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[00:06:20] <rue_house> damnit
[00:06:27] <rue_house> the whole freaking lot I bought
[00:07:00] <rue_house> of what should have been 'orange punch' (orange flavored sugar) was swapped for 'orange juice' (cheap horrible stuff too)
[00:07:26] <rue_house> i HATE it when supermarkets swap where similar products are too get rid of something
[00:08:29] <katsmeow> flavored sugar is bad for you
[00:08:53] <katsmeow> why did you buy the wrong box of stuff, you didn't read it when you grabbed it off the shelf?
[00:09:08] <rue_house> no, its always been the same product int eh same place
[00:09:20] <rue_house> this is the same colour, same picture, different product
[00:09:34] <rue_house> and I dont freaking care if its bad for me, its what I want
[00:09:54] <rue_house> grrrr
[00:10:18] <rue_house> and where are my reminders from kat to finish her digits?
[00:10:41] <katsmeow> ok, Fastenal sells orange flavored sugar in the same plastic pouch as home depot sells fire ant killer
[00:11:02] <rue_house> but its not swapped in the same place in the same store
[00:11:05] <katsmeow> sorry, i got no reminders from zlog to send them
[00:11:23] <rue_house> I got my 150pcs asorted 10 turn pots
[00:11:31] <rue_house> all sorted on my desk making me happy
[00:12:56] <rue_house> it bothers me because a) supermarkets like to get rid of things I eat b) tey like to get rid of the sugar based juices, c) they like to swap similar lookiong products on me
[00:15:22] <katsmeow> have you tried real oj, with pulp, unfiltered, unreconstituted ? it's very sweet
[00:16:24] <rue_shop3> its horrid cheap oj
[00:16:35] <rue_shop3> concentrate
[00:16:38] <__m00n__> POINK
[00:16:47] <rue_shop3> the moon is up
[00:16:57] <__m00n__> yes sir
[00:17:07] <__m00n__> almost got my engine back in the stang
[00:17:44] <rue_house> you missed by a few feet tho?
[00:17:49] <__m00n__> :P
[00:18:02] <rue_house> we ned to get your phone working
[00:18:11] <__m00n__> oh yeah I got some time now
[00:18:19] <rue_house> not much here
[00:18:27] <__m00n__> :|
[00:18:27] <rue_house> 9:45 is bedtime and supper is almost ready
[00:18:36] <__m00n__> :O
[00:18:47] <rue_house> hey, I got some chinese electronic kits,
[00:18:54] <rue_house> put one togethor last night
[00:19:03] <__m00n__> and
[00:19:38] <rue_house> hows the plumbing?
[00:19:43] <rue_house> got the sand out?
[00:19:46] <__m00n__> all good now
[00:19:54] <__m00n__> and yes I think
[00:19:54] <katsmeow> what flavor engine?
[00:20:03] <__m00n__> 351 Windsor
[00:20:10] <katsmeow> cool
[00:20:38] <katsmeow> i priced one here last week: $650 with 75,000 miles on it
[00:20:49] <katsmeow> carb'd, running
[00:20:58] <__m00n__> Nice
[00:21:07] <__m00n__> mines carb now too
[00:21:31] <katsmeow> why a carb and not injectors?
[00:21:46] <__m00n__> I know how to work with a carb
[00:22:03] <__m00n__> :P more or less
[00:22:39] <katsmeow> less chance you need to work on anything with an injectr/throttlebody
[00:22:47] <katsmeow> and possibly more hp
[00:23:09] <__m00n__> I was thinking my next build might be fuel injection
[00:23:33] <__m00n__> I like tose aftermarket systems they look siple enough
[00:23:44] <__m00n__> simple*
[00:24:12] <katsmeow> rue, does writing the $MFT on a drive in triplicate use any drive space?
[00:24:58] <rue_house> kat, its not an efficient filesystem
[00:25:12] <__m00n__> fat?
[00:25:28] <rue_house> even by other names
[00:25:55] <katsmeow> i asked a simple question so i could copy/paste a simpe anser to another channel
[00:26:32] <katsmeow> http://DesignerThinking.com/ry/DSCF6769m.jpg <<== i am saying the size difference AFTER FORMATTING is due to space being taken up by the formatting
[00:26:42] <katsmeow> rue, does writing the $MFT on a drive in triplicate use any drive space?
[00:27:00] <rue_house> they reserve space, there are number type incompaibilities, etc
[00:29:17] <rue_house> you always have to know what base they are expressing the numbers in
[00:29:43] <katsmeow> if you write a fucking huge $MFT to the drive, in 3 places, you are saying that takes up no space, and i find that to be nuts
[00:29:51] <katsmeow> goddamnit, i am unable to communicate in 3 channels, ervy one is going into circles and ignoring whole sentences i say
[00:30:26] <katsmeow> it's a smaller reported size after formatting, no matter what the units used
[00:30:52] <katsmeow> AND it';s writing the MFT that's uing the space, so how is writing the MFT not using any space????
[00:31:08] <rue_house> dont know if anyone knows the details
[00:32:10] <katsmeow> after 40 yrs of using hdds, no one knows if writing a Master File Table (aka a FAT + SAT) uses aby space on the platers??
[00:33:44] <rue_house> I dont knwo how they count the available filesystem space
[00:34:17] <katsmeow> does not anser my question
[00:34:36] <rue_house> yea, I gave up on all the m$ crap, remember?
[00:34:59] <katsmeow> so nix uses no space on the platters for file data?
[00:35:16] <rue_house> hmm
[00:35:25] <rue_house> I'v never bothered to check
[00:37:08] <rue_house> hmm I wonder how I get a breakdown
[00:37:38] <__m00n__> *nix does
[00:38:03] <katsmeow> i wonder how i get a actual answer
[00:38:11] <__m00n__> but you can choose how many 'inodes per block'
[00:38:17] <__m00n__> whatever that means
[00:38:38] <__m00n__> real answer, never going to happen
[00:40:01] <katsmeow> so, [00:06] <katsmeow> after 40 yrs of using hdds, no one knows if writing a Master File Table (aka a FAT + SAT) uses aby space on the platers??
[00:42:31] <rue_house> kat, I'm supposed to tell you that the brain cant be copied in the same was as the story about the evolved fpga software
[00:43:21] <katsmeow> who said you are supposed to tell me that?
[00:57:01] <katsmeow-afk> who said you are supposed to tell me that?
[00:57:29] <rue_house> I'm sure that the info for a linux file system is under /proc/ somewhere
[01:01:09] <rue_house> oh me
[01:13:11] <katsmeow-afk> <ding> you have email </bat>
[01:19:11] <__m00n__> SLEEP
[01:19:27] <katsmeow> PISSED
[01:19:41] <rue_house> sorry, dozed off, going to bed!
[01:20:44] <katsmeow> not reading the email ?
[01:20:51] <katsmeow> so glad i sent it
[01:24:41] <rue_house> reading!...
[01:33:05] <rue_house> I can read but I cant understand
[06:48:43] <Tom_itx> http://www.pcguide.com/ref/hdd/file/ntfs/archMFT-c.html
[06:48:50] <Tom_itx> kat, depends on the size of the file
[06:49:54] <Tom_itx> but the short answer is yes it does.
[06:49:56] <Tom_itx> when an NTFS volume is first set up, the operating system reserves about 12.5% of the disk space immediately following the MFT; this is sometimes called the "MFT Zone". This is a substantial chunk of real estate to reserve, but bear in mind that it is still usable.
[06:52:24] <Tom_itx> http://www.ufsexplorer.com/und_fs.php
[22:51:49] <rue_house> zhanx,
[22:52:07] <zhanx> Yes
[22:52:14] <rue_house> software
[22:53:11] <rue_house> there is like 4 peices of software there, I'm sure not all of it is usefull toya
[22:58:29] * katsmeow looks around quietly
[22:59:24] <Tom_itx> kat did you try aomei?
[22:59:31] <rue_house> zhanx,
[22:59:35] <katsmeow> no, i have not
[22:59:48] <rue_house> ok I hav a bad neutral or somthin
[22:59:49] <katsmeow> iirc, i still have it open in the browser tho
[23:00:01] <rue_house> ups test comming up in a min, if I go bye, you know why
[23:00:19] <katsmeow> i been busy , and rather in shock, Tom
[23:00:26] <Tom_itx> well if i go bye, it's sleep time :D
[23:00:34] <katsmeow> more good news than bad, and all in <2 weeks
[23:00:55] <Tom_itx> take it and run with it
[23:01:24] <katsmeow> am, going to schedule an appt to extend it asap
[23:12:34] <katsmeow> :-(
[23:13:33] <Tom_itx> he never stays long
[23:13:44] <katsmeow> oh
[23:14:05] <Tom_itx> i'm liking this new monitor setup
[23:14:29] <katsmeow> so i went to get new steel for covering the roof, and swung by the local Ford place to ask how much they charge to check and add transmission fluid
[23:14:41] <Tom_itx> but when this pc sleeps, it switches to the other pc is the only issue
[23:15:13] <katsmeow> i said i had 30 min to kill while waiting ont he bank to open, they said too busy, i asked when , they said come back at 2pm, i said ok and parted
[23:16:44] <katsmeow> so i made my steel run, and returned at 2pm, they cold not open the tranny port meant to check and add fluids, and after much consideration, jury rigged a means to add it via the drain plug at the bottom
[23:16:54] <katsmeow> price meantioned had been $19
[23:17:21] <Tom_itx> manual?
[23:17:27] <katsmeow> price for the tranny fluid elsewhere had been $20/qt, they drained about 1 qt and added lil over 5 qts
[23:17:42] <katsmeow> 5-speed
[23:18:06] <Tom_itx> doesn't have a side plug?
[23:18:10] <katsmeow> old fluid eas dark and smelled burned, but no metals drained out
[23:18:16] <katsmeow> no side plugs
[23:18:32] <katsmeow> first edition ford made by Mitsubichi in Japan
[23:19:41] <katsmeow> so they buttoned her back up and backed her off the lift and said wer'e done, i asked abot paying, they notced the intake guy never made a ticket for the service, so said it was free
[23:20:14] <Tom_itx> nice
[23:20:26] <Tom_itx> i bet you almost smiled
[23:20:30] <katsmeow> while i was gasping, i asked about cost to replace the one front axle, since i already have the axle, and they said $189, any time i want
[23:20:34] <katsmeow> i was freaked, Tom
[23:21:01] <Tom_itx> 4wd?
[23:21:09] <katsmeow> It's a reasonable price, but i had been quoted some $600+ before
[23:21:15] <katsmeow> front-wheel drive
[23:21:27] <katsmeow> '89 Ford Probe
[23:21:46] <Tom_itx> ahh ok. somehow i pictured a pickup
[23:22:13] <katsmeow> transmission immediately works and sound better, tranny fluid is cheap normal fluids, not $20 rare special item
[23:23:48] <katsmeow> i replaced that axle before, some 12 yrs ago, and am in not-as-good condition myself as i was then, it's rather worth it to pay them to do it for that price
[23:24:22] <Tom_itx> i'm realizing that myself
[23:25:36] <katsmeow> well, they have youth for the grunt work and age for expereince, and a very important too: a lift to put the car just where needed
[23:26:55] <katsmeow> like i said at HomeDepot, regardless of being disabled, i am going to be 60 yrs old this yr, i and figure i don't wanna lift the 80lbs bags of concrete any more
[23:27:11] <katsmeow> so i got the 60lbs bags
[23:27:17] <Tom_itx> heh
[23:27:35] <Tom_itx> i'm gonna go sleep a while i think
[23:27:41] <Tom_itx> got an early day tomorrow
[23:28:15] <Tom_itx> glad things went good for a change...
[23:28:34] <katsmeow> got a better than average price ont he steel today too
[23:29:09] <katsmeow> which iw as getting because i was told last week at DA's office that i can do according to my land title, regardless of the gods barking
[23:29:20] <katsmeow> i was freaked
[23:29:26] <katsmeow> am freaked
[23:29:34] <katsmeow> prolly will remain freaked for a whi;e
[23:32:38] <katsmeow> so the steel is to frame to cover the roof
[23:32:56] <katsmeow> himoon
[23:33:17] <__m00n__> hey cat
[23:35:10] * katsmeow loks at rue's neutrally and wonders what's happening
