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[21:01:25] <katsmeow> WOW
[21:01:49] <rue_house> wow?
[21:01:57] <rue_house> windows on windows?
[21:02:02] <katsmeow> i just did
[21:02:22] <rue_house> I wonder if running wow.exe on a linux windows emulator gives you a more completel version of windows
[21:02:25] <rue_house> on linux
[21:06:57] <katsmeow> so there's a airless paint sprayer on sale for $169
[21:07:47] <katsmeow> btw, i sent you and Tom email about mandrel
[21:08:52] <rue_house> got it
[21:08:58] <katsmeow> i have assorted grinding stones for that super-dremel too
[21:12:16] <Tom_itx> fpm
[21:12:25] * Tom_itx shifts his fingers over
[21:12:30] <Tom_itx> i didn't get it
[21:13:07] <katsmeow> i wonder if i sent it to the wrong Tom
[21:13:27] <Tom_itx> i don't check them all
[21:13:30] <katsmeow> it didn't bounce, and no one relied
[21:15:12] <katsmeow> china sells a lot of 1.5" cutoff discs, alledgedly for the common dremel, using a looooooooooong 1/8 shaft
[21:15:18] <katsmeow> i find that dangerous
[21:15:37] <Tom_itx> yeah they vibrate bad enough the way it is
[21:15:51] <katsmeow> but i fond a 1/4 shaft for those disks, that fit the super dremel i have mentioned before
[21:16:28] <katsmeow> the trick the 1.5 disks is to not use a washer under the strew, you need whatever shoulder is left on the screw to center the disk
[21:18:02] <katsmeow> the super dremel, whatever HF calls it, has all the fittings the real Dremel(tm) has, but in grownup sizes
[21:26:20] <katsmeow> so what RAID version should i use on two drives?
[21:27:24] <Tom_itx> i've no clue
[21:31:34] <rue_shop3> I use mirror
[21:31:39] <rue_shop3> raid 2
[21:31:47] <rue_shop3> raid 1 is just append
[21:31:56] <rue_shop3> not redundant
[21:32:01] <rue_shop3> wait
[21:32:04] <rue_shop3> I'm off
[21:32:14] <rue_shop3> raid 0 is append, 1 is mirror
[21:32:24] <rue_shop3> which is why 10 is mirrored appende
[21:32:25] <rue_shop3> d
[21:32:44] <rue_shop3> can I sleep here? its warmer
[21:32:54] <katsmeow> raid 5 : Rebuilding an array requires reading all data from all disks, opening a chance for a second drive failure and the loss of the entire array.[24] In August 2012, Dell posted an advisory against the use of RAID 5 in any configuration on Dell EqualLogic arrays and RAID 50 with "Class 2 7200 RPM drives of 1 TB and higher capacity" for business-critical data.
[21:33:16] <rue_shop3> 5 needs 3 disks min I think
[21:33:53] <rue_shop3> a raid array can have offline spares
[21:34:04] <rue_shop3> for automatically rebuilding if there is a fail
[21:34:05] <katsmeow> i was thinking using the 2 drives as duplicates, but reading off them as stripes
[21:34:29] <rue_shop3> raid 1 automatically splits reads over the two disks
[21:34:36] <rue_shop3> fast on reading, slower on writing
[21:34:54] <katsmeow> cache the reads
[21:34:56] <katsmeow> err
[21:35:00] <katsmeow> cache the writes
[21:35:15] <rue_shop3> root@MorphatronIII:~# cat /proc/mdstat
[21:35:15] <rue_shop3> Personalities : [raid1]
[21:35:15] <rue_shop3> md0 : active raid1 sda1[0] sdb1[2]
[21:35:15] <rue_shop3> 188754590 blocks super 1.2 [2/2] [UU]
[21:35:17] <katsmeow> take it out of the computers hands
[21:36:23] <rue_shop3> I'm talking media transfer, linux uses all spare memory as disk cache
[21:36:28] <rue_shop3> casue its quickly disposable
[21:36:37] <rue_shop3> root@blackie2:/files/Installs/linux/reprap# free
[21:36:37] <rue_shop3> total used free shared buffers cached
[21:36:37] <rue_shop3> Mem: 3106464 2754536 351928 0 185532 916948
[21:36:37] <rue_shop3> -/+ buffers/cache: 1652056 1454408
[21:36:37] <rue_shop3> Swap: 0 0 0
[21:36:47] <rue_shop3> the buffers/cache is all file space
[21:37:04] <katsmeow> why does wikipedia say that in ther eal world, RAID 1 read is still lsower than the fastest drive?
[21:37:18] <rue_shop3> so right now, its got 1.6G of drive stuff in ram
[21:37:34] <rue_shop3> dunno
[21:37:45] <rue_shop3> I can split a raid array over multiple machines on my network
[21:38:12] <rue_shop3> I been thinking about booting off usb disks, and using a partitioned array split over the whole network
[21:38:13] <Tom_itx> that sounds even less reliable
[21:38:20] <rue_shop3> that way, no 1 machine is ever lost
[21:38:49] <rue_shop3> I have one raid 5/etc array split over the 12 machines on the network
[21:38:49] <Tom_itx> i ordered a usb enclosure for disks the other day
[21:38:49] <Tom_itx> $8
[21:39:06] <Tom_itx> you can get cheap plastic ones for less though
[21:39:08] <rue_shop3> sata?
[21:39:14] <Tom_itx> uh huh
[21:39:35] <rue_shop3> so, if I split the computers like that, I'd never have to reinstall a machine
[21:39:53] <rue_shop3> because of a drive loss
[21:40:06] <rue_shop3> if a machine was off, it would just rebuild the data on the fly
[21:40:16] <Tom_L> http://www.ebay.com/itm/400972415164?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[21:40:22] <rue_shop3> when the machine cam back up, it'd resync it
[21:40:38] <Tom_itx> i'd rather just keep backup disks
[21:41:12] <katsmeow> http://www.ebay.com/itm/400972415164
[21:41:18] <rue_shop3> you know what I like about cute flash drives? they are usually on sale really cheap to get rid of them
[21:41:54] <Tom_itx> flash drives?
[21:42:05] <Tom_itx> those are empty cases
[21:42:09] <Tom_itx> you put a drive in
[21:42:12] <rue_shop3> I know
[21:42:22] <rue_shop3> I was talking about the ad on the side pane
[21:42:24] <rue_shop3> paid
[21:42:26] <rue_shop3> pain
[21:42:26] <Tom_itx> more because they're aluminum
[21:42:27] <katsmeow> Item location:
[21:42:28] <rue_shop3> sdksdfljasdfklsadklfj
[21:42:37] <katsmeow> what ad?
[21:42:59] <rue_shop3> srry, maybe javascript is back on
[21:43:42] <katsmeow> drawing power from the connected USB device (you will need two open USB ports to power the device).
[21:44:25] <rue_shop3> kat, ever get the feeling toxins might be zapping your energy?
[21:44:36] <rue_shop3> welding fumes/ lead/...
[21:45:10] <katsmeow> lead? you mean from chewing solder like it wa s ch ewi ng g um ?
[21:45:24] <Tom_itx> rue_shop3, it's not that... you don't eat right
[21:45:48] <rue_shop3> no, I stopped doing that a LONG time ago, just from petting pcb's at night till you fall sleep
[21:45:58] <rue_shop3> ^kat
[21:46:36] <katsmeow> i figure it's from the trash fires,, known to cause brain/lung cancer
[21:49:33] <katsmeow> http://www.harborfreight.com/airless-paint-sprayer-kit-60600.html
[21:50:16] <katsmeow> something to put paint on furiously fast, on the roof, the ceiling, the boat
[21:50:31] <katsmeow> $169 on thursday
[21:50:39] <katsmeow> still sounds pricey to me
[21:51:37] <katsmeow> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=content+addressable&sourceid=Mozilla-search
[21:53:11] <katsmeow> the system content-addressable, as opposed to location-addressable. The hashes of the objects (key) are mapped to the physical addresses using hash tables <<== sounds like doing math before you look in a regular disk FAT
[21:56:41] <rue_house> I'm gonna go get sour cream and salsa so I can make burritos and be up all night with an upset stomach
[21:56:49] <rue_house> its not a good plan, but its a plan
[22:00:03] <katsmeow> hmm, it is a plan, but it falla apart as son as you do it
[22:00:09] <katsmeow> umm
[22:00:17] <katsmeow> hmm, it is a plan, but it falls apart as soon as you do it
[22:00:41] <katsmeow> you want to be part of a plan that falls apart so soon?
[22:07:16] <katsmeow> TDS is a fundamental part of human language and cognitive processing. Arguably, every word or utterance a person hears, for example, and everything they see or feel and take note of, results in a very brief trance while TDS is carried out to establish a contextual meaning for it.
[22:07:56] <katsmeow> Examples
[22:16:02] <katsmeow> This induction works because shaking hands is one of the actions learned and operated as a single "chunk" of behavior; tying shoelaces is another classic example. If the behavior is diverted or frozen midway, the person literally has no mental space for this - he is stopped in the middle of unconsciously executing a behavior that hasn't got a "middle".
[22:16:18] <katsmeow> The mind responds by suspending itself in trance until either something happens to give a new direction, or it "snaps out". A skilled hypnotist can often use that momentary confusion and suspension of normal processes to induce trance quickly and easily. ???
[22:17:12] <katsmeow> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_H._Erickson#Handshake_induction
[22:34:34] <rue_house> its interesting having a brain that autocorrects, someone says something twice, and you have to look real hard to know why
[22:37:06] <katsmeow> or poeple who use PA systems, they say the number the first time wrong, because they are daydreaming about having to say it twice
[23:05:06] <katsmeow> TOM , where can i get 4x8 sheets of stainless steel .020 thick?
[23:05:19] <katsmeow> and at what cost?
[23:07:33] <rue_house> HMM
[23:07:38] <rue_house> not .2 .02?
[23:10:13] <katsmeow> 20 thou
[23:11:21] <rue_house> I'd go for something rolled, a sheet would be a bit flimsy
[23:11:23] <rue_house> and sharp
[23:11:43] <rue_house> papercut to behead
[23:11:49] <katsmeow> i did have such plans for it
[23:12:34] <rue_house> 4x8 foots, right?
[23:13:10] <katsmeow> yeas
[23:13:48] <katsmeow> [22:25] <katsmeow> weld a pile of them into 8ftx40ft, loooooooooooong hinge down the 40ft edges to join two of them togther, take off truck, attach end caps with screws, inflate, and you have a 5ft dia 40ft pontoon
[23:13:48] <katsmeow> [22:26] <katsmeow> 25 tons floatation at 50% for two, not counting their own weight
[23:14:46] <rue_house> I want you to teach me how to weld 20 thou metal
[23:15:06] <rue_house> I'v gone all the way the other way, I can cut thru 1/4" using stick
[23:15:17] <rue_house> I have a bunch of jump sticks and do it all the time
[23:15:21] <rue_house> junk sticks
[23:16:02] <rue_house> burning thru thickens the edges of the hole/cut too
[23:16:05] <katsmeow> resistance welding
[23:16:16] <rue_house> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooo
[23:16:19] <rue_house> right
[23:16:33] <rue_house> damn, low current at 20 thou
[23:16:59] <rue_house> I'm pondering making a wire edm cutter
[23:17:35] <katsmeow> i have clamped thin sheet to 1/8 thick, burn a rod thru the thin and half nto the thick, give it a swirl, and leave it to cool, so far (yrs later) none have failed
[23:19:06] <rue_house> yep, I'm getting better at pushing puddles into thin material
[23:19:18] <rue_house> cant let the arc near it tho
[23:20:21] <katsmeow> you can if the arc is very short, and yuo are moving it fast
[23:20:37] <katsmeow> just a lil flick off the thick onto the thin
[23:20:57] <katsmeow> can't take any time tho, because you don';t want to leave blobs
[23:21:12] <rue_house> yea, I find its kinda just a matter of piling up molten metal and pushing it into the thin stuff
[23:21:21] <rue_house> 8|
[23:21:31] <rue_house> ok, different technique there...
[23:21:32] <katsmeow> you are faking "submerged welding" ?
[23:21:42] <rue_house> ... yes?
[23:21:51] <katsmeow> wow
[23:22:20] <katsmeow> i usually reduce current for thin stock too much to do that reliably
[23:22:39] <rue_house> I'm not too good at it yet
[23:22:55] <rue_house> most of the time I'm working on dirty metal and there is slag everywhere
[23:23:16] <rue_house> to the point I'm using the rod to flick it away as I'm welding
[23:23:38] <rue_house> using good rod on clean metal is a joy
[23:24:38] <katsmeow> why not grind it clean? neighbors get onto you about the noise?
[23:24:46] <rue_house> its only in the last year or two I'v slowed down when welding, let things get to the right heat and let the pools get the right size
[23:24:59] <rue_house> too much trouble for most of the things I do
[23:27:04] <katsmeow> i wonder how long a Heim joint would last in a drag-arm kinda universal
[23:32:09] <rue_house> *blink*
[23:32:37] <rue_house> I had a customer today that was completely computer illiterate
[23:32:59] <rue_house> and wanted the networking set up in their new pharmacy
[23:33:12] <rue_house> THAT was a hard conversation
[23:33:32] <katsmeow> why?
[23:33:59] <rue_house> they didn't have everything they needed, and they had a guy supply parts they didn't know what were
[23:34:23] <katsmeow> :-|
[23:34:24] <rue_house> oh, and they didn't speak english well
[23:34:47] <rue_house> I did get them the message that I'd get them fixed up
[23:54:02] <katsmeow> http://surpluscityliquidators.com/product_image/asp_scl/770x535/185938.jpg
[23:54:04] <katsmeow> found one
[23:54:08] <katsmeow> what's it called?
[23:54:27] <rue_house> seem 'em before, not sure
[23:54:51] <rue_house> its an impact softner...
[23:55:00] <rue_house> isn't it?
[23:55:05] <katsmeow> always called them "drag link couplers", but i don't know the real term for them
[23:55:12] <rue_house> ioh
[23:55:17] <rue_house> I will call them that
[23:55:21] <katsmeow> no, because they can be made with solid drag links too
[23:57:09] <katsmeow> the one i made yrs ago with red string used nylon cord as the drag between the wingnuts
