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[00:00:06] <katsmeow> ouch
[00:00:09] <rue_shop3> na
[00:00:28] <rue_shop3> I'll get more done on thursday, or tommorow, cant remmeber what I planned
[00:00:40] <katsmeow> melt it down with mirrors to make 3D printer ribbon?
[00:00:48] <rue_shop3> wednesday is for designing the projects for the kids thing on the weekend
[00:00:55] <rue_shop3> :)
[00:01:03] <rue_shop3> not set up for abs yet
[00:01:09] <Jymmm> I kinda like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJeesxSZ4jM
[00:03:26] <Jymmm> Im not sure why the space from 12" to 3" made a differeance in the draw though
[00:03:38] <Jymmm> less capacity?
[00:04:05] <katsmeow> why is so much email spam exactly 342k bytes?
[00:13:04] <Jymmm> including the envelope?
[00:14:43] <Jymmm> If someone annoyed me, I'd send them a one line email, but toss a 4gb file in the envelope =)
[00:14:49] <katsmeow> the whole thing sitting on the server, where i delete it without downloading it
[00:15:19] <Jymmm> maybe it a anti-spamassin thing
[00:16:02] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: Oh, the soup can is toast btw. it's as soft as an empty aluminum soda can now =)
[00:16:51] <katsmeow> as lettle as the can is, praps it's worth getting it in titanium
[00:16:54] <rue_shop3> but did it flake apart into black oxides
[00:17:17] <rue_shop3> katsmeow, most email spam has an attachment
[00:17:24] <rue_shop3> which as you recall, you cannot access
[00:17:24] <Jymmm> It still had some integrifty, could hold water, but yes it did.
[00:17:29] <rue_shop3> the attachments are viri
[00:17:45] <rue_shop3> under the guise of word, excel, or web documents
[00:18:23] <Jymmm> katsmeow: It was really a test of perlite insulating and what I had on hand.
[00:18:47] <katsmeow> rue, so why the same size?
[00:18:58] <Jymmm> When the salt cooled to 600F, the outside was 72F
[00:19:46] <katsmeow> Jymmm , what was your goal?
[00:20:12] <Jymmm> katsmeow: 2016-11-14.21:49:56 Jymmm: katsmeow: It was really a test of perlite insulating
[00:20:50] <katsmeow> oh, thanks for clearing that for me
[00:21:15] <Jymmm> If I have a firebox outdoors, I dont want a branch or leaves to fall on it and start a fire.
[00:21:54] <katsmeow> small metal tent over it
[00:22:39] <Jymmm> animals too. the wld peacocks were getting curious today and I had to shoo them away from the molten salt =)
[00:22:44] <Jymmm> wild*
[00:23:45] <Jymmm> plus, to me, that's escaping heat, which I want to have stored in the thermal mass instead.
[00:24:03] <rue_shop3> katsmeow, maybe its the same one, or a block size thing
[00:24:28] <rue_shop3> post bedtime, gnight
[00:24:43] <katsmeow> gnites
[00:26:50] <Jymmm> Better pic
http://i.imgur.com/4pE7MSA.jpg
[00:29:02] <katsmeow> what is your heat source ?
[00:35:52] <Jymmm> I used a propane torch
[00:36:20] <katsmeow> damned hot for propane
[00:36:39] <Jymmm> It took a LONG time to get there
[00:36:48] * katsmeow uses propane-O2, which will melt steel, but not much of it
[00:37:14] <Jymmm> I wish I had an oxy-propane torch
[00:38:17] <katsmeow> make an electric-arc furnace with a plasma cutter for power?
[00:38:40] <katsmeow> how-to diy on youtubes
[00:39:05] <Jymmm> It would be a want, not a need =)
[00:40:18] * katsmeow needs to goto bed before faceplanting
[00:41:29] <katsmeow> gnites
[09:43:10] <Jymmmm> rue_shop3: Specific heat: Hydrogen: 14304 (but probably not something I'd want near a firebox ;), Helium: 5193 (that could be interesting, but not practical), Silicon: 705 (not as high as I expected it to be), Salt, NaCl: 880, Sand, quartz: 830, Ammonia, liquid: 4700 (Eh, let's add some bleach to that...not!), Paraffin wax: 3260 (We have something here), Gypsum: 1090 (melting point 2660F/1460C, cheap, available)
[09:45:19] <rue_house> told ya hydrogen was the highest
[09:46:04] <Jymmmm> oh I believed you, I was confusiong silicon as the 2nd most abundantant substance with it being the 2nd most specific heat after H.
[09:46:22] <rue_house> then whats water come in at?
[09:47:20] <Jymmmm> water@ 20c: 4182
[09:48:13] <rue_house> but if you run wax thru a state change its a lot higher
[09:48:59] <Jymmmm> By "state change" you mena it stores when melting, release when cooling?
[09:49:17] <rue_house> yea
[09:49:44] <Jymmmm> Yeah, I was thinking gypsum as the inner envelope, and parrafin as the outter envelope
[09:49:47] <rue_house> a phase change makes the specific heat look huge
[09:50:22] <Jymmmm> I need to lookup the CoE of parrafin, and I have a source for 50lb cases of it too
[09:50:56] <rue_house> you can play with the melting temp by mixing different waxes
[09:51:16] <rue_house> for my system I'd go about 75c iirc
[09:51:34] <Jymmmm> I can order the wax based on characteristic, no problem. even have a 30,000 gallon tanker deliver the stuff
[09:52:02] <rue_house> what are you using it for again?
[09:52:17] <Jymmmm> thermp mass storage
[09:52:25] <rue_house> yea, for house heat?
[09:52:53] <Jymmmm> Well, start with garage as a test, and leave froom for expantion for the house
[09:53:08] <Jymmmm> room*
[09:53:27] <rue_house> so even 75c would do for a state change temp
[09:54:22] <rue_house> the design I'm interested in is a tank of pingpong balls mostly filled with wax (room for thermal expansion)
[09:54:28] <rue_house> lots of surface area
[09:56:04] <Jymmmm> Sp far (still working on the idea), have a rocket stove like firebox in the center (for FULL/fast combustion), maybe gypsum as the next outter envelope (to transition from the high/lo heat), then parrafin as the next outter envelope (mixed with copper/ss coils to distrubute via water/coolant )
[09:57:29] <rue_house> with insulation around that?
[09:57:51] <Jymmmm> Of soem sort, maybe perlite, or soemthing else, yes.
[09:58:06] <rue_house> do your know the conductivity of the gypsum?
[09:59:51] <rue_house> I have to put up 58 feet of scaffold today to change a smoke detector in a church, wish me luck...
[10:00:35] <Jymmmm> Gypsum: specific heat: 1090, melting point: 2660F, Thermal conductivity: 0.17 (gold is 310)
[10:00:47] <Jymmmm> 58ft?! ouch
[10:01:06] <Jymmmm> "A", as in ONE????
[10:01:06] <rue_house> its not the fall that kills you, its the sudden stop
[10:01:26] <rue_house> yea
[10:01:32] <rue_house> it'll take all day
[10:01:33] <Jymmmm> I'mnot afraid of heights, I'm not afraid of falling, it's the landing that scares the shit out of me =)
[10:01:59] <Jymmmm> why not get a scissor lift instead?
[10:02:03] <rue_house> I latch up at about 20 feet
[10:02:09] <rue_house> it cant go that high
[10:02:42] <Jymmmm> Why not just have the battery remote, like at ground level?
[10:02:54] <rue_house> its not battery operated, it failed
[10:03:09] <Jymmmm> oh geeeze, you poor bastard!
[10:03:25] <rue_house> during construction, it was part of a faulty/recalled batch, they never changed it
[10:03:44] <Jymmmm> lovely
[10:05:24] <Jymmmm> I realize gypsum has a poor thermal conduction, but the heat HAS to (eventually) pass thru it to the wax, this is where I'm thinking is to my advantage as then the wax (shouldn't) get to ignition point.
[10:05:41] <rue_house> yea, you ned an insulator to make the temp diff,
[10:05:47] <rue_house> the power will get thru
[10:06:14] <rue_house> I was asking cause I was wondering about the area needed to conduct the power from the fire at the lower temp
[10:06:47] <Jymmmm> Yeah, I'll just need to figure out thinknesses, etc.
[10:06:51] <rue_house> you need the firebox to stay 800c range iirc
[10:06:59] <rue_house> fire is about 1300c
[10:07:29] <Jymmmm> why the 800c? for full combustion?
[10:07:39] <rue_house> keep the carbon off
[10:07:46] <Jymmmm> gotcha
[10:07:50] <rue_house> if the walls are cold they just collect carbon
[10:09:00] <Jymmmm> I read the a rocket mass heater cna retain/emmit for up to 30 hours, but that is a MUCH larger mass than what I'm looking at.
[10:09:22] <rue_house> I designed mine to pull all the heat from the fire out of the exhaust
[10:09:32] <rue_house> which is a partial error, 90% of the heat from a fire is IR light
[10:09:59] <rue_house> bye!
[10:09:59] <Jymmmm> ah, good old radiation =)
[10:10:05] <Jymmmm> good luck!
[10:21:10] <Jymmm> rue_house: You might consider installing TWO alarms, while you're up there that is.
[11:10:44] <Tom_itx> rue_house, package delivery scheduled for today
[13:59:04] <Jymmm> Tom_L: HE's out playing 50 feet in the air today.
[15:30:16] <Tom_L> up around the thin oxygen
[15:30:32] <Tom_L> nice n warm up there too i bet
[16:49:15] <Jymmm> once he installs all the scaffolding, I think he'll already be all warmed up
[16:59:42] <Tom_L> that's about 3 tiers i think
[16:59:49] <Tom_L> maybe 4
[19:00:34] <rue_house> wasn't as high as they said
[19:00:37] <rue_house> but its a good thing
[19:01:28] <Tom_L> rue_house
[19:01:42] <Tom_L> should i rebox this smaller or send it as is?
[19:01:56] <Tom_L> lots of padding makes the box bigger
[19:07:45] <Tom_L> is 'hobby engravers' an accurate description?
[19:08:47] <Tom_L> damn, i haven't filled one of these out in a long time...
[19:10:56] <rue_house> it can take a beating, repack er
[19:11:11] <Tom_L> 2022 still?
[19:11:13] <rue_house> just say hobby parts, china always does
[19:11:15] <rue_house> yuppers
[19:11:18] <Tom_L> got it
[19:11:24] <Tom_L> i'll get it out tomorrow sometime
[19:11:34] <Tom_L> 'gift'
[19:11:36] <Tom_L> $10
[19:13:20] <rue_house> ok, I dont know what the difference oweing is
[19:13:46] <rue_house> what was the bottom line on the bit?
[19:16:13] <Tom_L> 28
[19:16:35] <Tom_L> i haven't shipped in a long time but it should cover it
[19:17:50] <rue_house> ok
[19:18:06] <rue_house> :) pack it with some of those things you didn't want :)
[19:18:06] <Tom_L> i'll find out tomorrow
[19:18:17] <Tom_L> like what do you want?
[19:18:36] <Tom_L> that would cost too much...
[19:18:44] <rue_house> I have stufflust, anything will satisfy some inflicted with stufflust
[19:18:46] <Tom_L> probably 50lb or more
[19:18:47] <rue_house> fine
[19:18:51] <rue_house> all good them
[19:19:14] <Tom_L> i'll see what box i can find
[19:19:29] <Tom_L> this box is about 3x too big
[19:26:34] <rue_house> np
[19:26:50] <rue_house> the bit is fine
[19:32:23] <Tom_L> looking for a box.. i cleaned house :(
[19:32:55] <rue_shop3> hah, cerial box
[19:37:09] <Jymmm> lots of duct tape
[19:37:14] <Jymmm> no box needed then
[19:37:49] <Tom_L> that's how the chinamen do it
[19:40:17] <rue_shop3> eeevil taped bubblewrap
[19:40:53] <Jymmm> Eeeesh, everyone is calling anything that looks like an 'L' a rocket stove, they are completely missing the point of pre-heating the intake air and it's annoying as f*ck when you are looking for ideas/concepts.
[19:41:12] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: Yeah, you can NEVER find the beginning of the tape either!
[19:41:30] <rue_shop3> there is no beggining, there is no end
[19:41:44] <Jymmm> exactly... RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP!
[19:42:28] <Tom_L> rue_shop3, Jymmm is in a country (Ca.) where they gotta ship stuff in too
[19:42:52] <Jymmm> s/ship/smuggle/
[19:43:17] <rue_shop3> amazon.usa cost: $15, amazon.ca cost: $90
[19:43:20] <rue_shop3> WTF!?
[19:43:50] <rue_shop3> and I CANT find it in china, china just dosn't do imperial sized things
[19:44:20] <Jymmm> RESTRICTED: cant ship to Calif or Washington, and canceled my order
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/product/index/hq-issue-outdoor-wood-stove?a=1884248
[19:44:56] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: what are you looking for?
[19:45:16] <rue_shop3> its a 19/32 straight router but with a 1/4" shank
[19:45:25] <rue_shop3> REALLY hard to find
[19:45:39] <rue_shop3> everyone is into 1/2" shanks these days
[19:45:49] <rue_shop3> and my ole sears router cant do that
[19:46:14] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: why that specific size? I thought you had a cnc router?
[19:46:35] <rue_shop3> router is too slow for this, its just a slot I need
[19:46:40] <rue_shop3> er cnc
[19:47:13] <Jymmm> so you are trying to fit in something that's 5/8" ?
[19:47:24] <rue_shop3> nope, 15mm
[19:47:28] <rue_shop3> aka 19/32
[19:48:33] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: Next time, try 15mm =) and I LOVE CMT bits...
http://www.mikestools.com/812-150-11-CMT-Straight-Bit-Long-Series-15-mm-diameter-1-4-shank.aspx
[19:49:15] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: google "812.150.11"
[19:49:15] <rue_shop3> Tom_L, we got a kit of 5? bits?
[19:49:24] <rue_shop3> for $15 usd?
[19:49:48] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: $15 USD
https://www.amazon.com/CMT-812-150-11-Straight-4-Inch-Diameter/dp/B001NIC812
[19:50:10] <rue_shop3> Jymmm, a) either thats not 15mm wide, b) image is off, c)??!?!!
[19:50:28] <rue_shop3> yea, we got a kit of them iirc
[19:50:34] <rue_shop3> all different sizes
[19:50:46] <rue_shop3> I can break them cutting all sorts of aluminum
[19:51:07] <rue_shop3> Jymmm, still wrong image
[19:51:10] <rue_shop3> severly wrong
[19:51:14] <Jymmm> rue_shop3:
http://www.routerbitworld.com/PhotoDetails.asp?ShowDesc=N&PhotoURL=http%3A//images.timberlinetools.com/CMT-Catalog-Page39.jpg
[19:51:16] <rue_shop3> which makes me not want to buy
[19:51:23] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: CMT 812.150.11
[19:51:53] <rue_shop3> yup
[19:51:59] <rue_shop3> I agree
[19:52:07] <rue_shop3> and its probably a good bit
[19:52:17] <rue_shop3> that will break just the same as the cheap one I got
[19:52:22] <rue_shop3> :)
[19:52:40] <Jymmm> Hey, you're the one that wanted 1/4" shank =)
[19:52:53] <rue_shop3> no, the sears router wants it
[19:53:26] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: You know the firebox you have outside? I think you should introduce your sears router to it =)
[19:54:15] <Jymmm> I have a sears router too, but it's really a rebranded Bosch
[19:54:42] <Jymmm> It came with 1/4 and 1/2 collets, but I needed 3/8 which sears doesn't sell, but Bosch does =)
[19:55:18] <rue_shop3> hmm
[19:55:28] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: did you say your cutting aluminum slot?
[19:55:39] <rue_shop3> I think this sears router would shrug off being thru the fire, thats why I like it
[19:55:42] <rue_shop3> yea
[19:56:06] <Jymmm> Hmmm, hang on then...
[19:56:06] <rue_shop3> call me ********ing insane
[19:56:17] <rue_shop3> no special bits, just carbide wood bits
[19:56:18] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: you're fucking insane =)
[19:56:34] * rue_shop3 nods
[19:57:49] <Jymmm> you want solid carbide instead?
[19:58:16] <rue_shop3> na, I expect to break 2 bits before I figure it out or give up
[19:58:57] <Jymmm> heh
[19:59:08] <Jymmm> is this just a one off?
[19:59:18] <rue_shop3> if were lucky, no
[19:59:26] <rue_shop3> its a dual goal
[19:59:33] <rue_shop3> stock the shop with more junk
[19:59:41] <rue_shop3> and maybe make 50 of these paint things
[20:00:05] <Jymmm> This is what I have, except it says craftsman on it
https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/combo-pack-routers-1617evspk-27718-p/
[20:00:16] <Jymmm> same wooden ball handles and everything
[20:01:18] <rue_shop3> why wood I wonder
[20:01:44] <Jymmm> fatigue maybe?
[20:01:59] <rue_shop3> motor is 1/2 or smaller of the size of my sears
[20:02:08] <rue_shop3> (sears 2x bigger)
[20:02:18] <Jymmm> but uses a 1/4?
[20:02:28] <rue_shop3> I'z surprised too
[20:02:35] <Jymmm> definition of irony there dont ya know =)
[20:02:47] <rue_shop3> yea
[20:02:51] <Tom_L> ok at least that box isn't the size of a car
[20:03:00] <rue_shop3> hahaha
[20:08:05] <Tom_L> i hope that's the right paperwork
[20:09:10] <Tom_L> all ready to go out tomorrow..
[20:17:49] <rue_shop3> thanks :)
[20:30:41] <Tom_L> i thought those arrived rather quick
[20:31:03] <Tom_L> i had one that wasn't due til the 17th arrive yesterday
[20:54:13] <Tom_L> haha, rue_shop3, they said yours wasn't coming until Nov. 18 - 23
[21:11:10] <rue_shop3> :)
[21:11:19] <rue_shop3> I always tell people to ignore the numbers
[22:05:43] <Jymmm> rue_shop3: "I cut it twice, and it's still too short!"
[22:07:00] <katsmeow> been there
[22:12:52] <Jymmm> katsmeow: That's why I have a board stretcher!!!
[23:07:32] <katsmeow> "Two Injured as Driverless Cars Fight Over Parking Space"
[23:10:41] <Jymmmm> who got injured? is that like robot version of butthurt?
[23:11:07] <katsmeow> (it was a joke news blurb)
[23:11:24] <Jymmmm> ah
[23:49:55] <katsmeow> i forgot to mention
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWVO25lgejs
[23:50:09] <katsmeow> skip to 9:40 first
[23:51:12] <katsmeow> then back up to 2:10 to see the "other one"
[23:51:48] <katsmeow> mute the audio !!
