <Jymmm> I figure a marine battery ( I already have) should do the trick for the most part
[20:24:33] <Jymmm> I have SHITTONS of muffin fans, might try and ganging them up in some make-shift manifold
[20:36:50] <rue_shop3> using positive pressure?
[20:36:58] <rue_shop3> I use negitive pressure cause it works better
[20:37:03] <rue_shop3> I dont know why it works better
[20:37:10] <rue_shop3> its significant
[20:37:35] <Jymmm> to increase combustion?
[20:37:58] <rue_shop3> yea
[20:38:26] <Jymmm> That would mean the blower was attached to the exaust, no?
[20:42:20] <rue_shop3> after the exchanger, yea
[20:44:06] <Jymmm> Oh, I mean in the firebox itself.
[20:44:25] <Jymmm> Isn't that the computer controller blower you were mentioning?
[20:47:33] <rue_shop3> yea
[20:47:40] <rue_shop3> in the images you will see the relay bo
[20:47:41] <rue_shop3> x
[20:47:49] <rue_shop3> with the transformer for powering it
[20:48:33] <rue_shop3> you will also a larger relay box, (16 relays) which is operated by a set of 74595's on a parallel port
[20:49:03] <Jymmm> Yeah, saw that. I also saw TWO blower being used; one on the firebox and one on the exchanger.
[21:01:19] <rue_shop3> ?
[21:01:21] <rue_shop3> which image?
[21:01:48] <rue_shop3> I have a little hand blower I try to use to start it clean sometimes
[21:06:53] <Jymmm> The red/black one we were talking about, doesn't that one increase the combustion of the firebox?
[21:10:25] <rue_shop3> its the only
[21:10:35] <rue_shop3> it is the run/stop of the fire
[21:11:00] <Jymmm> Then whats the one on top of the heat exchangers?
[21:11:12] <rue_shop3> thats the fan
[21:11:17] <rue_shop3> it pulls from the exchanger
[21:11:39] <Jymmm> to the outdoors? (I didn't see anything connected to the flex pipe)
[21:12:08] <rue_shop3> flex pipe?
[21:13:45] <Jymmm> http://ruemohr.org/~ircjunk/projects/heatplant/dscn6061.jpg
[21:14:00] <rue_shop3> hah, OLD
[21:14:05] <rue_shop3> that blower is the only one
[21:14:13] <rue_shop3> the other tower is all fire
[21:14:32] <rue_shop3> that was a great exchanger, it froze and became a sprinkler
[21:15:10] <Jymmm> OH... so you are sucking DOWN thru the heat tower, across and upin-between the exchangers, out thru the blower?
[21:16:08] <rue_shop3> in the new one, it comes up
[21:16:21] <rue_shop3> between the layers
[21:16:35] <rue_shop3> there were a number of errors in that design
[21:24:42] <Jymmm> Thought I'd try my hand at heat pipes, but not at $746/kg
[21:32:28] <rue_shop3> heat pipese?
[21:33:18] <rue_shop3> damnit, I'm gonna have to make a keyboard
[21:33:32] <Jymmm> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat_pipe
[21:33:34] <rue_shop3> keyboards that aren't crap dont go more than 3 years before they are
[21:33:42] <Jymmm> Model M
[21:33:43] <rue_shop3> oooh
[21:33:49] <rue_shop3> you just use propane
[21:34:11] <rue_shop3> or , dpeneding on your temp range, anything that boils off within the schmitt
[21:34:12] <Jymmm> whats the temp range of propane?
[21:34:25] <rue_shop3> look at the phase chart
[21:34:33] <Jymmm> They are saying INDIUM
[21:34:43] <Jymmm> 2000-3000K
[21:35:01] <Jymmm> which is $746/kg =)
[21:35:04] <rue_shop3> ooo never cut open a heat pipe beofre
[21:36:10] <Jymmm> They are saying SILVER
http://www.thermacore.com/thermal-basics/heat-pipe-technology.aspx
[21:36:26] <rue_shop3> propane works ~100c
[21:36:51] <Jymmm> to 2000F ?
[21:37:09] <rue_shop3> whats 2000F?
[21:37:17] <Jymmm> firebox
[21:37:19] <rue_shop3> 200c?
[21:37:28] <rue_shop3> firebox is 1300c
[21:37:31] <Jymmm> with major safety buffer
[21:37:55] <rue_shop3> your other idea is the right one
[21:38:09] <rue_shop3> run the fire hot, tap off the energy, not the heat
[21:38:25] <rue_shop3> pull all you want from the exhaust
[21:38:46] <Jymmm> yeah, the thermal mass? The issue I'm having is not ENOUGH thermal mass
[21:39:18] <Jymmm> I ALMOSt thought of burry it, but I need to figure out a way to isolate rain water from it
[21:39:35] <rue_shop3> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Free-shipping-100PCS-4-4-1-5mm-4x4x1-5mm-SMD-push-button-switch-microswitch-Tact-Switch/1853507660.html
[21:39:41] <Jymmm> and I dont have a tractor tyvm =)
[21:39:43] <rue_shop3> I wonder if those have enough tact for a good keyboard
[21:39:50] <Jymmm> Get a Model M
[21:40:02] <rue_shop3> (yea I know model M, its either $$$$ or converting from XT)
[21:40:24] <rue_shop3> I took one apart to realize it was capacitance
[21:40:26] <Jymmm> PS/2 okey?
[21:40:44] <rue_shop3> it blew into a bazillion peices and now lives in a bag in the back of the shop
[21:40:57] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-IBM-MODEL-M-42h1292-CLICKY-KEYBOARD-WITH-CORD-Buckling-spring-1995-/272450893888
[21:40:58] <rue_shop3> I can work with ps2
[21:41:19] <rue_shop3> May not ship to Canada - Read item description or contact seller for shipping options. | See details
[21:41:33] <rue_shop3> "seller dosn't know where canada is, go buy it from china"
[21:41:59] <rue_shop3> so, for $3 I can get those buttons
[21:42:39] <Jymmm> holy crap, they are in REAL demand now
[21:42:45] <rue_shop3> yea
[21:42:59] <rue_shop3> would you belive I have a cherry keyboard made in germany thats crap?
[21:43:01] <Jymmm> Shit, and I have one with a mouse in the middle of the kyd too
[21:43:10] <Jymmm> heh
[21:43:12] <rue_shop3> the keys are sticking/friction
[21:43:51] <Jymmm> ships to canada
http://www.ebay.ca/itm/NEW-IN-BOX-Vintage-IBM-Clicky-Clicking-Keyboard-Model-M-KB-461-w-Trackpoint2-/252606426683
[21:43:59] <Jymmm> oh crap, nm
[21:44:38] <Jymmm> I went from a Modle M to a Apple keyboard, LOVE IT!!!
[21:45:21] <Jymmm> http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Genuine-Apple-Ultra-Thin-Aluminum-Wired-Keyboard-A1243-English-US-Version-EN1-/222315135483
[21:45:47] <Jymmm> Then I get a silicon cover for it which I wash/replace every few years.
[21:48:55] <rue_shop3> lots of apple IIe keybaords
[21:49:02] <rue_shop3> bit short on keys tho
[21:49:07] <Jymmm> lol
[21:49:26] <rue_shop3> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/50pcs-lot-3D-printer-accessories-Makerbot-MK7-MK8-origin-limit-switch-touch-the-switch-angles/32357285613.html
[21:49:33] <Jymmm> Seriously though, check out the Apple Wired keyboard at the mall sometime
[21:49:58] <rue_shop3> ? I have lots of apple II keybaords
[21:50:01] <rue_shop3> seriously
[21:50:05] <rue_shop3> like 7 or 8
[21:50:09] <Jymmm> Not Apple2,
[21:50:12] <Jymmm> usb
[21:50:19] <rue_shop3> oh, I need a good keybaord
[21:50:26] <Jymmm> Yes,
[21:50:41] <rue_shop3> not an apple keyboard thats priced 20x what its worth
[21:51:01] <Jymmm> check it out. I went from a Model M that I used for 15 years to a Apple wired USB one
[21:51:21] <Jymmm> I've not have ANY issue with it for the last 8+ years
[21:51:36] <Jymmm> Even the letters are laser engraved on the buttons.
[21:52:03] <rue_shop3> I dont like apples layout
[21:52:12] <rue_shop3> thats part of the reason I want to cut my own
[21:52:25] <rue_shop3> I like my slash key \ there, and my
[21:52:27] <rue_shop3> enter there
[21:52:36] <rue_shop3> and my arrows here, here and there
[21:52:48] <rue_shop3> insert should be here
[21:52:55] <rue_shop3> and delete should be there
[21:53:07] <rue_shop3> no f****ing packing keys into a mono block
[21:53:29] <rue_shop3> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/50Pcs-12x12x7-3mm-12-12-7-3mm-Keyswitch-Tact-Switch-Microswitch-Button/32551066597.html
[21:53:32] <rue_shop3> I'm old
[21:53:49] <Jymmm> Fine...
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0051/3322/products/MF-assembly-168_1024x1024.jpeg?v=1286814426
[21:54:02] <rue_shop3> I use ctrl-insert and shift-insert when I feel like not hitting the new ctrl-c and ctrl-v keys
[21:54:16] * rue_shop3 thinks
[21:54:17] <Jymmm> you forgot shift-delete
[21:54:33] * rue_shop3 raises a brow
[21:54:44] <rue_shop3> choir.... go figure
[21:55:51] <Jymmm> or maybe it's ctrl-del, (cut)
[22:02:12] * rue_shop3 wonders how to make the most authentic typewriter keys he can
[22:02:33] <Jymmm> hit an antique store?
[22:02:57] <Jymmm> or google steampunk keyboard, lots of en out there
[22:03:37] <rue_shop3> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:491943
[22:03:57] <rue_shop3> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1849140
[22:04:29] <rue_shop3> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:1217808
[22:06:03] <rue_shop3> man low-poly renders bother me
[22:06:08] <Jymmm> the corona looks nice
[22:08:07] <rue_shop3> http://www.vintagetypewritershoppe.com/i/TYPEWRITERS2222/P5031207.JPG
[22:08:13] <rue_shop3> I wonder if that angle would be a pain
[22:08:38] <rue_shop3> then again, an apple II has lots of slope too
[22:09:22] <rue_shop3> that spacing would drive me crazy tho
[22:09:59] <rue_shop3> wow, no 1
[22:11:55] <rue_shop3> http://imgs.inkfrog.com/pix/UncleDearest/huge_assortment_of_vintage_typewriter_keys.jpg
[22:11:59] <rue_shop3> #@$%#$%&@@%&^#%**@@
[22:13:00] <rue_shop3> I cant tell if all the key arms to back to the same shaft
[22:21:40] <rue_shop3> http://www.omerohome.com/sites/default/files/products/antique-typewriter-underwood_4.jpg
[22:21:52] <rue_shop3> they go back really far
[22:22:52] <Jymmm> it might be a pivot point and two different boards.
[22:25:24] <Jymmm> bars*
[22:25:37] <rue_shop3> they use slots to keep the keys up
[22:30:45] <Jymmm> Helium has a specific heat of 1.24 BTU/lb, is that as a gas I wonder?
[22:41:47] <rue_shop3> ok I got the serial code working
[22:41:50] <rue_shop3> thats step
[22:41:51] <rue_shop3> 1
[22:42:01] <rue_shop3> next is to get the 5934 working
[22:48:47] <rue_shop3> force feedback, step 2, get the pwm working
[22:56:43] <Jymmm> feedback keyboard?
[23:16:16] <rue_shop3> no
[23:16:19] <rue_shop3> robotics
[23:16:42] <rue_shop3> before all this cnc junk and paint sprayers, I was working on the core for the force feedback systems I need to take over the world
[23:16:53] <rue_shop3> I worked it all out, but need to get hardware going to test
[23:17:03] <rue_shop3> if this stuff works, I can force feedback anything
[23:17:28] <rue_shop3> electric drive, hydraulic drive, pneumatic drive
[23:17:36] <rue_shop3> hell, electrostatic drive
[23:19:42] <Jymmm> OR... you could just make outlandish remarks and become Pres of USA (same diff)
[23:20:03] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: how much land are you on?
[23:20:28] <Jymmm> and do you have a tractor ?
[23:24:25] <rue_shop3> just over 1/2 acre
[23:24:30] <rue_shop3> no tractor...
[23:24:41] <rue_shop3> unless the handtractor and lawn tractor count
[23:24:50] <rue_shop3> but basically, no
[23:25:41] <rue_shop3> hmm, what to do with the old cnc machine
