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[00:34:30] <katsmeow> .
[00:42:16] <katsmeow> oooo, this website says they have tracked my physical location , using my ip address, to within 937KM
[00:42:49] <katsmeow> 582 miles
[00:43:39] <katsmeow> i am somewhere in a circle of 582 miles radius (1160 miles diameter)
[00:48:17] <katsmeow> since greenland is an island and not a continent, is it also in North America ?
[00:51:02] <katsmeow> Though physiographically a part of the continent of North America, Greenland has been politically and culturally associated with Europe
[08:28:09] <Tom_itx> oh that hobbed thing. those are easy to make rue. With a tiny bit of calcs you can up your scrap rate to 0%
[08:28:46] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/reprap/drive5.jpg
[08:29:02] <Tom_itx> right was my first attemp, left was the 2nd one in SS
[08:29:41] <Tom_itx> just calc the root diameter to be an even divisor of the thread pitch
[08:32:59] <Tom_itx> i did the same as you but i had a fixture to hold the bolt in the tool holder
[08:33:13] <Tom_itx> 3mm tap on the one i did
[08:34:45] <Tom_itx> just make a fixture with 2 bearings the bold can slide down into from the vertical position. leave it loosely in the fixture and manually feed it into the tap holding it up so the ridge meets the tap centered
[08:34:49] <Tom_itx> easy peasy
[09:28:57] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Tool_Holder_Assembly.jpg
[09:29:00] <Tom_itx> see?
[09:30:07] <Tom_itx> turn the groove in the bolt first as you know
[09:30:42] <Tom_itx> making sure the ID of the groove is a pitch divisor of the tap
[09:31:16] <Tom_itx> but not too deep to slip
[09:31:43] <Tom_itx> (very technical guess)
[09:39:43] <Tom_itx> http://tom-itx.no-ip.biz:81/~webpage/rue/Tool_Holder_Assembly1.jpg
[10:29:49] <Tom_itx> make the root circumference a multiple of the pitch
[10:38:01] <rue_house> I thought I'd made a tool for it once, but I couldn't find anything
[10:39:32] <Tom_itx> it will work without the bearings but you'd need to lube it
[10:39:53] <Tom_itx> the key is the circumference thing
[10:43:05] <rue_house> I got one yesterday that was ok after cutting a round groove in it first, gave a bit more area for the tap to work on
[10:46:22] <Tom_itx> the groove should be the pitch diameter of the tap
[10:53:34] <rue_house> yup
[10:54:25] <Tom_itx> radius the outter edges with a file so not to cut the filament
[10:55:43] <rue_house> I'll sit down and make a few later
[10:58:29] <Tom_itx> put washers between the head and fixture so it centers the groove with the tap which will help prevent tap breakage
[10:58:38] <Tom_itx> or center it somehow
[10:59:12] <rue_house> my tap is pointed, I was thinking about a divit
[10:59:26] <Tom_itx> so the tap doesn't try to walk out of the groove
[10:59:54] <Tom_itx> don't feed the bolt horizontally into the end of the tap
[11:00:03] <Tom_itx> feed it into the side of the full tap
[11:00:12] <rue_house> thats whats worked so far
[11:00:40] <Tom_itx> you just need to keep the bolt from moving in the fixture
[11:00:48] <Tom_itx> 1st time out... will work
[11:01:24] <Tom_itx> if you used the bearings you could spin a nut on the end of the bolt loosely
[11:40:09] <rue_shop3> I'v got a number of bolts I tried to do without a groove first, the tap didn't make enough contact to turn the bolt enough for the next thread, and basically just milled right in
[11:45:08] <Tom_itx> trying to remove too much material without cutting the groove first
[11:45:31] <Tom_itx> make a U shaped tool the pitch diameter of the tap
[11:45:49] <Tom_itx> and plunge cut the groove to the desired circumference depth
[11:46:18] <Tom_itx> it's just simple math if you think about it
[12:58:50] <Tom_itx> rue_shop3, what does it mean when a legacy pc (P100) continuously beeps in bursts like beep beep beep beep beep beep.......
[12:58:52] <Tom_itx> never stops
[12:59:28] <Tom_itx> it's been in a box for a long time but it did boot the first time then just beeps
[12:59:47] <Tom_itx> i've reconnected everything including reseating ram & cards etc
[14:05:10] <rue_shop3> Tom_itx, something wrong in bios startup
[14:05:20] <rue_shop3> like ram or video problem
[14:05:59] <rue_shop3> yea, reseat the cards and do a bios reset (like take the battery out, short its leads for a min, reinsert and restart
[14:08:59] <Tom_itx> some of the newer hdd don't want to work in it
[14:09:08] <Tom_itx> no matter what i try
[14:09:22] <Tom_itx> i had one that had a jumper option to limit it's size
[14:16:47] <Tom_itx> but it will only boot as slave no matter what i do
[14:28:45] <rue_shop3> the drives work, but a board too old wont be able to access all of it with the bios calls
[14:29:13] <rue_shop3> I used a 200G drive on a P1 with linux for a long time
[14:32:03] <Tom_itx> pays to have the WD pdf for the drives
[14:32:24] <Tom_itx> it said if the hdd is over 2g and won't boot add a 2nd jumper to the back and now it boots
[14:33:10] <Tom_itx> gives examples of 1 jumper config and 2 jumper config for master or slave or with other devices present on the cable
[14:33:41] <rue_shop3> it wont boot if the partition is over the 2G limit of the bios
[14:34:04] <Tom_itx> the P166 apparently was new enough to read it but the P100 wasn't
[14:34:06] <rue_shop3> if the boot is on the main drive record and not a partition record it'll work
[14:34:21] <rue_shop3> I used a 200G drive on a P1 just fine
[14:34:33] <Tom_itx> and i fear the P166 is going south
[14:34:46] <Tom_itx> but i can't pinpoint the problem
[14:34:51] <rue_shop3> bios could access the first few sectors to start lilo and then linux took over
[14:35:01] <Tom_itx> sometimes it scans the drives fine and other times it won't see them
[14:35:11] <Tom_itx> maybe a heat related thing
[14:35:17] <Tom_itx> it's sitting right by a cooling vent
[14:35:23] <rue_shop3> the onboard controller might be going, try using a ide pci card
[14:35:37] <rue_shop3> I ahve a board like that somewhere
[14:35:39] <Tom_itx> don't have one
[14:35:45] <rue_shop3> cant use the onboard ide connectors
[14:35:45] <Tom_itx> and this mb has no pci
[14:35:56] <rue_shop3> early board
[14:35:57] <Tom_itx> isa
[14:36:02] <rue_shop3> eisa?
[14:36:04] <Tom_itx> and extended isa
[14:36:21] <rue_shop3> huh, I have a pile of eisa 'everything' cards
[14:36:31] <Tom_itx> wait, maybe it does have a pci slot
[14:36:46] <rue_shop3> iirc my 486 has 2
[14:36:53] <rue_shop3> late 486
[14:37:01] <rue_shop3> it was faster than the pentiums
[14:37:02] <Tom_itx> can you still get those?
[14:37:10] <rue_shop3> the cards?
[14:37:15] <Tom_itx> yeah
[14:37:16] <rue_shop3> you want one from me?
[14:37:23] <rue_shop3> why is the board worth that much?
[14:37:30] <Tom_itx> pci hdd card?
[14:37:46] <Tom_itx> i use it on my business and it's all written in dos
[14:43:37] <rue_shop3> yea
[14:43:50] <rue_shop3> a p4 can run dos too
[14:44:24] <rue_shop3> beleive me, software runs FAST when it all fits in the processor L2 cache and there is no multitaslking
[14:44:51] <rue_shop3> dos boots in less time than it takes to sneese
[14:45:01] * rue_shop3 chases the z
[14:45:06] <Tom_itx> try booting it on a ssd
[14:45:08] <Tom_itx> :D
[15:13:26] <rue_shop3> I just upgraded the mowerbot to run on an CF card
[15:13:34] <rue_shop3> 386
[15:16:47] <Tom_itx> nice
[15:26:54] <Tom_itx> usb boot device?
[15:32:53] <rue_shop3> no cf card is ide
[15:33:02] <rue_shop3> its just an adapter
[15:33:12] <rue_shop3> but it used to boot off a 1.4M 5.25" cloppy
[15:35:47] <Tom_itx> oh
[15:45:11] <rue_shop3> its got about 500x more space for software than it did before
[15:45:15] <rue_shop3> but it dosnt' need it
[15:45:23] <rue_shop3> I just had to make sure I didn't lose the software
[15:45:33] <rue_shop3> ..I should back it up sometime
[15:46:28] <Tom_itx> i'm running out of old drives to back up to
[15:46:36] <Tom_itx> adapters work but still...
[15:46:50] <Tom_itx> i've got some worthless SCSI ones
[16:15:49] <rue_shop3> hahaha I just realized I forgot to powder the tins before I poured the aluminum into them, that'll be a mess
[16:16:02] <rue_shop3> you dont need old drives
[16:16:06] <rue_shop3> really, you dont
[16:16:19] <rue_shop3> just dos will only be able to do a 2G partition on them
[16:16:36] <rue_shop3> that said, I dont know why its not woring
[16:17:26] <rue_shop3> I'd bet your trying to use old drives and their just shot
[16:22:36] <Tom_itx> no
[16:22:55] <Tom_itx> i've got most of it working now
[16:23:13] <Tom_itx> just figuring out the hdd cabeling to make it happy was a trick
[16:23:31] <Tom_itx> i know the drives are good, i can plug them in other pc's and they work
[16:23:38] <Tom_itx> i do know one is going south
[16:23:48] <Tom_itx> and i have isolated it
[16:51:48] <rue_shop3> slways check the SMART info
[16:52:06] <rue_shop3> ANY reallocated sectors and its basically done
[16:52:09] <Tom_itx> how?
[16:52:37] <rue_shop3> under linux smartctl -a /dev/hda (or whatever drive)
[16:52:49] <Tom_itx> i'm not under linux
[16:53:09] <rue_shop3> under windows install a smart program
[16:53:33] <rue_shop3> windows dosn't have any apps that come with it to tell you the drive knows its dieing
[16:54:03] <Tom_itx> are there generic ones to test any brand?
[16:54:05] <rue_shop3> but they map around bad memory without mentioning it too
[16:54:13] <rue_shop3> its all generic
[16:54:36] <Tom_itx> i got em both up and running now
[16:55:01] <Tom_itx> both the P100 and P166, just trying to get shares working on the P100 so i can map a drive to it
[16:55:07] <rue_shop3> good show
[16:55:26] <Tom_itx> at least i have a backup now
[16:56:04] <Tom_itx> i'm not sure how to get 7 to see a new drive on the network
[16:56:23] <Tom_itx> the p100 is a member of workgroup just like the p166 but it's not visible
[16:57:35] <Tom_itx> i've never quite been able to figure out the steps for that, just kept fiddling and it would start working
[16:57:45] <Tom_itx> i'd kinda like to know
[17:07:09] <rue_shop3> drvshr iirc
[17:11:40] <Tom_itx> i have the drive shared but the pc isn't seen on the network
[17:34:15] <rue_shop3> samba takes ages to update
[17:34:21] <rue_shop3> I forget how to force it
[17:34:33] <rue_shop3> it'll update if you reboot
[17:36:02] <Tom_itx> but it didn't
[17:36:12] <Tom_itx> o
[17:36:19] <Tom_itx> i'll give it some time
[17:36:37] <Tom_itx> i don't need that one right now anyway but signs are there that i may soon
[17:37:08] <Tom_itx> the drives are all good on both now but the issue with the P166 not booting once in a while is frustrating
[17:40:30] <rue_shop3> get the manual, it'll tell you the beep code
[17:40:34] <rue_shop3> probably ram
[17:41:13] <Tom_itx> not beeping now
[17:41:18] <Tom_itx> that one never did beep
[17:41:31] <Tom_itx> it was the P100 that was beeping (the spare) but it's ok now
[17:42:03] <Tom_itx> i expected a few issues with the P100 since it's been sitting so long
[17:43:06] <Tom_itx> i'm about tired of fiddling with em today though
[17:43:26] <Tom_itx> i did that toolpost for you just to brush up on catia this morning
[17:43:37] <Tom_itx> it's been a while since i worked in it
[17:46:52] <rue_shop3> you can use a new motherboard
[17:48:03] <rue_shop3> I was gonna make tea, what happened?
[17:49:03] <Tom_itx> once i find a pci parport for one, i'll have a current system that should run it ok
[17:49:20] <Tom_itx> but the software requires 2 parports
[17:49:28] <Tom_itx> and it only has one
[17:49:50] <rue_shop3> I wonder if its possable to make a .inf file to put a parallel port on the ide
[17:49:54] <Tom_itx> dunno if the pci parports would work under dos though
[17:50:05] <rue_shop3> yea
[17:50:10] <rue_shop3> same addreses
[17:50:19] <Tom_itx> i have some old cards but not pci
[17:50:22] <rue_shop3> make sure the motherboard has pnp bios
[17:50:25] <Tom_itx> that have jumpers
[17:50:30] <rue_shop3> well use the isa cards theb
[17:50:38] <Tom_itx> no isa slots in it
[17:50:50] <rue_shop3> back to ide
[17:51:01] <rue_shop3> good reason to etch a board
[17:51:11] <Tom_itx> not me
[17:51:13] <rue_shop3> iirc a 74244 and two 373
[17:54:14] <Tom_itx> have any quantum hdd?
[17:54:24] <Tom_itx> this old one i pulled outta the p100 was
[17:54:37] <rue_shop3> hmm
[17:54:47] <rue_shop3> probably did
[17:55:00] <Tom_itx> doesn't even say how big it is
[17:55:03] <rue_shop3> I have lots of brands kicking around that don't exist anymore
[17:55:08] <Tom_itx> quantum firball
[17:55:12] <rue_shop3> na, its encoded in the part number
[17:55:21] <rue_shop3> erkg, fireball
[17:55:29] <rue_shop3> iirc those died a lot
[17:55:34] <Tom_itx> i'll test it later
[17:55:39] <Tom_itx> it was ok when i boxed up the pc
[17:56:25] <rue_shop3> there is one brand that die for sure when left sitting
[17:56:31] <rue_shop3> magnetics die
[17:56:38] <rue_shop3> I think its western digital
[17:57:13] <rue_shop3> float jogHeight; // absolute
[17:57:13] <rue_shop3> float speed; // machine units
[17:57:13] <rue_shop3> float startHeight; // where the feedrate starts
[17:57:13] <rue_shop3> float feedRate; // fer the drillin ya know
[17:57:13] <rue_shop3> float peckDepth; // if this is greater than the finish depth, its a one-pass drill
[17:57:13] <rue_shop3> float peckPulloutDist; // this value is trimmed to the start height
[17:57:15] <rue_shop3> float pulloutSpeed; // all reverse ops
[17:57:17] <Tom_itx> at least this damn pp card has the jumper settings on the board mask
[17:57:17] <rue_shop3> float finishDepth; // where to stop
[17:57:19] <rue_shop3> float finishDwell; // how long to pause before pulling off of bottom of the hole.
[17:57:23] <rue_shop3> ok, here goes...
[17:57:41] <Tom_itx> how far along are you on your gcode?
[17:58:03] <rue_shop3> thats all I'v written sofar
[17:58:15] <rue_shop3> but I'v cracked my knuckles twice, so I must be serious
[18:00:24] <rue_shop3> is there a dwell gcode?
[18:02:26] <Tom_itx> umm yes
[18:02:29] <Tom_itx> iirc
[18:03:22] <Tom_itx> G4
[18:03:37] <Tom_itx> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.7/html/gcode/g-code.html#gcode:g4
[18:08:39] <rue_shop3> ok\
[18:08:42] <rue_shop3> that'll help
[18:12:00] <rue_shop3> oh I was making tea
[18:12:04] <rue_shop3> oh and the mowerbot it going
[18:17:19] <Tom_itx> they're all listed there
[18:17:28] <Tom_itx> with good examples where necessary
[18:34:10] <Tom_itx> you don't need peckpulloutspeed
[18:34:19] <Tom_itx> or pulloutspeed
[18:34:41] <Tom_itx> they are either functions of your rapid rate or your current feedrate set with the F word
[18:34:59] <Tom_itx> so define those first and use them instead
[18:36:39] <rue_shop3> I'm using it with GRBL, so anything more than goto xy needs to be done manually
[18:38:02] <Tom_itx> haven't looked at that
[18:38:26] <Tom_itx> but even goto xy has a feedrate associated with it
[18:38:58] <rue_shop3> yea
[18:39:03] <rue_shop3> and grbl can do that
[18:39:14] <rue_shop3> it cant do anything fancy tho
[18:39:26] <Tom_itx> no but the rates are set up for you already
[18:39:30] <Tom_itx> you may need to find them
[18:40:06] <Tom_itx> you generally don't specify a feedrate with a canned cycle
[18:40:13] <rue_shop3> I'm still working on code structure to write this
[18:40:30] <rue_shop3> this first step is a mountian
[18:40:42] <rue_shop3> I dont have a gui to use
[18:40:58] <rue_shop3> so I get to somehow make a basic text-console CAM processor
[18:41:43] <Tom_itx> https://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=823374
[18:42:51] <rue_shop3> its not secure enough for my browser to let me see }:/
[18:43:09] <Tom_itx> i can put it on mine
[18:43:30] <rue_shop3> no problem for wget
[18:44:45] <Tom_itx> look at modal groups on P28. That will tell you what commands cancel out others and which ones are persistent and which ones aren't
[18:44:47] <rue_shop3> is this from the National Insanely Sensitive Technologies?
[18:45:08] <rue_shop3> your seriously overestimating grbl
[18:46:03] <Tom_itx> isn't that what reprappers all based their code on?
[18:46:10] <rue_shop3> yup
[18:46:14] <rue_shop3> and grbl is pretty bad
[18:46:20] <rue_shop3> so, you can imagine
[18:46:21] <Tom_itx> it's just a subset of what i just gave you
[18:46:29] <rue_shop3> yea
[18:46:43] <Tom_itx> why not look at the gcode stuff for linuxcnc?
[18:46:50] <Tom_itx> you could pull out what you want
[18:46:59] <rue_shop3> because Idont ahve the $8000 card to make linuxcnc work
[18:47:00] <Tom_itx> and most of that hasn't changed much
[18:47:13] <Tom_itx> you don't need any card to make it work sir
[18:47:16] <rue_shop3> I have a grbl machine going, I'm gonna start with that
[18:47:30] <Tom_itx> you can configure a parallel port to run a simple cnc machine easy
[18:47:30] <rue_shop3> besides, I have to get better hardware going
[18:48:08] <rue_shop3> I'm not confident a machine running linux can do the microoperations as well as a dedicated avr
[18:48:13] <Tom_itx> those cards don't cost that much with respect to what they do
[18:48:14] <rue_shop3> (stepping as such)
[18:48:29] <rue_shop3> the machine is making me $0, everything is expense
[18:48:34] <Tom_itx> probably not microstepping
[18:48:45] <rue_shop3> the arduino uno was $2, grbl was free
[18:49:40] <rue_shop3> they have xyz abc, but what is used for spindle positioning?
[18:49:52] <Tom_itx> Z
[18:50:00] <Tom_itx> up and down
[18:50:26] <Tom_itx> x is left and right, y is front to back, ABC are rotary axis associated with the xyz planes
[18:50:33] <Tom_itx> usually
[18:50:42] <rue_shop3> no for rotary position control of the spindle>?
[18:50:52] <rue_shop3> isn't that part of the threading
[18:51:02] <Tom_itx> oh, syncronous motion?
[18:51:22] <Tom_itx> i set that up on mine and it works rather fabulous for what it is
[18:56:00] <Tom_itx> i wish you'd spend a little time setting it up to see. even on a parallel port
[19:10:52] <Tom_itx> do old video cards use int 5 or 7?
[19:23:30] <Tom_itx> nm.. the mb was set to an odd address
[19:26:51] <Tom_itx> ok the printer ports are set the same for both pc's now
[19:27:07] <Tom_itx> i stole one from the p166 not being used and added it to the p100
[19:27:29] <Tom_itx> incidentally, the sound card in it has an ide port :D
[20:19:51] <Tom_itx> apparently the ether adapter wasn't configured
[21:24:55] <Tom_itx> man this is taking baby steps to get all fixed
[21:25:13] <Tom_itx> ether is working, now to get sharing recognized on win7
[22:28:01] * katsmeow knocks on Tom's screen
[22:37:47] <Tom_itx> hi
[22:39:12] <katsmeow> hi, can you mill-drill some holes in a pattern, and tap them on the mill?
[22:39:20] <katsmeow> in 3/16 alum?
[22:39:26] <katsmeow> 6-32
[22:39:46] <katsmeow> caution: fins on the other side (heatsink)
[22:40:46] <Tom_itx> i could have but it's in pieces atm
[22:41:20] <Tom_itx> got a pic?
[22:41:30] <Tom_itx> or do i need to have the heatsink myself
[22:42:50] <katsmeow> i have 4 of th eh sinks
[22:43:44] <katsmeow> the mounting surface is 2x4 inches and 3/16 thick, and the fins are tight together and ~3/4 tall on the backside
[22:44:20] <katsmeow> pic is at
http://www.ebay.com/itm/230966046827
[22:44:38] <katsmeow> i wanna mount 16 to-220 on it
[22:45:04] <Tom_itx> ahh i see
[22:45:54] <katsmeow> with 16 transistors, where the mount holes are, matters
[22:46:10] <Tom_itx> yeah it would
[22:47:07] <Tom_itx> i think this quantum drive is dead or dying
[22:47:08] <katsmeow> plus, it's 16 holes for screws, and there's 4 sinks, making 64 drill-tap operations , which will be tiresome for me, but easy for your cad mill to position properly and perform?
[22:48:01] <Tom_itx> it could if it were working yes
[22:48:25] <Tom_itx> i've taken the pc apart on it to use temporarily for something
[22:48:32] <katsmeow> o
[22:48:52] <Tom_itx> it should go back together since i didn't disturb the hdd
[22:49:19] <katsmeow> well, maybe next time, i spose
[22:49:35] <Tom_itx> you're getting 4 of those?
[22:50:30] <Tom_itx> ahh 16 per heatsink... my mind is fuzzy tonight
[22:51:40] <katsmeow> 4 heatsinks, 16 trans per sink
[22:51:55] <Tom_itx> do you know the pattern you want?
[22:52:03] <katsmeow> yeas
[22:52:08] <Tom_itx> plus mounting holes for the heatsinks
[22:52:11] <Tom_itx> or are there?
[22:52:42] <katsmeow> i was gonna mount them to fr4 with sheet metal screws into the fins
[22:53:19] <katsmeow> it's not precise, but it's easy and cheap, and frees up the entire flat surface
[22:55:45] <Tom_itx> those are ~4" long?
[22:56:36] <Tom_itx> This seller is currently away until Aug 11, 2016
[22:56:46] <katsmeow> 3 & 15/16 by ruler ......
[22:57:17] <Tom_itx> mmm you must have them already
[22:58:03] <katsmeow> and the dial caliper battery is dead
[22:58:31] <katsmeow> oh, 1.5 wide, not 2
[22:58:53] <katsmeow> for 2 weeks i have been thinking of pairs of sinks, not one sink
[22:59:17] <Tom_itx> how far apart are the fins?
[22:59:32] <katsmeow> metrically, it is 10 cm long, 4cm wide, 20cm thick
[22:59:55] <katsmeow> you mean gap space between the fins?
[23:00:12] <Tom_itx> nm i figured it out already
[23:00:20] <katsmeow> 2mm
[23:00:37] <Tom_itx> and the base is how thick?
[23:00:50] <katsmeow> 4mm
[23:01:18] <katsmeow> once thru the 4mm, you'll be into the fins
[23:02:01] <katsmeow> as you realise, dangerous to bits and taps
[23:02:27] <katsmeow> i can load on some to-220 and take a pic if you like
[23:02:42] <Tom_itx> i gotta sleep now but maybe later
[23:03:07] <Tom_itx> you know the numbers where you want them mounted you said. that's goodnuf for me
[23:03:10] <katsmeow> can i do it now and you look at it whenever you want?
[23:03:22] <Tom_itx> if you want
[23:03:50] <katsmeow> i didn't make a drafting / drill plan, i figured one ref point, then step 1/2 inch and repeat
[23:04:11] <katsmeow> is that the wrong way to do it?
[23:05:06] <katsmeow> if cannot do it that way, then i wanna group them somewhat
[23:10:00] <katsmeow> http://DesignerThinking.com/images/IMG_3278m.jpg
[23:40:13] * katsmeow wavers gnites
